STORIES FROM EX-SLAVES

"I live on Mr. Sim Bickley's farm, about five miles northwest of

Newberry Courthouse. I have a fairly good house to live in. I work on

the farm, myself, and make a pretty good living from it. I live with my

second wife. I had two children but they both died.

"I was born on Dr. Geo. W. Glenn's plantation, about six miles north of

Newberry. My parents, Berry and Frances Glenn, were slaves of Dr. Glenn.

I was seven years old when freedom come.

"Dr. Glenn gave us good quarters to live in and plenty to eat. He was a

good man and was not hard on slaves; but the mistress was mean to some

of the slaves that come from the Glenn side. She was good to the slaves

that come into her from her daddy.

"I didn't work much around the place when I was small, just did little

things to help. The master had a big garden and raised lots of green

vegetables like turnips, collards, cabbages and some okra, but little

beans except cornfield beans. We had plenty clothes.

"The master whipped us sometimes when we needed it. They would not learn

us to read and write. Some of the slaves went to the white folks'

church.

"I was married the first time on the Glasgow place by a colored preacher

named Boyd. Her daddy didn't want us to marry; he didn't like me. I

slipped to the field where she was working and stole her; went to the

preacher and got married. I married the second time in town on College

Hill.

"A band of Confederate soldiers in 1865 went past the master's house on

their way from war, and Mistress had dinner for them. They eat out

under big shade trees in the yard where Master always kept a long table

for dinners they had sometimes. When freedom come, the master called all

his slaves up to the house one night and spoke to them. He said they was

free, but any who wanted to stay on with him and help make the crop that

year could stay and he would pay wages. All stayed that year.

"The Ku Klux and Red Shirts didn't like Negroes. They would catch them

and whip them.

"It was a long time after the war before the negroes had a school. They

went to white folks churchs for a long time. Some of them had 'brush

harbors' for their churches, and schools, too.

"I don't know nothing about Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis. I can't

give much about Booker Washington, except I heard of him and believe he

is a good man and doing a good turn for the negroes.

"I think slavery was wrong; don't think one man ought to own another

man.

"I joined the church when I was about 25 or 30 years old."

=Source:= Silas Glenn (79), Newberry, S.C. RFD

Interviewer: G.L. Summer, Newberry, S.C. 8/9/37.

Project, 1885-(1)

Prepared by Annie Ruth Davis

Place, Marion, S.C.

Date, August 11, 1937

JOHN GLOVER

Ex-Slave, 77 Years

Timmonsville, S.C.

"Born on Rafter Creek bout 20 miles from Timmonsville on Elija Carson

place. My white folks live in big two story house dere cause my Massa

was a bankholder in Charleston en dat de reason he go back en forth to

Charleston every week or two. My Massa a good man, a good man, en I hope

he restin in Heaven dis day."

"De Carsons had bout 2,000 acres of land en 100 head of slaves on dey

plantation. Have long row of house up in de quarter whe' all de slaves

live. We have a very good livin in dat day en time. Had more to eat den

we do dese days cause rations won' scarce like dey is now. Eat potatoes

en peas en corn bread en homemade grits mostly, but I likes everything

to eat, Captain. Den dey give us a garden to make us greens en things

like dat en we is catch possum heap of de time. Uncle Ben (father's

father) was a great possum hunter, but he died fore I get big enough to

go huntin wid him. He went possum huntin every night till something went

up de tree one night en possum talk to him. He used to go huntin on a

Sunday night en dat how-come de possum talk to him."

"You didn' see de peoples wear much different clothes like dey wear dese

days, but what dey have was very decent. Just have bout one piece,

Captain, make out of some kind of homemade cloth wid no extra for

Sunday. Wear same kind of pants on Sunday dat wear every day en same

kind of shoes call brogans wid brass toes. I ain' see no fittin cloth

since dey used to raise sheep en have dey own wool en have loom en spin.

Look like God smile on us in dat day en time."

"I work round de white folks house fore freedom come, but I go back to

de quarter en sleep when night come. Dem dat live in de quarter have

lumber bed wid mattress made out of sacks en hay. Den when dey ring dem

bells en blow dem horns in de mornin, dat mean you better get up en go

bout your task for dat day."

