It is thus in private life. We should not be justified in injuring a

stranger in order to benefit ourselves or those who are dearest to us.

Every stranger is entitled, by the laws of humanity, to claim from us

certain reasonable good offices. But it is not true that we are bound

to exert ourselves to serve a mere stranger as we are bound to exert

ourselves to serve our own relations. A man would not be justified in

subjecting his wife and children to disagreeable privations, in order to

save even from utter ruin some foreigner whom he never saw. And if a

man were so absurd and perverse as to starve his own family in order

to relieve people with whom he had no acquaintance, there can be

little doubt that his crazy charity would produce much more misery than

happiness.

It is the same with nations. No statesmen ought to injure other

countries in order to benefit his own country. No statesman ought to

lose any fair opportunity of rendering to foreign nations such good

offices as he can render without a breach of the duty which he owes to

the society of which he is a member. But, after all, our country is our

country, and has the first claim on our attention. There is nothing, I

conceive, of narrow-mindedness in this patriotism. I do not say that we

ought to prefer the happiness of one particular society to the happiness

of mankind; but I say that, by exerting ourselves to promote the

happiness of the society with which we are most nearly connected, and

with which we are best acquainted, we shall do more to promote the

happiness of mankind than by busying ourselves about matters which we do

not fully understand, and cannot efficiently control.

There are great evils connected with the factory system in this country.

Some of those evils might, I am inclined to think, be removed or

mitigated by legislation. On that point many of my friends differ

from me; but we all agree in thinking that it is the duty of a British

Legislator to consider the subject attentively, and with a serious sense

of responsibility. There are also great social evils in Russia. The

peasants of that empire are in a state of servitude. The sovereign of

Russia is bound by the most solemn obligations to consider whether he

can do anything to improve the condition of that large portion of his

subjects. If we watch over our factory children, and he watches over

his peasants, much good may be done. But would any good be done if

the Emperor of Russia and the British Parliament were to interchange

functions; if he were to take under his patronage the weavers of

Lancashire, if we were to take under our patronage the peasants of the

Volga; if he were to say, "You shall send no cotton to Russia till you

pass a ten Hours' Bill;" if we were to say, "You shall send no hemp or

tallow to England till you emancipate your serfs?"

On these principles, Sir, which seem to me to be the principles of plain

common sense, I can, without resorting to any casuistical subtilties,

vindicate to my own conscience, and, I hope, to my country, the whole

course which I have pursued with respect to slavery. When I first came

into Parliament, slavery still existed in the British dominions. I had,

as it was natural that I should have, a strong feeling on the subject.

I exerted myself, according to my station and to the measure of my

abilities, on the side of the oppressed. I shrank from no personal

sacrifice in that cause. I do not mention this as matter of boast. It

was no more than my duty. The right honourable gentleman, the Secretary

of State for the Home Department, knows that, in 1833, I disapproved

of one part of the measure which Lord Grey's Government proposed on the

subject of slavery. I was in office; and office was then as important

to me as it could be to any man. I put my resignation into the hands of

Lord Spencer, and both spoke and voted against the Administration. To my

surprise, Lord Grey and Lord Spencer refused to accept my resignation,

and I remained in office; but during some days I considered myself as

out of the service of the Crown. I at the same time heartily joined in

laying a heavy burden on the country for the purpose of compensating the

planters. I acted thus, because, being a British Legislator, I thought

myself bound, at any cost to myself and to my constituents, to remove a

foul stain from the British laws, and to redress the wrongs endured by

persons who, as British subjects, were placed under my guardianship. But

my especial obligations in respect of negro slavery ceased when slavery

itself ceased in that part of the world for the welfare of which I, as

a member of this House, was accountable. As for the blacks in the United

States, I feel for them, God knows. But I am not their keeper. I do not

stand in the same relation to the slaves of Louisiana and Alabama in

which I formerly stood to the slaves of Demerara and Jamaica. I am

bound, on the other hand, by the most solemn obligations, to promote the

interests of millions of my own countrymen, who are indeed by no means

in a state so miserable and degraded as that of the slaves in the United

States, but who are toiling hard from sunrise to sunset in order to

obtain a scanty subsistence; who are often scarcely able to procure the

necessaries of life; and whose lot would be alleviated if I could open

new markets to them, and free them from taxes which now press heavily

on their industry. I see clearly that, by excluding the produce of slave

labour from our ports, I should inflict great evil on my fellow-subjects

and constituents. But the good which, by taking such a course, I should

do to the negroes in the United States seems to me very problematical.

