You say ninthly, “Give me leave to make a remark. The _Methodists_

wandered many years, in the new path of salvation by faith and works,

which was the time too of their highest _glory and popularity_.

During this time, they were _seducing their disciples into_ the most

destructive errors.” Excuse me, Sir. While they preached salvation

by faith and works, they had no disciples at all; (unless you term

a few pupils such) nor had they any _popularity_ at all. They then

enjoyed (what they always desired) a quiet, retired life. But whatever

disciples we had, they were not _seduced by us, into_ the error of

justification by works. For they were in it, before ever they saw our

face, or knew there were such men in the world.

You say tenthly, “Mr. _Wesley_ only contends, that it is _possible_, to

_use_ them without _trusting_ in them.” Not in that page; ¹because the

proposition I am confuting is, “’Tis _not possible to use_ them without

_trusting_ in them.”

¹ 4 Journal, page 20.

You added, “And now, are not such disparaging expressions, (a _mere

possibility of using_ them, without _trusting_ in them) a great

discouragement to practice?”

O Sir, when will you deviate into truth? Dare you affirm, without

any regard to God or man, “Mr. _Wesley_ only contends for a _mere

possibility_ of _using_ the means, without trusting in them?”

To go no farther than the very first ¹page you refer to: my express

words are these.

¹ 3 Journal, pages 78, 79.

“I believe the way to attain faith is, to wait for Christ, in using all

the means of grace.”

“Because I believe, these do ordinarily convey God’s grace (even) to

unbelievers.” Is this “contending only for a _mere possibility_ of

_using_ them without _trusting_ in them?”

Not only in this, and many other parts of the journals, but in a sermon

wrote professedly on the subject, I contend, that all the ordinances

of God are the stated channels of his grace to man; and that it is

our bounden duty to use them all, at all possible opportunities. So

that to charge the _Methodists_ in general, or me in particular, with

undervaluing or disparaging them, shews just as much regard for justice

and truth, as if you was to charge us with _Mahometanism_.

40. Tedious as it is to wade through so many dirty pages, I will

follow you, step by step, a little farther. Your eleventh proof that

we “undermine morality and good works,” is drawn from the following

passage.

¹“I know every one _under the law_ is even as I was, for near twice ten

years. Every one when he begins to see his fallen state, and to feel

the wrath of God abiding on him, relapses into the sin that most easily

besets him, _soon after_ repenting of it. Sometimes he avoids, and at

many other times he cannot persuade himself to _avoid_ the _occasions_

of it. Hence his relapses are _frequent_, and of consequence his _heart

is hardened_ more and more. Nor can he, with all his _sincerity_, avoid

any one of these four marks of _hypocrisy_, till _being justified by

faith_, he _hath peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ_.”

¹ 3 Journal, pages 78, 79.

You, Sir, are no competent judge in the cause. But to any who has

experienced what St. _Paul_ speaks in his _seventh chapter_ to the

_Romans_, I willingly submit this whole question. _You_ know by

experience, that if anger was the sin that did so easily beset you, you

relapsed into it (for days, or months, or years) _soon after_ repenting

of it. Sometimes you _avoided the occasions_ of it: at other times

you did not. Hence your relapses were _frequent_, and your heart was

_hardened_ more and more. And yet all this time you was _sincerely_

striving against sin, you could say, without _hypocrisy_, _the thing

which I do, I allow not; the evil which I would not, that I do. To will

is even now present with me; but how to perform that which is good, I

find not._

But the _Jesuits_, you think, “could scarce have granted salvation

upon easier terms. Have no fear, ye Methodists.” Sir, I do not grant

salvation (as you call it) upon so easy terms. I believe a man in

this state, is in a state of damnation. “Have no fear!” Say you? Yea,

but those who are thus _under the law_, are in fear all the day long.

“Was there ever so pleasing a scheme?” Pleasing with a vengeance! As

pleasing as to be in the belly of hell. So totally do you mistake the

whole matter, _not knowing what_ you _speak, nor whereof_ you _affirm_.

You are indeed somewhat pitiable in speaking wrong on this head,

because you do it in ignorance. But this plea cannot be allowed, when

you gravely advance that trite, threadbare objection concerning the

Lord’s supper, without taking any notice, that I have answered it again

and again, both to Mr. _Church_ and to the late Lord bishop of _London_.

