I should say that the true philosopher would despise them.

Would you not say that he is entirely concerned with the

soul and not with the body? He would like, as far as he

can, to get away from the body and to turn to the soul.

Quite true.

In matters of this sort philosophers, above all other men,

may be observed in every sort of way to dissever the soul 65

from the communion of the body.

Very true.

Whereas, Simmias, the rest of the world are of opinion

that to him who has no sense of pleasure and no part in

bodily pleasure, life is not worth having; and that he who is

indifferent about them is as good as dead.

That is also true.

[Sidenote: _The doctrine of ideas._]

[Sidenote: The senses are untrustworthy guides: they mislead the soul in

the search for truth.]

What again shall we say of the actual acquirement of

knowledge?—is the body, if invited to share in the enquiry,

a hinderer or a helper? I mean to say, have sight and

hearing any truth in them? Are they not, as the poets are

always telling us, inaccurate witnesses? and yet, if even they

are inaccurate and indistinct, what is to be said of the other

senses?—for you will allow that they are the best of them?

Certainly, he replied.

Then when does the soul attain truth?—for in attempting

to consider anything in company with the body she is

obviously deceived.

True.

Then must not true existence be revealed to her in thought,

if at all?

Yes.

And thought is best when the mind is gathered into herself

and none of these things trouble her—neither sounds nor

sights nor pain nor any pleasure,—when she takes leave of

the body, and has as little as possible to do with it, when she

has no bodily sense or desire, but is aspiring after true

being?

Certainly.

[Sidenote: And therefore the philosopher runs away from the body.]

And in this the philosopher dishonours the body; his soul

runs away from his body and desires to be alone and by

herself?

That is true.

[Sidenote: Another argument. The absolute truth of justice, beauty,

and other ideas is not perceived by the senses, which only introduce a

disturbing element.]

Well, but there is another thing, Simmias: Is there or is

there not an absolute justice?

Assuredly there is.

And an absolute beauty and absolute good?

Of course.

But did you ever behold any of them with your eyes?

Certainly not.

Or did you ever reach them with any other bodily sense?—and

I speak not of these alone, but of absolute greatness,

and health, and strength, and of the essence or true nature of

everything. Has the reality of them ever been perceived by

you through the bodily organs? or rather, is not the nearest

approach to the knowledge of their several natures made by

him who so orders his intellectual vision as to have the most

exact conception of the essence of each thing which he

considers?

[Sidenote: _The bodily nature._]

Certainly.

And he attains to the purest knowledge of them who goes

to each with the mind alone, not introducing or intruding in

the act of thought sight or any other sense together with

reason, but with the very light of the mind in her own clearness 66

searches into the very truth of each; he who has got

rid, as far as he can, of eyes and ears and, so to speak, of the

whole body, these being in his opinion distracting elements

which when they infect the soul hinder her from acquiring

truth and knowledge—who, if not he, is likely to attain to the

knowledge of true being?

What you say has a wonderful truth in it, Socrates, replied

Simmias.

[Sidenote: The soul in herself must perceive things in themselves.]

And when real philosophers consider all these things, will

they not be led to make a reflection which they will express

in words something like the following? ‘Have we not found,’

they will say, ‘a path of thought which seems to bring us and

our argument to the conclusion, that while we are in the

body, and while the soul is infected with the evils of the body,

our desire will not be satisfied? and our desire is of the truth.

For the body is a source of endless trouble to us by reason of

the mere requirement of food; and is liable also to diseases

which overtake and impede us in the search after true being:

it fills us full of loves, and lusts, and fears, and fancies of all

kinds, and endless foolery, and in fact, as men say, takes

away from us the power of thinking at all. Whence come

wars, and fightings, and factions? whence but from the body

and the lusts of the body? Wars are occasioned by the love

of money, and money has to be acquired for the sake and in

the service of the body; and by reason of all these impediments

we have no time to give to philosophy; and, last and

worst of all, even if we are at leisure and betake ourselves to

some speculation, the body is always breaking in upon us,

causing turmoil and confusion in our enquiries, and so

amazing us that we are prevented from seeing the truth.

It has been proved to us by experience that if we would have

pure knowledge of anything we must be quit of the body—the

soul in herself must behold things in themselves: and

then we shall attain the wisdom which we desire, and of

which we say that we are lovers; not while we live, but after

death; for if while in company with the body, the soul

cannot have pure knowledge, one of two things follows—either

knowledge is not to be attained at all, or, if at all, after

death. For then, and not till then, the soul will be parted 67

from the body and exist in herself alone. In this present

life, I reckon that we make the nearest approach to knowledge

when we have the least possible intercourse or communion

with the body, and are not surfeited with the bodily

nature, but keep ourselves pure until the hour when God

himself is pleased to release us. And thus having got rid of

the foolishness of the body we shall be pure and hold converse

with the pure, and know of ourselves the clear light

everywhere, which is no other than the light of truth.’ For

the impure are not permitted to approach the pure. These

are the sort of words, Simmias, which the true lovers of

knowledge cannot help saying to one another, and thinking.

