It was, as I have said, absolutely impossible to bring the question

between commerce and territory to a satisfactory adjudication; and I

must add that, even if the difficulties which I have mentioned could

have been surmounted, even if there had been reason to hope that a

satisfactory adjudication could have been obtained, I should still

have wished to avoid that course. I think it desirable that the Company

should continue to have a share in the government of India; and it would

evidently have been impossible, pending a litigation between commerce

and territory, to leave any political power to the Company. It

would clearly have been the duty of those who were charged with the

superintendence of India, to be the patrons of India throughout that

momentous litigation, to scrutinise with the utmost severity every claim

which might be made on the Indian revenues, and to oppose, with energy

and perseverance, every such claim, unless its justice were manifest.

If the Company was to be engaged in a suit for many millions, in a suit

which might last for many years, against the Indian territory, could we

entrust the Company with the government of that territory? Could we put

the plaintiff in the situation of prochain ami of the defendant? Could

we appoint governors who would have an interest opposed in the most

direct manner to the interest of the governed, whose stock would have

been raised in value by every decision which added to the burthens of

their subjects, and depressed by every decision which diminished those

burthens? It would be absurd to suppose that they would efficiently

defend our Indian Empire against the claims which they were themselves

bringing against it; and it would be equally absurd to give the

government of the Indian Empire to those who could not be trusted to

defend its interests.

Seeing, then, that it was most difficult, if not wholly impossible, to

resort to adjudication between commerce and territory, seeing that,

if recourse were had to adjudication, it would be necessary to make a

complete revolution in the whole constitution of India, the Government

has proposed a compromise. That compromise, with some modifications

which did not in the slightest degree affect its principle, and which,

while they gave satisfaction to the Company, will eventually lay no

additional burthen on the territory, has been accepted. It has, like

all other compromises, been loudly censured by violent partisans on

both sides. It has been represented by some as far too favourable to the

Company, and by others as most unjust to the Company. Sir, I own that we

cannot prove that either of these accusations is unfounded. It is of the

very essence of our case that we should not be able to show that we have

assigned, either to commerce or to territory, its precise due. For our

principal reason for recommending a compromise was our full conviction

that it was absolutely impossible to ascertain with precision what was

due to commerce and what was due to territory. It is not strange that

some people should accuse us of robbing the Company, and others of

conferring a vast boon on the Company, at the expense of India: for

we have proposed a middle course, on the very ground that there was

a chance of a result much more favourable to the Company than our

arrangement, and a chance also of a result much less favourable. If the

questions pending between the Company and India had been decided as the

ardent supporters of the Company predicted, India would, if I calculate

rightly, have paid eleven millions more than she will now have to pay.

If those questions had been decided as some violent enemies of the

Company predicted, that great body would have been utterly ruined. The

very meaning of compromise is that each party gives up his chance of

complete success, in order to be secured against the chance of utter

failure. And, as men of sanguine minds always overrate the chances in

their own favour, every fair compromise is sure to be severely censured

on both sides. I conceive that, in a case so dark and complicated as

this, the compromise which we recommend is sufficiently vindicated, if

it cannot be proved to be unfair. We are not bound to prove it to be

fair. For it would have been unnecessary for us to resort to compromise

at all if we had been in possession of evidence which would have enabled

us to pronounce, with certainty, what claims were fair and what were

unfair. It seems to me that we have acted with due consideration for

every party. The dividend which we give to the proprietors is precisely

the same dividend which they have been receiving during forty years,

and which they have expected to receive permanently. The price of their

stock bears at present the same proportion to the price of other stock

which it bore four or five years ago, before the anxiety and excitement

which the late negotiations naturally produced had begun to operate.

As to the territory, on the other hand, it is true that, if the assets

which are now in a commercial form should not produce a fund sufficient

to pay the debts and dividend of the Company, the territory must stand

to the loss and pay the difference. But in return for taking this risk,

the territory obtains an immediate release from claims to the amount of

many millions. I certainly do not believe that all those claims

could have been substantiated; but I know that very able men think

differently. And, if only one-fourth of the sum demanded had been

awarded to the Company, India would have lost more than the largest

sum which, as it seems to me, she can possibly lose under the proposed

arrangement.