41. Your thirteenth proof is this: “Mr. _Wesley_ has taught us, that

_infirmities are no sins_.” Sir, you have taught me to wonder at

nothing you assert; else I should wonder at this. The words, I suppose

you refer to, stand, in _The sermon on salvation by ¹faith_; (though

you do not chuse, for a plain reason, to shew your reader where they

may be found.) “He that is by faith born of God sinneth not; 1. By any

habitual sin, nor 2. By any wilful sin; nor 3. By any sinful desire;

for he continually desireth the holy and perfect will of God; nor 4.

Doth he sin by infirmities, whether in act, word or thought. For his

infirmities have no concurrence of his will, and without this, they are

not properly sins.” And this you seriously declare, “is a loop-hole to

creep out of every moral and religious obligation!”

¹ 2 Journal, page 9.

In the same paragraph you say, I have strongly affirmed, that “all

¹our works and tempers are evil continually: that our ²whole heart is

altogether corrupt and abominable, and consequently our whole life; all

our ³works, the most specious of them, our righteousness, our prayers,

needing an atonement themselves.”

² 1 Journal, page 69.

³ 2 Journal, page 23. 3 Journal, pages 10, 70.

I do strongly affirm this. But of whom? In all these places, but the

last, _of myself only_. In every one, but this, I speak in the singular

number, and of myself, when confessedly _an unbeliever_. And of whom do

I speak in that last place? Of _unbelievers_ and them only. The words

are, “All our tempers and works _in our natural state_ are only evil

continually.”

Now, Sir, where is _your_ loop-hole to creep out? If you have none, I

fear every impartial man will pass sentence upon you, that you have no

regard either to _moral_ or _religious obligations_.

I have now weighed every argument you have brought, to prove “that

the _Methodists undermine morality and good works_.” A grievous charge

indeed! But the more inexcusable is he, who advances it, but is not

able to make it good, in any one single instance. Pardon my pertness,

Sir, in not barely _affirming_ (that is _your_ manner) but _proving_

this: nay, and in telling you, that you cannot make amends to God, to

me, or to the world, without a ♦retractation as public as your calumny.

♦ “retraction” replaced with “retractation” per Errata

42. You add, “How the case stands in _fact_, as to the number of

converts among the _Methodists_, and _real reformation of life_ to

the _certain and known duties_ of the _gospel_, is matter of difficult

determination.” Not at all. What is easier to be determined, than

1. That _A. B._ of _Exeter_ or _Tiverton_, was for many years a

notorious drunkard, common-swearer, or sabbath-breaker? 2. That he is

not so now; that he is _really reformed_ from drunkenness, swearing,

sabbath-breaking, to sobriety, and the other _certain and known duties_

of the _gospel_!

“But from what inquiry you can make, there is no reason to think them,

for the generality, better than their neighbours.” Better than their

neighbours? Why are they no worse than their neighbours? Then what have

you been doing all this time? But whether they are better or worse than

their neighbours, they are undeniable better than themselves: I mean,

better than they were before they heard this preaching, in the _certain

and known duties_ of the gospel.

But you desire us to “consider their black art of calumny; their

uncharitableness; their excessive pride and vanity; their scepticism,

doubts and disbelief of God and Christ; their disorderly practices and

contempt of authority; their bitter envying and inveterate broils among

themselves; their coolness for good works.” Sir, we will consider all

these, when you have proved them. Till then, this is mere _brutum

fulmen_.

43. You ♦proceed. “If we take Mr. _Wesley_’s own account, it falls very

short of any _considerable reformation_.” You mean; if we take _that

part_ of his account, which you are pleased to transcribe. _Atticam

elegantiam_! But let any impartial man read my whole account, and then

judge.

♦ “proved” replaced with “proceed” per Errata

However hence you infer, that “the new reformers have made but a _slow

and slight progress_ in the reformation of manners.”

As a full answer to this, I need only transcribe a page or two from the

_last Appeal_, page 127, &c.

“God begins a glorious work in our land. You set yourself against it

with your might; to prevent its beginning where it does not yet appear,

and to destroy it wherever it does. In part you prevail. You keep many

from hearing the word that is able to save their souls. Others who

have heard it, you induce to turn back from God, and to list under the

devil’s banner again. Then you make the success of your own wickedness

an excuse for not acknowledging the work of God! You urge, ‘That not

_many_ sinners were reformed! And that _some_ of those are now as bad

as ever!’”

