I have previously reported an interview with her.

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Wylie Nealy [HW: Biscoe Arkansas?]

Age: 85

I was born in 1852. I am 85 years old. I was born in Gordon County. The

closest town was Calhoun, South Carolina. My sister died in '59. That's

the first dead, person I ever saw. One of my sisters was give away and

another one was sold before the Civil War started. Sister Mariah was

give to the young mistress, Miss Ella Conley. I didn't see her sold. I

never seed nobody sold but I heard 'em talking about it. I had five

sisters and one brother. My father was a free man always. He was a

Choctaw Indian. Mother was part Cherokee Indian. My mother's mistress

was Mrs. Martha Christian. He died and she married Tom Nealy, the one

they call me fur, Wylie Nealy.

Liberty and Freedom was all I ever heard any colored folks say dey

expected to get out of de war, and mighty proud of dot. Nobody knowed

they was goin to have a war till it was done broke out and they was

fightin about it. Didn't nobody want land, they jess wanted freedom. I

remembers when Lincoln was made the President both times and when he was

killed. I recollects all that like yesterday.

The army had been through and swept out everything. There wasn't a

chicken or hog nowhere to be had, took the stock and cattle and all the

provisions. So de slaves jess had to scatter out and leave right now.

And after de army come through. I was goin back down to the old place

and some soldiers passed riding along and one said "Boy where you goin?

Said nothing up there." I says, "I knows it." Then he say "Come on here,

walk along back there" and I followed him. I was twelve years old. He

was Captain McClendenny. Then when I got to the camp wid him he say "You

help around here." I got sick and they let me go back home then to

Resacca, Georgia and my mother died. When I went back they sent me to

Chattanooga with Captain Story. I was in a colored regiment nine months,

I saw my father several times while I was at Chattanooga. We was in

Shermans army till it went past Atlanta. They burned up the city. Two of

my masters come out of the war alive and two dead. I was mustered out in

August 1865. I stayed in camp till my sisters found a cabin to move in.

Everybody got rations issued out. It was a hard time. I got hungry lots

times. No plantations was divided and the masters didn't have no more

than the slaves had when the war was done. After the Yankees come in and

ripped them up old missus left and Mr. Tom Nealy was a Home Guard. He

had a class of old men. Never went back or seen any more of them.

Everybody left and a heap of the colored folks went where rations could

be issued to them and some followed on in the armies. After I was

mustered out I stayed around the camps and went to my sister's cabin

till we left there. Made anything we could pick up. Men come in there

getting people to go work for them. Some folks went to Chicago. A heap

of the slaves went to the northern cities. Colonel Stocker, a officer in

the Yankee army, got us to come to a farm in Arkansas. We wanted to stay

together is why we all went on the farm. May 1866, when we come to

Arkansas is the first farmin I had seen done since I left Tom Nealy's

place. Colonel Stocker is mighty well known in St. Francis County. He

brought lots of families, brought me and my brother, my two brothers and

a nephew. We come on the train. It took four or five days. When we got

to Memphis we come to Linden on a boat "Molly Hamilton" they called it.

I heard it was sunk at Madison long time after that. Colonel Stocker

promised to pay $6 a month and feed us. When Christmas come he said all

I was due was $12.45. We made a good crop. That wasn't it. Been there

since May. Had to stay till got all the train and boat fare paid. There

wasn't no difference in that and slavery 'cept they couldn't sell us.

I heard a heap about the Ku Klux but I nebber seed them. Everybody was

scared of them.

The first votin I ever heard of was in Grant's election. Both black and

white voted. I voted Republican for Grant. Lot of the southern soldiers

was franchised and couldn't vote. Just the private soldiers could vote

at tall. I don't know why it was. I was a slave for thirteen years from

birth. Every slave could vote after freedom. Some colored folks held

office. I knew several magistrates and sheriffs. There was one at Helena

(Arkansas) and one at Marianna. He was a High Sheriff. I voted some

after that but I never voted in the last Presidento election. I heard

'em say it wasn't no use, this man would be elected anyhow. I sorter

quit off long time ago.

In 1874 and 1875 I worked for halves and made nough to buy a farm in St.

Francis County. It cost $925. I bought it in 1887. Eighty acres to be

cleared down in the bottoms. My family helped and when my help got

shallow, the children leaving me, I sold it for $2,000, in 1904. I was

married jess once and had eight children; five livin and three dead. Me

and the old woman went to Oklahoma. We went in January and come back to

Biscoe (Arkansas) in September. It wasn't no place for farming. I bought

40 acres from Mr. Aydelott and paid him $500. I sold it and come to Mr.

