In the interview of that evening Stanley was absolutely great. There

were twenty-three reporters present, picked men of the great newspapers

of New York, Philadelphia, Boston, and Chicago. One of the best-known

men, Mr. Balch, was chosen to direct the questions. My rooms were

packed. The men were all keen set and full of the historical

significance, too, of their opportunity. Stanley seated himself,

smiling, and for three hours submitted to an intellectual ordeal which

was simply astounding. The interviewers, with ample time to look up the

issues, were prepared with keen questions, and, as he answered, others

were called out on every side. Balch, an able man, declared it was a

wonderful exhibition of knowledge and will power. “Stanley,” he said,

“was the best witness I ever saw. He was armed at all points, and

answered without a moment’s hesitancy, never once crossing himself in

the slightest degree.”

During the latter part of the scene various gentlemen who had come to

call on Mr. Stanley, among them Charles A. Dana and Murat Halstead,

stood in the open hallway of my office, listening to the remarkable

proceeding, and admiring the skill and power of the man who sat there

with lighted eyes, animated features, and a live brain that burned

through every movement and lighted up every word he uttered.

The first Stanley lecture in New York in 1890 was a remarkable event.

The interest was made greatly more active by publication on Friday, the

7th of November, of the remarkable series of interviews of which mention

has been made. But no one anticipated its tremendous character. The

gross receipts were $17,800. Such a jam never was known before, and the

carriage crush about the building was almost beyond police control. The

lecture originally announced was “The Relief of Emin Pasha.” At Mrs.

Stanley’s suggestion, “The March through the Forest” was chosen, which

brought in the story of the pygmies and other remarkable discoveries

made.

The tour that followed this entrée was like the march of a triumphal

hero. Our evenings after the lecture were delightful, and the daily

intercourse so long continued was personally maintained without a jar or

break of any sort. I found Mr. Stanley not only strictly honorable in

business matters, but generous also. When for a brief period business

was bad, he showed a marked disposition to make matters more even,

though there was no necessity whatever, taking the tour as a whole, to

make any change in the agreement made in London. Perhaps the most

striking feature of the engagement was, so far as concerns Mr. Stanley,

the remarkable fidelity that he gave to the work he had undertaken. He

was constantly remoulding, polishing, and improving the lectures during

the tour.

Stanley is one of the most conscientious men I ever knew. While in

Boston, after we had been about a week on the tour, the weather was fine

and there was beautiful sleighing. Mrs. Stanley and the ladies of our

party had come in from a delightful sleigh ride which some friends had

tendered. They all looked so rosy and fresh, beaming with delight as

they stepped from the sleigh, that we agreed then and there that Mr.

Stanley really should lay aside his writing and take a sleigh ride too,

behind that spanking four-horse team, and hear the jingle of the

hundreds of sleigh bells. I said, “He must come and enjoy it.” Mrs.

Stanley said, “Let’s you and I go fetch him.”

We rushed up to his room; he was working on his lecture, making some

changes, when Mrs. Stanley, with cheeks like roses and charged with

oxygen of the outdoor atmosphere, threw her fur-clad arms about his

neck, saying: “O, Bulle-me-tal-ie (the name he is known by in Africa),

come and have a ride and breathe the most delicious air under heaven. Do

come; it will do you so much good and help you for to-night.”

After listening to Mrs. Stanley’s eloquent pleadings a moment or two, he

rose from his seat and said to me:

“Major Pond, you are paying me a fabulous sum for my nightly services.

Now it is my duty to do the best I can. If you say you are satisfied

with my work as it now is, I will stop and go for a drive.”

I could not answer his argument, and he did not take the sleigh ride.

From the start until the finish, one hundred and ten lectures, Stanley

showed signs of steady improvement. He was good at the start, but

shortly became a fine speaker and then a better speaker, and before he

had finished he was the best descriptive speaker I ever heard. He had

overcome difficulties that would discourage any other man; as Casati

wrote of him (Casati, ten years with Emin Pasha in Africa): “Jealous of

his own authority, Stanley will not tolerate interference, neither will

he take the advice of any one. Difficulties do not discourage him,

neither does failure frighten him, as with extraordinary celerity of

perception he finds his way out of every embarrassment.”

