MY DEAR SIR,

Since I received your last letter I have been unexpectedly called from

home, besides having had friends staying with me, which have prevented

me from writing sooner. I have been twice to Bath and once to

Cheltenham, and have also been as far as Devonshire, to the old Abbey

which Mr. Bentham[69] at present inhabits. I accompanied M. Say, the

author of Economie Politique, on a visit to him and Mr. Mill[70];--and,

had it not been for the incessant rain, we should have had a very

pleasant excursion. M. Say came to me here from London at the request of

Mr. Mill, who wished us to be acquainted with each other. He intends

seeing you before he quits this country. He does not appear to me to be

ready in conversation on the subject on which he has very ably

written,--and indeed in his book there are many points which I think are

very far from being satisfactorily established,--yet he is an unaffected

agreeable man, and I found him an instructive companion.

We intend to be in London in the middle of January, and have little

doubt that we shall return here quite time enough to receive a visit

from Mrs. Malthus and you next summer vacation, so I trust you will not

project an excursion to any other quarter.

I perceive that we are not nearly agreed on the subject which we have

been lately discussing. I have been endeavouring to get you to admit

that the profits on stock employed in manufactures and commerce are

seldom permanently lowered or raised by any other cause than by the

cheapness or dearness of necessaries, or of those objects on which the

wages of labour are expended. Accumulation of capital has a tendency to

lower profits. Why? because every accumulation is attended with

increased difficulty in obtaining food, unless it is accompanied with

improvements in agriculture; in which case it has no tendency to

diminish profits. If there were no increased difficulty, profits would

never fall, because there are no other limits to the profitable

production of manufactures but the rise of wages. If with every

accumulation of capital we could tack a piece of fresh fertile land to

our Island, profits would never fall. I admit at the same time that

commerce, or machinery, may produce an abundance and cheapness of

commodities, and if they affect the prices of those commodities on which

the wages of labour are expended they will so far raise profits:--but

then it will be true that less capital will be employed on the land, for

the wages paid for labour form a part of that capital. A diminution of

the proportion of produce, in consequence of the accumulation of

capital, does not fall wholly on the owner of stock, but is shared with

him by the labourers. The whole amount of wages paid will be greater,

but the portion paid to each man will in all probability be somewhat

diminished.

I do not recollect ever having allowed that an extension of foreign

commerce will take capital from the land, unless we were an exporting

country as far as regards corn, in which case my proposition would be

true, namely that the rate of profits can never permanently rise unless

capital be withdrawn from the land. I am not sanguine about the

principle, if true, being of any use; but that is another

consideration;--its utility has nothing to do with its truth, and it is

the latter only which I am at present anxious to establish. I cannot

agree with you when you say that 'without supposing capital to be taken

from the land the throwing of new objects of desire into the market will

increase the value of the whole mass of commodities in the country,

estimated either in money, or in corn and labour,'--and it is because I

think that there will not be a greater value of commodities to be

exchanged for the raw produce, or for money, that I conclude no

increased profits will anywhere be made. If the mass of commodities be

increased we diminish their exchangeable value as compared with those

things whose quantity is not augmented. If we double the quantity, or

rather double the facility of making stockings, we diminish their value

one half, as compared with _all_ other commodities. If we do the same

with regard to hats and shoes, we restore the accustomed relations

between stockings, hats, and shoes, but not with respect to other

things. It is here, I think, that our difference rests, and I hope soon

to hear all that you have to advance in favour of your view of the

question.

M. Say, in the new edition of his book, p. 99, vol. i, supports, I

think, the very [same] doctrine that demand is regulated by production.

Demand [is] always an exchange of one commodity for another. The

shoemaker when he exchanges his shoes for bread has an effective demand

for bread, as well as the baker has an effective demand for shoes,--and,

although it is clear that the shoemaker's demand for bread must be

limited by his wants, yet whilst he has shoes to offer in exchange he

will have an effective demand for other things,--and if his shoes are

not in demand it shows that he has not been governed by the just

principles of trade, and that he has not used his capital and his labour

in the manufacture of the commodity required by the society,--more

caution will enable him to correct his error in his future production.

Accumulation necessarily increases production and as necessarily

increases consumption. Accumulation of _produce_, if properly selected,

_may_ always be accumulation of _capital_, and it cannot fail to be

worth more than it cost, estimated in corn or labour,--and this I think

would be true although all our soldiers, sailors, and menial servants

were employed in productive labour. It appears to me that the

consideration of money value may be the foundation of our difference on

this point.

I must leave room for a request which I hope you will not refuse. I

dined a little while ago at Mr. Smith's, whom I first met at your house.

Mrs. Smith told me that she had a collection of the handwriting of a

great number of men who had distinguished themselves by their writings,

and she wished that I would give her a letter of yours to add to her

collection. Knowing that I had many which would not discredit you, I

assented; but after I came home I thought I had no right to do it

without your consent--which I hope you will not refuse. I should be

sorry to disappoint her, and should really cut a poor figure in making

my apologies if I did; yet, as my opinion, that I should not do it

without your consent, is confirmed by Mrs. Ricardo, I must falter out

my excuses if you are inexorable. With kind regards to Mrs. Malthus,

I am, ever yours truly,

DAVID RICARDO.

NOTE.--Of Ricardo, Bentham used to say: 'I was the spiritual father

of Mill, and Mill was the spiritual father of Ricardo; so that

Ricardo was my spiritual grandson. I was often _tete a tete_ with

Ricardo. He would borrow a sixpenny book instead of buying it. There

was an _epanchement_ between us. We used to walk together in Hyde

Park, and he reported to me what passed in the House of Commons. He

had several times intended to quote the 'Fragment'; but his courage

failed him as he told me. In Ricardo's book on rent there is a want

of logic. I wanted him to correct it on these principles; but he was

not conscious of it, and Mill was not desirous. He confounded _cost_

with _value_. Considering our intercourse it was natural he should

give me a copy of his book;--the devil a bit!' (Life by Bowring in

Works, vol. x. p. 498.) Then follows a letter to Ricardo, in which

Bentham compliments him on his political progress: 'I told Burdett

you had got down to _trienniality_, and were wavering between that

and annuality, where I could not help flattering myself you would

fix,--also, in respect of extent, down to _householders_, for which,

though I should prefer universality on account of its simplicity and

unexclusiveness, I myself should be glad to compound.' The

suggestion of stinginess made by Bentham in the passage quoted is

sufficiently rebutted by Bentham's own biographer, who tells us

Ricardo was one of those who guaranteed the funds for Bentham's

Chrestomathic School (Bentham, Works, x. p. 484), and by James Mill

(Biography, p. 191), when he speaks of Ricardo's unwillingness to

accept payment for his article (Sinking Fund) in the Encyclopaedia

Britannica on the grounds that, first, it was not worth payment,

second, payment was no part of his inducement to write it.

The influence of Bentham on Ricardo's general ways of thinking is

discussed elsewhere. In economical theory (if we judge Bentham by

his 'Manual of Political Economy,' which was written some years

before this time, though not published in England till long

afterwards) there was no more than a general agreement between the

two men.

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