I think I can omit the first two questions. The third question is:

“Did Göring say to you during this discussion, ‘Every German

Government would consider the following matters as an integral

part of its policy: (a) The incorporation of Austria and the

Sudetenland into Germany; (b) The return of Danzig to Germany

with a reasonable solution of the Corridor question’?

“Answer: Yes.

“Question 4: Did you answer thereupon: ‘But, I hope without

war’?

“Answer: I said that His Majesty’s Government wanted all

questions affecting Germany and her neighbors settled by

peaceful methods. I did not otherwise discuss those questions.

“Question 5: Did Göring answer thereupon:

“‘That depends very much upon England. England would be able to

contribute much to the peaceful solution of this question.

Göring does not want war either for these reasons, but these

questions have to be settled under all circumstances.’

“Answer: Yes.”

The next questions concern the conversation with Dahlerus . . .

THE PRESIDENT: Does that purport to be a verbatim account of what the

Defendant Göring said? Did he refer to himself in the third person,

“Göring does not want a war,” meaning, “I do not want a war”?

DR. STAHMER: He did not want a war either. England would be able to

contribute much to the peaceful solution of this question. He does not

want war either for these reasons. He, that is, Göring does not want war

either, but these questions have to be settled under all circumstances.

This is, of course, indirect speech. In direct speech it would be, “I,

Göring, do not want war, but the questions have to be settled under all

circumstances.”

The next questions refer to Dahlerus. Question 15, which is the question

put to Halifax, is also of importance in my opinion:

“Did you have the impression that Göring’s endeavors to avoid

war were sincere?”

The answer of Halifax is:

“I have no doubt that Göring would have preferred to enforce the

German demands on Poland without war, if he could have.”

At the end of June or the beginning of July 1938, the Defendant Göring

made a speech to the Gauleiter at Karinhall which was distinctly a

speech for peace. I am referring to a statement from Dr. Uiberreither of

27 February 1946, the original of which is being presented as Document

Number 38, Exhibit Number Göring-4, and is given in Document Book Number

2 on Page 37.

THE PRESIDENT: You are putting in these originals, are you?

DR. STAHMER: Yes, indeed.

In that statement from Dr. Uiberreither, dated 27 February 1946, at Page

38 in Document Book Number 2, Your Honor, it says:

“On 25 May 1938”—says Dr. Uiberreither—“that is, after the

plebiscite concerning the reunion of Austria with Germany, which

had taken place on 10 April 1938, I was appointed Gauleiter of

Gau Steiermark.

“A few weeks later—it may have been towards the end of June or

the beginning of July 1938—the former Field Marshal Hermann

Göring summoned all Gauleiter of the German Reich to Karinhall.

“He there delivered quite a long address to the Gauleiter,

describing the political situation as it was at the time, and

discussing in detail the purpose and significance of the Four

Year Plan.

“Field Marshal Göring first pointed out that other countries had

little understanding for the political developments in Germany,

and that consequently there existed the danger of Germany’s

being encircled. Directing German foreign policy was therefore a

difficult task. Consequently, we should endeavor to strengthen

Germany from the economic and military point of view, in order

to reduce the danger of Germany being attacked by a foreign

power. At the same time, this would result in Germany once more

exercising an increasingly important influence in European

politics after she had again become strong.

“After that, Field Marshal Göring discussed the Four Year Plan.

In this connection he remarked:

“By and large, Germany was cut off from the world’s sources of

raw materials and she therefore had to open up sources in her

own territory by dint of increased efficiency. This would be

done merely in order to make Germany independent of foreign

countries, and was not by any means to serve the purpose of

preparing for an aggressive war.

“He then stressed, with great emphasis, that Germany’s foreign

policy would have to be conducted in such a way that war should

not ensue under any circumstances. The present generation was

still feeling the effects of a lost World War; the outbreak of

another war would be a shock to the German people. Furthermore,

it was his opinion that a new war might assume great

proportions, and even the outcome of a war against France alone

would be questionable.

“In conclusion, he summarized his address by saying that we had

to do everything in our power to make the Four Year Plan a

success, and that all hardships caused thereby must be borne by

the people and were justified, because its success might prevent

war.