That by admitting slave grown cotton and slave grown sugar we do, in

some sense, encourage slavery and the Slave Trade, may be true. But

I doubt whether, by turning our fiscal code into a penal code for

restraining the cruelty of the American planters, we should not, on

the whole, injure the negroes rather than benefit them. No independent

nation will endure to be told by another nation, "We are more virtuous

than you; we have sate in judgment on your institutions; we find them

to be bad; and, as a punishment for your offences, we condemn you to pay

higher duties at our Custom House than we demand from the rest of the

world." Such language naturally excites the resentment of foreigners.

I can make allowance for their susceptibility. For I myself sympathise

with them, I know that Ireland has been misgoverned; and I have done,

and purpose to do, my best to redress her grievances. But when I take up

a New York journal, and read there the rants of President Tyler's son, I

feel so much disgusted by such insolent absurdity that I am for a moment

inclined to deny that Ireland has any reason whatever to complain. It

seems to me that if ever slavery is peaceably extinguished in the United

States, that great and happy change must be brought about by the efforts

of those enlightened and respectable American citizens who hate slavery

as much as we hate it. Now I cannot help fearing that, if the British

Parliament were to proclaim itself the protector and avenger of the

American slave, the pride of those excellent persons would take the

alarm. It might become a point of national honour with them to stand by

an institution which they have hitherto regarded as a national disgrace.

We should thus confer no benefit on the negro; and we should at the same

time inflict cruel suffering on our own countrymen.

On these grounds, Sir, I can, with a clear conscience, vote for the

right honourable Baronet's propositions respecting the cotton and sugar

of the United States. But on exactly the same grounds I can, with a

clear conscience, vote for the amendment of my noble friend. And I

confess that I shall be much surprised if the right honourable Baronet

shall be able to point out any distinction between the cases.

I have detained you too long, Sir; yet there is one point to which I

must refer; I mean the refining. Was such a distinction ever heard of?

Is there anything like it in all Pascal's Dialogues with the old Jesuit?

Not for the world are we to eat one ounce of Brazilian sugar. But we

import the accursed thing; we bond it; we employ our skill and machinery

to render it more alluring to the eye and to the palate; we export it

to Leghorn and Hamburg; we send it to all the coffee houses of Italy

and Germany: we pocket a profit on all this; and then we put on a

Pharisaical air, and thank God that we are not like those wicked

Italians and Germans who have no scruple about swallowing slave grown

sugar. Surely this sophistry is worthy only of the worst class of false

witnesses. "I perjure myself! Not for the world. I only kissed my thumb;

I did not put my lips to the calf-skin." I remember something very like

the right honourable Baronet's morality in a Spanish novel which I

read long ago. I beg pardon of the House for detaining them with such a

trifle; but the story is much to the purpose. A wandering lad, a sort

of Gil Blas, is taken into the service of a rich old silversmith, a most

pious man, who is always telling his beads, who hears mass daily,

and observes the feasts and fasts of the church with the utmost

scrupulosity. The silversmith is always preaching honesty and piety.

"Never," he constantly repeats to his young assistant, "never touch what

is not your own; never take liberties with sacred things." Sacrilege, as

uniting theft with profaneness, is the sin of which he has the deepest

horror. One day, while he is lecturing after his usual fashion, an

ill-looking fellow comes into the shop with a sack under his arm. "Will

you buy these?" says the visitor, and produces from the sack some church

plate and a rich silver crucifix. "Buy them!" cries the pious man. "No,

nor touch them; not for the world. I know where you got them. Wretch

that you are, have you no care for your soul?" "Well then," says the

thief, "if you will not buy them, will you melt them down for me?" "Melt

them down!" answers the silver smith, "that is quite another matter."

