The meeting was held in the old Winter Garden of the Tauride Palace, the

former palace of Potemkin, the favourite of Catherine the Second. Here

the Imperial Duma met under the Tsarist _régime_, and I visited it in

1914 and saw a languid session in progress. I went then with Mr. Maurice

Baring and one of the Benckendorffs to the strangers’ gallery, which ran

round three sides of the hall. There was accommodation for perhaps a

thousand people in the hall, and most of it was empty. The president

with his bell sat above a rostrum, and behind him was a row of women

reporters. I do not now remember what business was in hand on that

occasion; it was certainly not very exciting business. Baring, I

remember, pointed out the large proportion of priests elected to the

third Duma; their beards and cassocks made a very distinctive feature of

that scattered gathering.

On this second visit we were no longer stranger onlookers, but active

participants in the meeting; we came into the body of the hall behind

the president’s bench, where on a sort of stage the members of the

Government, official visitors, and so forth find accommodation. The

presidential bench, the rostrum, and the reporters remained, but instead

of an atmosphere of weary parliamentarianism, we found ourselves in the

crowding, the noise, and the peculiar thrill of a mass meeting. There

were, I should think, some two hundred people or more packed upon the

semicircular benches round about us on the platform behind the

president, comrades in naval uniforms and in middle-class and

working-class costume, numerous intelligent-looking women, one or two

Asiatics and a few unclassifiable visitors, and the body of the hall

beyond the presidential bench was densely packed with people who filled

not only the seats but the gangways and the spaces under the galleries.

There may have been two or three thousand people down there, men and

women. They were all members of the Petersburg Soviet, which is really a

sort of conjoint meeting of its constituent soviets. The visitors’

galleries above were equally full.

Above the rostrum, with his back to us, sat Zenovieff, his right-hand

man Zorin, and the president. The subject under discussion was the

proposed peace with Poland. The meeting was smarting with the sense of

defeat and disposed to resent the Polish terms. Soon after we came in

Zenovieff made a long and, so far as I could judge, a very able speech,

preparing the minds of this great gathering for a Russian surrender. The

Polish demands are outrageous, but for the present Russia must submit.

He was followed by an oldish man who made a bitter attack upon the

irreligion of the people and government of Russia; Russia was suffering

for her sins, and until she repented and returned to religion she would

continue to suffer one disaster after another. His opinions were not

those of the meeting, but he was allowed to have his say without

interruption. The decision to make peace with Poland was then taken by a

show of hands. Then came my little turn. The meeting was told that I had

come from England to see the Bolshevik _régime_; I was praised

profusely; I was also exhorted to treat that _régime_ fairly and not to

emulate those other recent visitors (these were Mrs. Snowden and Guest

and Bertrand Russell) who had enjoyed the hospitality of the republic

and then gone away to say unfavourable things of it. This exhortation

left me cold; I had come to Russia to judge the Bolshevik Government and

not to praise it. I had then to take possession of the rostrum and

address this big crowd of people. This rostrum I knew had proved an

unfortunate place for one or two previous visitors, who had found it

hard to explain away afterwards the speeches their translators had given

the world through the medium of the wireless reports. Happily, I had had

some inkling of what was coming. To avoid any misunderstanding I had

written out a short speech in English, and I had had this translated

carefully into Russian. I began by saying clearly that I was neither

Marxist nor Communist, but a Collectivist, and that it was not to a

social revolution in the West that Russians should look for peace and

help in their troubles, but to the liberal opinion of the moderate mass

of Western people. I declared that the people of the Western States were

determined to give Russia peace, so that she might develop upon her own

lines. Their own line of development might be very different from that

of Russia. When I had done I handed a translation of my speech to my

interpreter, Zorin, which not only eased his task but did away with any

possibility of a subsequent misunderstanding. My speech was reported in

the _Pravda_ quite fully and fairly.

Then followed a motion by Zorin that Zenovieff should have leave to

visit Berlin and attend the conference of the Independent Socialists

there. Zorin is a witty and humorous speaker, and he got his audience

into an excellent frame of mind. His motion was carried by a show of

hands, and then came a report and a discussion upon the production of

vegetables in the Petersburg district. It was a practical question upon

which feeling ran high. Here speakers arose in the body of the hall,

discharging brief utterances for a minute or so and subsiding again.

