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MARGARET AND HER FRIENDS

OR

Ten Conversations

WITH

MARGARET FULLER

UPON

THE MYTHOLOGY OF THE GREEKS AND

ITS EXPRESSION IN ART

HELD AT THE HOUSE OF THE REV. GEORGE RIPLEY

BEDFORD PLACE, BOSTON

_BEGINNING MARCH 1, 1841_

REPORTED BY CAROLINE W. HEALEY

BOSTON

ROBERTS BROTHERS

1895

_Copyright, 1895_,

BY ROBERTS BROTHERS.

_All rights reserved._

University Press:

JOHN WILSON AND SON, CAMBRIDGE, U.S.A.

TABLE OF CONTENTS.

PAGE

PREFACE 5

MEMBERS OF THE CLASS 17

I. GENERAL MYTHOLOGICAL STATEMENT 25

II. GENERAL STATEMENT CONTINUED. R. W. E. PRESENT[1] 40

III. STORY FROM NOVALIS. APOLLO 60

IV. MINERVA. THE SERPENT 77

V. VENUS AND PSYCHE. R. W. E. PRESENT 95

VI. CUPID AND PSYCHE. MARGARET, AND ELISABETH HOAR 106

VII. PLUTO AND TARTARUS 123

VIII. MERCURY AND ORPHEUS. R. W. E. PRESENT 135

IX. HERMES AND ORPHEUS 147

X. BACCHUS AND THE DEMIGODS 156

PREFACE.

In 1839, Margaret Fuller, delicate in health and much overtaxed,

consented to gratify many who loved her by opening in Boston a series of

“Conversations for Women.” In a Circular quoted by Emerson, she says to

Mrs. Sophia Ripley:—

“Could a circle be assembled in earnest, desirous to answer the

questions, ‘What were we born to do?’ and ‘How shall we do it?’

I should think the undertaking a noble one.”

This was certainly the original intent of the famous “Fuller

Conversations,” which, beginning then, were continued at intervals,

until Margaret left Boston for New York in 1844.

It seems a little singular, therefore, to find her writing to Ralph Waldo

Emerson of this series, Nov. 25, 1839, as follows:—

“The first day’s topic was the genealogy of Heaven and Earth;

then the Will or Jupiter; the Understanding, Mercury: the

second day’s, The celestial inspiration of Genius, perception

and transmission of Divine Law; Apollo the terrene inspiration,

Bacchus the impassioned abandonment. Of the thunderbolt, the

caduceus, the ray and the grape, having disposed as well as

might be, we came to the wave and the sea-shell it moulds to

beauty....

“I assure you, there is more Greek than Bostonian spoken at the

meetings!”

Under the forms suggested by Mythology, Margaret proceeded to open all

the great questions of life. In a literary sense, she distinctly stated

that she knew little about the doings on Olympus, nor had she received

any help from German critical works,—of which at the present day she

would have found many.

These Conversations owed their attraction first to the absolute novelty

of her theme to many of those she addressed, and still more to the

variety and freshness of her own treatment. The opening, at the Boston

Athenæum, of the splendid collection of casts presented by Thomas

Handasyd Perkins, and many private collections of pictures, engravings,

gems, and miniature casts, had interested her intensely, and both mind

and fancy were absorbed in the contemplation of their themes. In these

Conversations she depicted what she had gained from Art, rather than

the little that she had acquired through study. If I may judge from

a later experience, her Latin studies rather injured than developed

her brilliant fancies. She never could remember what she had said,

never could repeat a brilliant saying, and, if obliged to read any

illustration, read it, as all her friends admitted, very badly. From a

statement made to Emerson, I quote the following:—

“Her mood applied itself to the mood of her companion, point

to point, in the most limber, sinuous, vital way; ... and this

sympathy she had for all persons indifferently.”

The communication of which the above is a sample I have always read with

amazement, for I never knew a person of whom it would seem less true.

When conversing with one sympathetic person, it was undoubtedly true;

when resting upon the affection and loyalty of her young women,—a most

gifted and extraordinary circle,—it was doubtless equally so; but when

the class of March, 1841, was formed, a very different aspect of herself

appeared.

The fame of her “talks” had spread. She had great need of money, and some

of the gentlemen who were accustomed to talk with her, and some of the

ladies of her day-class, suggested an evening class, to be composed of

both ladies and gentlemen, and to meet at the house of the Rev. George

Ripley in Bedford Place. Ten Conversations were to be held, and the

tickets of admission cost twenty dollars each, a very high price for

that time. It was in the book-room of Elisabeth Peabody that I first

heard them discussed. I was very young to join such a circle; and when

she invited me, Elisabeth had more regard, I think, to Margaret’s purse,

than to my fitness for the company. But it was a great opportunity. The

members were full of excitement over the projected opening of Brook

Farm. All were in good spirits, and bright sayings ran back and forth.

I had been carefully trained in the Art of Reporting, and at that time

made careful abstracts on the following day of any lecture that had

interested me. In these I trusted to my memory. It was not possible to

do this with the Conversations; so I invented a sort of short-hand, and

carried note-book and pencil with me. I sat a little out of sight that I

might not embarrass Margaret, but Elisabeth Peabody and Mrs. Farrar found

me out. Elisabeth wrote what she called an abstract, every night; but an

examination of her abstracts quoted by Mr. Emerson shows that what she

wrote was not what any one said, but the impression made upon her own

mind by it. These abstracts she always read to me, the next morning. I

wrote out my short-hand notes before breakfast and carried them down to

her about noon. I greatly enjoyed listening to her papers, and she was so

absorbed in them that she often forgot to ask for mine, which was a great

relief to me.

