“It isn’t a church, sir; it’s a chapel. There’s a church,” he said,

pointing to a still smaller edifice on the adjoining corner. “That’s

where the lord mayor worships.” I learned then and there that only the

Church of England has the right to the name of church for their places

of worship (all others are chapels), and that there are no church bells

or chimes except in the Established Church. I drove back through Oxford

Street and Picadilly Circus to the Westminster Palace Hotel.

On returning to my hotel I sat down and addressed the following letter

to Mr. Spurgeon:

* * * * *

“WESTMINSTER PALACE HOTEL, June 3, 1879.

“REV. C. H. SPURGEON, Nightingale Lane.

“MY DEAR SIR: I am in London for the first time in my life and have set

my eyes on the great Tabernacle, which was the first object of interest

I wished to visit, as your name and your church have been almost a part

of my life for a number of years, being a fellow-Baptist.

“Inasmuch as you thought enough of a letter that I wrote you to publish

it in one of your books, I write to ask if I could have the pleasure of

an interview with you at your convenience. Meanwhile, if a note from you

would facilitate my getting a comfortable seat to hear you next Sabbath,

I would very much appreciate it.

“I am, yours very truly,

“J. B. POND.”

* * * * *

The next morning I received the following letter from Mr. Spurgeon:

* * * * *

“NIGHTINGALE LANE, BALHAM, SURREY, June 5, 1879.

“DEAR SIR: It will only be a waste of time for you to see me, as I am

not at all in your line, and I am happy to enclose your cards.

“Yours truly,

“C. H. SPURGEON.”

“Major J. B. Pond, Westminster Palace Hotel.”

* * * * *

There were two printed admission tickets to the Tabernacle. When Sunday

morning arrived, in company with a friend, I went early to the

Tabernacle in hopes of getting a comfortable seat. There was a great

throng on the steps, hundreds of people having already congregated there

while waiting for the doors to open. I noticed near the church an open

gate, through which people were passing to a side door. I tried to pass

in, but was stopped by a large, somewhat plain spoken, typical

Englishman, who told me that my tickets were good when the front doors

were opened.

I said, “Why can I not pass in here the same as others do?”

“Oh, you can by dropping something in the box.”

I then saw that people were dropping pieces of silver into the box and

passing in. I said to him, “How much am I expected to drop in?”

He replied, “Anything you please. A half crown is the usual amount.”

So dropping in two half crowns ($1.25) I was enabled to pass in at this

side door of the great Tabernacle, where a gentlemanly usher gave our

party good seats. Already several hundred people had entered in this

way, and before the doors were open the lower floor was about filled

with these contributors.

When the main doors were thrown open, there was a general rush of men

and women in all directions, carrying umbrellas and jumping over the

pews to get to the very nearest available seats, and almost immediately

every seat in the church was occupied and great crowds were standing

against the wall in the back galleries. I think I never witnessed such a

squabble of people rushing into a building. They created a dust that was

almost suffocating.

Very soon the great preacher appeared on a plain platform with no

rostrum or pulpit except a small table at his side, where lay a hymn

book and a Bible. Mr. Spurgeon immediately pronounced the invocation and

then read a hymn, which the congregation sang without organ

accompaniment or any other music except their voices. As the

congregation rose, clouds of dust seemed to rise with it, so that it was

almost impossible to distinguish the people in the top gallery.

It was a remarkable scene--a very devout crowd of worshippers who

entered into the spirit of the occasion and did worship the Lord and Mr.

Spurgeon with tremendous intensity.

I saw a number of Plymouth Church people near where I sat. I remember

asking one or two of them how this compared with Plymouth Church. They

all expressed disappointment. For intelligence, the congregation was not

to be compared with Plymouth; it was another class of people, of a much

lower order than I supposed could possibly form the congregation to

which Mr. Spurgeon had preached so many years.

Passing out through the crowd I shook hands with Mr. Spurgeon. He didn’t

recognize me. The following day I wrote him that before leaving England

I should very much like to pay my respects to the man I had read and

admired many years, making no reference whatever to my business. In

reply I received the following strange letter, which showed that the

great preacher really impugned my motives and thought I was bound to

secure him for a lecture tour in America:

* * * * *

“NIGHTINGALE LANE, BALHAM, SURREY, June 6, 1879.