There were shouts and interruptions. The debate was much more like a big

labour mass meeting in the Queen’s Hall than anything that a Western

European would recognise as a legislature.

This business disposed of, a still more extraordinary thing happened. We

who sat behind the rostrum poured down into the already very crowded

body of the hall and got such seats as we could find, and a white sheet

was lowered behind the president’s seat. At the same time a band

appeared in the gallery to the left. A five-part cinematograph film was

then run, showing the Baku Conference to which I have already alluded.

The pictures were viewed with interest but without any violent applause.

And at the end the band played the _Internationale_, and the audience—I

beg its pardon!—the Petersburg Soviet dispersed singing that popular

chant. It was in fact a mass meeting incapable of any real legislative

activities; capable at the utmost of endorsing or not endorsing the

Government in control of the platform. Compared with the British

Parliament it has about as much organisation, structure, and working

efficiency as a big bagful of miscellaneous wheels might have beside an

old-fashioned and inaccurate but still going clock.

VI

THE DREAMER IN THE KREMLIN

My chief purpose in going from Petersburg to Moscow was to see and talk

to Lenin. I was very curious to see him, and I was disposed to be

hostile to him. I encountered a personality entirely different from

anything I had expected to meet.

Lenin is not a writer; his published work does not express him. The

shrill little pamphlets and papers issued from Moscow in his name, full

of misconceptions of the labour psychology of the West and obstinately

defensive of the impossible proposition that it is the prophesied

Marxist social revolution which has happened in Russia, display hardly

anything of the real Lenin mentality as I encountered it. Occasionally

there are gleams of an inspired shrewdness, but for the rest these

publications do no more than rehearse the set ideas and phrases of

doctrinaire Marxism. Perhaps that is necessary. That may be the only

language Communism understands; a break into a new dialect would be

disturbing and demoralising. Left Communism is the backbone of Russia

to-day; unhappily it is a backbone without flexible joints, a backbone

that can be bent only with the utmost difficulty and which must be bent

by means of flattery and deference.

Moscow under the bright October sunshine, amidst the fluttering yellow

leaves, impressed us as being altogether more lax and animated than

Petersburg. There is much more movement of people, more trading, and a

comparative plenty of droshkys. Markets are open. There is not the same

general ruination of streets and houses. There are, it is true, many

traces of the desperate street fighting of early 1918. One of the domes

of that absurd cathedral of St. Basil just outside the Kremlin gate was

smashed by a shell and still awaits repair. The tramcars we found were

not carrying passengers; they were being used for the transport of

supplies of food and fuel. In these matters Petersburg claims to be

better prepared than Moscow.

[Illustration:

THE PETERSBURG SOVIET IN SESSION.

Lenin at the rostrum; below him are the women stenographers;

immediately behind him is Zenovieff and the President.

Behind these again are officials and ministerial persons, official

visitors and the like.

]

The ten thousand crosses of Moscow still glitter in the afternoon light.

On one conspicuous pinnacle of the Kremlin the imperial eagles spread

their wings; the Bolshevik Government has been too busy or too

indifferent to pull them down. The churches are open, the kissing of

ikons is a flourishing industry, and beggars still woo casual charity at

the doors. The celebrated miraculous shrine of the Iberian Madonna

outside the Redeemer Gate was particularly busy. There were many peasant

women, unable to get into the little chapel, kissing the stones outside.

Just opposite to it, on a plaster panel on a house front, is that now

celebrated inscription put up by one of the early revolutionary

administrations in Moscow: “Religion is the Opium of the People.” The

effect this inscription produces is greatly reduced by the fact that in

Russia the people cannot read.

About that inscription I had a slight but amusing argument with Mr.

Vanderlip, the American financier, who was lodged in the same guest

house as ourselves. He wanted to have it effaced. I was for retaining it

as being historically interesting, and because I think that religious

toleration should extend to atheists. But Mr. Vanderlip felt too

strongly to see the point of that.