"Oh, dey work us hard en late in dem times. Work from de sunrise in de

mornin to de sundown in de evenin. Dey have a driver dat tote whip en

see dat you do what you know to do. Didn' have no jail in dat day, but

if you ain' do your task en dey catch you, dey punish you by de whip.

Some of de time, dey put em in de screw box what dey press bales of

cotton wid. Put em in dere en run press right down whe' can' crush en

dey oouldn' move till dey take em out in de mornin en whip em en put em

to work. See plenty whipped on de place. Dey make one fellow go over a

barrel, en de other peoples hold he head down en de driver whip him.

Give em 50 en 75 licks fore dey stop sometimes. Use chains to hold em

when dey break ropes so dey couldn' get away."

"I see em sell slaves heap of times. See em gwine along in droves en

sayin dey was gwine to market. Sell em if dey ain' stay on de place en

work. Bid em off just like horse en mules. What am I bid for dis one?

Come en open you mouth en examine you teeth en dey wouldn' miss you a

year."

"Oh, Gracious God, didn' get married till after de shake was en I reckon

I bout 30 years old den. Captain, we thought it was de Jedgment

(Judgment). It come like it was thunderin in de earth, rollin in de

earth en de earth was gwine en comin. We pray en all de cows en chickens

was yelling. Last dat night bout 30 minutes dat you could look at

anything en it look like top spinning. We was all good bout two years

after dat."

"My white folks didn' teach none of dey slaves to read en write en didn'

let em go bout from one plantation to de other no time. All us know is

when we go to dey meetin en dey pray wid us. Peoples used to sing en

pray in de quarter on Saturday night en when dey dig grave en have a

funeral. Dey didn' do bout buryings den like dey do now. Burying dem

times en de funeral would all be over at de burying. Slaves didn' have

no way to go to de funeral but to walk. Den a white man would stop you

en if you have a ticket wid you dat have pass word on it, you could go

on."

"I can tell you all bout when dem Yankees come through dere. Some was on

black horses, some on red horses, en some on white horses. De one dat on

black horse wear black, de one on white horse wear white, en de one on

de red horse wear red. De horses had sense enough to double up when dat

man hollo from de top of dem. Dey was wearing soldier clothes en dey

come up to you house en set place on fire, kill cow or anything dey want

to. Dey burn up Carson house en stay dere till next day. Dey talk to my

mamma cause our house de next one to de white folks house. De white

folks done been gone. Dey ask her whe' dey hide dey money en she know

dey hide it to Stafford Hill, six miles from de house, but she didn'

tell dem. Don' know yet what became of de money, but dem Yankees loaded

an old chest on de wagon en took all de slaves dat wanted to run away

wid dem en left dere."

"Slaves didn' know what to do de first year after freedom en den de

Yankees tell de white folks to give de slaves one-third of dey crops.

What de slaves gwine buy land wid den, Captain? Won' a God thing to eat

in dat time. Had to plow corn wid ox cause de Yankees took all de horses

en mules dey wanted. My mother worked on three years dere for de white

folks en dey give her one bushel of corn en dey take two. One bushel of

corn en dey take two. Measured by de same basket."

"Well, I can' tell you bout people, but I can tell you bout my poor

soul. I think I know I'm bless to be here en raise three generation

clear up dis world. All my chillun dead en gone en God left me to live

among dese wild varments here. I have to cry sometimes when I think how

dey die en leave me in dis troublesome world. During slavery time, didn'

know what hard times was. I know you see in de Bible dat God sorry he

made man done so. I'm sorry dat de last war done. Every time you fight

war makes times harder. See three war en every one I see makes time

worse. Money gets balled up in one or two hand. Looks bad to me. Didn'

know what it was one time to be hungry."

=Source:= John Glover, Ex-Slave, 77 Years, Timmonsville, S.C.

(Personal interview by Mrs. Lucile Young and H. Grady Davis.)

Project, 1885-1

Prepared by Annie Ruth Davis

Place, Marion, S.C.