Henry M. Stanley was never fond of company. He appreciates friends, and

those who know him intimately are very fond of him. He is generally

cautious and sparing of words, especially when strangers are about.

Receptions and dinners worry him, as he cannot bear being on exhibition

under showers of forced compliments. His manners and habits are those of

a gentleman. He shows great fondness for children, especially young

lads, who often approach him for his autograph. He will enter into

conversation with them and question them as to their purposes in life,

advising them as to the importance of honesty and character as essential

to success in life, and generally concluding with some incident in his

experience that is sure to make a lasting impression. In our private

car, where we lived for three months, were Mr. and Mrs. Stanley, Mrs.

Tennant, Mrs. Pond and her sister, and often some visiting friends.

Stanley would entertain us night after night with incidents of his

wonderful experience that would make a far more interesting book than he

has yet written. His best sayings have been spoken in private. Mrs.

Stanley, being a brilliant conversationalist, had the happy faculty of

bringing out his most interesting points.

Stanley is one of the best-read men I have ever met. He is familiar with

the histories of all civilized and uncivilized peoples. As a journalist

he is appreciated by reporters and interviewers more highly than any man

I ever knew except Mr. Beecher. Never did he refuse to see a

representative of the press who sent up his card. If busy, he would say:

“Please make my compliments to the gentleman and say that as soon as I

am disengaged I will be pleased to see him.”

Altogether, I have never parted with a client with greater regret, or

found one holding me in bonds of friendship and respect to so great a

degree. Sir Henry Stanley does me the honor to regard me as a friend,

and I am constantly indebted to him, and to Lady Stanley also, for

delightful correspondence. Some extracts from the many letters in my

possession will illustrate the value of the views expressed and the

soundness of a judgment which has been almost wholly verified by events.

I present without apology the extracts which follow.

A capital letter from the Richmond Terrace (London) home, under date of

October 2, 1892, is of interest because of its description of

electioneering in England:

* * * * *

“I am pledged,” he writes, “to many things in the coming time--the

contest at North Lambeth again, Bible Society, Missionary and

anti-Slavery meetings, keeping up the Uganda question before the public,

stimulating and comforting the Directors, and trivial things of this

kind. They absorb time and keep a man from stagnating, and perhaps a

modicum of good is extracted from the whole.

“As regards the election, I fear on your side they do not understand

anything about it. I sometimes see the cablegrams sent over from here,

and I do not wonder that you are all misled. I was asked at the last

moment to stand; there were only nine clear days for work and to get

made known among 7,300 electors, to get offices, posters, pamphlets, and

canvassers, and that entailed an amount of work that was appalling. My

opponent had been at work three years, nursing the constituency; I had

only nine days. The results were that I was defeated by 130. Of course,

the usual lying was resorted to. They can lie here with as much

disregard to future torments as in New York, and they have introduced

largely pernicious systems from America, which I know the Americans

would gladly extinguish if they knew how. Added to these, the lower

classes have something which is peculiarly their own: a noisy, brutal

disposition which must relieve itself by pounding or breaking something,

while the intolerance they display toward their opponents is wholly

unknown in America. When this temper is at the hottest, women go down

before the brawny fist like sheep in the shambles, and bald heads often

get seriously cracked. I used to think that England was a country of

order and that only at Donnybrook would you meet with such scenes as I

have witnessed. There is no attempt at order, there is no policeman

present to preserve it. Only might is respected--clubs and arms. The

doors are thrown open to all--the radical candidate seeks for a strong

force of roughs by whom, when the Unionist presents himself, he is

greeted with a continuous uproar. If he persists in speaking, the mob

advances and ‘_ware_’ heads then. This, in short, is politics at its

worst over here, but homicide is much rarer than with you.”

* * * * *

A London letter of May 31, 1894, gives a still more vividly interesting

account of electioneering methods. Mr. Stanley writes:

* * * * *

“I see that you scarcely comprehend what the term electioneering means

in England. It would be impossible for a candidate to absent himself

from his constituency for any longer period than the national holidays.

He must hold himself ready for any request from any of his supporters

every day between the hours of 10 A.M. and 10 P.M. He, in the mean time,

must visit every house in the borough (7,200 houses in mine) to try to

make the acquaintance of every voter and of some member of his family.

