Mr. ARCE. I helped this old man, this gentleman in there.
Mr. BALL. You saw an old man?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. ARCE. Right in front of the Texas School Book Depository.
Mr. BALL. When?
Mr. ARCE. Right, you know, it was before it happened; I don't know.
Mr. BALL. How long before the President went by?
Mr. ARCE. I don't know. I think it was about 10 minutes, some place
around there, 15 minutes; I'm not too sure.
Mr. BALL. What about the old man; what was noticeable about him?
Mr. ARCE. Well, he said he had kidney trouble, could I direct him to
the men's room and I said I would and I helped him up the steps and
walked him into the restroom and I opened the door for him and that's
when I went inside to eat my lunch and then I seen him walk out.
Mr. BALL. Did you see him talk to anyone in there?
Mr. ARCE. No; he went straight out.
Mr. BALL. Was he in a car?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah, after I went outside I seen him driving out in a black
car.
Mr. BALL. He drove away?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him again?
Mr. ARCE. No, never seen him again.
Mr. BALL. Just I minute, I want to show you a picture. I show you
Commission Exhibit No. 369. I show you this picture. See this man in
this picture?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. Recognize him?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, that's Billy Lovelady.
Mr. BALL. Just to identify it clearly, the man on the steps--well, you
see the man on the steps, do you not?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. He is a white man, isn't he?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you see his picture just above the picture of two colored
people, is that correct; would you describe it like that?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. I am not going to mark this purposely because other witnesses
have to see it.
Mr. ARCE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you say that is Billy Lovelady?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, that is Billy Lovelady.
Mr. BALL. Now, there is only one face that is clearly shown within the
entrance-way of the Texas School Book Depository Building, isn't there?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And only one face of a person who is standing on the steps of
the Depository Building entrance?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah.