"Within this Hive, we're all alive,

Good liquor makes us funny:

If you are dry, step in and try,

The flavour of our honey."

3. The sign of "The Gate" (of frequent occurrence):

"The Gate hangs well,

And hinders none;

Refresh and pay,

And travel on."

T. H. KERSLEY, B.A.

Audlem, Nantwich.

In King Street, Norwich, at the sign of "The Waterman," kept by a man who

is a barber, and over whose door is the pole, are these lines:

"Roam not from pole to pole,

But step in here;

Where nought exceeds the shaving,

But the beer."

J. L. S.

There used to be at a small roadside inn, between Wetherby and Borobridge

(Yorkshire), at a place called Ninivy, the following inscription; {628}

whether or not it is still in existence I cannot say:

"At Nineveh, where dwelt Old Toby,

Pray stop and drink before you go by."

C. I. R.

* * * * *

THE CURFEW.

(Vol. ii., pp. 103. 175. 189. 311.; Vol. iv., p. 240.; Vol. vi., pp.

53. 112.; Vol. vii., pp. 167. 530.; Vol. viii., p. 603.)

The curfew is still rung at Kidderminster at eight o'clock. It is the

annual custom there, on a certain night, to continue the ringing for one

hour, a sum of money having been left for that purpose as a thank-offering

to God, for the curfew having been the means of saving a person from

destruction. This person had lost his way on his return from Bridgenorth

Fair, and when (as he afterwards discovered) on the point of falling from a

great height, the sound of the Kidderminster curfew caused him to retrace

his steps and regain the road. A five o'clock morning bell is also rung at

Kidderminster. This and the curfew bell have been rung for many years past

by "Blind William," who, notwithstanding his total blindness, finds his way

along the streets that lead from his house to the church, and gains the

belfry with the greatest ease. So well is he acquainted with the path to

church, that he may be seen to turn the corners of the streets in as

decided a manner as if his wide-open eyes were endowed with sight; and,

with similar facility, he unlocks the gates and church doors. It is curious

to see him on the dark winter evenings, apparently guiding his steps by the

light of a lanthorn, which he probably carries in order to prevent careless

people, who are blessed with sight, from running against him. Like most (if

not all) blind people, he has an extraordinary ear for music, and will

quickly reproduce on his violin any tune that may have caught his fancy. At

this present festive period, a Kidderminster Christmas would lack one of

its component parts, were Blind Willie and his fiddle not there to add to

the harmony of the kindly season. During the month preceding Christmas, he

promenades the streets at untimely hours, and draws from his old fiddle all

the music which it is capable of giving forth. Indeed, Blind Willie may be

considered (in Kidderminster at least) as the harbinger of Christmas, for

he warns the inhabitants of its approach, long before the ordinary "waits"

have taken their ordinary measures for the same purpose. And when Christmas

Day is past and gone, he makes house-to-house visitation for the

Christmas-box which is to be the reward of his "early minstrelsy."

The curfew is rung at Bewdley in Worcestershire.

At Durham the curfew is rung (on the great bell of the cathedral) at nine

o'clock. It is therefore of the same use to the students of the University

of Durham as "Tom" is to the students of the University of Oxford, viz. it

marks the closing of the college gates.

CUTHBERT BEDE, B.A.

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PHOTOGRAPHIC CORRESPONDENCE.

_Photographic Engraving._--I inclose a copy of a little book for your

inspection, which is remarkable only in this, that the illustrations are

produced by photography. The general theory of the method is this: a piece

of glass is covered with a uniform thin coating of some substance, so as to

be opaque or semi-opaque (the substance should be light coloured), and a

design is etched on it with a needle. From this _negative_ positive

pictures are printed photographically.

As to details, the prints of the mice (p. 46.) and the cat (p. 37.) are

from a glass coated with iodized collodion rendered sensitive, exposed to

faint light for a short time and developed. In this method, the glass

should be heated; and the collodion _burnished_ with the hand, to make it

adhere well.[5] The owl (p. 22.) and the stork (p. 10.) are from a glass

coated with iodized collodion "rendered sensitive" only, and not developed

so as to be only semi-opaque. On this high lights were put with opaque

white, and darks were etched out. This has the effect of a tinted

lithograph, but requires much more care in printing than the former method,

in order to hit the right tint; so much so, that I have usually printed the

stork faintly so as not to show the "tint" at all. The frontispiece is from

a paper negative, a method much more troublesome and tedious than either of

the others, both in preparation of the negative and in printing.

I have lately tried gilt glass to etch upon. This would be excellent, were

it not most painful to the eyes. And more than two years ago, I prepared a

negative by painting whites with water colour on transparent glass with

moderate success.

