29. "You speak with wonderful truth, Socrates," replied Simmias.

"Wherefore," he said, "it necessarily follows from all this that some

such opinion as this should be entertained by genuine philosophers, so

that they should speak among themselves as follows: 'A by-path, as it

were, seems to lead us on in our researches undertaken by reason,'

because so long as we are encumbered with the body, and our soul is

contaminated with such an evil, we can never fully attain to what we

desire; and this, we say, is truth. For the body subjects us to

innumerable hinderances on account of its necessary support; and,

moreover, if any diseases befall us, they impede us in our search after

that which is; and it fills us with longings, desires, fears, all kinds

of fancies, and a multitude of absurdities, so that, as it is said in

real truth, by reason of the body it is never possible for us to make

any advances in wisdom. 30. For nothing else than the body and its

desires occasion wars, seditions, and contests; for all wars among us

arise on account of our desire to acquire wealth: and we are compelled

to acquire wealth on account of the body, being enslaved to its service;

and consequently on all these accounts we are hindered in the pursuit of

philosophy. But the worst of all is, that if it leaves us any leisure,

and we apply ourselves to the consideration of any subject, it

constantly obtrudes itself in the midst of our researches, and occasions

trouble and disturbance, and confounds us so that we are not able, by

reason of it, to discern the truth. It has, then, in reality been

demonstrated to us that if we are ever to know any thing purely, we must

be separated from the body, and contemplate the things themselves by the

mere soul; and then, as it seems, we shall obtain that which we desire,

and which we profess ourselves to be lovers of--wisdom--when we are

dead, as reason shows, but not while we are alive. 31. For if it is not

possible to know any thing purely in conjunction with the body, one of

these two things must follow, either that we can never acquire

knowledge, or only after we are dead; for then the soul will subsist

apart by itself, separate from the body, but not before. And while we

live we shall thus, as it seems, approach nearest to knowledge, if we

hold no intercourse or communion at all with the body, except what

absolute necessity requires, nor suffer ourselves to be polluted by its

nature, but purify ourselves from it, until God himself shall release

us. And thus being pure, and freed from the folly of body, we shall in

all likelihood be with others like ourselves, and shall of ourselves

know the whole real essence, and that probably is truth; for it is not

allowable for the impure to attain to the pure. Such things, I think,

Simmias, all true lovers of wisdom must both think and say to one

another. Does it not seem so to you?"

"Most assuredly, Socrates."

32. "If this, then," said Socrates, "is true, my friend, there is great

hope for one who arrives where I am going, there, if anywhere, to

acquire that in perfection for the sake of which we have taken so much

pains during our past life; so that the journey now appointed me is set

out upon with good hope, and will be so by any other man who thinks that

his mind has been, as it were, purified."

"Certainly," said Simmias.

"But does not purification consist in this, as was said in a former part

of our discourse, in separating as much as possible the soul from the

body, and in accustoming it to gather and collect itself by itself on

all sides apart from the body, and to dwell, so far as it can, both now

and hereafter, alone by itself, delivered, as it were, from the shackles

of the body?"

"Certainly," he replied.

33. "Is this, then, called death, this deliverance and separation of the

soul from the body?"

"Assuredly," he answered.

"But, as we affirmed, those who pursue philosophy rightly are especially

and alone desirous to deliver it; and this is the very study of

philosophers, the deliverance and separation of the soul from the body,

is it not?"

"It appears so."

"Then, as I said at first, would it not be ridiculous for a man who has

endeavored throughout his life to live as near as possible to death,

then, when death arrives, to grieve? would not this be ridiculous?"

"How should it not?"

"In reality, then, Simmias," he continued, "those who pursue philosophy

rightly, study to die; and to them, of all men, death is least

formidable. Judge from this. Since they altogether hate the body and

desire to keep the soul by itself, would it not be irrational if, when

this comes to pass, they should be afraid and grieve, and not be glad to

go to that place where, on their arrival, they may hope to obtain that

which they longed for throughout life? But they longed for wisdom, and

to be freed from association with that which they hated. 34. Have many

of their own accord wished to descend into Hades, on account of human

objects of affection, their wives and sons, induced by this very hope of

their seeing and being with those whom they have loved? and shall one

who really loves wisdom, and firmly cherishes this very hope, that he

shall nowhere else attain it in a manner worthy of the name, except in

Hades, be grieved at dying, and not gladly go there? We must think that

he would gladly go, my friend, if he be in truth a philosopher; for he

will be firmly persuaded of this, that he will nowhere else than there

attain wisdom in its purity; and if this be so, would it not be very

irrational, as I just now said, if such a man were to be afraid of

death?"