He takes the chalices and the crucifix with a pair of tongs; the silver,

thus in bond, is dropped into the crucible, melted, and delivered to the

thief, who lays down five pistoles and decamps with his booty. The

young servant stares at this strange scene. But the master very

gravely resumes his lecture. "My son," he says, "take warning by that

sacrilegious knave, and take example by me. Think what a load of guilt

lies on his conscience. You will see him hanged before long. But as to

me, you saw that I would not touch the stolen property. I keep these

tongs for such occasions. And thus I thrive in the fear of God, and

manage to turn an honest penny." You talk of morality. What can be more

immoral than to bring ridicule on the very name of morality, by drawing

distinctions where there are no differences? Is it not enough that this

dishonest casuistry has already poisoned our theology? Is it not enough

that a set of quibbles has been devised, under cover of which a divine

may hold the worst doctrines of the Church of Rome, and may hold with

them the best benefice of the Church of England? Let us at least keep

the debates of this House free from the sophistry of Tract Number

Ninety.

And then the right honourable gentleman, the late President of the Board

of Trade, wonders that other nations consider our abhorrence of slavery

and the Slave Trade as sheer hypocrisy. Why, Sir, how should it be

otherwise? And, if the imputation annoys us, whom have we to thank for

it? Numerous and malevolent as our detractors are, none of them was ever

so absurd as to charge us with hypocrisy because we took slave grown

tobacco and slave grown cotton, till the Government began to affect

scruples about admitting slave grown sugar. Of course, as soon as our

Ministers ostentatiously announced to all the world that our fiscal

system was framed on a new and sublime moral principle, everybody

began to inquire whether we consistently adhered to that principle. It

required much less acuteness and much less malevolence than that of our

neighbours to discover that this hatred of slave grown produce was mere

grimace. They see that we not only take tobacco produced by means of

slavery and of the Slave Trade, but that we positively interdict freemen

in this country from growing tobacco. They see that we not only take

cotton produced by means of slavery and of the Slave Trade, but that we

are about to exempt this cotton from all duty. They see that we are at

this moment reducing the duty on the slave grown sugar of Louisiana.

How can we expect them to believe that it is from a sense of justice and

humanity that we lay a prohibitory duty on the sugar of Brazil? I care

little for the abuse which any foreign press or any foreign tribune may

throw on the Machiavelian policy of perfidious Albion. What gives me

pain is, not that the charge of hypocrisy is made, but that I am unable

to see how it is to be refuted.

Yet one word more. The right honourable gentleman, the late President

of the Board of Trade, has quoted the opinions of two persons, highly

distinguished by the exertions which they made for the abolition of

slavery, my lamented friend, Sir Thomas Fowell Buxton, and Sir Stephen

Lushington. It is most true that those eminent persons did approve of

the principle laid down by the right honourable Baronet opposite in

1841. I think that they were in error; but in their error I am sure

that they were sincere, and I firmly believe that they would have been

consistent. They would have objected, no doubt, to my noble friend's

amendment; but they would have objected equally to the right honourable

Baronet's budget. It was not prudent, I think, in gentlemen opposite

to allude to those respectable names. The mention of those names

irresistibly carries the mind back to the days of the great struggle for

negro freedom. And it is but natural that we should ask where, during

that struggle, were those who now profess such loathing for slave grown

sugar? The three persons who are chiefly responsible for the financial

and commercial policy of the present Government I take to be the right

honourable Baronet at the head of the Treasury, the right honourable

gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the right honourable

gentleman the late President of the Board of Trade. Is there anything

in the past conduct of any one of the three which can lead me to believe

that his sensibility to the evils of slavery is greater than mine? I am

sure that the right honourable Baronet the first Lord of the Treasury

would think that I was speaking ironically if I were to compliment him

on his zeal for the liberty of the negro race. Never once, during the

whole of the long and obstinate conflict which ended in the abolition of

slavery in our colonies, did he give one word, one sign of encouragement

to those who suffered and laboured for the good cause. The whole weight

of his great abilities and influence was in the other scale. I well

remember that, so late as 1833, he declared in this House that he could

give his assent neither to the plan of immediate emancipation proposed

by my noble friend who now represents Sunderland (Lord Howick.), nor to

the plan of gradual emancipation proposed by Lord Grey's government.