Date, June 28, 1937

HECTOR GODBOLD

Ex-Slave, 87 Years

"What you gwine do wid me? I sho been here in slavery time. Talk to dem

soldiers when dey was retreatin dey way back home. My old Missus was

Miss Mary Godbold en den she marry a Haselden. Dey buy my mamma from de

old man Frank Miles right over yonder. Harry en Cindy Godbold was my

parents. We live in a one room house in de slave quarter dere on de

white folks plantation. My God, sleep right dere on de floor. Had

gran'parents dat come here over de water from Africa. Dey tell me dat

whe' dey come from dey don' never let no man en he wife sleep together

cause dey is scared of em catchin disease from one another. Dat sho a

good thing, you know dat. I think dat sho a good thing."

"Dey ain' never give none of de colored peoples no money in dat day en

time. Coase dey give us plenty something to eat. Fed us out a big bowl

of pot licker wid plenty corn bread en fried meat en dat bout all we

ever eat. Dey is let us have a garden of we own dat we had to work by de

night time. You see de colored folks know dey had to get up soon as dey

hear dat cow horn blow en dat been fore daylight come here. Oh, dey work

from dark to dark in dat day en time. Didn' but one day out all de year

stand dat was a week day en dat was de big Christmus day. Sweet molasses

bread was de thing dat day. Coase dey give us a big supper when dey had

dem cornshucking day. Oh, dey had a frolic den dat last way up to de

midnight."

"I never live dere to de Haselden plantation wid my parents long fore

dey hire me out to Massa John Mace en I stay dere till me en Maggie (his

wife) come here to live. Nurse six head of chillun for de white folks

dere. I hear em say my Missus was a Watson fore she marry Massa John

Mace. Lord, Lord, love dem chillun to death. If Moses Mace been livin,

you wouldn' be talkin to no Hector Godbold bout here dese days. He de

one what give me en Maggie dat four room house you see settin dere. My

Missus give me a good beatin one time when I did drop one of dem baby.

Just put me head under her foot en beat me dat way."

"Another thing I had to do was to carry de baby cross de swamp every

four hour en let my mamma come dere en suckle dat child. One day I go

dere en another fellow come dere what dey call John. He en my mamma get

in a argument like en he let out en cut my mamma a big lick right cross

de leg en de blood just pour out dat thing like a done a what. My mamma

took me en come on to de house en when Miss Jane see dat leg, she say,

"Cindy, what de matter?" My mamma say, "John call me a liar en I never

take it." Miss Jane tell em to send after Sam Watson right den. Sam

Watson was a rough old overseer en he been so bowlegged dat if he stand

straddle a barrel, he be settin down on it just as good as you settin

dere. Sam Watson come dere en make dat fellow lay down on a plank in de

fence jam en he take dat cat o' nine tail he have tie round his waist en

strike John 75 times. De blood run down off him just like you see a

stream run in dat woods. Dat sho been so cause all we chillun stand bout

dere en look on it. I suppose I was bout big enough to plough den. When

dey let John loose from dere, he go in de woods en never come back no

more till freedom come here. I tellin you when he come back, he come

back wid de Yankees."

"Oh, de colored peoples never know nothin more den dogs in dem times.

Never couldn' go from one plantation to de other widout dat dey had a

ticket wid em. I see Sam Watson catch many of dem dat had run way en

buff en gag em. Never have no jails nowhe' in dat day en time. Dey sho

sell de colored peoples way plenty times cause I see dat done right here

to Marion. Stand em up on a block en sell em to a speculator dere. I

hear em bid off a 'oman en her baby dere en den dey bid off my auntie en

uncle way down to de country. Dey wouldn' take no whippin off dey Massa

en dat how-come dey get rid of em. My gran'pappy been worth $1,000 en it

de Lord's truth I tellin you, he drown fore he let em whip him. Den my

gran'mammy use to run way en catch rides long de roads cause de peoples

let em do dat den. Coase if dey catch her, dey didn' never do her no

harm cause she was one of dem breed 'omans."

"Never know nothin bout gwine to school in dem times. Just pick up what

learnin we get here, dere, en everywhe'. Learnt something to de white

folks meetin house dere to Antioch settin on de back side of dat church

on dem benches what de slaves had to set on. I is know dis much dat I

voted three times to de courthouse in Marion way back in dem days."