"Very much so, by Jupiter!" he replied.

35. "Would not this, then," he resumed, "be a sufficient proof to you

with respect to a man whom you should see grieved when about to die,

that he was not a lover of wisdom, but a lover of his body? And this

same person is probably a lover of riches and a lover of honor, one or

both of these."

"It certainly is as you say," he replied.

"Does not, then," he said, "that which is called fortitude, Simmias,

eminently belong to philosophers?"

"By all means," he answered.

"And temperance, also, which even the multitude call temperance, and

which consists in not being carried away by the passions, but in holding

them in contempt, and keeping them in subjection, does not this belong

to those only who most despise the body, and live in the study of

philosophy?"

"Necessarily so," he replied.

36. "For," he continued, "if you will consider the fortitude and

temperance of others, they will appear to you to be absurd."

"How so, Socrates?"

"Do you know," he said, "that all others consider death among the great

evils?"

"They do indeed," he answered.

"Then, do the brave among them endure death when they do endure it,

through dread of greater evils?"

"It is so."

"All men, therefore, except philosophers, are brave through being afraid

and fear; though it is absurd that any one should be brave through fear

and cowardice."

"Certainly."

"But what, are not those among them who keep their passions in

subjection affected in the same way? and are they not temperate through

a kind of intemperance? And although we may say, perhaps, that this is

impossible, nevertheless the manner in which they are affected with

respect to this silly temperance resembles this, for, fearing to be

deprived of other pleasures, and desiring them, they abstain from some,

being mastered by others. And though they call intemperance the being

governed by pleasures, yet it happens to them that, by being mastered by

some pleasures, they master others, and this is similar to what was just

now said, that in a certain manner they become temperate through

intemperance."

"So it seems,"

37. "My dear Simmias, consider that this is not a right exchange for

virtue, to barter pleasures for pleasures, pains for pains, fear for

fear, and the greater for the lesser, like pieces of money, but that

that alone is the right coin, for which we ought to barter all these

things, wisdom, and for this and with this everything is in reality

bought and sold Fortitude, temperance and justice, and, in a word true

virtue, subsist with wisdom, whether pleasures and fears, and everything

else of the kind, are present or absent, but when separated from wisdom

and changed one for another, consider whether such virtue is not a mere

outline and in reality servile, possessing neither soundness nor truth.

But the really true virtue is a purification from all such things, and

temperance, justice, fortitude and wisdom itself, are a kind of

initiatory purification 38. And those who instituted the mysteries for

us appear to have been by no means contemptible, but in reality to have

intimated long since that whoever shall arrive in Hades unexpiated and

uninitiated shall lie in mud, but he that arrives there purified and

initiated shall dwell with the gods 'For there are,' say those who

preside at the mysteries, 'many wand-bearers, but few inspired'. These

last, in my opinion, are no other than those who have pursued philosophy

rightly that I might be of their number. I have to the utmost of my

ability left no means untried, but have endeavored to the utmost of my

power. But whether I have endeavored rightly, and have in any respect

succeeded, on arriving there I shall know clearly, if it please

God--very shortly, as it appears to me."

39. "Such, then, Simmias and Cebes," he added, "is the defense I make,

for that I, on good grounds, do not repine or grieve at leaving you and

my masters here, being persuaded that there, no less than here, I shall

meet with good masters and friends. But to the multitude this is

incredible If, however, I have succeeded better with you in my defense

than I did with the Athenian judges, it is well."

When Socrates had thus spoken, Cebes, taking up the discussion, said

"Socrates, all the rest appears to me to be said rightly, but what you

have said respecting the soul will occasion much incredulity in many

from the apprehension that when it is separated from the body it no

longer exists anywhere, but is destroyed and perishes on the very day in

which a man dies, and that immediately it is separated and goes out from

the body it is dispersed, and vanishes like breath or smoke, and is no

longer anywhere, since if it remained anywhere united in itself, and

freed from those evils which you have just now enumerated, there would

be an abundant and good hope, Socrates, that what you say is true 40.

But this probably needs no little persuasion and proof, that the soul of

a man who dies exists, and possesses activity and intelligence."

"You say truly, Cebes," said Socrates, "but what shall we do? Are you

willing that we should converse on these points, whether such is

probably the case or not?"

"Indeed," replied Cebes, "I should gladly hear your opinion on these

matters."