I have recently received from Rome a positive printed from a negative on

smoked glass, the subject being a mule's head. Of all the methods I have

tried, the best is the first mentioned; and it seems to me easier than any

species of engraving.

Query, What is the best coating for the glass; and what will be the cost of

printing on a great scale, as compared with woodcut, lithograph, &c.; in

which must be included the cost of the skilled workman which will be saved

by this method?

HUGH BLACKBURN.

[When we add that the work referred to is an edition of _The History of

Little Downey_, that the prints in it are executed by a lady, and

printed at home by the photographic process, and that a limited number

of copies may be had on application to Messrs. {629} Constable and Co.

of Edinburgh, the sale being for the benefit of the Glasgow Ragged

School, we have no doubt many of our readers will be glad to secure

copies, and help to forward the good work which its publication is

intended to promote.]

[Footnote 5: This method was suggested to me by Professor Maconochie, who

indeed prepared the glass on which the mice were etched.]

_Collodion Negatives._--Allow me to communicate a sure and simple way of

darkening collodion positives for printing. It was shown to me by a friend

of mine; and not having seen it in your "N. & Q.," I have undertaken to lay

it before your readers, hoping that it may be found useful to many

beginners.

After having developed your picture, as a positive, with protosulphate of

iron and nitric acid, wash it well from the developing fluid, and keep it

on one end that all the water may drop from the plate. Then take three

parts of a concentrated solution of gallic acid, and one part of a nitrate

of silver solution, 60 grains to the ounce of water; mix together, and pour

on the plate. The picture will gradually begin to blacken; and after half

an hour or more, you will obtain a sufficient density for printing a

positive on paper.

Every one who will take the trouble to try it will be sure to succeed. Of

all the ways to blackening a picture for printing I have tried, not

excepting Professor Maconochie's method with chloride of gold and muriate

of ammonia, the surest I find is the one which I have laid before you. Just

try it, and you will be glad with the result.

F. M. (a Maltese.)

Malta, Valetta.

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Replies to Minor Queries.

"_London Labour and the London Poor_" (Vol. viii., p. 527.).--I beg to

inform MR. GANTILLON that the above work is discontinued. The parts

entitled "Those that will work" and "Those that cannot work" have been

completed, and form a valuable book; but the discontinuance of the third

part is no loss at all, for in commencing upon "Those that will not work,"

Mr. Mayhew began with a history of prostitution in ancient and modern

times, a subject which did not possess the novelty or originality of his

other divisions, and consequently his readers fell off so fast that he was

forced first to raise the price of, and afterwards to discontinue

altogether, the publication. Probably, if he had confined himself to

treating the London prostitutes as he did the costermongers, the work would

have been completed, and would then have formed a complete encyclopædia of

London Labour and the London Poor.

ARTHUR C. WILSON.

Brompton.

_Felicia Hemans's inedited Lyric_ (Vol. viii., p. 407.).--Your

correspondent MR. WELD TAYLOR seems to possess the first rude draught of

the following beautiful piece by Felicia Hemans, entitled, "The Elfin

Call," a duet sung by Miss A. Williams and Miss M. Williams, Miss Messent

and Miss Dolby, Mrs. A. Newton and Miss Lanza, Miss Cubitt and Miss Porter,

Mrs. Aveling Smith and Miss Sara Flower, Miss Emma Lucombe and Miss Eliza

Birch, Miss Turner and Miss E. Turner. The music by Stephen Glover:

"Come away, Elves! while the dew is sweet,

Come to the dingles where fairies meet;

Know that the lilies have spread their bells

O'er all the pools in our forest dells;

Come away, under arching bows we'll float,

Making each urn a fairy boat;

We'll row them with reeds o'er the fountains free,

And a tall flag-leaf shall our streamer be.

And we'll send out wild music so sweet and low,

It shall seem from the bright flower's heart to flow;

As if 'twere a breeze with a flute's low sigh,

Or water-drops train'd into melody,

And a star from the depth of each pearly cup,

A golden star into heav'n looks up,

As if seeking its kindred where bright they lie,

Set in the blue of the summer sky."

J. YEOWELL.

_Sir Arthur Aston_ (Vol. viii., pp. 126. 302.).--Though unable to inform

CHARTHAM and A READER in what part of the co. of Berks the above cavalier

resided during the interval of time named by the former, I think I can

state the connexion, by marriage only, between the Tattersall and Aston

families: I believe it will be found that they were not "nearly related."