"Sho, we chillun play game en frolic heap of de time. Shinny was de

thing dat I like best. Just had stick wid crook in de end of it en see

could I knock de ball wid dat. I sho remembers dat. Den I was one of de

grandest hollerers you ever hear tell bout. Use to be just de same as a

parrot. Here how one go: O--OU--OU--O--OU, DO--MI--NICI--O,

BLACK--GA--LE--LO, O--OU--OU--O--OU, WHO--O--OU--OU. Great King, dat

ain' nothin."

"Ain' never believe in none of dem charms people talk bout en ain' know

nothin bout no conjuring neither, but I know dis much en dat a spirit

sho slapped Maggie one night bout 12 o'clock. Den another time me en her

was comin home from a party one night en I had a jug of something dere

wid me en Maggie ax me for it. Say something was followin after her. De

next thing I know I hear dat jug say, gurgle, gurgle, gurgle. I look

back en she been pourin it out on de ground. She say she do dat to make

de spirit quit followin after her. Dat spirit sho been dere cause I see

dat licker disappear dere on de ground wid me own eyes."

"Sho, dey had doctors in dat day en time. Had plant doctors dat go from

one plantation to another en doctor de peoples. Dr. Monroe was one of

dem doctor bout here en dere ain' never been no better cures nowhe' den

dem plant cures was. I get Maggie so she can move bout dat way. She won'

able to walk a step en I boil some coon root en put a little whiskey in

it en make her drink dat. It sho raise her up too. Dem coon root look

just like dese chufas what you does find down side de river. Dat sho a

cure for any rheumatism what is. I know dat all right."

"Mighty right, I remembers when freedom was declare. I think dat must a

been de plan of God cause it just like dis, if it hadn' been de right

thing, it wouldn' been. I know it a good thing. De North was freed 20

years head of de South en you know it a good thing. I a history man en I

recollects dat de history say de North was freed 20 years fore de South

was."

"I sho hear dem guns at Fort Sumter dere en I remembers when dem

soldiers come through dis way dat de elements was blue as indigo bout

here. Had parade bout five miles long wid horses dancin bout en fiddles

just a playin. Some of dem Yankees come dere to de white folks house one

of dem time, when my Massa was way from home workin dere on de

Manchester Railroad, en ax my Missus whe' dey horses was. Dem horses

done been hide in de bay en dey never get nothin else dere neither, but

a little bit of corn dat dey take out de barn."

"I 87 year old now en I here to tell you dat I never done nobody no mean

trick in all me life. I does fight cause I cut a man up worth 19

stitches one of dem times back dere. Two of em been on me one time en I

whipped both of em. I tellin you I been good as ever was born from a

'oman. It just like dis, I say fight all right, but don' never turn no

mean trick back. Turn it to God, dat what do. Dem what go to church in

de right way, dey don' have no vengeful spirit bout em. I sho goes to

church cause de church de one thing dat does outstand

everything--everything."

=Source:= Hector Godbold, ex-slave, age 87, Pee Dee,

Marion Co., S.C.

(Personal interview, June 1937).

Project #1855

Stiles M. Scruggs

Columbia, S.C.

DANIEL GODDARD

EX-SLAVE 74 YEARS OLD.

"My name is Daniel Goddard. I was born in Columbia, S.C. Feb. 14, 1863,

to slave parents. You know I recall no contacts I made in slavery for I

was too young during that period. You know too, if I had been born in

Massachusetts, for example, I should have been free, because all slaves

in the United States had been set free when President Lincoln, shortly

before my birth, January, 1863, struck the shackles from bondage.

"The Confederate states had seceded from the Union and they paid no

attention to the freedom proclamation during the war. So the slaves in

the South, generally speaking, stayed on until the Confederacy collapsed

in April, 1865, and even then, some of the slaves were slow to strike

out for themselves, until the Federal government made ample preparations

to take care of them.

"Now you ask, if I heard about escapes of slaves. Sure I did and I heard

my parents discuss the efforts of slaves to shake off the shackles. This

was probably true because my father's brother, Thomas, was a member of

the slave ship which was taking him and 134 others from Virginia to New

Orleans. A few miles south of Charleston, the slaves revolted, put the

officers and crew in irons, and ran the ship to Nassau.

