Now, suppose the Governor-General gone, the Presidencies established,

the Governors equal in rank and dignity, and their Councils constituted

in the manner I have indicated, is it not reasonable to suppose that the

delay which has hitherto been one of the greatest curses of your Indian

Government would be almost altogether avoided? Instead of a Governor-

General living in Calcutta, or at Simla, never travelling over the whole

of the country, and knowing very little about it, and that little only

through other official eyes, is it not reasonable to suppose that the

action of the Government would be more direct in all its duties and in

every department of its service than has been the case under the system

which has existed until now? Your administration of the law, marked by

so much disgrace, could never have lasted so long as it has done if the

Governors of your Presidencies had been independent Governors. So with

regard to matters of police, education, public works, and everything

that can stimulate industry, and so with regard to your system of

taxation. You would have in every Presidency a constant rivalry for

good. The Governor of Madras, when his term of office expired, would be

delighted to show that the people of that Presidency were contented,

that the whole Presidency was advancing in civilization, that roads and

all manner of useful public works were extending, that industry was

becoming more and more a habit of the people, and that the exports and

imports were constantly increasing. The Governors of Bombay and the rest

of the Presidencies would be animated by the same spirit, and so you

would have all over India, as I have said, a rivalry for good; you would

have placed a check on that malignant spirit of ambition which has

worked so much evil--you would have no Governor so great that you could

not control him, none who might make war when he pleased; war and

annexation would be greatly checked, if not entirely prevented; and I do

in my conscience believe you would have laid the foundation for a better

and more permanent form of government for India than has ever obtained

since it came under the rule of England.

But how long does England propose to govern India? Nobody answers that

question, and nobody can answer it. Be it 50, or 100, or 500 years, does

any man with the smallest glimmering of common sense believe that so

great a country, with its twenty different nations and its twenty

languages, can ever be bound up and consolidated into one compact and

enduring empire? I believe such a thing to be utterly impossible. We

must fail in the attempt if ever we make it, and we are bound to look

into the future with reference to that point. The Presidency of Madras,

for instance, having its own Government, would in fifty years become one

compact State, and every part of the Presidency would look to the city

of Madras as its capital, and to the Government of Madras as its ruling

power. If that were to go on for a century or more, there would be five

or six Presidencies of India built up into so many compact States; and

if at any future period the sovereignty of England should be withdrawn,

we should leave so many Presidencies built up and firmly compacted

together, each able to support its own independence and its own

Government; and we should be able to say we had not left the country a

prey to that anarchy and discord which I believe to be inevitable if we

insist on holding those vast territories with the idea of building them

up into one great empire. But I am obliged to admit that mere machinery

is not sufficient in this case, either with respect to my own scheme or

to that of the noble lord (Lord Stanley). We want something else than

mere clerks, stationery, despatches, and so forth. We want what I shall

designate as a new feeling in England, and an entirely new policy in

India. We must in future have India governed, not for a handful of

Englishmen, not for that Civil Service whose praises are so constantly

sounded in this House. You may govern India, if you like, for the good

of England, but the good of England must come through the channels of

the good of India. There are but two modes of gaining anything by our

connection with India. The one is by plundering the people of India, and

the other by trading with them. I prefer to do it by trading with them.

But in order that England may become rich by trading with India, India

itself must become rich, and India can only become rich through the

honest administration of justice and through entire security of life and

property.