"I do not think," said Socrates, "that any one who should now hear us,

even though he were a comic poet, would say that I am talking idly, or

discoursing on subjects that do not concern me. If you please, then, we

will examine into it. Let us consider it in this point of view, whether

the souls of men who are dead exist in Hades, or not. This is an ancient

saying, which we now call to mind, that souls departing hence exist

there, and return hither again, and are produced from the dead. 41. And

if this is so, that the living are produced again from the dead, can

there be any other consequence than that our souls are there? for surely

they could not be produced again if they did not exist; and this would

be sufficient proof that these things are so, if it should in reality be

evident that the living are produced from no other source than the dead.

But if this is not the case, there will be need of other arguments."

"Certainly," said Cebes.

"You must not, then," he continued, "consider this only with respect to

men, if you wish to ascertain it with greater certainty, but also with

respect to all animals and plants, and, in a word, with respect to every

thing that is subject to generation. Let us see whether they are not all

so produced, no otherwise than contraries from contraries, wherever they

have any such quality; as, for instance, the honorable is contrary to

the base, and the just to the unjust, and so with ten thousand other

things. 42. Let us consider this, then, whether it is necessary that all

things which have a contrary should be produced from nothing else than

their contrary. As, for instance, when any thing becomes greater, is it

not necessary that, from being previously smaller, it afterward became

greater?"

"Yes."

"And if it becomes smaller, will it not, from being previously greater,

afterward become smaller?"

"It is so," he replied.

"And from stronger, weaker? and from slower, swifter?"

"Certainly."

"What, then? If any thing becomes worse, must it not become so from

better? and if more just, from more unjust?"

"How should it not?"

"We have then," he said, "sufficiently determined this, that all things

are thus produced, contraries from contraries?"

"Certainly."

"What next? Is there also something of this kind in them; for instance,

between all two contraries a mutual twofold production, from one to the

other, and from that other back again? for between a greater thing and a

smaller there are increase and decrease, and do we not accordingly call

the one to increase, the other to decrease?"

"Yes," he replied.

43. "And must not to be separated and commingled, to grow cold and to

grow warm, and every thing in the same manner, even though sometimes we

have not names to designate them, yet in fact be everywhere thus

circumstanced, of necessity, as to be produced from each other, and be

subject to a reciprocal generation?"

"Certainly," he replied.

"What, then?" said Socrates, "has life any contrary, as waking has its

contrary, sleeping?"

"Certainly," he answered.

"What?"

"Death," he replied.

"Are not these, then, produced from each other, since they are

contraries; and are not the modes by which they are produced two-fold

intervening between these two?"

"How should it be otherwise?"

"I then," continued Socrates, "will describe to you one pair of the

contraries which I have just now mentioned, both what it is and its mode

of production: and do you describe to me the other. I say that one is to

sleep, the other to awake; and from sleeping awaking is produced, and

from awaking sleeping, and that the modes of their production are, the

one to fall asleep, the other to be roused. 44. Have I sufficiently

explained this to you or not?"

"Certainly."

"Do you, then," he said, "describe to me in the same manner with respect

to life and death? Do you not say that life is contrary to death?"

"I do."

"And that they are produced from each other?"

"Yes."

"What, then, is produced from life?"

"Death," he replied.

"What, then," said he "is produced from death?"

"I must needs confess," he replied, "that life is."

"From the dead, then, O Cebes! living things and living men are

produced."

"It appears so," he said.

"Our souls, therefore," said Socrates, "exist in Hades."

"So it seems."

"With respect, then, to their mode of production, is not one of them

very clear? for to die surely is clear, is it not?"

"Certainly," he replied.

"What, then, shall we do?" he continued; "shall we not find a

corresponding contrary mode of production, or will nature be defective

in this? Or must we discover a contrary mode of production to dying?"

"By all means," he said.

"What is this?"

"To revive."

"Therefore," he proceeded, "if there is such a thing as to revive, will

not this reviving be a mode of production from the dead to the living?"

"Certainly."

"Thus, then, we have agreed that the living are produced from the dead,

no less than the dead from the living; but, this being the case, there

appears to me sufficient proof that the souls of the dead must

necessarily exist somewhere, from whence they are again produced."

45. "It appears to me, Socrates," he said "that this must necessarily

follow from what has been admitted."

"See now, O Cebes!" he said, "that we have not agreed on these things

improperly, as it appears to me; for if one class of things were not

constantly given back in the place of another, revolving, as it were, in

a circle, but generation were direct from one thing alone into its

opposite, and did not turn round again to the other, or retrace its

course, do you know that all things would at length have the same form,

be in the same state, and cease to be produced?"

"How say you?" he asked.