So far as I know, these Reports of mine are the only attempt ever made

deliberately to represent these or any of Margaret’s “Conversations”

word for word. Of course, much was omitted as not worth recording, nor

did I ever write down anything that I could not understand. Many of the

members I knew intimately, and fell naturally into writing of them by

initials and first names, as they always spoke to and of each other. At

times I fell back into the Mr., Mrs., or Miss, which was my own habit.

It is well to call those we love by any name they will permit, but the

familiar habit of the Transcendental circle was full of social peril to

the younger members, who, conceiving it a proof of genius, followed it,

when its origin was forgotten, and were much misunderstood in consequence

in later years.

I offer the Reports exactly as they were written. I should like to alter

them in several small ways if I could do it honestly. We met to discuss

Grecian Mythology as interpreted to Margaret’s mind by Art; but Latin and

Greek names were used as if they were synonymous, and Latin poems were

quoted, as well as Greek traditions. This confused my mind then, and does

still. Athene and Minerva, Zeus and Jupiter, are by no means the same

persons to me, Art or no Art.

It may be thought by those who cannot remember the persons who enacted

this little drama, or by those who do remember and know well how very

distinguished a company this was, that I should have eliminated my own

reflections, and dropped out of the story.

This would I think have been greatly unjust to Margaret, who never

enjoyed this mixed class, and considered it a failure so far as her own

power was concerned. She and Mr. Emerson met like Pyramus and Thisbe,

a blank wall between. With Mr. Alcott she had no patience, and no one

of the class seemed to understand how sincere and deep was her interest

in the theme. In no way was Margaret’s supremacy so evident as in the

impulse she gave to the minds of younger women.

It was the wish of Margaret’s mother and brothers, as it is also the

wish of her surviving relatives, that I should print these pages. After

Arthur’s death, Richard Fuller undertook to carry out a plan to which

both had agreed, and which Margaret’s mother had greatly at heart.

They desired that I should write a simple, straightforward account of

Margaret, including her residence in Italy, her marriage, the birth

of her child, and her death. This they intended to print at their own

expense, and they thought it might be so written as to put an end to many

absurd and painful rumors which had followed the publication of the first

Memoir. That I might prepare for this, all Margaret’s manuscripts were in

my custody for more than a year. The completion of the work was prevented

by Richard Fuller’s unexpected death. No surviving member of the family

was able to carry out his intention.

I still have in my possession the estimate of his sister’s character

which Richard made for my use.

I should like to add, that the scholar will see that the stories from

Apuleius and Novalis do not exactly correspond to the originals. They

were reported exactly as they were told.

CAROLINE HEALEY DALL.

Sept. 1, 1895, WASHINGTON, D. C.

A LIST OF PERSONS ATTENDING THE CLASS NAMED IN THIS REPORT.

_About thirty persons usually attended._

GEORGE RIPLEY. The well-known clergyman, settled over a

Unitarian church in Purchase St., Boston, afterward the

President of the Association at Brook Farm, and later literary

editor of the New York “Tribune.”

SOPHIA DANA RIPLEY, his wife.

ELISABETH PALMER PEABODY. A woman of remarkable accumulations

of learning, and as remarkable a breadth of sympathy. She

was a teacher,—an enthusiastic advocate of the Kindergarten,

and opened at No. 13 West St., Boston, a foreign Circulating

Library, which soon became a sort of Literary Exchange of the

greatest use to New England. Her own great powers did not

accomplish all they ought, because it was impossible for her to

apply them systematically.

FREDERICK HENRY HEDGE. The well-known German and ecclesiastical

scholar, whose remarkable scholarship and character have not

yet received the commemoration they deserve. He was at this

time settled over the church in Bangor, Maine.

JAMES FREEMAN CLARKE. Already the pastor of the Church of the

Disciples, in Boston, and preaching at Amory Hall. The outline

of his lovely and useful life is preserved in a memoir by the

Rev. E. E. Hale, D.D.

RALPH WALDO EMERSON. The Concord philosopher.

MRS. FARRAR, born Rotch, the wife of the Harvard Professor of

Physical Science and Mathematics.

FRANCIS G. SHAW. The son of a well-known Boston merchant, to

be honored through all time as the father of Colonel Robert G.

Shaw, who was buried where he fell, with the negroes whom he

died to free.

MRS. SARAH B. SHAW, his wife.

ANN WILBY CLARKE, wife of a Boston bank-officer and the oldest

member of an English family of Wilbys, nearly every member of

which was at some time a teacher in Boston or its neighborhood.

MRS. JONATHAN RUSSELL of Milton, widow of the U. S. Minister

to Sweden (1814-1818), residing on the old Governor Hutchinson

place at Milton, and

MISS IDA RUSSELL, her daughter.

WILLIAM WHITE. The brother of the first wife of James Russell

Lowell, who was killed by a fall from the bluff at Milwaukee in

1856.

WILLIAM W. STORY. Sculptor, poet, and lawyer, and well known as

a contributor to Blackwood. Still living.

CAROLINE STURGIS, daughter of William Sturgis of

Boston,—married later to Mr. Tappan,—a most gifted and charming

creature.

MRS. ANNA BARKER WARD, wife of S. G. Ward, now living in

Washington.