Now, as to this new policy, I will tell the House what I think the Prime

Minister should do. He ought, I think, always to choose for his

President of the Board of Control or his Secretary of State for India, a

man who cannot be excelled by any other man in his Cabinet, or in his

party, for capacity, for honesty, for attention to his duties, and for

knowledge adapted to the particular office to which he is appointed. If

any Prime Minister appoint an inefficient man to such an office, he will

be a traitor to the Throne of England. That officer, appointed for the

qualities I have just indicated, should, with equal scrupulousness and

conscientiousness, make the appointments, whether of the Governor-

General, or (should that office be abolished) of the Governors of the

Presidencies of India. Those appointments should not be rewards for old

men simply because such men have done good service when in their prime,

nor should they be rewards for mere party service, but they should be

appointments given under a feeling that interests of the very highest

moment, connected with this country, depend on those great offices in

India being properly filled. The same principles should run throughout

the whole system of government; for, unless there be a very high degree

of virtue in all these appointments, and unless our great object be to

govern India well and to exalt the name of England in the eyes of the

whole Native population, all that we have recourse to in the way of

machinery will be of very little use indeed.

I admit that this is a great work; I admit, also, that the further I go

into the consideration of this question, the more I feel that it is too

large for me to grapple with, and that every step we take in it should

be taken as if we were men walking in the dark. We have, however,

certain great principles to guide us, and by their light we may make

steps in advance, if not fast, at any rate sure. But we start from an

unfortunate position. We start from a platform of conquest by force of

arms extending over a hundred years. There is nothing in the world worse

than the sort of foundation from which we start. The greatest genius who

has shed lustre on the literature of this country has said, 'There is no

sure foundation set on blood;' and it may be our unhappy fate, in regard

to India, to demonstrate the truth of that saying. We are always

subjugators, and we must be viewed with hatred and suspicion. I say we

must look at the thing as it is, if we are to see our exact position,

what our duty is, and what chance there is of our retaining India and of

governing it for the advantage of its people. Our difficulties have been

enormously increased by the revolt. The people of India have only seen

England in its worst form in that country. They have seen it in its

military power, its exclusive Civil Service, and in the supremacy of a

handful of foreigners. When Natives of India come to this country, they

are delighted with England and with Englishmen. They find themselves

treated with a kindness, a consideration, a respect, to which they were

wholly strangers in their own country; and they cannot understand how it

is that men who are so just, so attentive to them here, sometimes,

indeed too often, appear to them in a different character in India. I

remember that the Hon. Frederic Shaw, who wrote some thirty years since,

stated, in his able and instructive book, that even in his time the

conduct of the English in India towards the Natives was less agreeable,

less kindly, less just than it had been in former years; and in 1853,

before the Committee presided over by the hon. Member for Huntingdon

(Mr. T. Baring), evidence was given that the feeling between the rulers

and the ruled in India was becoming every year less like what could be

desired. It was only the other day there appeared in a letter of _The

Times_' correspondent an anecdote which illustrates what I am saying,

and which I feel it necessary to read to the House. Mr. Russell, of

_The Times_, says:--

'I went off to breakfast in a small mosque, which has been turned

into a _salle à manger_ by some officers stationed here, and

I confess I should have eaten with more satisfaction had I not

seen, as I entered the enclosure of the mosque, a native badly

wounded on a charpoy, by which was sitting a woman in deep

affliction. The explanation given of this scene was, that "----

[the name of the Englishman was left blank] had been licking two

of his bearers (or servants), and had nearly murdered them." This

was one of the servants, and, without knowing or caring to know

the causes of such chastisement, I cannot but express my disgust

at the severity--to call it by no harsher name--of some of our

fellow-countrymen towards their domestics.'

The reading of that paragraph gave me extreme pain. People may fancy

that this does not matter much; but I say it matters very much. Under

any system of government you will have Englishmen scattered all over

India, and conduct like that I have just described, in any district,

must create ill feeling towards England, to your rule, to your

supremacy; and when that feeling has become sufficiently extensive, any

little accident may give fire to the train, and you may have calamities

more or less serious, such as we have had during the last twelve months.