The Moscow Guest House, which we shared with Mr. Vanderlip and an

adventurous English artist who had somehow got through to Moscow to

execute busts of Lenin and Trotsky, was a big, richly-furnished house

upon the Sofiskaya Naberezhnaya (No. 17), directly facing the great wall

of the Kremlin and all the clustering domes and pinnacles of that

imperial inner city. We felt much less free and more secluded here than

in Petersburg. There were sentinels at the gates to protect us from

casual visitors, whereas in Petersburg all sorts of unauthorised persons

could and did stray in to talk to me. Mr. Vanderlip had been staying

here, I gathered, for some weeks, and proposed to stay some weeks more.

He was without valet, secretary, or interpreter. He did not discuss his

business with me beyond telling me rather carefully once or twice that

it was strictly financial and commercial and in no sense political. I

was told that he had brought credentials from Senator Harding to Lenin,

but I am temperamentally incurious and I made no attempt whatever to

verify this statement or to pry into Mr. Vanderlip’s affairs. I did not

even ask how it could be possible to conduct business or financial

operations in a Communist State with anyone but the Government, nor how

it was possible to deal with a Government upon strictly nonpolitical

lines. These were, I admitted, mysteries beyond my understanding. But we

ate, smoked, drank our coffee and conversed together in an atmosphere of

profound discretion. By not mentioning Mr. Vanderlip’s “mission,” we

made it a portentous, omnipresent fact.

The arrangements leading up to my meeting with Lenin were tedious and

irritating, but at last I found myself under way for the Kremlin in the

company of Mr. Rothstein, formerly a figure in London Communist circles,

and an American comrade with a large camera who was also, I gathered, an

official of the Russian Foreign Office.

The Kremlin as I remembered it in 1914 was a very open place, open much

as Windsor Castle is, with a thin trickle of pilgrims and tourists in

groups and couples flowing through it. But now it is closed up and

difficult of access. There was a great pother with passes and permits

before we could get through even the outer gates. And we filtered and

inspected through five or six rooms of clerks and sentinels before we

got into the presence. This may be necessary for the personal security

of Lenin, but it puts him out of reach of Russia, and, what perhaps is

more serious, if there is to be an effectual dictatorship, it puts

Russia out of his reach. If things must filter up to him, they must also

filter down, and they may undergo very considerable changes in the

process.

We got to Lenin at last and found him, a little figure at a great desk

in a well-lit room that looked out upon palatial spaces. I thought his

desk was rather in a litter. I sat down on a chair at a corner of the

desk, and the little man—his feet scarcely touch the ground as he sits

on the edge of his chair—twisted round to talk to me, putting his arms

round and over a pile of papers. He spoke excellent English, but it was,

I thought, rather characteristic of the present condition of Russian

affairs that Mr. Rothstein chaperoned the conversation, occasionally

offering footnotes and other assistance. Meanwhile the American got to

work with his camera, and unobtrusively but persistently exposed plates.

The talk, however, was too interesting for that to be an annoyance. One

forgot about that clicking and shifting about quite soon.

I had come expecting to struggle with a doctrinaire Marxist. I found

nothing of the sort. I had been told that Lenin lectured people; he

certainly did not do so on this occasion. Much has been made of his

laugh in the descriptions, a laugh which is said to be pleasing at first

and afterwards to become cynical. This laugh was not in evidence. His

forehead reminded me of someone else—I could not remember who it was,

until the other evening I saw Mr. Arthur Balfour sitting and talking

under a shaded light. It is exactly the same domed, slightly one-sided

cranium. Lenin has a pleasant, quick-changing, brownish face, with a

lively smile and a habit (due perhaps to some defect in focussing) of

screwing up one eye as he pauses in his talk; he is not very like the

photographs you see of him because he is one of those people whose

change of expression is more important than their features; he

gesticulated a little with his hands over the heaped papers as he

talked, and he talked quickly, very keen on his subject, without any

posing or pretences or reservations, as a good type of scientific man

will talk.