Thomas Howard, fourth duke of Norfolk, by his first wife, Mary Fitzalan,

had Philip (_jure matris_), Earl of Arundel, who died 1595 attainted, and

was succeeded by Thomas, created Earl of Norfolk. This last was father of

Henry Frederick and grandfather of Charles Howard, of Greystock Castle, who

married Mary, eldest daughter and coheiress of George Tattersall, of West

Court, Finchampstead, and Stapleford, co. Wilts.

Charles Howard, as above, was the fourth brother of Henry, sixth Duke of

Norfolk, which last was grandfather (through Thomas, his son, of Worksop)

of Mary Howard, who married Walter Aston, fourth Baron Aston, of Forfar, in

Scotland.

H. C. C.

I furnished a memoir of this famous soldier to the _Gentleman's Magazine_

in 1833 or 1834.

G. STEINMAN STEINMAN.

_Grammar in relation to Logic_ (Vol. viii., p. 514).--MR. INGLEBY evidently

has but a superficial view of this doctrine, which is not only Dr.

Latham's, but one, I apprehend, pretty well known to every Oxford

undergraduate, viz. that, logically, _conjunctions connect propositions,

not words_. By way of proving the falsity of it (which he says is

demonstrable), he bids Dr. Latham "resolve this sentence: _All men are

either two-legged, one-legged, or no-legged_:" and adds, "It cannot be

done." I may inform him that the three categorical propositions, "A man is

two-legged, or he is {630} one-legged, or he is no-legged," connected by

their several copulas, are equivalent to and co-extensive with the

disjunctive proposition which he instances.

MR. INGLEBY quotes Boole's _Mathematical (?) Analysis of Logic_ in support

of his opinion; but, from the following specimen of that work, it does not

appear to be much of an authority. The author says:

"The proposition, Every animal is either rational or irrational, cannot

be resolved into, Either every animal is rational or every animal is

irrational. The former belongs to pure categoricals, the latter to

hypotheticals."

Now the first sentence of this passage is an absurd truism; but the

proposition in question can be resolved into--An animal is rational or it

is irrational. Again, "the former does _not_ belong to pure categoricals,"

it is simply disjunctive. MR. INGLEBY falls into the same error, and

moreover seems not to be aware that a disjunctive proposition is at the

same time hypothetical.

Logically speaking, a conjunction implies two propositions; and, strictly,

connects propositions only. To say that conjunctions connect words, may be

true in a certain sense; but it is a very superficial and loose mode of

stating the matter.

H. C. K.

----Rectory, Hereford.

_Descendants of Milton_ (Vol. viii., p. 339.).--I have in the course of my

life met with or heard of more than once or twice, people of the same

names, and those very uncommon ones, who were in no way related to each

other; nevertheless, I venture to tell your correspondent J. F. M. that

about twenty years ago there was living the skipper of a coasting vessel,

trading between Bridport and London, named Caleb Clark. He or his family

are probably living at Bridport now.

[Greek: Alpha].

_Pronunciation of Bible Names_ (Vol. viii., p. 469.).--The clerk of a

retired parish in North-west Devon, who had to read the first lesson

always, used to make a hash of Shadrac, Meshac, and Abednego; and as the

names are twelve times repeated in the third chapter of Daniel, after

getting through them the first time, he called them "the aforesaid

gentlemen" afterwards.

W. COLLYNS.

Harlow.

_Henry I.'s Tomb_ (Vol. viii., p. 411.).--I fancy that the much mooted

question, as to the existence of a monumental tomb over the remains of King

Henry I. in Reading Abbey, may at once be set at rest by referring to

Tanner's _Notitia Monastica_, edit. 1744, in the second column of p. 15.:

where it is evident that a tomb and an effigy of King Henry I. had once

existed; that they had both fallen into decay; and that, in the time of

King Richard II., the Abbot of Reading was required to repair both the tomb

and the effigy of King Henry the founder, who was there buried, within the

space of one year, as the condition on which the charters were to be

confirmed:

"Cart. 5 & 6 Ric. II. n. 24.; Pat. 8 Ric. II. p. 1. m. 18. Pat. 16 Ric. II.

p. 1. m. 38.; Pat. 21 Ric. II. p. 3. m. 16. Confirm. Libertatum, modo Abbas

infra unum Annum honeste repararet Tumbam et Imaginem _R. Henrici_

Fundatoris, ibidem humati."

I. T. A.

_Bells at Berwick-upon-Tweed_ (Vol. viii., p. 292.): _Chandler, Bishop of

Durham_ (Vol. viii, p. 331.).--I may perhaps "kill two birds with one

stone," by reminding MESSRS. GATTY and NEWBURN that the Bishops of Durham

were formerly _Princes of the Palatinate_. It was probably in that capacity

that Bishop Chandler delivered a charge to the Grand Jury, and Bishop

Barington licensed a meeting-house bell. This latter prelate was, I

believe, the last who exercised the functions of that high office.