Joe Perry's place, paid $500 for 40 acres of timber land. We cleared it

and I got way in debt and lost it. Clear lost it! Ize been working

anywhere I could make a little since then. My wife died and I been doing

little jobs and stays about with my children. The Welfare gives me a

little check and some supplies now and then.

No maam, I can't read much. I was not learnt. I could figure a little

before my eyes got bad. The white folks did send their children to pay

schools but we colored children had to stay around the house and about

in the field to work. I never got no schoolin. I went with old missus to

camp meeting down in Georgia one time and got to go to white church

sometimes. At the camp meeting there was a big tent and all around it

there was brush harbors and tents where people stayed to attend the

meetins. They had four meetins a day. Lots of folk got converted and

shouted. They had a lot of singings They had a lots to eat and a big

time.

I don't think much about these young folks now. It seems lack everybody

is having a hard time to live among us colored folks. Some white folks

has got a heap and fine cars to get about in. I don't know what go in to

become of 'em.

People did sing more than I hear them now but I never could sing. They

sing a lot of foolish songs and mostly religious songs.

I don't recollect of any slave uprising. I never heard of any. We didn't

know they was going to have a war till they was fighting. Yes maam, they

heard Lincoln was going to set 'em free, but they didn't know how he was

going to do it. Everybody wanted freedom. Mr. Hammond (white) ask me not

long ago if I didn't think it best to bring us from Africa and be slaves

than like wild animals in Africa. He said we was taught about God and

the Gospel over here if we was slaves. I told him I thought dot freedom

was de best anywhere.

We had a pretty hard time before freedom. My mother was a field woman.

When they didn't need her to work they hired her out and they got the

pay. The master mated the colored people. I got fed from the white folks

table whenever I curried the horses. I was sorter raised up with Mr.

Nealy's children. They didn't mistreat me. On Saturday the mistress

would blow a cone shell and they knowed to go and get the rations. We

got plenty to eat. They had chickens and ducks and geese and plenty

milk. They did have hogs. They had seven or eight guineas and a lot of

peafowls. I never heard a farm bell till I come to Arkansas. The

children et from pewter bowls or earthen ware. Sometimes they et greens

or milk from the same bowl, all jess dip in. The Yankees took me to

General Hood's army and I was Captain McCondennen's helper at the

camps.[HW: ?] We went down through Marietta and Atlanta and through

Kingston. Shells come over where we lived. I saw 'em fight all the time.

Saw the light and heard the roaring of de guns miles away. It looked

like a storm where the army went along. They tramped the wheat and oats

and cotton down and turned the horses in on the corn. The slaves show

did hate to see the Yankees waste everything. They promised a lot and

wasn't as good as the old masters. All dey wanted was to be waited on

too. The colored folks was freed when the Yankees took all the stock and

cattle and rations. Everybody had to leave and let the government issue

them rations. Everybody was proud to be free. They shouted and sung.

They all did pretty well till the war was about to end then they was

told to scatter and no whars to go. Cabins all tore down or burned. No

work to do. There was no money to pay. I wore old uniforms pretty well

till I come to Arkansas. I been here in Hazen since 1906. I come on a

boat from Memphis to Linden. Colonel Stocker brought a lot of us on the

train. The name of the boat was Molly Hamilton. It was a big boat and we

about filled it. I show was glad to get back on a farm.

I don't know what is goin to become of the young folks. Everything is so

different now and when I was growin up I don't know what will become of

the younger generation.

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Emaline Neland, Marianna, Arkansas

Age: Born 1859

"I was born two years before the War. I was born in Murray County,

Tennessee. It was middle Tennessee. When I come to remembrance I was in

Grant County, Arkansas. When I remember they raised wheat and corn and

tobacco. Mother's master was Dr. Harrison. His son was married and me

and my brother Anderson was give to him. He come to Arkansas 'fore ever

I could remember. He was a farmer but I never seen him hit a lick of

work in my life. He was good to me and my brother. She was good too. I

was the nurse. They had two children. Brother was a house boy. Me and

her girl was about the same size but I was the oldest. Being with the

other children I called her mother too. I didn't know no other mother

till freedom.

"Freedom! Well, here is the very way it all was: Old master told her

(mother) she was free. He say, 'Go get your children, you free as I is

now.' Ain't I heard her say it many a time? Well, mother come in a ox

wagon what belong to him and got us. They run me down, caught me and got

me in the wagon. They drove twenty-five miles. Old Dr. Harrison had

moved to Arkansas. Being with the other children I soon learnt to call

her ma. She had in all ten or eleven children. She was real dark.