JONES VERY of Salem. A Transcendental poet.

ELISABETH HOAR was the daughter of Samuel Hoar of Concord,

Mass., and of Sarah, the daughter of Roger Sherman of

Connecticut. Elisabeth was not the least gifted of her very

gifted family. One brother, recently deceased, was President

Grant’s first Attorney-General; another is the well-known

Senator from Massachusetts to the Congress of the United

States; and a third, Edward Sherman Hoar, was distinguished

as a scholar and botanist. To great intellectual gifts,

Elisabeth added personal loveliness and a saintly serenity of

character. She was betrothed to Charles Emerson (a brother of

Ralph Waldo Emerson), who died of sudden illness just before

the time appointed for their marriage. He was also a rarely

gifted person, and after his death his family transferred their

tenderest affection to Elisabeth. The reader of the various

Lives of Emerson will see that she is often mentioned, and

several of Emerson’s letters are addressed to her. Had she

chosen to devote herself to literature, she would have been

greatly distinguished. The Life of Mrs. Ripley of Waltham,

written for “The Women of Our First Century,” and published

by a committee appointed at the Centennial Exhibition in

Philadelphia, was written by her. She died in 1878.

A. BRONSON ALCOTT of Concord. A memoir of him has been written

by the Hon. F. B. Sanborn of Concord, assisted by Wm. T. Harris.

W. MACK. A gentleman of great ability, who taught a school

in Belmont. His daughter was the first wife of Stillman, the

artist. The family is, I think, extinct, unless Mrs. Stillman

left a daughter.

SOPHIA PEABODY. A younger sister of E. P. P., afterwards Mrs.

Nathaniel Hawthorne.

MARIANNE JACKSON. A lovely, beloved, and accomplished woman,

who died early. She was the daughter of Judge Charles Jackson,

one of the soundest jurists who ever sat on a Massachusetts

bench,—the sister of Mrs. Oliver Wendell Holmes, of Mrs.

Charles C. Paine, and the aunt, I believe, of Mr. John T. Morse.

I have reserved for the last the name of the only sound Greek scholar

among us: Charles Wheeler.

CHARLES STEARNS WHEELER. Born in Lincoln, near Concord, Dec.

19, 1816, of H. U. 1837, distinguished as a Greek scholar from

whom much was expected. To economize in order to pursue his

Greek studies he built a shanty at Walden, which is said to

have served as a suggestion to Thoreau. He went to Germany

directly after these Conversations, and died suddenly of fever

at Leipzig, in the summer of 1843. His death was a great

grief and a great shock. I have not forgotten the sensation

it produced. Beloved and honored by all who knew him, the

community of scholars was especially bereaved. To this day, I

am able to trust fearlessly to any information obtained from

him.

“_Only a signal shown, and a distant voice in the darkness._”—LONGFELLOW.

MARGARET AND HER FRIENDS.

I.

_Monday Evening, March 1, 1841._

Margaret opened the conversation by a beautiful sketch of the origin of

Mythology. The Greeks she thought borrowed their Gods from the Hindus and

Egyptians, but they idealized their personifications to a far greater

extent. The Hindus dwelt in the All, the Infinite, which the Greeks

analyzed and to some degree humanized. All things sprang from Cœlus and

Terra.,—that is, from Heaven and Earth, or spirit and matter. Rhea, or

the Productive Energy, and Saturn, or Time, were the children of Cœlus

and Terra. The progress of any people is marked by its mythi. Mythology

is only the history of the development of the Infinite in the Finite.

Saturn devoured his own children until the disappointed Rhea put a

stone (or obstacle) in his way, and she succeeded in raising Jupiter.

The development of human faculties was slow, therefore Time seemed to

absorb all that Productive Energy brought forth, until Energy itself

created obstacles; and of these was born the Indomitable Will. Jupiter

represented that Will, and usurped the rule of Time, fighting with the

low and sensual passions, represented by the Titans and the Giants,

until he seated himself securely on the Olympian Throne, the Father of

the Gods. This Will was not in itself the highest development of either

Beauty, Genius, Wisdom, or Thought; but such developments were subject to

it, were its children.

Juno is only the feminine form of this Indomitable Will. By herself

she is inferior to it, and whenever she opposes it, loses the game.

Vulcan, her child, is Mechanic Art, great in itself to be sure, but not

comparable to the Perfect Wisdom, or Minerva, which sprang ready armed

from the masculine Will. _She_ was greater than her Father, but still his

child.

Neptune, who raises always a “placid head above the waves,” represents

the flow of thought,—all-embracing, girdling in the world, Diana and

Apollo, or Purity and Genius.

Mercury is Genius in the extrinsic, of eloquence, human understanding,

and expression. All were the embodiments of Absolute Ideas, of ideas

that had no origin,—that were eternal. Love brooded over Chaos; and the

perfect Beauty and Love, represented among the Greeks by Venus and her

son, rose from the turbid elements. It is singular that even the ancients

should have maintained the pre-existence of Love. It was before Order,

Men, or the Gods men worshipped. The fable suggests the truth,—Infinite

Love and Beauty always was. It is only with their development in finite

beings that History has to do.

Here MARGARET recapitulated. The Indomitable Will had dethroned Time,

and, acting with Productive Energy,—variously represented at different

times by Isis, Rhea, Ceres, Persephone, and so on,—had driven back the

sensual passions to the bowels of the earth, while it produced Perfect

Wisdom, Genius, Beauty, and Love, results which were more excellent if

not more powerful than their Cause.