“Whose fault is this? Is it ours? Or your own? Why have not thousands

more been reformed? Yea, for every one who is now turned to God, why

are there not ten thousand? Because you and your associates laboured

so heartily in the cause of hell: because you and they spared no pains,

either to prevent or to destroy the work of God. By using all the power

and wisdom you had, you hindered thousands from hearing the gospel,

which they might have found to be the power of God unto salvation.

Their blood is upon your heads. By inventing or countenancing or

retailing lies, some refined, some gross and palpable, you hindered

others from profiting by what they did hear. _You_ are answerable to

God for these souls also. Many who began to taste the good word and run

the way of God’s commandments, by various methods you prevailed on to

hear it no more. So they soon drew back to perdition. But know, that

for every one of these also, God will require an account of _you_ in

the day of judgment!

“And yet in spite of all the malice and wisdom and strength, not only

of men, but of _principalities and powers_, of the _rulers of the

darkness of this world_, of the _wicked spirits in high places_; there

are thousands found, who are _turned from dumb idols to serve the

living and true God_. What a harvest then might we have seen before

now, if all who say they are _on the Lord’s side_, had come, as in all

reason they ought, _to the help of the Lord against the mighty_? Yea,

had they only _not opposed_ the work of God, had they only _refrained

from_ his messengers, might not the trumpet of God have been heard long

since, in every corner of our land? And ♦what thousands of sinners in

every county, been brought to _fear God and honour the king_?”

♦ added word “what” per Errata

44. ¹Without any regard to this, your next assertion is, That the

Methodists are “carrying on the work of popery.” This also being a

charge of a very high nature, I shall particularly consider whatever

you advance in defence of it.

¹ Section 21, page 164, &c.

Your first argument is, “they have a strain of Jesuitical sophistry,

artifice and craft, evasion, reserve, equivocation and prevarication.”

So you _say_. But you do not so much as aim at any proof.

Your second argument is, “Mr. _Wesley_ says, where a Methodist was

receiving the sacrament, God was pleased to let him see a crucified

Saviour.” Sir, Mr. _W._ does not say this. It is one that occasionally

wrote to him. But if he had, what would you infer? That he is a papist?

Where is the consequence? Why, you say, “was not this as good an

argument for transubstantiation, as several produced by the papists?”

Yes, exactly as good as either their arguments or yours. That is, just

good for nothing.

Your third argument runs thus, “We may see in Mr. _W._’s writings

that he was once a _strict church-man_, but gradually put on a more

_catholic spirit_, tending at length to _Roman catholic_. He rejects

any design to convert others from _any communion_; and consequently

_not from popery_.”

This is half true (which is something uncommon with you) and only half

false. It is true, that for thirty years last past, I have “gradually

put on a more _catholic spirit_,” finding more and more tenderness for

those who differed from me, either in _opinions_ or _modes of worship_.

But it is not true, That I “reject any design of converting others

_from any communion_.” I have by the blessing of God, converted several

from _popery_, who are now alive and ready to testify it.

Your fourth argument is, That in a collection of prayers, I cite the

words of an ancient liturgy, “for the faithful departed.” Sir, whenever

I use those words in the burial service, I pray to the same effect.

“That we, with all those who are departed in thy faith and fear, may

have our perfect consummation of bliss, both in body and soul.” Yea,

and whenever I say, _Thy kingdom come_; for I mean both the kingdom

of grace and glory. In this kind of general prayer therefore, for the

faithful departed, I conceive myself to be clearly justified, both by

the earliest antiquity, by the church of _England_, and by the Lord’s

prayer: although the _Papists_ have corrupted this scriptural practice,

into praying for those who die in their sins.

45. Your fifth argument is, “That they use _private confession_, in

which every one is to speak the state of his heart, with his several

temptations and deliverances, and answer as many searching questions

as may be. And what scene, say you, is hereby disclosed? What a filthy

jakes opened, when the most searching questions are answered without

reserve?” Hold, Sir, unless you are answering for yourself. This

undoubtedly you have a right to do. You can tell best, what is in your

own heart. And I cannot deny what you say; it may be a very filthy

jakes, for ought I know. But pray do not measure others by yourself.