In a pecuniary point of view, therefore, I conceive that we can defend

the measure as it affects the territory. But to the territory the

pecuniary question is of secondary importance. If we have made a good

pecuniary bargain for India, but a bad political bargain, if we have

saved three or four millions to the finances of that country, and given

to it, at the same time, pernicious institutions, we shall indeed have

been practising a most ruinous parsimony. If, on the other hand, it

shall be found that we have added fifty or a hundred thousand pounds

a-year to the expenditure of an empire which yields a revenue of twenty

millions, but that we have at the same time secured to that empire, as

far as in us lies, the blessings of good government, we shall have no

reason to be ashamed of our profusion. I hope and believe that India

will have to pay nothing. But on the most unfavourable supposition that

can be made, she will not have to pay so much to the Company as she now

pays annually to a single state pageant, to the titular Nabob of Bengal,

for example, or the titular King of Delhi. What she pays to these

nominal princes, who, while they did anything, did mischief, and who

now do nothing, she may well consent to pay to her real rulers, if

she receives from them, in return, efficient protection and good

legislation.

We come then to the great question. Is it desirable to retain the

Company as an organ of government for India? I think that it is

desirable. The question is, I acknowledge, beset with difficulties. We

have to solve one of the hardest problems in politics. We are trying to

make brick without straw, to bring a clean thing out of an unclean,

to give a good government to a people to whom we cannot give a free

government. In this country, in any neighbouring country, it is easy to

frame securities against oppression. In Europe, you have the materials

of good government everywhere ready to your hands. The people are

everywhere perfectly competent to hold some share, not in every country

an equal share, but some share of political power. If the question were,

What is the best mode of securing good government in Europe? the merest

smatterer in politics would answer, representative institutions.

In India you cannot have representative institutions. Of all the

innumerable speculators who have offered their suggestions on Indian

politics, not a single one, as far as I know, however democratical his

opinions may be, has ever maintained the possibility of giving, at the

present time, such institutions to India. One gentleman, extremely

well acquainted with the affairs of our Eastern Empire, a most valuable

servant of the Company, and the author of a History of India, which,

though certainly not free from faults, is, I think, on the whole, the

greatest historical work which has appeared in our language since that

of Gibbon, I mean Mr Mill, was examined on this point. That gentleman

is well known to be a very bold and uncompromising politician. He has

written strongly, far too strongly I think, in favour of pure democracy.

He has gone so far as to maintain that no nation which has not a

representative legislature, chosen by universal suffrage, enjoys

security against oppression. But when he was asked before the Committee

of last year, whether he thought representative government practicable

in India, his answer was, "utterly out of the question." This, then,

is the state in which we are. We have to frame a good government for

a country into which, by universal acknowledgment, we cannot introduce

those institutions which all our habits, which all the reasonings of

European philosophers, which all the history of our own part of the

world would lead us to consider as the one great security for good

government. We have to engraft on despotism those blessings which are

the natural fruits of liberty. In these circumstances, Sir, it behoves

us to be cautious, even to the verge of timidity. The light of political

science and of history are withdrawn: we are walking in darkness: we do

not distinctly see whither we are going. It is the wisdom of a man, so

situated, to feel his way, and not to plant his foot till he is well

assured that the ground before him is firm.

Some things, however, in the midst of this obscurity, I can see with

clearness. I can see, for example, that it is desirable that the

authority exercised in this country over the Indian government should be

divided between two bodies, between a minister or a board appointed by

the Crown, and some other body independent of the Crown. If India is

to be a dependency of England, to be at war with our enemies, to be at

peace with our allies, to be protected by the English navy from maritime

aggression, to have a portion of the English army mixed with its sepoys,

it plainly follows that the King, to whom the Constitution gives the

direction of foreign affairs, and the command of the military and naval

forces, ought to have a share in the direction of the Indian government.