To understand this Mythology, we must denationalize ourselves, and throw

the mind back to the consideration of Greek Art, Literature, and Poesy.

It is only scanty justice that my pen can render to Margaret’s eloquent

talk.

FRANK SHAW asked her how she imagined these personifications to have

suggested themselves in that barbarous age.

MARGARET objected to the word _barbarous_. She believed that in the age

of Plato the human intellect reached a point as elevated in some respects

as any it had ever touched.

But the Gods were not the product of that age, but of another far

more remote, FRANK objected. Was not the infinity of Hindu conception

impaired, when the Greeks attributed to the Gods the duties, passions,

and criminal indulgences of men?

MRS. RIPLEY said that the virtue of the Hindu lay in contemplation. If a

man had seen _God_, he was exempt from the ordinary obligations of life,

and allowed to pass his life in quiet adoration.

MARGARET added that the Greek knew better than that. _He_ felt the

necessity of developing the Infinite through action, and embodied this

necessity in his art and poesy as well as in his myths.

FRANK seemed still to think that in losing the adoring contemplation of

the Hindu, and bringing their deities to the human level, the Greeks had

taken one step down.

E. P. P. had always thought it had been a step _up_, and ANN CLARKE

thought that the Greeks forgot themselves, merged all remembrance of the

Finite, in realizing the individual forces of the Infinite.

WILLIAM WHITE, who had not waded very far into the stream, thought the

North American Indian’s worship of the Manitou purer than the Greek

worship, for the very reason that the Indian ascribed to his Manitou no

passion that had degraded humanity.

MARGARET said that the Indian propitiated his God by vile deeds, by

ignoble treacheries and revenge. So the Hindu throws her child into the

Ganges, and an ecstatic crowd falls before the car of Juggernaut.

I thought a good deal, but did not speak. Did not William’s question

grow out of the simple Unity of the Indian worship? But the Indian does

not worship the Manitou because he recognizes a single First Cause,

comprehending in itself all beauty, wisdom, purity, and truth, but

because his heart is naturally lifted toward an unknown something,

which he has hardly yet considered as a Cause. The Greek recognized the

abstract forces of the Universe, but did not perceive their Unity, and

so personified them separately.

E. P. P. suggested that the Indian had no literature, and had left no

record of his Olympus!

MARGARET added that, if we compare the Indian Elysium with the Greek, the

difference in spirituality is perceived at once.

HENRY HEDGE said that Frank Shaw talked about Greek mythi, but nobody

could show a purely Greek mythos.

FRANK replied that he only meant that when the Greek mind had acted on a

myth, it had not refined it.

MARGARET added that it was a vulgar notion that the Poets of Greece

created her Gods; that the Poets were objective, and could give only

humanized representations of them.

HENRY HEDGE thought that there was a point to which philosophy aided and

prompted the creative power, but, that point passed, rather checked its

action. Analysis took the place of the objective tendency.

Well! said WILLIAM WHITE, would not the human mind, aided only by

culture, be incapable of any better idea than Frank Shaw suggested? Must

not revelation complete the work?

MARGARET said that the answer to his question would be determined by

his understanding of the word “revelation.” _She_ could not believe in

a God who had ever left himself without a witness in the world. As soon

as the human mind and will were ready, there was always some great Truth

waiting to be submitted to their united action, until it was worn out.

The beautiful Greek era had been succeeded by a period of inaction; the

Roman era by another, and so on. She was sorry we had wandered from our

subject so far as to doubt her very premises!

FRANK said, everything rested on those premises; so he thought that the

ideals of beauty, love, justice, and truth should be referred to the

Infinite Mind, and not to the Greek.

I wonder where he was when Margaret told about the Love which “was”

before Order!

HENRY HEDGE said that Culture was the Mediator between the Finite and the

Infinite.

JAMES FREEMAN CLARKE, alluding to Mr. Hedge’s previous remark upon the

growth of philosophy, and the loss of the creative power, said that if

that were a fact, it greatly diminished the probability of the birth

of pure Genius into the world. Plato wrote when philosophy was at the

turning point.

MARGARET said that there were many proofs in Plato that the philosophers

understood the personifications of the mythi. She thought that the gods,

the demigods, and the heroes of mythology represented distinct classes,

and that this was not sufficiently remembered. She referred to the story

of the burning of Hercules in Ovid, where Jupiter calls Juno to see how

well his son endures!

WILLIAM WHITE said that he thought the idea of Deity was degraded when

the Greeks changed a hero into a god; but if Culture be a Mediator, would

not Plato have been greater had he been born into the nineteenth century?

JAMES F. CLARKE said Platos were impossible now.

MARGARET agreed, and said that the pride of knowledge which he would

find in the world should he appear, would be a greater obstacle than

superstition once was.

Did somebody say a little while ago that Will indomitable was born of

obstacle?

MARGARET told William White that Coleridge had once said that he could

neither measure nor understand Plato’s ignorance! His mind had not

reached that altitude!

HENRY HEDGE, not willing to forego the possible birth of Genius, asked if

all the experience and discovery with which the world had been enriched

since Plato’s time would not furnish enough for the new-comer to act upon?

MARGARET replied that the mind could not receive unless excited. She must

go through all the intellectual experience of a Plato, to be as great

as he; but she might stand upon the general or even her own intuitive

recognition of the truths he had advanced, and go forward to greater

results,—but still that would not be to make herself greater.