You would agree; would you not?

[Sidenote: _The hope of the departing soul._]

Undoubtedly, Socrates.

But, O my friend, if this be true, there is great reason to

hope that, going whither I go, when I have come to the end

of my journey, I shall attain that which has been the pursuit

of my life. And therefore I go on my way rejoicing, and not

I only, but every other man who believes that his mind has

been made ready and that he is in a manner purified.

Certainly, replied Simmias.

[Sidenote: Purification is the separation of the soul from the body.]

And what is purification but the separation of the soul

from the body, as I was saying before; the habit of the soul

gathering and collecting herself into herself from all sides

out of the body; the dwelling in her own place alone, as in

another life, so also in this, as far as she can;—the release

of the soul from the chains of the body?

Very true, he said.

And this separation and release of the soul from the body

is termed death?

To be sure, he said.

And the true philosophers, and they only, are ever seeking

to release the soul. Is not the separation and release of the

soul from the body their especial study?

That is true.

[Sidenote: _The true philosopher._]

And, as I was saying at first, there would be a ridiculous

contradiction in men studying to live as nearly as they can in

a state of death, and yet repining when it comes upon them.

Clearly.

[Sidenote: And therefore the true philosopher who has been always trying

to disengage himself from the body will rejoice in death.]

And the true philosophers, Simmias, are always occupied

in the practice of dying, wherefore also to them least of all

men is death terrible. Look at the matter thus:—if they

have been in every way the enemies of the body, and are

wanting to be alone with the soul, when this desire of theirs

is granted, how inconsistent would they be if they trembled

and repined, instead of rejoicing at their departure to that

place where, when they arrive, they hope to gain that which

in life they desired—and this was wisdom—and at the same 68

time to be rid of the company of their enemy. Many a man

has been willing to go to the world below animated by the

hope of seeing there an earthly love, or wife, or son, and

conversing with them. And will he who is a true lover of

wisdom, and is strongly persuaded in like manner that only

in the world below he can worthily enjoy her, still repine at

death? Will he not depart with joy? Surely he will, O my

friend, if he be a true philosopher. For he will have a firm

conviction that there, and there only, he can find wisdom in

her purity. And if this be true, he would be very absurd, as

I was saying, if he were afraid of death.

He would indeed, replied Simmias.

And when you see a man who is repining at the approach

of death, is not his reluctance a sufficient proof that he is not

a lover of wisdom, but a lover of the body, and probably

at the same time a lover of either money or power, or both?

Quite so, he replied.

And is not courage, Simmias, a quality which is specially

characteristic of the philosopher?

Certainly.

[Sidenote: He alone possesses the true secret of virtue, which in

ordinary men is merely based on a calculation of lesser and greater

evils.]

There is temperance again, which even by the vulgar is

supposed to consist in the control and regulation of the

passions, and in the sense of superiority to them—is not

temperance a virtue belonging to those only who despise the

body, and who pass their lives in philosophy?

Most assuredly.

For the courage and temperance of other men, if you will

consider them, are really a contradiction.

[Sidenote: _The exchange of virtue._]

How so?

Well, he said, you are aware that death is regarded by

men in general as a great evil.

Very true, he said.

And do not courageous men face death because they are

afraid of yet greater evils?

That is quite true.

[Sidenote: Ordinary men are courageous only from cowardice; temperate

from intemperance.]

Then all but the philosophers are courageous only from

fear, and because they are afraid; and yet that a man should

be courageous from fear, and because he is a coward, is

surely a strange thing.

Very true.

And are not the temperate exactly in the same case?

They are temperate because they are intemperate—which

might seem to be a contradiction, but is nevertheless the sort

of thing which happens with this foolish temperance. For

there are pleasures which they are afraid of losing; and in

their desire to keep them, they abstain from some pleasures,

because they are overcome by others and although to be

conquered by pleasure is called by men intemperance, to 69

them the conquest of pleasure consists in being conquered

by pleasure. And that is what I mean by saying that, in a

sense, they are made temperate through intemperance.

Such appears to be the case.

[Sidenote: True virtue is inseparable from wisdom.]

[Sidenote: _The incredulity of Cebes._]

[Sidenote: The thyrsus-bearers and the mystics.]