"Pa was a slave too. He was a low man. He was a real bright man. He was

brighter than I is. He belong to a widow woman named Tedford. He renamed

his self after freedom. He took the name Brown 'stead of Tedford. I

never heard him say why he wasn't satisfied with his own name. He was a

soldier. He worked for the Yankees.

"After the War pa and ma got back together and lived together till she

died. There was five days' difference in their deaths. They died of

pneumonia. He was 64 years old and she was 54 years old. I was at home

when pa come from the War. All my sisters was light, one sister had

sandy hair like pa. She was real light. Ma was a good all 'round woman.

She cooked more than anything else. She nursed. Dr. Harrison told her to

stay till her husband come back or all the time if he didn't ever come

back. Ma never worked in the field. When pa come he moved us on a place

to share crop. Ma never worked in the field. He was buying a home in

Grant County. He started to Mississippi and stopped close to Helena and

ten or twelve miles from Marianna. He had a soldier friend wouldn't let

him go. He told him this was a better country. He decided to stay down

in here.

"I heard a whole heap about the Ku Klux. One time when a crowd was going

to church, we heard horse's feet coming; sound like they would run over

us. We all got clear out of reach so they wouldn't run over us. They had

on funny caps was all I could see, they went so fast. We give them the

clear road and they went on. That is all I ever seen of the Ku Klux.

"I seen Dr. Harrison's wife. She was a little old lady but we left after

I went there.

"I used to sew for the public. Yes, white and colored folks. I learnt my

own self to sew. I never had but one boy in my life. He died at seven

weeks old. I raised a stepson. I married twice. I married at home both

times. Just a quiet marriage and a colored preacher married me both

times.

"The present conditions is hard. I want things and can't get 'em. If I

had the strength to hold out to work I could get along.

"The present generation--young white and black--blinds me. They turns

corners too fast. They going so fast they don't have time to take

advice. They promise to do better but they don't. They do like they want

to do and don't tell nobody till they done it. I say they just running

way with their selves.

"I get $8 and a little help along. I'm thankful for it. It is a blessing

I tell you."

Interviewer: Samuel S. Taylor

Person interviewed: Henry Nelson

904 E. Fifth Street, Little Rock, Arkansas

Age: About 70

"My name is Henry Nelson. I was born in Arkansas--Crittenden County near

Memphis, Tennessee. I was born not far from Memphis but on this side.

"My mother's name was Adeline Taylor. That was her old slavery folks'

name. She was a Taylor before she married my father--Nelson. My father's

first name was Green. I don't remember none of my grandparents. My

father's mother died before I come to remember and I know my mother's

mother died before I could remember.

"My father was born in Mississippi--Sardis, Mississippi--and my mother

was a Tennesseean--_Cartersville_[HW:?] Tennessee, twenty-five miles

above Memphis. [HW: Carter, in Carter County, about 35 m. north of

Memphis, but no Cartersville.] [TR: moved from bottom of following

page.]

"After peace was declared, they met in Tennessee. That was where my

mother was born, you know. They fell in love with one another in Shelby

County, and married there. My mother had been married once before during

slavery time. She had been made to marry by her master. Her first

husband was named Eli. He was my oldest sister's father. Him and my

mother had the same master and missis. She was made to marry him. She

was only thirteen years old when she married him. She was fine and stout

and her husband was fine and stout, and they wanted more from that

stock. I don't know how old he was but he was a lot older than she was.

He was a kind of an elderly man. She had just one child by him--my

oldest sister, Georgia. She was only married a short time before freedom

came.

"My father farmed. He was always a farmer--raised cotton and corn. My

mother was a farmer too. Both of them--that is both of her

husbands--were farmers.

"My mother and father used to go off to places to dance and the

pateroles would get after them. You had to have a pass to go off your

place and if you didn't have a pass, they would make you warm. Some of

them would get caught sometimes and the pateroles would whip them. They

would sure got whipped if they didn't have a pass.

"The old master come out and told them they were free when peace was

declared. He said, 'You are free this morning--free as I am.'

"Right after the War, my mother come further down in Tennessee, and that

is how she met my father where she was when she was married. They went

farming. They farmed on shares--sharecropped. They were on a big place

called Ensley place. The man that owned the place was called Nuck

Ensley.

"My mother and father didn't have no schooling. I never heard that they

were bothered by the Ku Klux.

"She didn't live with her first husband after slavery. She left him when

she was freed. She never did intend to marry him. She was forced to

that."

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