But, said MRS. RIPLEY, in the first case you would be nothing _but_ Plato.

MARGARET acceded, but begged not to be understood as doubting that the

future would be capable of finer things than the past.

The ideal significance of the Mythology was further dwelt upon, and

much was said of the contrast between the thought of the priest and the

worship of the people. It was acknowledged as a matter of course, that

only a few preserved any consciousness of the original significance of

the Mythology.

HENRY HEDGE thought that this was the true key to the purpose of the

Eleusinian mysteries, whether in Egypt where they originated, or in

Greece where they were introduced. Through them, all who chose became

initiated into the interior meaning of the Mythology.

CHARLES WHEELER added, that in the flourishing times of the Athenian

Republic every citizen was compelled to initiate himself.

MARGARET closed our talk with a gentle reproof to our wandering wits. To

prevent such desultory prattling, she desired that a subject should be

proposed for the next evening. The story of Ceres or Rhea, in fact the

Productive Energy however manifested, carried general favor, and Margaret

said archly that she had thought the presence of gentlemen (who had never

until now attended one of her talks) would prevent the wandering and keep

us free from prejudice!

I thought she was rightly disappointed.

I cannot recall the words, but at some time this evening Margaret

distinguished three mythological dynasties. The first was the reign of

the Natural Powers. The second, represented by Jupiter, Pluto, and

Neptune, stood for the height, the depth, and the surface or flow of

things, the first manifestations of human consciousness. The third was

the Bacchic, Bacchus not being yet, in her estimation, the vulgar God of

the wine-vat and the festival, but the inspired Genius,—being to Apollo,

as she said, what the nectar is to the grape.

CAROLINE W. HEALEY.

March 2, 1841.

II.

_March 8, 1841._

Margaret recapitulated the statements she made last week. By thus giving

to each fabled Deity its place in the scheme of Mythology, she did not

mean to ignore the enfolding ideas, the one thought developed in all—as

in Rhea, Bacchus, Pan. She would only imply that each personification

was individual, served a particular purpose, and was worshipped in a

particular way.

Before proceeding to talk about Ceres, she wished to remind us of the

mischief of wandering from our subject. She hoped the ground she offered

would be accepted _at least to talk about_! Certainly no one could deny

that a mythos was the last and best growth of a national mind, and that

in this case the characteristics of the Greek mind were best gathered

from this creation.

Ceres, Persephone, and Isis, as well as Rhea, Diana, and so on, seem

to be only modifications of one enfolding idea,—a goddess accepted by

all nations, and not peculiar to Greece. The pilgrimages of the more

prominent of these goddesses, Ceres and Isis, seem to indicate the life

which loses what is dear in childhood, to seek in weary pain for what

after all can be but half regained. Ceres regained her daughter, but only

for half the year. Isis found her husband, but dismembered. This era in

Mythology seems to mark the progress of a people from an unconscious to

a conscious state. Persephone’s periodical exile shows the impossibility

of resuming an unconsciousness from which we have been once aroused, the

need thought has, having once felt the influence of the Seasons, to

retire into itself.

CHARLES WHEELER reminded Margaret that she had said that the predominant

goddesses, without reference to Greece, enfolded only one idea, that of

the female _Will_ or _Genius_,—_the bounteous giver_. He had asked her

if she could sustain herself by etymological facts, and she replied that

her knowledge of the Greek was not critical enough. Since then he had

inquired into the origin of the proper names of the Greek deities, and

found that it confirmed her impression. The names of Rhea, Tellus, Isis,

and Diana were resolvable into one, and the difference in their etymology

was only a common and permissible change in the position of the letters

of which they are composed, or a mere provincial dialectic change. Diana

is the same as Dione, also one of the names of Juno.

E. P. P. asked if Homer ever confounded the last two? MARGARET thought

not. Homer was purely objective. He knew little and cared less about the

primitive creation of the myths.

R. W. EMERSON thought it would be very difficult to detect this secret.

Jupiter, for instance, might have been a man who was the exponent of Will

to his race.

MARGARET said, “No; they could have deduced him just as easily from

Nature herself, or from a single exhibition of will power.”

R. W. EMERSON said that a man like Napoleon would easily have suggested

it.

“What a God-send is a Napoleon!” exclaimed CHARLES WHEELER; “let us pray

for scores of such, that a new and superior mythos may arise for us!” Is

it malicious to suspect a subtle irony turned against the sacred person

of R. W. E. in this speech?

MARGARET retorted indignantly that if they came, _we_ should do nothing

better than write memoirs of their hats, coats, and swords, as we had

done already, without thinking of any lesson they might teach. She could

not see why we were not content to take the beautiful Greek mythi as they

were, without troubling ourselves about those which might arise for us!

R. W. E. acknowledged that the Greeks had a quicker perception of the

beautiful than we. Their genius lay in the material expression of it. If

we knew the real meaning of the names of their Deities, the story would

take to flight. We should have only the working of abstract ideas as we

might adjust them for ourselves.

MARGARET said that a fable was more than a mere word. It was a word of

the purest kind rather, the passing of thought into form. R. W. E. had

made no allowance for time or space or climate, and there was a want of

truth in that. The age of the Greeks was the age of Poetry; ours was the

age of Analysis. _We_ could not create a Mythology.

EMERSON asked, “Why not? We had still better material.”