“DEAR SIR: I am not at all afraid of anything you could say by way of

temptation to preach or lecture for money, for the whole of the United

States in bullion would not lead me to deliver one such lecture. It

would only waste your time and mine for you to see me, though I feel

sure you are one of the pleasantest men on earth. Your good-natured

pertinacity is so admirable that I trust you will not waste it upon an

impossible object, but be content to have my acknowledgment that if

success could have been achieved, you would have achieved it.

“Yours very truly,

“C. H. SPURGEON.

“Major J. B. Pond, Westminster Palace Hotel.”

* * * * *

I returned home without the sight.

I revisited England in 1886 with the Rev. Henry Ward Beecher.

Remembering the cordial letter Mr. Spurgeon had written me on my

previous visit, I thought it no more than proper to drop him a line,

stating that I was again in London and asking if he was of the same

opinion still, and disinclined to allow me the privilege of a call to

pay my respects, stating that I was visiting England with the Rev. Henry

Ward Beecher. I didn’t even suggest that Mr. Beecher would like to meet

him, as that was not a part of my interests. I received the following

letter in reply:

* * * * *

“WESTWOOD, BEULAH HILL, UPPER NORWOOD, July 13, 1886.

“DEAR SIR: I have, in as plain a manner as possible, on former occasions

declined to make your acquaintance, and I beg with all courtesy and

decision to do the same again. I know your business, and I have no wish

to enter upon it further. I can communicate with Mr. Beecher myself

should I wish to do so. At present I have no object for which to seek an

interview.

“Yours truly,

“C. H. SPURGEON.”

* * * * *

The morning I received the above letter from Mr. Spurgeon I breakfasted

with Dr. and Mrs. Parker at their home in Daleham Gardens, where a

number of distinguished ministers and friends had been invited to meet

Mr. and Mrs. Beecher. There were present Mr. James Clarke, editor of

_The Christian World_; the Rev. Dr. Simon, pastor of Westminster Chapel;

the Rev. Dr. Henry Allon, Union Chapel, Islington; and the Rev. Dr.

Clifford, Westbourne Park Chapel.

During the conversation some of the ministers present were of the

opinion that Mr. Beecher should deliver his last lecture in London in

the great Tabernacle, as it was the most appropriate auditorium in

London and could accommodate the largest number of people. I said that I

thought it impossible for Mr. Beecher to preach in the Tabernacle, as I

did not believe that Mr. Spurgeon was friendly to Mr. Beecher. This

seemed to surprise Dr. Parker, as well as the other representative

ministers present. Dr. Parker suggested that Dr. Allon and Mr. Spurgeon

were the greatest of friends, and he was sure that Mr. Spurgeon would be

delighted to extend the invitation to Mr. Beecher; and Dr. Allon was of

the same opinion. I remember that he said, “ Most assuredly Mr. Spurgeon

would expect to invite Mr. Beecher to occupy the Tabernacle.” I handed to

Mr. Beecher Spurgeon’s letter, which I had just received. As he read, I

noticed a smile come on his face. He passed the letter to Dr. Parker,

who also read it, and then to Dr. Allon, who, I think, passed it back to

me. The enthusiasm for Mr. Spurgeon and the Tabernacle suddenly ceased.

On the occasion of Mr. Beecher’s first sermon in London, July 4, the

congregation was admitted by ticket--the church members first and then

the public, to the capacity of the auditorium. Hundreds, and I might

say thousands, came who had to be turned away. As the congregation had

to be admitted by ticket, and as many were unable to secure these, a

rumor easily started in one of the religious papers that Mr. Beecher was

preaching the Gospel for money, and that the tickets to hear him preach

were sold at the doors of the house of the Lord. The secular press took

it up. Newspaper correspondents cabled it to their representative

journals across the Atlantic. London _Truth_ enlarged upon it, and

Labouchere’s letter to _The New York Herald_ repeated it.

One of the first comments on the story was in _The Baptist_, a paper of

which Mr. Spurgeon was supposed to be one of the editorial writers--an

article which found a place in nearly all of the leading papers where

Mr. Beecher was booked to lecture or preach. So I wrote the following

letter to that paper, which was published without comment:

* * * * *

CHARGING TO HEAR THE GOSPEL.

“31 MONTAGUE ST., LONDON, W. C., July 25, 1886.

“TO THE EDITOR OF _The Baptist_.