You must change all this if you mean to keep India. I do not now make

any comment upon the mode in which this country has been put into

possession of India. I accept that possession as a fact. There we are;

we do not know how to leave it, and therefore let us see if we know how

to govern it. It is a problem such as, perhaps, no other nation has had

to solve. Let us see whether there is enough of intelligence and virtue

in England to solve the difficulty. In the first place, then, I say, let

us abandon all that system of calumny against the Natives of India which

has lately prevailed. Had that people not been docile, the most

governable race in the world, how could you have maintained your power

for 100 years? Are they not industrious, are they not intelligent, are

they not--upon the evidence of the most distinguished men the Indian

Service ever produced--endowed with many qualities which make them

respected by all Englishmen who mix with them? I have heard that from

many men of the widest experience, and have read the same in the works

of some of the best writers upon India. Then let us not have these

constant calumnies against such a people. Even now there are men who go

about the country speaking as if such things had never been

contradicted, and talking of mutilations and atrocities committed in

India. The less we say about atrocities the better. Great political

tumults are, I fear, never brought about or carried on without grievous

acts on both sides deeply to be regretted. At least, we are in the

position of invaders and conquerors--they are in the position of the

invaded and the conquered. Whether I were a native of India, or of

England, or of any other country, I would not the less assert the great

distinction between their position and ours in that country, and I would

not permit any man in my presence, without rebuke, to indulge in the

calumnies and expressions of contempt which I have recently heard poured

forth without measure upon the whole population of India.

There is one other point to which I wish to address myself before I sit

down, and in touching upon it I address myself especially to the noble

Lord (Lord Stanley) and his colleagues in the Government. If I had the

responsibility of administering the affairs of India, there are certain

things I would do. I would, immediately after this Bill passes, issue a

Proclamation in India which should reach every subject of the British

Crown in that country, and be heard of in the territories of every

Indian Prince or Rajah. I would offer a general amnesty. It is all very

well to talk of issuing an amnesty to all who have done nothing; but who

is there that has done nothing in such a state of affairs as has

prevailed during the past twelve months? If you pursue your vengeance

until you have rooted out and destroyed every one of those soldiers who

have revolted, when will your labour cease? If you are to punish every

non-military Native of India who has given a piece of bread or a cup of

water to a revolted trooper, how many Natives will escape your

punishment and your vengeance? I would have a general amnesty, which

should be put forth as the first great act done directly by the Queen of

England in the exercise of Sovereign power over the territories of

India. In this Proclamation 1 would promise to the Natives of India a

security for their property as complete as we have here at home; and I

would put an end to all those mischievous and irritating inquiries which

have been going on for years in many parts of India as to the title to

landed estates, by which you tell the people of that country that unless

each man can show an unimpeachable title to his property for ninety

years you will dispossess him. What would be the state of things here if

such a regulation were adopted?

I would also proclaim to the people of India that we would hold sacred

that right of adoption which has prevailed for centuries in that

country. It was only the other day that I had laid before me the case of

a Native Prince who has been most faithful to England during these

latter trials. When he came to the throne at ten years of age he was

made to sign a document, by which he agreed that if he had no children

his territories should be at the disposal of the British Government, or

what was called the paramount power. He has been married; he has had one

son and two or three daughters; but within the last few weeks his only

son has died. There is grief in the palace, and there is consternation

among the people, for the fact of this agreement entered into by the boy

of ten years old is well known to all the inhabitants of the country.

Representations have already been made to this country in the hope that

the Government will cancel that agreement, and allow the people of that

State to know that the right of adoption would not be taken from their

Prince in case he should have no other son. Let the Government do that,

and there is not a corner of India into which that intelligence would

not penetrate with the rapidity of lightning. And would not that calm

the anxieties of many of those independent Princes and Rajahs who are

only afraid that when these troubles are over, the English Government

will recommence that system of annexation out of which I believe all

these troubles have arisen?

