Mr. BALL. What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY. Stanton.
Mr. BALL. What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY. Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL. And Stanton's first name?
Mr. LOVELADY. Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL. Did you stay on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Were you there when the President's motorcade went by?
Mr. LOVELADY. Right.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear anything?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes, sir; sure did.
Mr. BALL. What did you hear?
Mr. LOVELADY. I thought it was firecrackers or somebody celebrating
the arrival of the President. It didn't occur to me at first what
had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the
President had been shot.
Mr. BALL. Who was this girl?
Mr. LOVELADY. Gloria Calvary.
Mr. BALL. Gloria Calvary?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Where does she work?
Mr. LOVELADY. Southwestern Publishing Co.
Mr. BALL. Where was the direction of the sound?
Mr. LOVELADY. Right there around that concrete little deal on that
knoll.
Mr. BALL. That's where it sounded to you?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes, sir; to my right. I was standing as you are going
down the steps, I was standing on the right, sounded like it was in
that area.
Mr. BALL. From the underpass area?
Mr. LOVELADY. Between the underpass and the building right on that
knoll.
Mr. BALL. I have got a picture here, Commission Exhibit 369. Are you on
that picture?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Take a pen or pencil and mark an arrow where you are.
Mr. LOVELADY. Where I thought the shots are?
Mr. BALL. No; you in the picture.
Mr. LOVELADY. Oh, here (indicating).
Mr. BALL. Draw an arrow down to that; do it in the dark. You got an
arrow in the dark and one in the white pointing toward you. Where were
you when the picture was taken?
Mr. LOVELADY. Right there at the entrance of the building standing on
the top of the step, would be here (indicating).
Mr. BALL. You were standing on which step?
Mr. LOVELADY. It would be your top level.
Mr. BALL. The top step you were standing there?
Mr. LOVELADY. Right.
Mr. BALL. Now, when Gloria came up you were standing near Mr. Shelley?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. When Gloria came up and said the President had been shot,
Gloria Calvary, what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY. Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so
we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him
or--she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had
saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn't know how serious it
was and so the crowd had started towards the railroad tracks back, you
know, behind our building there and we run towards that little, old
island and kind of down there in that little street. We went as far as
the first tracks and everybody was hollering and crying and policemen
started running out that way and we said we better get back into the
building, so we went back into the west entrance on the back dock had
that low ramp and went into the back dock back inside the building.
Mr. BALL. First of all, let's get you to tell us whom you left the
steps with.
Mr. LOVELADY. Mr. Shelley.
Mr. BALL. Shelley and you went down how far?
Mr. LOVELADY. Well, I would say a good 75, between 75 to 100 yards to
the first tracks. See how those tracks goes----
Mr. BALL. You went down the dead end on Elm?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And down to the first tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you see anything there?
Mr. LOVELADY. No sir; well, just people running.
Mr. BALL. That's all?
Mr. LOVELADY. And hollerin.
Mr. BALL. How did you happen to go down there?
Mr. LOVELADY. I don't know, because everybody was running from that way
and naturally, I guess----
Mr. BALL. They were running from that way or toward that way?
Mr. LOVELADY. Toward that way; everybody thought it was coming from
that direction.
Mr. BALL. By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the
building?
Mr. LOVELADY. As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15,
maybe 25, steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and
the policeman running into the building.
Mr. BALL. How many steps?
Mr. LOVELADY. Twenty, 25.
Mr. BALL. Steps away and you looked back and saw him enter the building?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad
tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY. Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half.
Mr. BALL. Then what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY. Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell,
Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the
building.
Mr. BALL. And enter from the rear?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes, sir; sure did.
Mr. BALL. You heard the shots. And how long after that was it before
Gloria Calvary came up?
Mr. LOVELADY. Oh, approximately 3 minutes, I would say.
Mr. BALL. Three minutes is a long time.
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes, it's--I say approximately; I can't say because I
don't have a watch; it could.
Mr. BALL. Had people started to run?
Mr. LOVELADY. Well, I couldn't say because she came up to us and we was
talking to her, wasn't looking that direction at that time, but when we
came off the steps--see, that entrance, you have a blind side when you
go down the steps.
Mr. BALL. Right after you talked to Gloria, did you leave the steps and
go toward the tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you run or walk?
Mr. LOVELADY. Medium trotting or fast walk.
Mr. BALL. A fast walk?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How did you happen to turn around and see Truly and the
policeman go into the building?
Mr. LOVELADY. Somebody hollered and I looked.
Mr. BALL. You turned around and looked?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. After you ran to the railroad tracks you came back and went
in the back door of the building?
Mr. LOVELADY. Right.
Mr. BALL. Did you go in through the docks, the wide open door or did
you go in the ordinary small door?
Mr. LOVELADY. You know where we park our trucks--that door; we have a
little door.
Mr. BALL. That is where you went in, that little door?
Mr. LOVELADY. That's right.
Mr. BALL. That would be the north end of the building?
Mr. LOVELADY. That would be the west end, wouldn't it?
Mr. BALL. Is it the one right off Houston Street?
Mr. LOVELADY. No; you are thinking about another dock.
Mr. BALL. I am?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes; we have two.
Mr. BALL. Do you have a dock on the west side and one on the north side
of the building?
Mr. LOVELADY. East, and well, it would be east and west but you enter
it from the south side.