“DEAR SIR: May I be allowed to correct a statement made in your

excellent paper of the 23d inst. concerning Mr. Beecher and his lectures

and sermons?

“Mr. Beecher does not charge for preaching outside his own pulpit in

Plymouth Church, Brooklyn. I have managed all his lecture tours for the

past eleven years, and I have always arranged that he should preach on

the Sabbath while absent from home, and that under no circumstances was

there to be a charge of any kind made for hearing him preach the Gospel.

True, when in other cities, in order to protect pew-holders and members

of the regular congregations, it has been necessary to issue tickets of

admission to the side doors before the house was opened to the general

public.

“Mr. Beecher is a lecturer as well as preacher. He delivers on an

average one hundred and fifty lectures a year, and has during some

seasons lectured upward of two hundred times, besides preaching every

Sabbath. He lectures because he finds it profitable both to himself and

to those who are glad to pay their money to hear him; but _never_ has he

received a _penny_ for preaching outside his own pulpit; and if London

were bullion, and he could have it for preaching one sermon here, it

would not even tempt him.

“Mr. Beecher receives from me the same pay per lecture that I give him

in America. My business is furnishing lectures and high-class

entertainments to lyceums and lecture associations in America. I supply

lecture and musical societies throughout the United States with the best

talent to be had. It is part of the American system of education, and

the Americans are educated to it, and generally prefer it to trashy

shows. They expect great men to address them; and when Dean Stanley,

Professor Huxley, and Herbert Spencer came to America, I had hundreds of

applications from all parts of the land asking their terms and

approximate date; and when I replied that these men could not be

secured, many of my constituents accused me of shiftlessness and neglect

of business, and poured upon me all sorts of abuse because I did not

supply them. I have ‘imported’ a great deal of English talent: George

Dawson, Canon Kingsley, Bellew, Matthew Arnold, and last season Canon

Farrar, who made a great deal of money in America, lectured every day

and preached twice every Sabbath for three months. He was not abused nor

falsely accused because of his success. Thousands tried to get tickets

to hear him preach. They were not to be had, as the church congregations

where he preached had them for themselves and friends. Canon Farrar

received £200 each for his last three lectures in America, and the

management made something too. The public were not only satisfied, but

grateful that so rare an opportunity had been offered them.

“Mr. Beecher is not a rich man, nor a money-lover. He does not know what

becomes of his money. He lives the Gospel that he preaches. He has many

drafts on his purse that he would like to meet. He does all that he can

to assist the needy. He has two thousand eight hundred members in his

church, all as dear as his children to him. Reverses overtake many. His

name is the first that goes on a note to give a deserving friend a new

start in life. Could you but know a hundredth part of the good he is

constantly doing, you would be as ardent a believer as I am. I bring him

to England during his summer vacation to lecture. He gets every penny

from me for his lectures that he gets from any service in Great Britain.

He wants to preach every Sunday, so I leave Saturdays open, and place

the Sundays where he likes to preach. If it were money we were after, I

would have him lecture Saturdays and rest Sundays, and make £25 to £100

myself, and be £50 better off (every week) so far as this world’s goods

are concerned. The ministers for whom he preaches manage their own

congregations, and Mr. Beecher does not know as much about it as you do.

“Referring to Mr. Spurgeon on this subject of ‘charging to hear a

sermon,’ where ‘the managers charged a shilling to hear him preach,’ and

he remarked that ‘if he had known it he never would have preached,’ I

will ask you to kindly explain the difference between charging a

shilling and doing as I have on two different occasions when I went with

some friends to hear Mr. Spurgeon. By putting money in a box at the side

door I was allowed to go in and get seats, and I always found that a

good-sized congregation was accommodated in this way by ‘paying what

they liked,’ before the main doors were opened to the general public.

“If this is not charging an admission, I want to know what it is. I

certainly could not have got a comfortable seat unless I complied with

this custom.

“I am, yours very truly,

“J. B. POND,

“Manager of Henry Ward Beecher’s Lectures.”

* * * * *

[Illustration: RT. REV. HENRY C. POTTER]

BISHOP HENRY C. POTTER of New York is the one clergyman of all that I

know whom I most wish was a lyceum lecturer. It seems as though he is

about the only one of his class of great and lovable clergymen that has

been spared to us, now that Chapin, Beecher, and Phillips Brooks have

passed away. He is ever going about doing good, and is as much at home

and as well appreciated among the very poorest people as among those in

the very highest station of life.

He is recognized by all who meet him on the street, and something kind

is said as he passes by. If he would only be a lecturer! Thousands would

pay to see and hear him, because they would know that they were to have

something worth while in return for what they gave.

There is no great function, public or private, that he is not one of the

first to be invited. He marries sons and daughters of the millionaires,

and the poorest people as well, and all along the intermediate classes.

In the Episcopalian families no name is more generally known, respected

and loved.

The bishop is one of our very best public speakers. His addresses under

all conditions abound with wit, humor and pathos, and sound sense. It is

the simplicity, modesty, and real manliness of his make up that causes

him to be just what he is and what he cannot help being. In every sense

that the word implies, to every one who knows the meaning of the word,

he is a _man_.

He told me of an incident that occurred as he was passing along Fourth

Avenue. Some urchins were playing in the street, and he overheard one of

them say: “There goes the Bish. He’s no chump.” I would rather have that

eulogy from that urchin than from any statesman I know of.

THE VERY REV. S. REYNOLDS HOLE, dean of Rochester, was engaged by me for

a lecture tour in America during the season of 1894-95. Since Canon

Farrar lectured in America there has been no clergyman of the Church of

England that I considered of sufficiently high standing to supply the

demand that came most especially from the Episcopalian churches and

societies. One of the best proofs that Dean Hole was such a man, if he

could be secured, was the fact that as soon as it became known that

negotiations were pending, the Lotus Club wrote to him tendering him a

dinner on his arrival.

[Illustration]

He came in October, with Mrs. Hole, and put up at the Everett House. He

arrived on the 24th, and he was at once interviewed by representatives

of all the newspapers. The next day he and Mrs. Hole received calls from

many clergymen and their wives, and from nearly all the horticulturists

in the vicinity. Roses in great profusion, of every form and variety,

were sent in, for the Dean is known all over the world as the king of

rose growers. Never was there a finer collection of roses than those

which came to the Everett House during the Dean’s stay.

Then he yielded to Sarony’s invitation to come over and be photographed.

The scene between the Dean and Sarony was indeed picturesque. “When the

great photographer and artist found an interesting subject his

enthusiasm was intense. The magnificent stature of the Dean fairly

captivated him. He reached up (whoever knew Sarony will understand) and

caught the Dean’s hand, exclaiming, as he looked at me:

“Major Pond, you have at last brought me a subject that I can enjoy.

We’re going to have a good time.”

“I’d just like to hug you, sir,” said the artist, turning again to the

Dean.

“I’ve not the slightest objection,” the Dean replied, and Sarony tried

to encircle the big man with his arms. The famous artist, Mr. Herbert A.

Olivier, who accompanied the party from England, made a sketch of the

scene at that time, which is as correct in detail as a photograph could

be.

On Saturday, the 27th, came the dinner at the Lotus Club. Dean Hole’s

“Reminiscences” had made him widely known as the friend of Dickens,

Thackeray, Leech, and other great Englishmen of the past generation. A

distinguished company gathered to meet him, including the president,

Frank R. Lawrence, the Rev. Morgan Dix, rector of Trinity Church; Dr.

Arthur Brooks, Rev. Dr. David H. Greer, President Schurman, of Cornell

University; the Rev. Dr. James MacArthur, and many other distinguished

guests of the club.

Even at his advanced age Dean Hole looked stout and lusty. He is six

feet three inches in height, and his body is built on the typical lines

of John Bull. As one of the New York journals expressed it, he “is

certainly one of the finest specimens of Elizabethan ecclesiastical

architecture that England has ever sent to this country.” His head is

large and covered with a mass of silvery gray hair. His features are

strong and have an expression of benevolence and good humor.

In introducing the guest, Mr. Lawrence said:

“Two occasions come to my mind this evening--the Lotus Club’s receptions

to Charles Kingsley and Dean Stanley. To-night we are equally honored in

the privilege of meeting Dean Hole. We cannot greet him without

recalling the facts which his ‘Reminiscences’ have made familiar here.

We recall him as one who clasped hands with Thackeray and was the

friend of Dickens; but it is his own individuality as a man and author

that makes him dear to us.”