He must contribute not only his services as patron (chairman, supporter

of numberless charities, meetings), but funds as well, whenever

solicited. But more than that, he must hold himself ready to exchange

his services with those of fellow-candidates in the country. These

various duties which fall upon the candidate must be performed

cheerfully and with good will, otherwise it will be charged to him that

he is indifferent to the cause and to the public he has affected to

serve. I have as many as eighty visits in a day, and if you will only

take the trouble to calculate you will find that to visit 7200 voters

requires a large number of days, and as visits can only be made in the

intervals between public functions of great variety, not more than 200 a

week can be expected from the most active. You may fairly say that it

requires a year’s steady work to get through an ordinary constituency.

Then, you know the failing of the public is to forget your face and

name, and to keep them in mind you will have to begin again and continue

what is called the ‘musing.’ I need not say more. You will see why a

candidate cannot absent himself for more than a fortnight or so from the

duties he has undertaken, and I think your letter is thus fairly

answered. We are waiting to hear the sound of the trumpet to enter the

lists. It may be heard any day, and we are on the tiptoe of

expectation.”

* * * * *

From Richmond Terrace, under date of June 19, 1896, came an interesting

letter which refers in the beginning to the death, then recent, of the

late Colonel Thomas Knox. Stanley writes:

* * * * *

“I had been much impressed by the aged appearance of Knox, but I did not

expect so soon to hear of his death. He was a fine genial man, of grand

appearance, and I always thought a dinner table enriched by his

appearance. I am exceedingly sorry, for New York is the poorer for his

loss--for there is one friend less to me.... But it is thus we drop away

one by one.

“How suddenly that Venezuela business broke upon England! I had been

prepared for it by my visit to the States, and I had clipped dozens of

newspaper articles bearing upon the subject while I was over there.

About ten days after my arrival here I was visited by the manager of one

of the principal newspapers here, and asked what I thought of the

Eastern question, and I had answered that I was not much interested in

it, as I was interested in the squall brewing in the West. He asked me

what I referred to, and I replied that we might expect a terrific

explosion presently from America in regard to the Venezuela dispute. He

was astonished, for he had not heard of it. I then gave him my clippings

for his editor to study and prepare himself. Sixteen days after, the

storm burst, taking England all aback.

“Now, on this Venezuela subject, I am entirely on the side of America,

but I must admit I am not surprised that the English papers backed up

Lord Salisbury and differed from me. Taught by the virulent remarks of

your journals I had, of course, devoted much time to understanding it,

whereas English editors were exceptionally ill-informed about the

matter. There are two or three injudicious remarks in Olney’s despatch

which put British backs up, but after reflection it is wonderful how

many have come round to my opinion--that, whatever the transgressions of

Olney may be, there is a great deal of justice in the American demand. I

feel quite sure, now that so much is admitted, it will not be long

before the opinion becomes general that we were in the wrong in refusing

arbitration, while the more I think of Olney’s despatch, the more

impressed I am that Olney could scarcely have written otherwise than he

did. For I argue that had he contented himself with the usual suave tone

of diplomacy he would not have succeeded in rousing the attention of the

nation to the necessity of settlement. His despatch would have lain

quietly in the archives of the Foreign Office, whereas now every

Englishman knows sufficient of the subject to distinguish right from

wrong; and while there is still a majority who take the despatch to be

an affront to British dignity, there is a minority increasing in numbers

who think that British honor would be consulted by considering the

justice due to Venezuela, and that British interests would be promoted

by acquiescing with the American demand.

“But that all your journalists were wrong in assuming that we in this

country entertained any other feeling than that of true affection for

the Americans has been conclusively proved by the different receptions

accorded the President’s message and the German Emperor’s telegrams to

Kruger. On reading the first our people were simply astonished and

grieved, but the other roused the war feeling from the Hebrides to the

Channel Islands. I have never witnessed anything like it in England

before. It was entirely unexpected from one whom we had made so much of.