MARGARET said, irrelevantly as it seemed to me, that Carlyle had

attempted to deduce new principles from present history, and that was the

reason he did not _respect_ the _respectable_.

EMERSON said Carlyle was unfortunate in his figures, but we might have

mythology as beautiful as the Greek.

MARGARET thought each age of the world had its own work to do. The

transition of thought into form marked the Greek period. It was most

easily done through fable, on account of their intense perception of

beauty.

EMERSON pursued his own train of thought. He seemed to forget that we

had come together to pursue Margaret’s. He said it was impossible that

men or events should _stand out_ in a population of twenty millions as

they could from a population of a single million, to which the whole

population of the ancient world could hardly have amounted. As Hercules

stood to Greece, no modern man could ever stand in relation to his own

world.

MARGARET thought Hercules and Jupiter quite different creations. The

first _might_ have been a deified life. The second could not.

CHARLES WHEELER said that R. W. E.’s view carried no historical

obligation of belief with it. We could not deny the heroic origin of the

Greek demigods, but the highest dynasty was the exponent of translated

thought.

SOPHIA RIPLEY asked if the life of an individual fitly interwoven

with her experience was not as fine a Poem as the story of Ceres, her

wanderings and her tears? Did not Margaret know such lives?

R. W. E. thought every man had probably met his Jupiter, Juno, Minerva,

Venus, or Ceres in society!

MARGARET was sure she never had!

R. W. E. explained: “Not in the world, but each on his own platform.”

WILLIAM STORY objected. The life of an individual was not universal. (!)

SOPHIA RIPLEY repeated, “The inner life.”

WILLIAM STORY claimed to be an individual, and did not think individual

experience could ever meet all minds,—like the story of Ceres, for

example.

SOPHIA said all experience was universal.

I said nothing, but held this colloquy with myself. Thought is the best

of human nature; its fulness urges expression: its need of being met, not

only by _one_ other but by every other, _craves_ it. This craving is the

acknowledgment of the universal experience. What is _purely_ individual

is perishable. _Identity_ is to be separated from individuality for this

cause.

MARGARET said the element of beauty would be wanting to our creations. A

fine emotion glowed through features which seem to fall like a soft veil

over the soul, while it could scarce do more than animate those that were

obtuse and coarse in every outline. (!)

“Then,” said WILLIAM STORY, and my heart thanked the _preux

chevalier_,—“then something is wanting in the emotion itself.”

WILLIAM WHITE said, stupidly, that sunlight could not fall with equal

charm on rocks and the green grass. (!)

I asked if the rock could not give what it did not receive? Flung back by

rugged points and relieved by dark shadows, was not the sunlight itself

transfigured?

STORY said every face had its own beauty. No act that was natural could

be ungraceful.

EMERSON said that we all did sundry graceful acts, in our caps and

tunics, which we never could do again, which we never wanted to do again.

MARGARET said, at last we had touched the point. We could not restore

the childhood of the world, but could we not admire this simple plastic

period, and gather from it some notion of the Greek genius?

R. W. E. thought this legitimate. He would have it that we could not

determine the origin of a mythos, but we might fulfil Miss Fuller’s

intention.

MARGARET said history reconciled us to life, by showing that man had

redeemed himself. Genius needed that encouragement.

Not _Genius_, SOPHIA RIPLEY thought; common natures needed it, but Genius

was self-supported.

MARGARET said it might be the consolation of Genius.

MRS. RUSSELL asked why Miss Fuller found so much fault with the present.

MARGARET _had_ no fault to find with it. She took facts as they were.

Every age did something toward fulfilling the cycle of mind. The work of

the Greeks was not ours.

SOPHIA RIPLEY asked if the mythology had been a prophecy of the Greek

mind to itself, or if the nation had experienced life in any wide or deep

sense.

MARGARET seemed a little out of patience, and no wonder! She said it did

not matter which. The question was, what could _we find_ in the mythi,

and what did the Greeks mean that we should find there. Coleridge once

said that certain people were continually saying of Shakespeare, that he

did not mean to impart certain spiritual meanings to some of his sketches

of life and character; but if Shakespeare did not mean it his Genius did:

so if the Greeks meant not this or that, the Greek genius meant it.

In relation to the progress of the ages, JAMES F. CLARKE said that the

story of Persephone concealed in the bowels of the earth for half the

year seemed to him to indicate something of their comparative states.

Persephone was the seed which must return to earth before it could

fructify. Thought must retire into itself before it can be regenerate.

MARGARET was pleased with this, more especially as in the story of

the Goddess it is eating the pomegranate, whose seed is longest in

germinating, which dooms her to the realm of Pluto.

GEORGE RIPLEY remarked that we saw this need of withdrawal in the

slothful ages when mind seemed to be imbibing energy for future action.

The world sometimes forsook a quest and returned to it. We had forsaken

Beauty, but we might return to it.

Certainly, MARGARET assented. A perfect mind would detect all beauty

in the hearth-rug at her feet: the meanest part of creation contained

the whole; but the labor we were now at to appreciate the Greek proved

conclusively that _we_ were not Greek. A simple plastic nature would

take it all in with delight, without doubt or question.

Or rather, amended EMERSON, would take it up and go forward with it.

It makes no difference, said MARGARET, for we live in a circle.

I did not think it pleasant to track and retrack the same arc, and

preferred to go forward with R. W. E., so I asked if there was to be no

_higher_ poetry.