The hearts of believers _are purified through faith_. When these open

their hearts one to another, there is no such scene disclosed. Yet

temptations to pride in various kinds, to self-will, to unbelief in

many instances, they often feel in themselves (whether they give any

place to them or no) and occasionally disclose to their brethren.

But this has no resemblance to _Popish confession_; of which you are

very sensible. For you cite my own words: “The Popish confession is,

the confession made by a single person to a priest. Whereas this is,

the confession of several persons conjointly, not to a priest, but to

each other.” You add, “Will Mr. _W._ abide by this, and freely answer

a question?” I will. For I desire only _by manifestation of the truth,

to commend myself to every man’s conscience, in the sight of God_.

Your question is, “After private confessions taken in their bands, are

not _reports_ made to Mr. _W._?” I answer, no: No _reports_ are made to

me, of the particulars mentioned in private bands. “Are no delinquents,

male and female, _brought before him separately, and confessed_ by

him?” No: none at all. You ask, “How then do I know the outward and

inward states of those under my care?” I answer, by examining them once

a quarter, more or less, not separately, but ten or fifteen together.

Therefore every unprejudiced person must see that there is no analogy

between the Popish confession to a priest, and our _confessing our

faults one to another, and praying one for another_, as St. _James_

directs. Consequently neither does this argument, though urged with

all your art and force, amount to any shadow of proof, that “the

_Methodists_ are carrying on the work of popery.”

46. Your sixth argument, such as it is, stands thus. “Another tendency

to _Popery_ appears, by the notion of _a single drop of Christ’s blood

being a sufficient atonement for the sins of the whole world_. For

however pious this may appear, it is absolutely false and papistical.”

Sir, this argument is perfectly new, and intirely your own. It were

great pity to disturb you in the enjoyment of it.

A seventh argument you ground on those words in the _Plain account

of the people called_ Methodists, “’Tis a point we chiefly insist

upon, that _orthodoxy_ or right opinions, is _a very slender part_ of

religion, if _any part of it at all_.” “The plain consequence whereof

is (so you affirm) that teaching and believing the fundamental errors

of popery, with the whole train of their abominations and idolatries,

are of very little moment, if any.” Strain again, Sir: pull hard; or

you will never be able to drag this conclusion out of these premises.

I assert, “1. That in a truly religious man, right opinions _are a very

slender part_ of religion. 2. That in an irreligious, a profane man,

they are not _any part of religion at all_: such a man not being one

jot more religious, because he is _orthodox_.” Sir, it does not follow

from either of these propositions, that _wrong opinions_ are not an

hindrance to religion: and much less, that “teaching and believing

the fundamental errors of popery, _with the whole train of their

abominations and idolatries_ (practised, I presume you mean, as well

as taught and believed) are of very little moment, if any.”

I am so far from saying or thinking this, that in my printed letter

to a priest of that communion (did you never read it, or hear of it

before?) are these express words, “I pity you much, having the same

assurance, that Jesus is the Christ, and that no _Romanist_ can expect

to be saved, according to the terms of his covenant.” 3d _journal_ page

77. Do you term this “An extenuation of their abominations? A reducing

them to almost a ♦mere nothing.”

♦ “meer” replaced with “mere”

47. You argue, eighthly, thus; “The _Methodist_ doctrine of impressions

and assurances, holds equally for popish _enthusiasts_.” This needs no

answer; I have already shewn, that the _Methodist_ doctrine in these

respects is both scriptural and rational.

Your ninth argument is, “Their sudden conversions stand upon the same

footing with the _popish_.” You should say, “Are a proof that they are

promoting _popery_.” I leave you to enjoy this ♦argument also.

♦ “argment” replaced with “argument” per Errata

But the dreadful one you reserve for the last, namely, our

“recommending popish books. One is the life of Mr. _de Renty_, of which

Mr. _Wesley_ has published _an extract_.” To prove your inimitable

fairness here, you scrape up again all the trash, wherein the weak

writer of that life abounds, and which I had pared off and thrown away.

Sir, could you find nothing to your purpose in the _extract_ itself? I

fancy you might; for I have purposely left in two or three particulars,

to shew of what communion he was, which I did not think it right to

conceal.

You go on. “_Francis_ of _Sales_ is another papist, much commended

by Mr. _W._; and who he doubts not is in _Abraham_’s bosom. He is the

_Methodist_’s bosom friend.”