It was premeditated, also, and this is what enraged us. No one could

conceive what business it was of Germany’s to interfere with our

Protectorate, nor how we had given any one a reason to suppose that,

because Jameson had been so mad, we were so lost to all sense of honor

and justice as not to be willing to do what was right in the case. It

will be a long time before we forgive Germany, you may rest assured, and

every act of hers for years to come will be viewed with great suspicion.

Personally, I do not know which was maddest, Jameson’s ride for the

gold mines of Johannesburg or the Emperor William’s attempt on the

Protectorate of the Transvaal. Both were foolish.”

* * * * *

He closed this interesting letter with his always pleasant compliments

and messages for my family.

From Argelus-Gazoust, France, under date of August 5, 1898, in response

to a letter suggesting a lecture on Anglo-Saxon relations, Stanley

replies:

* * * * *

“Yes, I quite agree with you that we have numerous highly endowed

members of Parliament who would like to have the opportunity to address

American audiences upon the Anglo-American alliance, or any other

subject, but you see the faculty of orating is born with them; they

can’t help it. Whereas with me it is different. I can’t speak unless I

have something to say and the time to say what is imposed upon me has

come.

“Now, with regard to this Anglo-American alliance. It is a good thing

and a natural thing for both nations to come together and shake hands

and make a league of friendship. But the necessity for that is not

imperative for either side. England is at peace with all the world,

though she frets herself now and then. America has her enemy at her

mercy, and nobody is going to interfere with her. Where is the need for

the hurry? Then, naturally, having passed the impressionable period of

my life in America--and born in Britain, having an English wife and

home--I feel able to see a trifle clearer than some of those who are all

American or all English. I have not a particle of prejudice, though my

duty lies on this side. My opinion is we must not be too precipitate.

The two nations are gravitating together. True friendship cannot be

forced, but is a slow process, requiring time. There are many Americans

who have not even thought of the subject, there are English who cannot

entertain the idea. If such people are spoken to about the alliance they

are apt to say things neither kindly American nor kindly English would

like to hear.

“No! Wisdom suggests we leave the feeling to grow and solidify. If

either country was in distress, that would be the proper time to breathe

more life into that spirit of kinship and kindliness which we know

exists, and bring the reserved and proud peoples together, but to-day

there is no necessity for either nation to think particularly about the

matter. One is fat and proud with its Bank of England and big navy, the

other is in a quiver of delight over Manila, and Santiago, and the

heroes--Dewey, Schley, and Shafter. The time is not suitable for

speaking of alliances. If you Americans will come out of that Continent

and take your share of the Old World’s concerns, you will know better

what is meant by alliances. Were I not in a dreadful hurry and every

member of the family impatiently waiting for me, I could relate some

curious thoughts of mine about that matter, but I am not allowed to form

one connected sentence in peace. I cannot offer myself for the Lyceum

this term.”

* * * * *

A fair picture, certainly, this of Ulysses the wanderer with the distaff

in hand.

Under date of February 6, 1899, the day before Parliament was to meet,

Sir Henry writes that, looking round for arrearages of work, his eyes

caught sight of my 1899 letter.

* * * * *

“The year 1899 is starting so smoothly in England that the blank page

might serve for a news letter. We have long ago calmed down about the

mad French attempt on the Upper Nile, and we are so interested in the

Czar’s Peace Circular that we relaxed our attention to Russian misdoing

in China. With Germany we have no question, and America has civilly

refrained from twisting our Lion’s tail. Old Kruger is probably more

concerned with his personal infirmities and the Colonists are following

their usually orderly habits, so that all around 1899 promises to be

very quiet with us.”

* * * * *

This was a promise that events soon proved was easily broken, but even

Stanley could not foresee the sharp awakening for England as well as

ourselves. He proceeds:

* * * * *

“I wish I could feel your prospects are also as satisfactory. I don’t

know what you think of it, but it seems to me this Imperialism is going

to prove costly and disturbing to America, and her well-wishers are in

doubt whether it be wise in her to take upon herself the task of

regenerating the Philippines. If you don’t mind the expense and bother

of reforming these barbarians and making them orderly, we will not do

more than wish you well through the self-imposed task.”