I would tell them also in that Proclamation, that while the people of

England hold that their own, the Christian religion, is true and the

best for mankind, yet that it is consistent with that religion that they

who profess it should hold inviolable the rights of conscience and the

rights of religion in others. I would show, that whatever violent, over-

zealous, and fanatical men may have said in this country, the Parliament

of England, the Ministers of the Queen, and the Queen herself are

resolved that upon this point no kind of wrong should be done to the

millions who profess the religions held to be true in India. I would do

another thing. I would establish a Court of Appeal, the Judges of which

should be Judges of the highest character in India, for the settlement

of those many disputes which have arisen between the Government of India

and its subjects, some Native and some European. I would not suffer

these questions to come upon the floor of this House. I would not forbid

them by statute, but I would establish a Court which should render it

unnecessary for any man in India to cross the ocean to seek for that

justice which he would then be able to get in his own country without

corruption or secret bargain. Then I would carry out the proposition

which the noble Lord has made to-night, and which the right hon.

Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer made when he introduced his

Bill, that a Commission should be issued to inquire into the question of

finance. I would have other commissions, one for each Presidency, and I

would tell the people of India that there should be a searching inquiry

into their grievances, and that it was the interest and the will of the

Queen of England that those grievances should be redressed.

Now, perhaps I may be told that I am proposing strange things, quite out

of the ordinary routine of government. I admit it. We are in a position

that necessitates something out of the ordinary routine. There are

positions and times in the history of every country, as in the lives of

individuals, when courage and action are absolute salvation; and now the

Crown of England, acting by the advice of the responsible Ministers,

must, in my opinion, have recourse to a great and unusual measure in

order to allay the anxieties which prevail throughout the whole of

India. The people of India do not like us, but they scarcely know where

to turn if we left them. They are sheep literally without a shepherd.

They are people whom you have subdued, and who have the highest and

strongest claims upon you--claims which you cannot forget--claims which,

if you do not act upon, you may rely upon it that, if there be a

judgment for nations--as I believe there is--as for individuals, our

children in no distant generation must pay the penalty which we have

purchased by neglecting our duty to the populations of India.

I have now stated my views and opinions on this question, not at all in

a manner, I feel, equal to the question itself. I have felt the

difficulty in thinking of it; I feel the difficulty in speaking of it--

for there is far more in it and about it than any man, however much he

may be accustomed to think upon political questions, and to discuss

them, can comprise at all within the compass of a speech of ordinary

length. I have described the measures which I would at once adopt for

the purpose of soothing the agitation which now disturbs and menaces

every part of India, and of inviting the submission of those who are now

in arms against you. Now I believe--I speak in the most perfect honesty--

I believe that the announcement of these measures would avail more in

restoring tranquillity than the presence of an additional army, and I

believe that their full and honest adoption would enable you to retain

your power in India. I have sketched the form of government which I

would establish in India and at home, with the view of securing perfect

responsibility and an enlightened administration. I admit that these

things can only be obtained in degree, but I am convinced that a

Government such as that which I have sketched would be free from most of

the errors and the vices that have marked and marred your past career in

India. I have given much study to this great and solemn question. I

entreat the House to study it not only now, during the passing of this

Bill, but after the Session is over, and till we meet again next year,

when in all probability there must be further legislation upon this

great subject; for I believe that upon this question depends very much,

for good or for evil, the future of this country of which we are

citizens, and which we all regard and love so much. You have had enough

of military reputation on Eastern fields; you have gathered large

harvests of that commodity, be it valuable or be it worthless. I invite

you to something better, and higher, and holier than that; I invite you

to a glory not 'fanned by conquest's crimson wing,' but based upon the

solid and lasting benefits which I believe the Parliament of England

can, if it will, confer upon the countless populations of India.

* * * * *

INDIA.

III.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, MAY 20, 1858.

_From Hansard_.

[A despatch of Lord Ellenborough, the President of the Board of Control,

to Lord Canning, the Governor-General of India, had been laid before the

two Houses. This document severely censured the Governor-General's

policy in dealing with the talookdars of Oude. Immediate advantage was

taken of this document by the Opposition, and on the 10th of May Mr.

Cardwell gave notice in the Commons of a motion condemnatory of Lord

Ellenborough's despatch. Lord Ellenborough retired from the Government.