“I point out that I remember all the details of this speech so

accurately because this was the first time that I was informed

by a leading personality of these conditions which were so

important for Germany, and because, as a result, until the war

actually started, I did not believe that it would come to a

war.”

In the solution of the Austrian problem no aggressive action on the part

of Germany is to be seen. It took place in response to the desires of

the majority of the Austrian population for reunion with the Reich. The

defendant’s view of this problem can be seen from the telephone

conversation he had with the Foreign Minister Von Ribbentrop on 13 March

1938. The record of this conversation has already been produced under

Document Number 2949-PS, Exhibit Number USA-75. I shall quote from this

conversation some passages which have not yet been read. The

conversation is contained in Document Book Number 1, Pages 55-56. I am

going to quote only the following passages:

“I want to say one thing: If it is said”—this is Göring

talking—“that we have used pressure on the Austrian people and

done outrage to their independence, it can be said that only one

thing was put under pressure, but not by us, and that was the

tiny little government. The Austrian people are free only now. I

would simply suggest to Halifax, or to a few really important

people whom he trusts, that he just send them over here so they

can look at the picture. They should travel through the country,

they can see everything.”

And a few sentences later:

“What state in the whole world is being harmed by our union? Are

we taking anything from any state?”

Then it goes on, I skip two sentences:

“All the people are German; all the people speak German. Thus

there is not a single other state involved.”

The Defendant Göring—I am referring to Page 11 of the book next to the

last paragraph—did not only wish to maintain peace abroad; he also

supported the preservation of peace at home. In this respect he declared

in a speech he made on 9 April 1933 at the Berlin Sports Palace—it

appears in the book _Hermann Göring’s Speeches and Compositions_, and is

reproduced in Document Book Number 1, Page 35, and I am offering it as

Document Number 13; I quote the first sentence:

“Oh the other hand, however, my compatriots, we ought also to be

generous. We do not wish to practice petty revenge. After all,

we are the victors. . . . Therefore, let us be generous, let us

realize that we also thought differently at one time.”

And then a little further down:

“. . . the stronger and freer we feel ourselves to be, the more

generously, the more freely are we able to disregard what

happened in the past and to extend our hand with complete

sincerity in reconciliation.”

I further quote from a speech of the defendant on 26 March 1938,

Document Book Number 1, Page 37, likewise a quotation from _Hermann

Göring’s Speeches and Compositions_, the exhibit number of which is 14.

I quote only one sentence from it:

“. . . you were great in suffering and enduring; you were great

in standing firm; great in fighting. Now you must show that you

are also great in kindness, and especially so towards the many

who were misled.”

His attitude towards the Church the defendant has . . .

THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Stahmer, can you not give the exhibit number?

DR. STAHMER: Yes, I think it was Number 13. I shall look again. It was

Number 14.

His attitude towards the Church was expressed by the Defendant Göring in

several speeches. In this respect, on 26 October 1935, he made the

following statement. I am quoting from _Hermann Göring’s Speeches and

Compositions_, Document Book 1, Page 39, Document Number 15, the

following sentences:

“It rests with the Church alone whether it wishes to have peace.

We, the Movement, and in particular the Government and the

State, have never attacked the Church; we have assured

protection to the Church, and the Church knows that it enjoys

this protection also today to the fullest extent.

“Therefore, there is nothing to warrant blaming us for anything

in this respect.”

And from another speech of 26 March 1938, which is also quoted from

_Hermann Göring’s Speeches and Compositions_, Document Book Number 1,

Page 41, Document Number 16, I quote the first and the second sentences:

“We do not wish to annihilate any Church, nor to destroy any

belief or religion. All we want is to bring about a clear

separation. The Church has its definite, very important and very

necessary tasks, and the State and the Movement have other, just

as important and just as decisive, tasks.”

I refer further to a document submitted by a clergyman Werner Jentsch,

dated 30 October 1945, addressed to this Tribunal, Document Book Number

1, Pages 44 to 46, Exhibit Number 17.

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