TESTIMONY OF JOE R. MOLINA

The testimony of Joe R. Molina was taken at 4:50 p.m., on April 7,

1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building,

Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Messrs. Joseph A. Ball and

Samuel A. Stern, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. BALL. Would you rise and raise your right hand, Mr. Molina?

(Witness complying.)

Mr. BALL. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give

will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help

you God?

Mr. MOLINA. I do.

Mr. BALL. Will you state your name, please?

Mr. MOLINA. Joe R. Molina.

Mr. BALL. What is your address?

Mr. MOLINA. 4306 Brown.

Mr. BALL. Tell me something about yourself; where were you born?

Mr. MOLINA. I was born here in Dallas.

Mr. BALL. What was your education?

Mr. MOLINA. Well, I went to Crozier Tech High School and I finished

after I came back from the service and at that time my intention was to

go to college but I got married and instead went to business college.

Then later on after attending about 5 months business college, I had

to find a job because my wife was expecting a baby, consequently, I

started working on-the-job training at the Texas School Book Depository.

Mr. BALL. About what date?

Mr. MOLINA. I started working in February of 1947.

Mr. BALL. How long have you been working there?

Mr. MOLINA. 16 years.

Mr. BALL. 16 years?

Mr. MOLINA. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. Now, you wrote the Commission a letter asking to testify,

didn't you?

Mr. MOLINA. Yes.

Mr. BALL. How did you happen to do that?

Mr. MOLINA. Well, I called in. I didn't know whether I was going to be

called or not and they told me, you know, that I should write a letter

and ask the Commission, you know. (Letter marked Molina Exhibit A.)

Mr. BALL. You wanted to be heard, is that right, before the Commission?

Mr. MOLINA. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. Did you have something particularly you wanted to tell us?

Mr. MOLINA. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. What is that?

Mr. MOLINA. Well, on November 23d following the assassination, I was

paid a visit by the local police department at 1:30 in the morning and

they sort of wanted to tie me up with this case in some way or another

and they thought that I was implicated.

Mr. BALL. What makes you think they thought you were implicated?

Mr. MOLINA. Well, they were looking for something. I don't know what it

was they were looking for in the house.

Mr. BALL. They came to your house here in Dallas?

Mr. MOLINA. That's right, woke up my wife and children; scared my wife

half to death.

Mr. BALL. Did they search the house?

Mr. MOLINA. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Did they have a search warrant?

Mr. MOLINA. I don't know whether they did or not.

Mr. BALL. Did they tell you what they were looking for?

Mr. MOLINA. No.

Mr. BALL. Then what happened?

Mr. MOLINA. Well, they asked me questions whether I knew different

persons that belong to the G.I. Forum----

Mr. BALL. To what?

Mr. MOLINA. G.I. Forum, this club I belonged to here in Dallas.

Mr. BALL. How do you spell that?

Mr. MOLINA. G.I. F-o-r-u-m [spelling].

Mr. BALL. G.I. F-o-r-u-m [spelling] in Dallas?

Mr. MOLINA. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Who was it that asked you that?

Mr. MOLINA. Well, I think it was Mr. Garroway did most of the

questioning and police Lieutenant Revill, I believe--yeah, that was his

name.

Mr. BALL. What did they ask you?

Mr. MOLINA. They asked me if I knew certain persons that had come

into the forum when it was first initiated and if I was acquainted

with them and if I associated with them, so forth and so on. I said

my activities were limited to the club. I didn't have any social, you

know, I wasn't intimate with them but merely a club that was started. I

was asked by my pastor to go see about this particular club which I did

and consequently, the club met at the church auditorium after it was

founded and one of the parish priests was a chaplain.

Mr. BALL. Was it a Catholic, Roman Catholic organization?

Mr. MOLINA. The G.I. Forum?

Mr. BALL. Yes.

Mr. MOLINA. No; the forum is a veterans' club.

Mr. BALL. What else happened?

Mr. MOLINA. Well, after the police came, they didn't know whether--they

were undecided what to do, whether they would take me in for

questioning or not and so they decided evidently, since I told

them--they asked me if they could take a look around. I said "Sure, I

don't have anything to hide, look around". They looked around and did

a lot of searching and my wife started to get back in bed. She didn't

know that was going on. She thought they just want to question me and

they told her she had to get out of bed and go into the living room

and the kids were in the back room. I only have two bedrooms and the

kids were sleeping out there. They woke up the kids; they were looking

in their room, so they started questioning the kids, too. They started

to ask me questions and ask the kids about it. In other words, to

corroborate our statements. I didn't know at the time they were doing

it but later on found out. They couldn't find anything. I knew they

wouldn't find anything. I didn't know what they were looking for in

the first place. They decided to bring me down to the Dallas Police

Department for questioning.