MARGARET acknowledged that there was something beyond the aspiration of

the Egyptian or the poetry of the Greek.

GEORGE RIPLEY thought we had not lost all reverence for these abstract

forces. The Eleusinian mysteries might be forgotten, but not Ceres. We

did not worship in ignorance. The mysteries led back to the Infinite. The

processes of vegetation were actually heart-rending! Here, _I_ thought,

was a basis for my higher poetry.

GEORGE RIPLEY acknowledged that it was so. He seemed to be more conscious

of the movement of the world than any of our party. He said we must not

measure creation by Boston and Washington, as we were too apt to do.

There was still France, Germany, and Prussia,—perhaps Russia! The work of

this generation was not religious nor poetic; still, there was a tendency

to go back to both. There were to be ultraisms, but also, he hoped,

consistent development.

CHARLES WHEELER then related the story of Isis, of her hovering in the

form of a swallow round the tree in which the sarcophagus of Osiris had

been enclosed by Typhon; of her being allowed to fell the tree; of the

odor emitted by the royal maidens whom she touched, which revealed her

Divinity to the Queen; of the second loss of the body, as she returned

home, and its final dismemberment.

There was little success in spiritualizing more of this story than the

pilgrimage, and R. W. E. seemed to feel this; for when MARGARET had

remarked that even a divine force must become as the birds of the air

to compass its ends, and that it was in the carelessness of conscious

success that the second loss occurred, he said that it was impossible to

detect an inner sense in all these stories.

MARGARET replied, that she had not attempted that, but she could see it

in all the prominent points.

CHARLES WHEELER said that the varieties of anecdote proved that the

stories were not all authentic. It was an ancient custom to strike off

medals in honor of certain acts of the Gods. To these graven pictures the

common people gave their own vulgar interpretations, as they did also to

the bas-reliefs on their temples and monuments.

E. P. P. said this accounted for many of the stories transmitted by

Homer. When sculpture and architecture had lost their meaning, his

inventive genius was only the more stimulated to find one.

CHARLES WHEELER asked what Margaret would make of the story that the

tears of Isis frightened children to death?

There was a general laugh, but MARGARET said coolly, that children always

shrank from a baffled hope.

Some one contrasted Persephone with her mother.

MARGARET assented to whatever was said, and added that she had been

particularly struck with it in an engraving she had recently seen, in

which Ceres stood with lifted eyes, full-eyed, matronly, bounteous,

ready to give all to all, while Persephone, dejected and thoughtful,

sat meditating; and the idea was strengthened by her discovering that

Persephone was the same as Ariadne the deserted. I could only guess at

the remark by Margaret’s comment. It seemed to imply baffled hope for

Persephone.

The Eleusinian mysteries were now alluded to. Although it has been said

that only moral precepts were inculcated through these, WHEELER urged

that a whole school of Continental authors now acknowledged that the

higher doctrines of philosophy were taught.

R. W. E. added, that as initiation became more easy such instruction

must have degenerated into a mere matter of form, and many of the

_un_initiated surpass the initiated in wisdom.

MARGARET admitted this. Socrates was one of the uninitiated. The crowd

seldom felt the full force of beauty in Art or Literature. To prove it,

it was only necessary to walk once through the Hall of Sculpture at the

Athenæum, and catch the remarks of any half-dozen on Michael Angelo’s

“Day and Night.” He would be fortunate who heard a single observer

comment on its power.

MRS. RUSSELL asked why the images of the sun and moon were introduced

into these mysterious celebrations.

MARGARET asked impatiently why they had always been invoked by every

child who could string two rhymes together.

I said that if Ceres was the simple _agricultural_ productive energy,

of course the sun was her first minister, its genial influence being as

manifest as the energy itself.

In regard to the etymology of the proper names, it seemed reasonable to

me that this energy should have gained attributes as it did names. Any

nation devoted to the chase would learn to call the lunar deity Diana;

any devoted to the cultivation of grain would project her as Ceres. The

reproductive powers of flocks and herds would suggest Rhea or Juno, and

philosophy or art would invoke Persephone.

When we were talking about beauty, J. F. C. quoted Goethe, and said that

the spirit sometimes made a mistake and clothed itself in the wrong

garment.

C. W. HEALEY.

March 9, 1841.

III.

The third conversation was delayed by Margaret’s illness, and finally

took place—

_March 19, 1841._

MARGARET again complained that we wandered from the subject, and told the

following story from Novalis.

Imagine a room, on one side of it Eros and Fable at play. On the other,

before a marble slab on which rests a vase of pure water, sits a fair

woman named Sophia. Her head rests upon her hand. Between her and the

children sits a man of reverend age, before a table at which he writes

whatever has been or is. This is History; and as he finishes each sheet

he hands it to Sophia, who dips it in the vase of pure water, from which

it often emerges a perfect blank. Sometimes a few lines, at others a few

words, sometimes only a punctuation mark, survive the test. This troubles

the old man. At last he rises and leaves the room. Fable springs to his

vacant seat, and scribbles as if in play till his return, when History

reproves her for wasting the paper, and passes the sheet to Sophia, when,

lo! it comes out from her vase unchanged. Fable has borne the test of

Truth. History is enraged at this, and succeeds in driving both Sophia

and Fable from their home, unfairly. Sophia is driven away, but the child

escapes by a back door, and, becoming bewildered in the central caverns

of the Earth, falls into the power of the Fates.