I well remember that he said, "I shall claim no credit hereafter on

account of this bill; all that I desire is to be absolved from the

responsibility." As to the other two right honourable gentlemen whom

I have mentioned, they are West Indians; and their conduct was that

of West Indians. I do not wish to give them pain, or to throw any

disgraceful imputation on them. Personally I regard them with feelings

of goodwill and respect. I do not question their sincerity; but I know

that the most honest men are but too prone to deceive themselves into

the belief that the path towards which they are impelled by their own

interests and passions is the path of duty. I am conscious that this

might be my own case; and I believe it to be theirs. As the right

honourable gentleman, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, has left the

House, I will only say that, with respect to the question of slavery,

he acted after the fashion of the class to which he belonged. But as the

right honourable gentleman, the late President of the Board of Trade,

is in his place, he must allow me to bring to his recollection the part

which he took in the debates of 1833. He then said, "You raise a great

clamour about the cultivation of sugar. You say that it is a species of

industry fatal to the health and life of the slave. I do not deny that

there is some difference between the labour of a sugar plantation and

the labour of a cotton plantation, or a coffee plantation. But the

difference is not so great as you think. In marshy soils, the slaves who

cultivate the sugar cane suffer severely. But in Barbadoes, where the

air is good, they thrive and multiply." He proceeded to say that, even

at the worst, the labour of a sugar plantation was not more unhealthy

than some kinds of labour in which the manufacturers of England are

employed, and which nobody thinks of prohibiting. He particularly

mentioned grinding. "See how grinding destroys the health, the sight,

the life. Yet there is no outcry against grinding." He went on to say

that the whole question ought to be left by Parliament to the West

Indian Legislature. [Mr Gladstone: "Really I never said so. You are not

quoting me at all correctly."] What, not about the sugar cultivation and

the grinding? [Mr Gladstone: "That is correct; but I never recommended

that the question should be left to the West Indian Legislatures."] I

have quoted correctly. But since my right honourable friend disclaims

the sentiment imputed to him by the reporters, I shall say no more about

it. I have no doubt that he is quite right, and that what he said was

misunderstood. What is undisputed is amply sufficient for my purpose.

I see that the persons who now show so much zeal against slavery in

foreign countries, are the same persons who formerly countenanced

slavery in the British Colonies. I remember a time when they maintained

that we were bound in justice to protect slave grown sugar against the

competition of free grown sugar, and even of British free grown sugar.

I now hear them calling on us to protect free grown sugar against the

competition of slave grown sugar. I remember a time when they extenuated

as much as they could the evils of the sugar cultivation. I now hear

them exaggerating those evils. But, devious as their course has been,

there is one clue by which I can easily track them through the whole

maze. Inconstant in everything else, they are constant in demanding

protection for the West Indian planter. While he employs slaves, they

do their best to apologise for the evils of slavery. As soon as he is

forced to employ freemen, they begin to cry up the blessings of freedom.

They go round the whole compass, and yet to one point they steadfastly

adhere: and that point is the interest of the West Indian proprietors.

I have done, Sir; and I thank the House most sincerely for the patience

and indulgence with which I have been heard. I hope that I have at

least vindicated my own consistency. How Her Majesty's Ministers will

vindicate their consistency, how they will show that their conduct has

at all times been guided by the same principles, or even that their

conduct at the present time is guided by any fixed principle at all, I

am unable to conjecture.

*****

MAYNOOTH. (APRIL 14, 1845) A SPEECH DELIVERED IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS ON

THE 14TH OF APRIL, 1845.

On Saturday the eleventh of April, 1845, Sir Robert Peel moved the

second reading of the Maynooth College Bill. After a debate of six

nights the motion was carried by 323 votes to 176. On the second night

the following Speech was made.