Yet, on the other hand, that a revenue of twenty millions a year,

an army of two hundred thousand men, a civil service abounding with

lucrative situations, should be left to the disposal of the Crown

without any check whatever, is what no minister, I conceive, would

venture to propose. This House is indeed the check provided by the

Constitution on the abuse of the royal prerogative. But that this House

is, or is likely ever to be, an efficient check on abuses practised

in India, I altogether deny. We have, as I believe we all feel, quite

business enough. If we were to undertake the task of looking into Indian

affairs as we look into British affairs, if we were to have Indian

budgets and Indian estimates, if we were to go into the Indian currency

question and the Indian Bank Charter, if to our disputes about Belgium

and Holland, Don Pedro and Don Miguel, were to be added disputes about

the debts of the Guicowar and the disorders of Mysore, the ex-king of

the Afghans and the Maharajah Runjeet Sing; if we were to have one night

occupied by the embezzlements of the Benares mint, and another by the

panic in the Calcutta money market; if the questions of Suttee or no

Suttee, Pilgrim tax or no Pilgrim tax, Ryotwary or Zemindary, half Batta

or whole Batta, were to be debated at the same length at which we have

debated Church reform and the assessed taxes, twenty-four hours a day

and three hundred and sixty-five days a year would be too short a time

for the discharge of our duties. The House, it is plain, has not

the necessary time to settle these matters; nor has it the necessary

knowledge; nor has it the motives to acquire that knowledge. The late

change in its constitution has made it, I believe, a much more faithful

representative of the English people. But it is as far as ever from

being a representative of the Indian people. A broken head in Cold Bath

Fields produces a greater sensation among us than three pitched battles

in India. A few weeks ago we had to decide on a claim brought by an

individual against the revenues of India. If it had been an English

question the walls would scarcely have held the Members who would

have flocked to the division. It was an Indian question; and we could

scarcely, by dint of supplication, make a House. Even when my right

honourable friend, the President of the Board of Control, gave his able

and interesting explanation of the plan which he intended to propose for

the government of a hundred millions of human beings, the attendance was

not so large as I have often seen it on a turnpike bill or a railroad

bill.

I then take these things as proved, that the Crown must have a certain

authority over India, that there must be an efficient check on the

authority of the Crown, and that the House of Commons cannot be that

efficient check. We must then find some other body to perform that

important office. We have such a body, the Company. Shall we discard it?

It is true that the power of the Company is an anomaly in politics.

It is strange, very strange, that a joint-stock society of traders,

a society, the shares of which are daily passed from hand to hand,

a society, the component parts of which are perpetually changing, a

society, which, judging a priori from its constitution, we should

have said was as little fitted for imperial functions as the Merchant

Tailors' Company or the New River Company, should be intrusted with

the sovereignty of a larger population, the disposal of a larger

clear revenue, the command of a larger army, than are under the direct

management of the Executive Government of the United Kingdom. But

what constitution can we give to our Indian Empire which shall not

be strange, which shall not be anomalous? That Empire is itself the

strangest of all political anomalies. That a handful of adventurers from

an island in the Atlantic should have subjugated a vast country divided

from the place of their birth by half the globe; a country which at no

very distant period was merely the subject of fable to the nations of

Europe; a country never before violated by the most renowned of Western

conquerors; a country which Trajan never entered; a country lying beyond

the point where the phalanx of Alexander refused to proceed; that we

should govern a territory ten thousand miles from us, a territory larger

and more populous than France, Spain, Italy, and Germany put together, a

territory, the present clear revenue of which exceeds the present

clear revenue of any state in the world, France excepted; a territory

inhabited by men differing from us in race, colour, language, manners,

morals, religion; these are prodigies to which the world has seen

nothing similar. Reason is confounded. We interrogate the past in vain.

General rules are useless where the whole is one vast exception. The

Company is an anomaly; but it is part of a system where every thing is

anomaly. It is the strangest of all governments; but it is designed for

the strangest of all empires.

If we discard the Company, we must find a substitute: and, take what

substitute we may, we shall find ourselves unable to give any reason for

believing that the body which we have put in the room of the Company

is likely to acquit itself of its duties better than the Company.

Commissioners appointed by the King during pleasure would be no check on

the Crown; Commissioners appointed by the King or by Parliament for

life would always be appointed by the political party which might be

uppermost, and if a change of administration took place, would harass

the new Government with the most vexatious opposition. The plan

suggested by the right honourable Gentleman, the Member for

Montgomeryshire (Mr Charles Wynn.), is I think the very worst that I

have ever heard. He would have Directors nominated every four years

by the Crown. Is it not plain that these Directors would always be

appointed from among the supporters of the Ministry for the time being;

that their situations would depend on the permanence of that Ministry;