I believe he is in _Abraham_’s bosom. But he is no bosom friend of the

_Methodists_. I question whether one in five hundred of them, ♦has so

much as heard his name. And as for me, neither do I “commend him much,

nor recommend” him at all. His life I never saw, nor any of his works,

but his “Introduction to a Holy Life.” This the late Dr. _Nichols_

translated into _English_, published and strongly _recommended_.

Therefore if this be a proof of promoting popery, that censure falls

not on me but him.

♦ “have” replaced with “has” per Errata

I have now considered all the arguments you have brought to prove,

“That the _Methodists_ are carrying on the work of popery.” And I am

persuaded, every candid man, who rightly weighs what has been said,

with any degree of attention, will clearly see not only, that no one

of those arguments is of any real force at all, but that you do not

believe yourself; you do not believe the conclusion, which you _make as

if_ you would prove. Only you keep close to your laudable resolution,

of throwing as much dirt as possible.

48. It remains only to gather up some of your fragments, as still

further proofs of your integrity.

You graciously say, “I do not lay much stress upon the charge of some

of the angry _Moravians_, against Mr. _W._ and brother, for preaching

popery.” Sir, if you had, you would only have hurt yourself. For 1.

The _Moravians_ never, that I know of, brought this charge at all. 2.

When Mr. _C._ and two other predestinarians (these were the persons)

affirmed “they had heard both my brother and me preach _popery_:” they

meant neither more nor less thereby, than the doctrine of universal

redemption.

“Some connection between the doctrines of the _Methodists_ and

_Papists_, hath been shewn through this whole comparison.” Shewn! But

how? By the same art of wiredrawing and decyphering, which would prove

an equal connection between the _Methodists_ and _Mahometans_.

“_Jesuits_ have often mingled, and been the ringleaders among our

_enthusiastic sectaries_.” Sir, I am greatly obliged to you for your

compliment, as well as for your parallel of Mr. _Faithful Commin_.

And pray, Sir, at what time do you think it was, that I first _mingled

with those enthusiastic sectaries_? When I came back from _Germany_?

Or when I returned from _Georgia_? Or while I was at _Lincoln-College_?

――――Although the plot itself might be laid before, when I was at

_Christ-Church_, or at the _Charter-house_ school.

But “a _Jesuit_’s or enthusiast’s declaring against _popery_, is

no test of their sincerity.” Most sure; nor is a nameless person’s

declaring against _Methodism_, any proof that he is not a _Jesuit_.

I remember well, when a well-dressed man, taking his stand not far

from _Moorfields_, had gathered a large company, and was vehemently

asserting, That “those rogues the _Methodists_ were all _Papists_:”

till a gentleman coming by, fixed his eye on him and cried, “Stop that

man: I know him personally: he is a _Romish priest_.”

I know not that any thing remains on this head, which bears so much as

the face of an argument. So that of all the charges you have brought

(and truly you have not been sparing) there is not one wherein your

proof falls more miserably short, than in this, That “the _Methodists_

are advancing _popery_.”

49. I have at length gone through your whole performance, weighed

whatever you cite from my writings, and shewn at large how far

those passages are from proving all, or any part of your charge. So

that all you attempt to build on them, ¹“of the pride and vanity of

the _Methodists_; of their ²shuffling and prevaricating, of their

³affectation of prophesying, ⁴laying claim to the miraculous favours

of heaven, unsteadiness ⁵of temper, ⁶unsteadiness in sentiment and

practice, ⁷art and cunning, ⁸giving up inspiration and extraordinary

calls, ⁹scepticism, infidelity, atheism, ¹⁰uncharitableness to their

opponents, ¹¹contempt of order and authority, ¹²and fierce, rancorous

quarrels with each other, ¹³of the tendency of _Methodism_ to undermine

morality and good works, and to ¹⁴carry on the good work of _popery_:”

all this fabric falls to the ground at once, unless you can find some

better foundation to support it.

¹ Section 3.

² Section 4.

³ Section 5.

⁴ Section 6.

⁵ Section 9.

⁶ Section 11.

⁷ Section 12.

⁸ Section 13.

⁹ Section 14.

¹⁰ Section 15, &c.

¹¹ Section 18.

¹² Section 19, &c.

¹³ Section 20.

¹⁴ Section 21.

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