* * * * *

Under date of November 24, 1899, Sir Henry M. Stanley replied to a

letter of mine wherein, at the suggestion of an experienced editorial

friend, I had pointed out to him the value of a short lecture tour in

the United States, during which no man could with such authority as

himself point out to the American people the situation in South Africa.

My adviser very strongly urged the fact that the views of Sir Henry M.

Stanley would not only greatly affect opinion here, but would tend

largely to extend his influence as a statesman in his own country.

Stanley illustrates his own modesty by ignoring _in toto_ my suggestion,

and then thus frankly criticises the British-Boer situation at the date

of his writing:

* * * * *

“We are not doing so well in the Transvaal as I expected, but everything

proves to me how really necessary it was that the evil humors which had

been gathering for the last nineteen years should come to a head and be

boldly dealt with. It proves, also, how remiss we have been in thus

delaying in considering the Transvaal matters as serious. No people on

earth are so averse to war as we are, and so prone to be guided by

goody-goody sentiment. Being rich, prosperous, and contented, we seem to

forget that all people are not so happy, and accordingly fail to provide

against other people’s discontent with us.

“This sunny belief in the power of sentiment will certainly be our bane

some day. From sentiment we left our African frontiers unprotected; we

left our garrisons in Natal open to an enemy that has been breathing

nothing but threats for ever so long; from sentiment we left the

Afrikander Bund to make its preparations, diffuse its opinions, and

conspire to oust us from South Africa; from sentiment we allow Kruger to

build his forts, arm his people with cannon and Mausers, and, naturally,

when everything is ready for the crisis for which Kruger has been

preparing, we profess to be surprised that Natal and Cape Colony have

been invaded, and that the Boers have been able to present such a bold

front to us.

“That war itself and the small disasters we have met are the penalties

we pay for the belief we profess that all men can be persuaded by reason

or soothed by sentiment. By all means profess as loudly as you may the

very best of sentiments toward people with whom you desire to be on

amicable terms, but don’t forget that human beings are not angels or

children, to be restrained by sentiment alone. If you have interests, no

amount of sentiment will protect them, especially when they lie so

temptingly close to another race. That is a paraphrase of the old

saying: ‘Pray to God, but keep your powder dry.’ We have prayed both to

God and the Boer, but in most reprehensible fashion we have forgotten

all about the powder.

“What is going to happen to us if we continue to be thus neglectful of

the commonest precautions? Heaven only knows. In England we are so given

to the cultivation of beautiful phrases and logic that no one of the

simple kind can hope to have simple truths listened to. Our newspaper

leaders are written in such Johnsonian-Gladstonese that plain people

pass them over as being ‘grand,’ but they are scarcely understood by the

many. In admiration of the sound we have lost the sense, and the direct,

simple English has no chance in these libretto days.

“In other ways we are also degenerate. Fancy ten thousand English

soldiers, willing to be led anywhere, remaining penned up in that hollow

of Ladysmith by a force of say even twenty thousand raw Boer militia! It

is all of a piece with that grand strategic genius which chose a hollow

for the South African Aldershot, with not even an intrenchment until it

was too late.”

* * * * *

The following is a characteristic and forcible presentation of opinions

which he of all men has the right to express:

* * * * *

“FURZE HILL, PERBRIGHT, SURREY, October 10, 1899.

“MY DEAR MAJOR: Your introduction of Mr. Howland has resulted, as you

are probably aware, in the publication of an article in his magazine

(_The Outlook_) on Anglo-Saxon Responsibilities. I have just seen it,

and though it was written before the Transvaal crisis became acute,

subsequent facts have, I think, borne my hints out.

“The above is my present address, where I am simply roughing it, owing

to the chaos prevailing inside and out. I am therefore in no condition

for writing a letter for the public eye, as you yourself would be the

first to admit if you could see my surroundings. Besides, I cannot see

the object of interesting the public in anything just now, and the

Anglo-Saxon relations are the topic of a thousand pens more or less

capable of instructing everybody who can read or think. Whether we shall

fight or not depends upon Kruger. He alone has it in his power to stay

the storm, but whether he will use that power or not, no one--probably

not Kruger even--can say. My opinion of Kruger differs from almost

every writer in the fact that I say he is a confirmed ass, or if you

prefer the true meaning of it--an obstinate old fool.

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