that therefore all their power and patronage would be employed for the

purpose of propping that Ministry, and, in case of a change, for the

purpose of molesting those who might succeed to power; that they would

be subservient while their friends were in, and factious when their

friends were out? How would Lord Grey's Ministry have been situated if

the whole body of Directors had been nominated by the Duke of Wellington

in 1830. I mean no imputation on the Duke of Wellington. If the present

ministers had to nominate Directors for four years, they would, I have

no doubt, nominate men who would give no small trouble to the Duke

of Wellington if he were to return to office. What we want is a body

independent of the Government, and no more than independent; not a tool

of the Treasury, not a tool of the opposition. No new plan which I have

heard proposed would give us such a body. The Company, strange as its

constitution may be, is such a body. It is, as a corporation, neither

Whig nor Tory, neither high-church nor low-church. It cannot be charged

with having been for or against the Catholic Bill, for or against

the Reform Bill. It has constantly acted with a view not to English

politics, but to Indian politics. We have seen the country convulsed

by faction. We have seen Ministers driven from office by this House,

Parliament dissolved in anger, general elections of unprecedented

turbulence, debates of unprecedented interest. We have seen the two

branches of the Legislature placed in direct opposition to each other.

We have seen the advisers of the Crown dismissed one day, and brought

back the next day on the shoulders of the people. And amidst all these

agitating events the Company has preserved strict and unsuspected

neutrality. This is, I think an inestimable advantage, and it is an

advantage which we must altogether forego, if we consent to adopt any of

the schemes which I have heard proposed on the other side of the House.

We must judge of the Indian government, as of all other governments, by

its practical effects. According to the honourable Member for Sheffield,

India is ill governed; and the whole fault is with the Company.

Innumerable accusations, great and small, are brought by him against the

Directors. They are fond of war: they are fond of dominion: the taxation

is burthensome: the laws are undigested: the roads are rough: the post

goes on foot: and for everything the Company is answerable. From

the dethronement of the Mogul princes to the mishaps of Sir Charles

Metcalfe's courier, every disaster that has taken place in the East

during sixty years is laid to the charge of this Corporation. And the

inference is, that all the power which they possess ought to be taken

out of their hands, and transferred at once to the Crown.

Now, Sir, it seems to me that, for all the evils which the honourable

Gentleman has so pathetically recounted, the Ministers of the Crown are

as much to blame as the Company; nay, much more so: for the Board of

Control could, without the consent of the Directors, have redressed

those evils; and the Directors most certainly could not have redressed

them without the consent of the Board of Control. Take the case of that

frightful grievance which seems to have made the deepest impression on

the mind of the honourable Gentleman, the slowness of the mail. Why,

Sir, if my right honourable friend, the President of our Board thought

fit, he might direct me to write to the Court and require them to frame

a dispatch on that subject. If the Court disobeyed, he might himself

frame a dispatch ordering Lord William Bentinck to put the dawks

all over Bengal on horseback. If the Court refused to send out this

dispatch, the Board could apply to the King's Bench for a mandamus. If,

on the other hand, the Directors wished to accelerate the journeys of

the mail, and the Board were adverse to the project, the Directors could

do nothing at all. For all measures of internal policy the servants

of the King are at least as deeply responsible as the Company. For all

measures of foreign policy the servants of the King, and they alone are

responsible. I was surprised to hear the honourable Gentleman accuse the

Directors of insatiable ambition and rapacity, when he must know that

no act of aggression on any native state can be committed by the Company

without the sanction of the Board, and that, in fact, the Board has

repeatedly approved of warlike measures which were strenuously opposed

by the Company. He must know, in particular, that, during the energetic

and splendid administration of the Marquess of Wellesley, the company

was all for peace, and the Board all for conquest. If a line of conduct

which the honourable Gentleman thinks unjustifiable has been followed

by the Ministers of the Crown in spite of the remonstrances of

the Directors, this is surely a strange reason for turning off the

Directors, and giving the whole power unchecked to the Crown.

The honourable Member tells us that India, under the present system, is

not so rich and flourishing as she was two hundred years ago. Really,

Sir, I doubt whether we are in possession of sufficient data to enable

us to form a judgment on that point. But the matter is of little

importance. We ought to compare India under our government, not with

India under Acbar and his immediate successors, but with India as we

found it. The calamities through which that country passed during the

interval between the fall of the Mogul power and the establishment of

the English supremacy were sufficient to throw the people back whole

centuries. It would surely be unjust to say, that Alfred was a bad king

because Britain, under his government, was not so rich or so civilised

as in the time of the Romans.

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