The Dean, on rising, said:

“I can assure you, gentlemen, that when I received your invitation,

having heard so much of the literary, artistic, and social amenities of

your famous club, I resembled in feelings--not in feature--the beautiful

bride of Burleigh, when--

“‘A trouble weighed upon her,

And perplexed her night and morn,

With the burden of an honor

Unto which she was not born.’

“I could have quoted the words of the mate in Hood’s ‘Up the Rhine,’

when, during a storm at sea, a titled lady sent for him, and asked him

if he could swim. ‘Yes, my lady,’ says he, ‘like a duck.’ ‘That being

the case,’ says she, ‘I shall condescend to lay hold of your arm all

night.’ ‘Too great an honor for the likes of me,’ says the mate.

“Even when I came into this building--though I am not a shy man, having

been educated at Brazennose College, and preposterously flattered

throughout my life, most probably on account of my size--I had lost this

sense of unworthiness; but your gracious reception has not only

reassured me, but has induced a delicious hallucination that, at some

period forgotten, in some unconscious condition, I have said something,

or done something, or written something, which really deserved your

approbation. To be serious, I am, of course, aware why this great

privilege has been conferred upon me. It is because you have associated

me with those great men with whom I was in happy intercourse that you

have made my heart glad to-night.

“It has ever been my ambition to blend my life, as the great painter

does his colors, ‘with brains, sir,’ and I venture to think that such a

yearning is a magnificent proof that we are not wholly destitute of this

article, as when the poor wounded soldier exclaimed on hearing the

doctor say that he could see his brains: ‘Oh, please write home and

tell father, for he has always said I never had any.’ Be that as it may,

my appreciation of my superiors has evoked from them a marvellous

sympathy, has led to the formation of very precious friendships, and has

been my elevator unto the higher abodes of brightness and freshness, as

it is to-night.

“Yes, my brothers, it is delightful to dwell ‘with brains, sir,’

condensed in books in that glorious world--a library--a world which we

can traverse without being sick at sea, or footsore on land; in which we

can reach the heights of science without leaving our easy chair, hear

the nightingales, the poets, with no risk of catarrh, survey the great

battlefields of the world unscathed; a world in which we are surrounded

by those who, whatever their temporal rank may have been, are its true

kings and real nobility, and which places within our reach a wealth more

precious than rubies, for all the things thou canst desire are not to be

compared with it.

“In this happy world I met Washington Irving, Fenimore Cooper,

Hawthorne, Willis, Longfellow, Whittier, and all your great American

authors, historical, poetical, pathetic, humorous, and ever since I have

rejoiced to hold converse with them. Nevertheless, it is with our living

companions, with our fellow-men, who love books, as we do, that this

fruition is complete, and so it comes to pass, in the words of one whose

name I speak with a full heart, Oliver Wendell Holmes, that ‘a dinner

table made up of such material as this is the last triumph of

civilization over barbarism.’

“We feel, as our witty Bishop, afterward Archbishop, Magee described

himself, when he said, ‘I am just now in such a sweet, genial

disposition that even a curate might play with me.’ We are bold enough

to state with Artemus Ward of his regiment, composed exclusively of

major generals, that ‘we will rest muskets with anybody.’

“‘Linger, I cried, O radiant Time, thy power

Hath nothing else to give. Life is complete.

Let but the happy present, hour by hour,

Itself remember and itself repeat.’

“And yet one more quotation, wherewith to make some amends for the

stupidity of him who quotes lines most appropriate, by Tennyson, from

‘The Lotus Eaters,’ and repeated by one who has just crossed the

Atlantic:

“‘We have had enough of action and of motion we,

Tossed to starboard, tossed to larboard, when the surge

was seething free,

And the wallowing monster spouted his foam fountain on the sea;

Let us swear an oath, and keep it with an equal mind;

In this hollow Lotus land to live and lie reclined

(Here where the Queen of Clubs so royally we’ve dined),

On the hills, like gods together, careless of mankind.’

“And now, gentlemen, let me give--

“‘Evermore thanks, the exchequer of the poor.’”

Then President Schurman of Cornell welcomed the Dean on behalf of the

universities. He was followed by Dr. MacArthur, who made a fine speech

and paid a splendid tribute to the guest of the evening. Mr. Brooks was

the next speaker. Dr. Greer raised many a laugh by his witty remarks.

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