Our talk was threaded throughout and held together by two—what shall I

call them?—_motifs_. One was from me to him: “What do you think you are

making of Russia? What is the state you are trying to create?” The other

was from him to me: ‘Why does not the social revolution begin in

England? Why do you not work for the social revolution? Why are you not

destroying Capitalism and establishing the Communist State?” These

_motifs_ interwove, reacted on each other, illuminated each other. The

second brought back the first: “But what are you making of the social

revolution? Are you making a success of it?” And from that we got back

to two again with: “To make it a success the Western world must join in.

Why doesn’t it?”

In the days before 1918 all the Marxist world thought of the social

revolution as an end. The workers of the world were to unite, overthrow

Capitalism, and be happy ever afterwards. But in 1918 the Communists, to

their own surprise, found themselves in control of Russia and challenged

to produce their millennium. They have a colourable excuse for a delay

in the production of a new and better social order in their continuation

of war conditions, in the blockade and so forth, nevertheless it is

clear that they begin to realise the tremendous unpreparedness which the

Marxist methods of thought involve. A hundred points—I have already put

a finger upon one or two of them—they do not know what to do. But the

commonplace Communist simply loses his temper if you venture to doubt

whether everything is being done in precisely the best and most

intelligent way under the new _régime_. He is like a tetchy housewife

who wants you to recognise that everything is in perfect order in the

middle of an eviction. He is like one of those now forgotten

suffragettes who used to promise us an earthly paradise as soon as we

escaped from the tyranny of “man-made laws.” Lenin, on the other hand,

whose frankness must at times leave his disciples breathless, has

recently stripped off the last pretence that the Russian revolution is

anything more than the inauguration of an age of limitless experiment.

“Those who are engaged in the formidable task of overcoming capitalism,”

he has recently written, “must be prepared to try method after method

until they find the one which answers their purpose best.”

We opened our talk with a discussion of the future of the great towns

under Communism. I wanted to see how far Lenin contemplated the dying

out of the towns in Russia. The desolation of Petersburg had brought

home to me a point I had never realised before, that the whole form and

arrangement of a town is determined by shopping and marketing, and that

the abolition of these things renders nine-tenths of the buildings in an

ordinary town directly or indirectly unmeaning and useless. “The towns

will get very much smaller,” he admitted. “They will be different. Yes,

quite different.” That, I suggested, implied a tremendous task. It meant

the scrapping of the existing towns and their replacement. The churches

and great buildings of Petersburg would become presently like those of

Novgorod the Great or like the temples of Paestum. Most of the town

would dissolve away. He agreed quite cheerfully. I think it warmed his

heart to find someone who understood a necessary consequence of

collectivism that many even of his own people fail to grasp. Russia has

to be rebuilt fundamentally, has to become a new thing....

And industry has to be reconstructed—as fundamentally?

Did I realise what was already in hand with Russia? The electrification

of Russia?

For Lenin, who like a good orthodox Marxist denounces all “Utopians,”

has succumbed at last to a Utopia, the Utopia of the electricians. He is

throwing all his weight into a scheme for the development of great power

stations in Russia to serve whole provinces with light, with transport,

and industrial power. Two experimental districts he said had already

been electrified. Can one imagine a more courageous project in a vast

flat land of forests and illiterate peasants, with no water power, with

no technical skill available, and with trade and industry at the last

gasp? Projects for such an electrification are in process of development

in Holland and they have been discussed in England, and in those

densely-populated and industrially highly-developed centres one can

imagine them as successful, economical, and altogether beneficial. But

their application to Russia is an altogether greater strain upon the

constructive imagination. I cannot see anything of the sort happening in

this dark crystal of Russia, but this little man at the Kremlin can; he

sees the decaying railways replaced by a new electric transport, sees

new roadways spreading throughout the land, sees a new and happier

Communist industrialism arising again. While I talked to him he almost

persuaded me to share his vision.

“And you will go on to these things with the peasants rooted in your

soil?”

But not only are the towns to be rebuilt; every agricultural landmark is

to go.

“Even now,” said Lenin, “all the agricultural production of Russia is

not peasant production. We have, in places, large scale agriculture. The

Government is already running big estates with workers instead of

peasants, where conditions are favourable. That can spread. It can be

extended first to one province, then another. The peasants in the other

provinces, selfish and illiterate, will not know what is happening until

their turn comes....”