"There they went ashore and the British Government refused to surrender

them. They settled in the Bahama Islands and some of their descendants

are there today. That was about 1830, I think, because my Uncle Thomas

was far older than my father. I heard about the other slave revolts,

where that African prince, one of a large number of slaves that were

kidnaped, took over the Spanish ship L'Amada, killing two of the

officers. The remaining officers promised to return the slaves to Africa

but slyly turned the ship to port in Connecticut. There the Spanish

minister at Washington demanded the slaves, as pirates. Appeal was made

to the courts and the United States Court ruled that slavery was not

legal in Spain and declared the slaves free.

"The Nat Turner insurrection in Virginia and the Vesey uprising in

Charleston was discussed often, in my presence, by my parents and

friends. I learned that revolts of slaves in Martinique, Antigua,

Santiago, Caracas and Tortugus, was known all over the South. Slaves

were about as well aware of what was going on, as their masters were.

However the masters made it harder for their slaves for a while.

"I have a clipping, now worn yellow with age, which says the Federal

census of 1860, showed there were 487,970 free Negroes and 3,952,760

slaves in the United States at that time. I am not at all surprised at

the number of free Negroes. Many South Carolina families freed a number

of their slaves. Some slaves had the luck to be able to buy their

freedom and many others escaped to free areas. The problem of slavery as

a rule, was a question of wits, the slave to escape and the master to

keep him from escaping.

"I once talked with Frederick Douglass, perhaps the most eminent Negro

to appear so far in America. He told me he was born a slave in Maryland,

in 1817, and that he served there as a slave for ten years. He escaped

to Massachusetts, where he was aided in education and employment by the

Garrisons and other abolitionists, and became a leader of his race. He

was United States Minister to Haiti at the time I met him and was

eminent as an orator. He died in 1895.

"You ask, what do I think of the Presidents. Well, I have always been

such an admirer of Andrew Jackson, a South Carolinian, that I may be

prejudiced a little. The reason I admire him so much, is because he

stood for the Union, and he didn't mean maybe, when he said it. He

served his time and God took him, just as he took Moses.

"Then Lincoln was raised up for a specific purpose, to end slavery,

which was a menace to both whites and blacks, as I see it. And President

Wilson kept the faith of the fathers, when he decided to put the German

Kaiser where he could no longer throw the world into discord. But there

has only been one President whose heart was touched by the cry of

distress of the poor and needy and his name is Franklin D. Roosevelt. He

is one white man who has turned the bias of the Negroes from the bait of

partisan politics.

"Yes, sir, I recall the reconstruction period here in Columbia. My

parents lived until I was about grown and we kept the middle of the

road, in the matter of selling out to the Federal soldiers and

carpet-baggers on the one hand, or to designing politicians on the

other. But my father was an admirer of General Hampton, because General

Hampton owned many Negroes at one time and had treated them well.

Between Hampton and Chamberlain for governor, in 1876, most of my Negro

friends voted for Hampton.

"What have I been doing since I grew up? Well, I have been busy trying

to make a living. I worked for various white folks in this community and

sometime for the railroads here, in a minor capacity. My younger years

were spent in the quest of an education. For the past thirty years I

have been the porter for the State Paper Company, Columbia's morning

newspaper. As I became proficient in the work, the Gonzales boys grew

fond of me. While the youngest one, Hon. William E. Gonzales, was absent

in the diplomatic service in Cuba and in Peru for eight years for

President Wilson, I looked after the needs of Mr. Ambrose Gonzales.

Shortly before he died, Hon. William E. Gonzales returned. He has since

been editor and publisher of the 'State', as well as principal owner.

"You ask, if I have applied for an old age pension. No, I have not. I am

old enough to qualify, I guess, but I understand, you cannot get a

pension if you have a job. If that is so, I shall never enjoy any

pension money. I would not leave serving my friend, Captain William E.

Gonzales, for any pension that might be offered me."

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N.B. This man is well educated, speaks no dialect. He received his

education from Northern teachers in Freedman aid, equal to the modern

high school curriculum. He afterward studied in Boston. He reads,

writes, and speaks excellent English.

Address: 1022 Divine Street, Columbia, S.C.

Project #-1655

Mrs. Genevieve W. Chandler

Murrells Inlet, S.C.

Georgetown County

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