WM. HAZEL.

_Return of Gentry, temp. Henry VI._ (Vol. viii., p. 469.).--The return of

12th Henry VI. is printed in Fuller's _Worthies_, under each county.

G. STEINMAN STEINMAN.

I read in Fuller's _Worthies_, edit. Nuttall, vol. i. p. 60.:

"A later list might be presented of the English gentry towards the end

of the reign of King Henry VIII."

Does this list exist in any of our record offices?

And has it ever been printed?

TEWARS.

_Peter Allan_ (Vol. viii., p. 539.).--Your correspondent E. C. will find

much interesting information respecting this person in an account of him

reprinted from the _Sunderland and Durham County Herald_, and published

(1848) by Vint and Carr, Sunderland, under the title of _Marsden Rock, or

the Story of Peter Allan, and Marsden Marine Grotto_. He, his wife, eight

children, and aged father and mother, are there described as being in a

very flourishing condition: and (if I remember rightly) I saw them all,

when I last visited the rock in 1850.

CUTHBERT BEDE, B.A.

_Burial in an Erect Posture_ (Vol. viii., p. 5.).--The following passage,

which I quote from Hearne's _Collection of Antiquarian Discourses_, vol. i.

p. 212., may perhaps prove acceptable to CHEVERELLS, as showing (on

traditional authority) that this mode of burial was anciently adopted in

the case of captains in the army:

"For them above the grounde buryed, I have by tradition heard, that

when anye notable captayne dyed in battel or campe, the souldyers used

to take his bodye, and to sette him on his feet _uprighte_, and put his

{631} launce or pike into his hand; and then his fellowe souldyers did

by travell everye man bringe so muche earthe, and laye aboute him as

should cover him, and mount up to cover the top of his pike."

I have a very curious print in my possession, illustrating the manners and

customs of the Laplanders; and, amongst the rest, their modes of burial. In

one case several bodies are represented standing in an upright posture,

perfectly nude, with railings all round except in the front; and another,

one body is represented in a similar condition, inclosed in a kind of

sentry-box.

R. W. ELLIOTT.

Clifton.

_The Word "Mob"_ (Vol. viii., pp. 386. 524. 573.).--Roger North, speaking

of the King's Head, or Green Ribbon Club, which was "a more visible

administration, mediate, as it were, between his lordship (Shaftsbury) and

the greater and lesser vulgar, who were to be the immediate tools," says:

"I may note that the rabble first changed their title, and were called

_the mob_, in the assemblies of this club. It was their beast of

burthen, and called first _mobile vulgus_, but fell naturally into the

contraction of one syllable, and ever since is become proper

English."--_Examen_, part III. ch. vii. p. 89.

H. GARDINER.

_Gen. Sir C. Napier_ (Vol. viii., p. 490.).--I may state, for the

instruction of officers who think study needless in their profession, that,

having enjoyed the intimate friendship of Sir C. Napier for some time

before he had the command in the midland district of England, I constantly

found him engaged in inquiries connected with his profession. He was always

in training. Not long before this time he had returned from Caen, in

Normandy, and he told me that when there he had surveyed the ground on

which William the Conqueror had acquired military fame before he made his

descent on England, and his conclusion was that that Conqueror was

remarkably well instructed for his time in the art of war. He expressed his

intention to write on this subject; but great events soon afterwards called

him to India, which became the scene of his own mastery in military and

civil command.

T. F.

_To Come_ (Vol. viii., p. 468.).--In the Lower Saxon dialect, to come is

_camen_, and the imperfect, as in Gothic, _quam_. It would therefore seem

that the English _came_ is not an innovation, but a partial restoration or

preservation of a very ancient form. (See Adelung's _Wörterbuch_.)

E. C. H.

_Passage in Sophocles_ (Vol. viii., pp. 73. 478.).--The Italics were

introduced to draw attention to the _new_ version which was adventured, "N.

& Q." being an excellent medium for such suggestions.

Sophocles having referred to "an illustrious saying of some one," and the

old scholiast having furnished this saying,

"[Greek: Hotan d' ho daimôn andri porsunêi kaka]

[Greek: Ton noun eblapse prôton hôi bouleuetai],"

it merely became necessary to compare the form which Sophocles adopted to

suit his metre with the words of this "illustrious saying," whence it

appeared that--

[Greek: hôi bouleuetai prassei d' oligoston chronon ektos atas];

and therefore I could not agree with the common version "and that he lives

for a brief space apart from its visitation;" erroneous, as I submit, from

the adoption of Brunck's reading [Greek: prassein], instead of reading, as

I venture to do, with Hermann, [Greek: theos agei ... prassei d'], taking

[Greek: theos] as the nominative of both verbs.