Yet the exchange of one fear or pleasure or pain for

another fear or pleasure or pain, and of the greater for the

less, as if they were coins, is not the exchange of virtue. O

my blessed Simmias, is there not one true coin for which all

things ought to be exchanged?—and that is wisdom; and

only in exchange for this, and in company with this, is anything

truly bought or sold, whether courage or temperance

or justice. And is not all true virtue the companion of

wisdom, no matter what fears or pleasures or other similar

goods or evils may or may not attend her? But the virtue

which is made up of these goods, when they are severed

from wisdom and exchanged with one another, is a shadow

of virtue only, nor is there any freedom or health or truth in

her; but in the true exchange there is a purging away of all

these things, and temperance, and justice, and courage, and

wisdom herself are the purgation of them. The founders of

the mysteries would appear to have had a real meaning, and

were not talking nonsense when they intimated in a figure

long ago that he who passes unsanctified and uninitiated into

the world below will lie in a slough, but that he who arrives

there after initiation and purification will dwell with the

gods. For ‘many,’ as they say in the mysteries, ‘are the

thyrsus-bearers, but few are the mystics,’—meaning, as I

interpret the words, ‘the true philosophers.’ In the number

of whom, during my whole life, I have been seeking, according

to my ability, to find a place;—whether I have sought in

a right way or not, and whether I have succeeded or not, I

shall truly know in a little while, if God will, when I myself

arrive in the other world—such is my belief. And therefore

I maintain that I am right, Simmias and Cebes, in not

grieving or repining at parting from you and my masters

in this world, for I believe that I shall equally find good

masters and friends in another world. But most men do

not believe this saying; if then I succeed in convincing you

by my defence better than I did the Athenian judges, it will

be well.

[Sidenote: Fears are entertained lest the soul when she dies should be

scattered to the winds.]

Cebes answered: I agree, Socrates, in the greater part of

what you say. But in what concerns the soul, men are apt 70

to be incredulous; they fear that when she has left the body

her place may be nowhere, and that on the very day of death

she may perish and come to an end—immediately on her release

from the body, issuing forth dispersed like smoke or

air and in her flight vanishing away into nothingness. If

she could only be collected into herself after she has obtained

release from the evils of which you were speaking, there

would be good reason to hope, Socrates, that what you say

is true. But surely it requires a great deal of argument and

many proofs to show that when the man is dead his soul

yet exists, and has any force or intelligence.

True, Cebes, said Socrates; and shall I suggest that we

converse a little of the probabilities of these things?

I am sure, said Cebes, that I should greatly like to know

your opinion about them.

[Sidenote: The discussion suited to the occasion.]

I reckon, said Socrates, that no one who heard me now,

not even if he were one of my old enemies, the Comic poets,

could accuse me of idle talking about matters in which I

have no concern:—If you please, then, we will proceed with

the enquiry.

[Sidenote: _The alternation of all existence._]

Suppose we consider the question whether the souls of men

after death are or are not in the world below. There comes

into my mind an ancient doctrine which affirms that they

go from hence into the other world, and returning hither, are

born again from the dead. Now if it be true that the living

come from the dead, then our souls must exist in the other

world, for if not, how could they have been born again?

And this would be conclusive, if there were any real evidence

that the living are only born from the dead; but if this is not

so, then other arguments will have to be adduced.

Very true, replied Cebes.

[Sidenote: All things which have opposites are generated out of

opposites.]

Then let us consider the whole question, not in relation to

man only, but in relation to animals generally, and to plants,

and to everything of which there is generation, and the proof

will be easier. Are not all things which have opposites

generated out of their opposites? I mean such things as

good and evil, just and unjust—and there are innumerable

other opposites which are generated out of opposites. And I

want to show that in all opposites there is of necessity a

similar alternation; I mean to say, for example, that anything

which becomes greater must become greater after being

less.

True.

And that which becomes less must have been once greater

and then have become less. 71

Yes.

And the weaker is generated from the stronger, and the

swifter from the slower.

Very true.

And the worse is from the better, and the more just is from

the more unjust.

Of course.

And is this true of all opposites? and are we convinced

that all of them are generated out of opposites?

Yes.

[Sidenote: _Life and death like waking and sleeping._]

[Sidenote: And there are intermediate processes or passages into and

out of one another, such as increase and diminution, division and

composition, and the like.]

And in this universal opposition of all things, are there not

also two intermediate processes which are ever going on, from

one to the other opposite, and back again; where there is a

greater and a less there is also an intermediate process of

increase and diminution, and that which grows is said to

wax, and that which decays to wane?

Yes, he said.

And there are many other processes, such as division and

composition, cooling and heating, which equally involve a

passage into and out of one another. And this necessarily

holds of all opposites, even though not always expressed in

words—they are really generated out of one another, and

there is a passing or process from one to the other of them?

Very true, he replied.

Well, and is there not an opposite of life, as sleep is the

opposite of waking?

True, he said.

And what is it?

Death, he answered.

And these, if they are opposites, are generated the one

from the other, and have their two intermediate processes

also?

Of course.

Now, said Socrates, I will analyze one of the two pairs of

opposites which I have mentioned to you, and also its intermediate

processes, and you shall analyze the other to me.

One of them I term sleep, the other waking. The state of

sleep is opposed to the state of waking, and out of sleeping

waking is generated, and out of waking, sleeping; and the

process of generation is in the one case falling asleep, and in

the other waking up. Do you agree?

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