"It is by no means difficult," he replied, "to understand what I mean;

if, for instance, there should be such a thing as falling asleep, but no

reciprocal waking again produced from a state of sleep, you know that at

length all things would show the fable of Endymion to be a jest, and it

would be thought nothing at all of, because everything else would be in

the same state as he--namely, asleep. And if all things were mingled

together, but never separated, that doctrine of Anaxagoras would soon be

verified, 'all things would be together.' 46. Likewise, my dear Cebes,

if all things that partake of life should die, and after they are dead

should remain in this state of death, and not revive again, would it not

necessarily follow that at length all things should be dead, and nothing

alive? For if living beings are produced from other things, and living

beings die, what could prevent their being all absorbed in death?"

"Nothing whatever, I think, Socrates," replied Cebes; "but you appear to

me to speak the exact truth."

"For, Cebes," he continued, "as it seems to me, such undoubtedly is the

case, and we have not admitted these things under a delusion, for it is

in reality true that there is a reviving again, that the living are

produced from the dead, that the souls of the dead exist, and that the

condition of the good is better, and of the evil worse."

47. "And, indeed," said Cebes, interrupting him, "according to that

doctrine, Socrates, which you are frequently in the habit of advancing,

if it is true, that our learning is nothing else than reminiscence,

according to this it is surely necessary that we must at some former

time have learned what we now remember. But this is impossible, unless

our soul existed somewhere before it came into this human form; so that

from hence, also, the soul appears to be something immortal."

"But, Cebes," said Simmias, interrupting him, "what proofs are there of

these things? Remind me of them, for I do not very well remember them at

present."

48. "It is proved," said Cebes, "by one argument, and that a most

beautiful one, that men, when questioned (if one questions them

properly) of themselves, describe all things as they are, however, if

they had not innate knowledge and right reason, they would never be

able to do this. Moreover, if one leads them to diagrams, or any thing

else of the kind, it is then most clearly apparent that this is the

case."

"But if you are not persuaded in this way, Simmias," said Socrates, "see

if you will agree with us in considering the matter thus. For do you

doubt how that which is called learning is reminiscence?"

"I do not doubt," said Simmias; "but I require this very thing of which

we are speaking, to be reminded; and, indeed, from what Cebes has begun

to say, I almost now remember, and am persuaded; nevertheless, however,

I should like to hear now how you would attempt to prove it."

"I do it thus" he replied: "we admit, surely, that if any one be

reminded of any thing, he must needs have known that thing at some time

or other before."

"Certainly," he said.

49. "Do we, then, admit this also, that when knowledge comes in a

certain manner it is reminiscence? But the manner I mean is this: if any

one, upon seeing or hearing, or perceiving through the medium of any

other sense, some particular thing, should not only know that, but also

form an idea of something else, of which the knowledge is not the same,

but different, should we not justly say that he remembered that of which

he received the idea?"

"How mean you?"

"For instance, the knowledge of a man is different from that of a lyre."

"How not?"

"Do you not know, then, that lovers when they see a lyre, or a garment,

or any thing else which their favorite is accustomed to use, are thus

affected; they both recognize the lyre, and receive in their minds the

form of the person to whom the lyre belonged? This is reminiscence: just

as any one, seeing Simmias, is often reminded of Cebes, and so in an

infinite number of similar instances."

"An infinite number, indeed, by Jupiter!" said Simmias.

"Is not, then," he said, "something of this sort a kind of reminiscence,

especially when one is thus affected with respect to things which, from

lapse of time, and not thinking of them, one has now forgotten?"

"Certainly," he replied.

50. "But what?" he continued. "Does it happen that when one sees a

painted horse or a painted lyre one is reminded of a man, and that when

one sees a picture of Simmias one is reminded of Cebes?"

"Certainly."

"And does it not also happen that on seeing a picture of Simmias one is

reminded of Simmias himself?"

"It does, indeed," he replied.

"Does it not happen, then, according to all this, that reminiscence

arises partly from things like, and partly from things unlike?"

"It does."

"But when one is reminded by things like, is it not necessary that one

should be thus further affected, so as to perceive whether, as regards

likeness, this falls short or not of the thing of which one has been

reminded?"

"It is necessary," he replied.

"Consider, then," said Socrates, "if the case is thus. Do we allow that

there is such a thing as equality? I do not mean of one log with

another, nor one stone with another, nor any thing else of this kind,

but something altogether different from all these--abstract equality; do

we allow that there is any such thing, or not?"

"By Jupiter! we most assuredly do allow it," replied Simmias.

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