I do not mean, Sir, to follow the honourable gentleman who has just sate

down into a discussion on an amendment which is not now before us. When

my honourable friend the Member for Sheffield shall think it expedient

to make a motion on that important subject to which he has repeatedly

called the attention of the House, I may, perhaps, ask to be heard.

At present I shall content myself with explaining the reasons which

convince me that it is my duty to vote for the second reading of this

bill; and I cannot, I think, better explain those reasons than by

passing in review, as rapidly as I can, the chief objections which have

been made to the bill here and elsewhere.

The objectors, Sir, may be divided into three classes. The first class

consists of those persons who object, not to the principle of the grant

to Maynooth College, but merely to the amount. The second class consists

of persons who object on principle to all grants made to a church which

they regard as corrupt. The third class consists of persons who object

on principle to all grants made to churches, whether corrupt or pure.

Now, Sir, of those three classes the first is evidently that which

takes the most untenable ground. How any person can think that Maynooth

College ought to be supported by public money, and yet can think

this bill too bad to be suffered to go into Committee, I do not well

understand. I am forced however to believe that there are many such

persons. For I cannot but remember that the old annual vote attracted

scarcely any notice; and I see that this bill has produced violent

excitement. I cannot but remember that the old annual vote used to pass

with very few dissentients; and I see that great numbers of gentlemen,

who never were among those dissentients, have crowded down to the House

in order to divide against this bill. It is indeed certain that a large

proportion, I believe a majority, of those members who cannot, as

they assure us, conscientiously support the plan proposed by the right

honourable Baronet at the head of the Government, would without the

smallest scruple have supported him if he had in this, as in former

years, asked us to give nine thousand pounds for twelve months. So it

is: yet I cannot help wondering that it should be so. For how can

any human ingenuity turn a question between nine thousand pounds and

twenty-six thousand pounds, or between twelve months and an indefinite

number of months, into a question of principle? Observe: I am not now

answering those who maintain that nothing ought to be given out of

the public purse to a corrupt church; nor am I now answering those who

maintain that nothing ought to be given out of the public purse to

any church whatever. They, I admit, oppose this bill on principle. I

perfectly understand, though I do not myself hold, the opinion of the

zealous voluntary who says, "Whether the Roman Catholic Church teaches

truth or error, she ought to have no assistance from the State." I also

perfectly understand, though I do not myself hold, the opinion of the

zealous Protestant who says, "The Roman Catholic Church teaches error,

and therefore ought to have no assistance from the State." But I cannot

understand the reasoning of the man who says, "In spite of the errors

of the Roman Catholic Church, I think that she ought to have some

assistance from the State; but I am bound to mark my abhorrence of her

errors by doling out to her a miserable pittance. Her tenets are so

absurd and noxious that I will pay the professor who teaches them wages

less than I should offer to my groom. Her rites are so superstitious

that I will take care that they shall be performed in a chapel with a

leaky roof and a dirty floor. By all means let us keep her a college,

provided only that it be a shabby one. Let us support those who are

intended to teach her doctrines and to administer her sacraments to the

next generation, provided only that every future priest shall cost us

less than a foot soldier. Let us board her young theologians; but let

their larder be so scantily supplied that they may be compelled to break

up before the regular vacation from mere want of food. Let us lodge

them; but let their lodging be one in which they may be packed like pigs

in a stye, and be punished for their heterodoxy by feeling the snow and

the wind through the broken panes." Is it possible to conceive anything

more absurd or more disgraceful? Can anything be clearer than this, that

whatever it is lawful to do it is lawful to do well? If it be right that

we should keep up this college at all, it must be right that we should

keep it up respectably. Our national dignity is concerned. For this

institution, whether good or bad, is, beyond all dispute, a very

important institution. Its office is to form the character of those who

are to form the character of millions. Whether we ought to extend any

patronage to such an institution is a question about which wise and

honest men may differ. But that, as we do extend our patronage to such

an institution, our patronage ought to be worthy of the object, and

worthy of the greatness of our country, is a proposition from which I am

astonished to hear any person dissent.

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