It may be difficult to defeat the Russian peasant _en masse_; but in

detail there is no difficulty at all. At the mention of the peasant

Lenin’s head came nearer to mine; his manner became confidential. As if

after all the peasant _might_ overhear.

It is not only the material organisation of society you have to build, I

argued, it is the mentality of a whole people. The Russian people are by

habit and tradition traders and individualists; their very souls must be

remoulded if this new world is to be achieved. Lenin asked me what I had

seen of the educational work afoot. I praised some of the things I had

seen. He nodded and smiled with pleasure. He has an unshaken confidence

in his work.

“But these are only sketches and beginnings,” I said.

“Come back and see what we have done in Russia in ten years’ time,” he

answered.

In him I realised that Communism could after all, in spite of Marx, be

enormously creative. After the tiresome class-war fanatics I had been

encountering among the Communists, men of formulæ as sterile as flints,

after numerous experiences of the trained and empty conceit of the

common Marxist devotee, this amazing little man, with his frank

admission of the immensity and complication of the project of Communism

and his simple concentration upon its realisation, was very refreshing.

He at least has a vision of a world changed over and planned and built

afresh.

He wanted more of my Russian impressions. I told him that I thought that

in many directions, and more particularly in the Petersburg Commune,

Communism was pressing too hard and too fast, and destroying before it

was ready to rebuild. They had broken down trading before they were

ready to ration; the co-operative organisation had been smashed up

instead of being utilised, and so on. That brought us to our essential

difference, the difference of the Collectivist and Marxist, the question

whether the social revolution is, in its extremity, necessary, whether

it is necessary to overthrow one social and economic system completely

before the new one can begin. I believe that through a vast sustained

educational campaign the existing Capitalist system could be _civilised_

into a Collectivist world system; Lenin on the other hand tied himself

years ago to the Marxist dogmas of the inevitable class war, the

downfall of Capitalist order as a prelude to reconstruction, the

proletarian dictatorship, and so forth. He had to argue, therefore, that

modern Capitalism is incurably predatory, wasteful, and unteachable, and

that until it is destroyed it will continue to exploit the human

heritage stupidly and aimlessly, that it will fight against and prevent

any administration of national resources for the general good, and that

it will inevitably make wars.

I had, I will confess, a very uphill argument. He suddenly produced

Chiozza Money’s new book, _The Triumph of Nationalisation_, which he had

evidently been reading very carefully. “But you see directly you begin

to have a good working collectivist organisation of any public interest,

the Capitalists smash it up again. They smashed your national shipyards;

they won’t let you work your coal economically.” He tapped the book. “It

is all here.”

And against my argument that wars sprang from nationalist imperialism

and not from a Capitalist organisation of society he suddenly brought:

“But what do you think of this new Republican Imperialism that comes to

us from America?”

Here Mr. Rothstein intervened in Russian with an objection that Lenin

swept aside.

And regardless of Mr. Rothstein’s plea for diplomatic reserve, Lenin

proceeded to explain the projects with which one American at least was

seeking to dazzle the imagination of Moscow. There was to be economic

assistance for Russia and recognition of the Bolshevik Government. There

was to be a defensive alliance against Japanese aggression in Siberia.

There was to be an American naval station on the coast of Asia, and

leases for long terms of sixty or fifty years of the natural resources

of Khamchatka and possibly of other large regions of Russian Asia. Well,

did I think that made for peace? Was it anything more than the beginning

of a new world scramble? How would the British Imperialists like this

sort of thing?

[Illustration:

LENIN.

Behind him stands Gorky: to the right of Gorky (_i.e._ on his left)

are Zorin (_hat_) and Zenovieff. Behind with cigarette is Radek.

]

But some industrial power had to come in and help Russia, I said. She

cannot reconstruct now without such help....

Our multifarious argumentation ended indecisively. We parted warmly, and

I and my companion were filtered out of the Kremlin through one barrier

after another in much the same fashion as we had been filtered in.

“He is wonderful,” said Mr. Rothstein. “But it was an indiscretion——”

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