On May 14, however, Mr. Cardwell brought forward his motion in the House

of Commons, but, after a lengthened debate, consented to withdraw it, at

the earnest entreaty of many from his own side of the House.]

I am afraid I shall hardly be able to take part in this discussion in a

manner becoming the magnitude of the question before us, and in any

degree in accordance with the long anxiety which I have felt in regard

to Indian affairs, but I happen to have been unfortunately and

accidentally a good deal mixed up with these matters, and my name has

frequently been mentioned in the course of debate, not only in this but

in the other House of Parliament, and I am unwilling, therefore, to vote

without expressing my opinion upon the matter under discussion. First, I

may be allowed to explain that I think almost everything that has been

said and imagined with regard to the part that I have had in bringing on

this discussion has been altogether erroneous, and has no foundation

whatever. There was no arrangement between the hon. Gentleman the

Secretary of the Board of Control and myself with regard to the question

that I thought it my duty to put to him on the subject of Lord Canning's

Proclamation. I had spoken two or three weeks before the date of that

question to the hon. Gentleman, because I had been informed by a

respected friend of mine, Mr. Dickinson, the hon. secretary of the India

Reform Society, who has very great information on Indian affairs, that

he had received communications to the effect that some Proclamation of

this character was in preparation and was about to be issued. I spoke to

the hon. Member with regard to that report; and he told me that he had

received no communication which enabled him to give me any information

on the subject. I then intimated to him that in case there was anything

of the kind I should certainly put a question to the Government

respecting it. This was three weeks before the date of my question.

Well, I read the Proclamation in _The Times_ newspaper, the same

day that every one else read it; and I came down to the House, not

having seen the hon. Gentleman in the meantime. I met my hon. friend the

Member for Stockport (Mr. J. B. Smith) in Westminster Hall, and he told

me that having read the despatch, and knowing my intention with regard

to it, he, having met the hon. Gentleman (Mr. Baillie) that evening,

said to him he had no doubt that when I came down to the House I should

put a question respecting it. When I came down I put a question and

received an answer; both question and answer are before the House and

the country. But I confess I did not anticipate that we should lose a

week from the discussion of the Indian Resolutions on account of the

question which I then asked the hon. Gentleman the Secretary to the

Board of Control.

Now, Sir, with respect to the question before the House, I should have

been content to let it end when the hon. and learned Gentleman the

Solicitor-General sat down. I think, Sir, the House might have come to a

vote when the Solicitor-General finished his speech. I could not but

compare that speech with the speech of the right hon. Gentleman who

moved the Resolution now before the House. I thought the right hon.

Gentleman raked together a great many small things to make up a great

case. It appeared to me that he spoke as if his manner indicated that he

was not perfectly satisfied with the course he was pursuing. I think he

failed to stimulate himself with the idea that he was performing a great

public duty; for if he had been impressed with that idea I think his

subject would have enabled him to deliver a more lively and impressive

speech than that which he has made. But, Sir, I believe that every one

will admit that the speech of the Solicitor-General was characterised by

the closest logic and the most complete and exhaustive argument. There

is scarcely a Gentleman with whom I have spoken with regard to that

speech who does not admit that the hon. and learned Gentleman has seemed

to have taken up the whole question, and to have given a complete answer

to all serious charges brought against the Government.

This Motion is an important one in two aspects. First of all as respects

the interests of parties at home--which some people, probably, think the

more important of the interests concerned; and, secondly, as respects

the effect which will be produced in India when this discussion, with

the vote at which we arrive, reaches that country and is read there. The

princes, the rajahs, and intelligent landholders, whether under the

English Government or independent, will know very little about what we

understand by party; and any cabal or political conspiracy here will

have no influence on them. They know little of the persons who conduct

and take a part in the debate in this House; and the 'loud cheers' which

they will read of in our discussions Will be almost nothing to them. The

question to them will be, What is the opinion of the Parliament of

England as to the policy announced to India in the Proclamation?

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