Mr. BALL. Did you go down to the police department?

Mr. MOLINA. Well, they asked me if I would go down the next morning

and I said yes, I would go down the next morning. I would rather go

down the next morning than now. It was already past 2, so the next

morning my wife drove me down. I got there about 11. My wife drove me

down and I got there about 10:30. The place was full of television

people and reporters swarming all over the place and they told me to

wait in the room there and then I went into Chief Gannaway's office

or whatever his name is. He said I was supposed to be questioned by

Mr. Fritz down there but that he wanted to talk to me after they

questioned me up there because they wanted to know more about the G.I.

Forum so I said "I will come back when they get through questioning

me." So I went up there and they told me to wait in an office and so I

waited there for about 30, 40 minutes and, oh, must have been longer

than that, they finally questioned me and they put me in a room and

there was a man from the FBI or Secret Service, I don't recall which

one it was. He was sitting on my right and there was a fellow from

the Dallas Police Department taking a statement and a fellow from the

FBI introduced himself, said I'm so and so, show me his badge and so

forth. The other fellow didn't say who he was or anything, just sat

there and so then they told me to wait there in that room and I did. I

was there for about 45 minutes and then the fellow came back from the

FBI, said "My God, are you still in here?" I said "Yes," he said "How

long you been here?" Here it was about 2 or 3 o'clock. I said "I have

been here since about 11; I haven't eaten lunch or haven't had a drink

of water". You know, I was just there and which he told this fellow,

said "Can't you let him go; he has been here. He has already given his

testimony statement, whatever he is going to give; you should let him

go." This fellow said "No, he got to wait in there" so I had to go

back in there; about 10 or 15 minutes later, they came back and I went

up to the office of Lieutenant Revill and he started asking a lot of

questions about the G.I. Forum, did I know such and such fellow--some

I knew, they had been in the club. Naturally, I knew them though we

weren't intimate friends, some were, some weren't. Then he gave me a

bunch of names, I imagine they were in their so-called subversive files

that they claim they have; of course, I didn't know a lot of them. In

fact, I didn't know most of them. I knew some of the names. I didn't

know some of the names they mentioned are kept in their files or not.

Anyhow, they asked me--I had to--they didn't ask me--I had to just ask

to sign a statement I belonged to the forum and certain members were

charter members of the forum and I said yes, I would sign it. I didn't

see anything wrong with it so I signed it and they told me I could go

home. It was 4:30 or 5 and they asked me if I had a ride home and I

said no. They said "Well, we'll give you a ride home, so one of the

officers there, plainclothes man, drove me home. When I got home, of

course, there were about three or four cars at the house. My wife was

all shook up and she said "My God" she said "Don't you know what they

been saying about you?" I said "No, I don't know what they are saying

about me." She said "Don't you know you been on TV and the news media

across the nation saying you are on the so-called list with the Dallas

Police Department claiming that you associate with persons of"--see

if I can quote it right--I was known to associate with persons of

subversive background.

Mr. BALL. That was on TV?

Mr. MOLINA. Oh, yes.

Mr. BALL. Who put that on TV?

Mr. MOLINA. It was a statement made by Chief Curry.

Mr. BALL. By whom?

Mr. MOLINA. Chief Curry and I says "No, I didn't know anything about

it. I was just being questioned." They said "Well, did you tell them

to release your name?" I said "I don't know who gave my name out, gave

out the information." So, they were very concerned because at first,

I didn't think it was--I figured they would make a retraction and

I would be cleared, so forth and so on and nothing came out on the

radio and nothing was said and I called the Police Department and told

them I wanted to talk to Chief Curry and they said he was busy. I was

talking to, I think someone, fellow named King. He answered the phone

and he said any retraction has to come from Chief Curry. I called the

Associated Press which released the statement to the news media and

they wouldn't give me any satisfaction. They told me I would have to

get in touch with some fellow in New York or something like that, so

that was--I couldn't get any satisfaction. I was accused of something I

didn't know anything about.

Mr. BALL. Did they ever give you a retraction?

Mr. MOLINA. No.

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