Neither the Oxford translation, Edwards's, nor Buckley's, renders [Greek:

oligoston] "_very_ brief," agreeably to the admonition of the old scholiast

to the contrary. The word "practise" objected to is, I submit, derived from

[Greek: prassô], to act, through [Greek: pragma], business, and [Greek:

praxis], practice, and is therefore the most appropriate English word,

although the word "does" will furnish Sophocles' meaning nearly as well. I

shall, however, be most happy to submit to correction by any classical

scholar.

T. J. BUCKTON.

Lichfield.

_Party-Similes of the Seventeenth Century_ (Vol. viii., p. 485.).--I must

beg of you to contradict the loose statement of JARLTZBERG at p. 486. of

this Volume, "as to the object of the Church of England in _separating

from_ Rome." Now, the Church of England did never _separate herself_ from

_any_ Christian Church; the doctrine and discipline of the Church of

England is to be found in her Book of Common Prayer. Popes Paul IV. and

Pius IV. offered to confirm this book, if Queen Elizabeth would acknowledge

the Pope's supremacy; and Roman Catholics in these realms habitually

conformed to the worship of the Church of England for the first _twelve

years_ of Queen Elizabeth's reign, after which time they were prevented

from doing so by the bull of Pius V. (dated Feb. 23, 1569), which

excommunicated that sovereign.

So Romanists are the separatists, and not Anglicans.

THOMAS COLLIS.

_Judges styled Reverend_ (Vol. viii., pp. 158. 276. 351.).--Sir Anthony

Fitzherbert was certainly not chief justice, yet in _A Letter to a

Convocation Man_ I find him so styled:

"I must admit that it is said in the second part of Rolle's

_Abridgment_, that the Archbishop of Canterbury {632} was prohibited to

hold such assemblies by Fitzherbert, Chief Justice, because he had not

the King's licence; but he adds that the archbishop would not obey it,

and he quotes Speed for it. I shall not consult that lame historian for

a law-point, and it seems strange that Rolle should cite

him."--_L. C. M._, p. 38.

I have not lately had an opportunity of looking into either Rolle's

_Abridgment of Cases_, or Speed's _History of Great Britain_, but I am not

able to discover to what event in any of Henry VIII.'s convocations

allusion is here made. I am therefore led to think that Fitzherbert must be

a misprint, and that we should read in the above passage "Fitz-Peter," and

that the following is the circumstance, in King John's reign, which is

referred to by the author of the _Letter_:

"This year (1200), Hubert, Archbishop of Canterbury, held a National

Synod at Westminster, notwithstanding the prohibition of Geoffrey

Fitz-Peter, Earl of Essex, and Chief Justiciary of England."--Collier's

_Ecclesiastical History_, vol. i. folio, p. 410.

I shall be glad if any of your readers can throw farther light on the

passage.

W. FRASER.

Tor-Mohun.

_Veneration for the Oak_ (Vol. viii., p. 468.).--Since my Query upon this

matter appeared, I find that Mr. Layard, in his work upon _Nineveh and

Babylon_, at p. 160., describes a cylinder of green felspar, which he

believes to have been the signet of Sennacherib, and upon which is engraved

a rare mode of portraying the supreme deity, and a sacred tree, whose

flowers are in this instance in the shape of an _acorn_. Whence did the

Assyrians derive this veneration for a tree bearing acorns? Did they derive

this notion, as they did their tin, from Celtic Britain? I believe they

did.

G. W.

Stansted, Montfichet.

_Rapping no Novelty_ (Vol. viii., p. 512.).--De Foe, in his veracious

_History of Mr. Duncan Campbell_ (2nd ed., p. 107.), quotes a story of

sprit-knocking from "the renowned and famous" Mr. Baxter's _History of

Apparitions_, prefacing it thus:

"What in nature can be more trivial than for a spirit to employ himself

in knocking on a morning at the wainscot by the bed's head of a man who

got drunk over night, according to the way that such things are

ordinarily explained? And yet I shall give you such a relation of this,

that not even the most devout and precise Presbyterian will offer to

call in question."

According to De Foe, Mr. Baxter gave full credit to the story, adding many

pious reflections upon the subject, and expressing himself "posed to think

what kind of spirit this is."

R. I. R.

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Miscellaneous.

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