These respectable old ladies find the little Fable very troublesome, and,

after some scolding, send her away to spin, when, lo! from the recesses

of the cavern all sorts of wonders and strange shapes are spun out. The

Fates are frightened, and they seek History to learn in what manner

they may best rid themselves of the intruder. However much they may

dislike her, she is under their protection, and History can do no more

than advise them to send her out to catch Tarantulas! Fable departs and

meets Eros, who gives her a lyre, upon which she plays, and the venomous

insects swarm about her. The Fates behold her return unharmed! They had

hoped she would be stung to death, and in despair Ate throws her scissors

at the child, who gracefully avoids them. Hereupon the Tarantulas sting

the Fates in the feet, at which they begin to dance. As their clothes are

thick and heavy, this is rather inconvenient exercise, and when Fable

laughs at their distress they send her away to spin them some thin

dresses. Fable is tired of wandering. She plays upon her lyre to the

Tarantulas, bidding them spin, and she will give them three large flies.

When the dresses are done, she carries them immediately to the Fates, who

begin again to dance. The ends of the threads are still in the bodies of

the Tarantulas, who do not like to be jerked about. “Behold the flies

which I promised you,” said Fable.

Thereupon the Tarantulas fall upon the dancing Fates, and a new dynasty

commences, in which Eros reigns, with Fable for prime minister.

MARGARET said that in the story she had told she had set us the example

of wandering from the subject, but she hoped to some purpose. She

hoped no one would have need to call upon little Fable’s body-guard of

Tarantulas.

The subject of the evening was Apollo in contrast with Ceres, or Genius

opposed to Productive Energy. The history of Apollo stood for the

history of thought, its progressive development and its unhappiness.

All the loves of Apollo are miserable. He never labors for himself. He

uses the instruments which others have shaped. He is so delighted with

the lyre, which Mercury, that is Sagacity, has made, that he gives him

the divining-rod, and would give him more, but he cannot. The earnest

simplicity with which Apollo begs Mercury to swear by the sacred Styx not

to steal his quiver or his darts is beautiful! The common understanding,

mere human sagacity, may indeed lay hands on the weapons of the Inspired

One, but it cannot possess them. The ray, the dart, the quiver, of Apollo

all stand for the instantaneous power of thought.

Delphi did not originally belong to Apollo. With the aid of Bacchus, he

wrested it from Terra, Neptune, and Themis; hence the name “Delphi,” or

“The brothers.” This is only another instance of his independence. All

things are made to his hand. The great contrast between Ceres and Apollo

lies in the success of each. Ceres is always full, always prepared to

meet the call of humanity. Apollo is always unsatisfied. He transmutes

whatever he touches, as he did one of his many loves, changed to a

bay-tree. His changes are always beautiful.

JAMES F. CLARKE asked how Margaret would explain the fraternal relation

between Bacchus and Apollo.

“Don’t you remember?” she retorted. “I don’t like to repeat it, it is so

smart and ingenious!” Apollo and Bacchus seemed to her the question and

the response. Bacchus was what the earth yielded to the touch of Genius.

The grape was genial. It typified the excess of the earth’s fruitfulness.

Bacchus avenges the wrongs of Apollo, who is said never to have seen a

shadow! He never perceives an obstacle, but instantly destroys an alien

nature. Whatever opposed Apollo met with terrible retribution,—if not

from himself, then from others. Genius cannot endure the presence of

anything that mocks at it.

CHARLES WHEELER said something about the flaying of Marsyas.

MARGARET said that this once seemed to her the most shocking of

cruelties, but she had lately seen a picture which reconciled her to the

deed! After looking at the self-complacent face of Marsyas, she did not

wonder that Apollo destroyed him. She longed to _see him do it_! Apollo

was never indignant at any sublime treachery. He forgave Mercury his

theft because it was god-like, because he did it so well.

MRS. RUSSELL said ironically that the destruction of the children of

Niobe must have been a gratifying sight.

MARGARET laughed, and said, “That is like being reminded of the ‘poor

mariner,’ when I say that I like to hear the wind blow.” The indignation

of Apollo seemed to her one of his noblest attributes. His perfect purity

separated him from all the Gods. Ceres seemed to be included in the idea

of many other Gods, as in Pan, Bacchus, Juno, and Isis; but Apollo, the

divine Genius, stands alone. There is none like him.

HENRY HEDGE asked whether holiness appertained to Apollo.

MARGARET thought not. Holiness supposed a voluntary consecration of one’s

self, but there was no need of this in Apollo. He was pure thought,

consecrated, but not consciously.

HENRY HEDGE said he had asked, because, considering Jesus to have, as

he certainly had, a mythological character, he thought there was a

resemblance between him and Apollo. His own words justified the idea,—“I

am the light of the world,” and so on.

MRS. RUSSELL asked suddenly why Apollo’s lyre had seven strings.

MARGARET said seven was a consecrated number.

MRS. RUSSELL asked if it did not have to do with the seven planets?

GEORGE RIPLEY said there were not so many in that day.

MARGARET liked the reason, and wished she had thought of it herself!

Some one asked about the connection between Diana and Apollo.

MARGARET said that Genius needed a sister to console him.

EMERSON asked what bearing the inscription over the Delphic temple had

upon the story of Apollo,—the Divine pun EI, which means equally “Thou

art” and “If,”—as grand a pun as that of him who, dying, said he was

going to see the great “Perhaps”!—“le grand peut-être.”

Better translated, I thought, as the great “May-be.”

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