Mr. BELIN. Married?
Mr. MILLER. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Did you go to school in Texas?
Mr. MILLER. Yes; I did.
Mr. BELIN. How far did you go to school?
Mr. MILLER. Tenth grade.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?
Mr. MILLER. I quit school and went to work.
Mr. BELIN. Where did you work?
Mr. MILLER. First worked at Titche's, and then for Robertson & King
Motor Supply, and from there I went back to Titche's, and then to A. &
P. Bakery Co., and then I worked for Presto Delivery Co., and then to
Texas-Louisiana Freight Bureau where I am working now.
Mr. BELIN. How long have you been there?
Mr. MILLER. Ever since 1958, January 1958.
Mr. BELIN. What do you do now?
Mr. MILLER. Well, it is a combination job between mail clerk and tariff
compiler.
Mr. BELIN. Where were you working on Friday, November 22, 1963, which
was the day that President Kennedy came to Dallas?
Mr. MILLER. Texas-Louisiana Freight Bureau.
Mr. BELIN. Where is that located?
Mr. MILLER. 215 Union Terminal.
Mr. BELIN. Where is the Union Terminal located?
Mr. MILLER. That is down at--the address they give is 400 South Houston
Street, but the book is not the correct address, but that is what they
use. Because 400 is the opposite side of the block, and there is a city
park there.
Mr. BELIN. What cross street? Would it be near any intersection at all,
or not?
Mr. MILLER. On the corner of Houston, and I can't think of the name of
that street now, right in front of the Dallas Morning News.
Mr. BELIN. Would it be north or south of Main Street?
Mr. MILLER. It would be south.
Mr. BELIN. How many blocks south of Main Street?
Mr. MILLER. Four blocks.
Mr. BELIN. Four blocks south of Main Street on Houston?
Mr. MILLER. Right.
Mr. BELIN. All right, where were you at about the time the motorcade
came by?
Mr. MILLER. I was standing on the top of the triple underpass on the
Main Street side.
Mr. BELIN. Now when you say triple underpass, there are actually three
underpasses there?
Mr. MILLER. Yes. They are sitting side by side. It is Main, Commerce,
and Elm. I was over Elm instead of Main Street. I was over Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN. Now there is a place where the railroad tracks are, and that
is the first. Is it all railroad tracks, or part railroad tracks and
part freeway?
Mr. MILLER. All railroad tracks go over that particular set of
underpass.
Mr. BELIN. Where you were?
Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. When did you get there?
Mr. MILLER. About 12:15 or 12:20.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what time the motorcade came by?
Mr. MILLER. No; I don't, not for sure.
Mr. BELIN. About how long after you got there did you see the motorcade?
Mr. MILLER. About 10 or 15 minutes.
Mr. BELIN. Anyone else standing around there that you knew?
Mr. MILLER. Royce Skelton, the boy I work with and an elderly man who
is a building maintenance man. By name, I don't know him, but a lot of
other employees I have seen in the building other than myself.
Mr. BELIN. Anyone else that you knew?
Mr. MILLER. As far as knowing, no, sir.
Mr. BELIN. You saw other people there?
Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see any police officer around there?
Mr. MILLER. There was one on both sides of the bridge.
Mr. BELIN. Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come
by?
Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir; it came down Main Street and turned north on
Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left onto Elm Street.
Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is
when as far as I can recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN. Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER. I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle
backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER. After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was
two more shots fired or, or sounded like a sound at the time. I didn't
know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall
forward, and a woman next to him grab him and hollered, and just what,
I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER. About that time I turned and looked toward the--there is
a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if
anything was there, who threw the firecracker or whatever it was, or
see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there,
so I stepped back and looked on the tracks to see if anybody run across
the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad
tracks.
So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible
take off fast.
Mr. BELIN. You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER. I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a
convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible
it was.
Mr. BELIN. Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER. Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would
say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was
looking at him over toward that incline.
Mr. BELIN. Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw.
Mr. MILLER. About the time I looked over to the side there, there was
a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the
curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right
behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious
movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER. No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad
tracks, that you hadn't seen before?
Mr. MILLER. No, sir; I didn't. We was all standing in one group right
at the rail looking over, and the police officer, he was standing about
5 or 10 feet behind us.
Mr. BELIN. Now about how many were there in that group altogether, if
you can remember?
Mr. MILLER. I would say in the neighborhood of 10 or 12 people. Maybe
more, maybe less.
Mr. BELIN. Apart from those people, did you see anyone else in the
vicinity at all on the railroad tracks?
Mr. MILLER. There was one young man or boy. He was going to come up on
the tracks, but the police officer stopped him and asked him where he
was going, and he said he was going to come up where he could see, and
he asked if he worked for the train station, and he said, "No," so the
police officer made him go back down.
Where he went to, I don't know.
Mr. BELIN. When was this?
Mr. MILLER. Oh, before the President came along.
Mr. BELIN. About how much before, do you know? Offhand?
Mr. MILLER. I couldn't say.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know anything about this man or boy that you
described? About how old he was, or anything?
Mr. MILLER. I can't think. I would say he was in his early twenties.
Mr. BELIN. Tall or short?
Mr. MILLER. I don't remember that much about him. I do recall him
coming up and the man talking to him and turning him back.
Mr. BELIN. So he went back down?
Mr. MILLER. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Where did he come up from?
Mr. MILLER. He came up from the--I am going by where I was standing. He
was from our left, from around behind that parking lot.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever see him again or not?
Mr. MILLER. No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever see anyone else in that area at all or anything
on the railroad tracks at any time?
Mr. MILLER. No, sir; not until after the shots were fired and the
police officers came up the hill and climbed over the fence and started
searching.
Mr. BELIN. That was the only other people that you saw?
Mr. MILLER. That is all I recall seeing.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else that you can add that might be of help in any
way to the Commission, or to the investigation into the assassination?
Mr. MILLER. Offhand, no, sir; I don't recall anything else.
My statement at the time may have some more, but I don't recall exactly
what all did happen for sure.
Mr. BELIN. Well, you and I never met until just a few minutes ago, did
we?
Mr. MILLER. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. And as soon as you came in here, we started immediately
taking your testimony under oath, is that correct?
Mr. MILLER. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. We never talked about the facts before then, did we?
Mr. MILLER. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Well, you have the right, if you like, to read this
deposition when it is typewritten, and sign it, or else you can waive
the signing of it and have it go directly to Washington without your
signing. What would be your preference?