Tables and Chairs

"Tables were just boards nailed together. Nothing but planks nailed

together. I don't remember nothing but homemade benches for chairs. They

sometimes made platted or split-bottom chairs out of white oak. Strips

of oak were seven feet long. They put them in water so they would bend

easily and wove them while they were flexible and fresh. The whole chair

bottom was made out of one strip just like in caning. Those chairs were

stouter than the chairs they make now."

(To be continued) [TR: No continuation found.]

Interviewer: Mrs. Annie L. LaCotts

Person interviewed: Matilda Miller

Humphrey, Ark.

Age: 79

The day of the interview Matilda, a nice clean-looking Negro woman, was

in bed, suffering from some kind of a pain in her head. She lives in a

little two-room unpainted boxed house beside the highway in Humphrey.

Her house is almost in the shadow of the big tank which was put up

recently when the town acquired its water system.

When told that the visitor wanted to talk with her about her early life,

Matilda said, "Well, honey, I'll tell you all I can, but you see, I was

just a little girl when the war was, but I've heard my mother tell lots

of things about then.

"I was born a slave; my mother and daddy both were owned by Judge

Richard Gamble at Crockett's Bluff. I was born at Boone Hill--about

twelve miles north of DeWitt--and how come it named Boone Hill, that

farm was my young mistress's. Her papa give it to her, just like he give

me to her when I was little, and after she married Mr. Oliver Boone and

lived there the farm always went by the name of 'Boone Hill.' The house

is right on top of a hill, you know, it shure was a pretty place when

Miss Georgia lived there, with great big Magnolia trees in the front

yard. I belonged to Miss Georgia, my young mistress, and when the

niggers were freed my mamma staid on with her. She was right there when

both of his chillun were born, Mr. John Boone and Miss Mary, too. I

nursed _both_ of them chillun. You know who Miss Mary is now, don't you?

Yes'um, she's Mr. Lester Black's wife and he's good, too.

"I was de oney child my mother had till twelve years after the

surrender. You see, my papa went off with Yankees and didn't come back

till twelve years after we was free, and then I had some brothers and

sisters. Exactly nine months from the day my daddy come home, I had a

baby brother born. My mother said she knew my daddy had been married or

took up with some other woman, but she hadn't got a divorce and still

counted him her husband. They lived for a long time with our white

folks, for they were good to us, but you know after the boys and girls

got grown and began to marry and live in different places, my parents

wanted to be with them and left the white folks.

"No mam, I didn't see any fighting, but we could hear the big guns

booming away off in the distance. I was married when I was 21 to Henry

Miller and lived with him 51 years and ten months; he died from old age

and hard work. We had two chillun, both girls. One of them lives here

with me in that other room. Mamma said the Yankees told the Negroes when

they got em freed they'd give em a mule and a farm or maybe a part of

the plantation they'd been working on for their white folks. She thought

they just told em that to make them dissatisfied and to get more of them

'to join up with em' and they were dressed in pretty blue clothes and

had nice horses and that made lots of the Negro men go with them. None

of em ever got anything but what their white folks give em, and just

lots and lots of em never come back after the war cause the Yankees put

them in front where the shooting was and they was killed. My husband

Henry Miller died four years ago. He followed public work and made

plenty of money but he had lots of friends and his money went easy too.

I don't spect I'll live long for this hurtin' in my head is awful bad

sometime."

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Nathan Miller, Madison, Arkansas

Age: Born in 1868

"Lady, I'll tell you what I know but it won't nigh fill your book.

"I was born in 1862 south of Lockesburg, Arkansas. My parents was

Marther and Burl Miller.

"They told me their owners come here from North Carolina in 1820. They

owned lots of slaves and lots of land. Mother was medium light--about my

color. See, I'm mixed. My hair is white. I heard mother say she never

worked in the field. Father was a blacksmith on the place. He wasn't a

slave. His grandfather willed him free at ten years of age. It was tried

in the Supreme Court. They set him free. Said they couldn't break the

dead man's will.

"My father was a real bright colored man. It caused some disturbance.

Father went back and forth to Kansas. They tried to make him leave if he

was a free man. They said I would have to be a slave several years or

leave the State. Freedom settled that for me.

"My great grandmother on my mother's side belong to Thomas Jefferson. He

was good to her. She used to tell me stories on her lap. She come from

Virginia to Tennessee. They all cried to go back to Virginia and their

master got mad and sold them. He was a meaner man. Her name was Sarah

Jefferson. Mariah was her daughter and Marther was my mother. They was

real dark folks but mother was my color, or a shade darker.

"Grandmother said she picked cotton from the seed all day till her

fingers nearly bled. That was fore gin day. They said the more hills of

tobacco you could cultivate was how much you was worth.

"I don't remember the Ku Klux. They was in my little boy days but they

never bothered me.

"All my life I been working hard--steamboat, railroad, farming. Wore

clean out now.

"Times is awful hard. I am worn clean out. I am not sick. I'm ashamed to

say I can't do a good day's work but I couldn't. I am proud to own I get

commodities and $8 from the Relief."

Interviewer: Thomas Elmore Lacy

Person interviewed: Sam Miller, Morrilton, Arkansas

Age: 98

"I is ninety-eight years old, suh. My name's Sam Miller, and I was born

in Texas in 1840--don't know de month nor de day. My parents died when I

was jes' a little chap, and we come to Conway County, Arkansas fifty

years ago; been livin' here ever since. My wife's name was Annie

Williamson. We ain't got no chillun and never had none. I don't belong

to no chu'ch, but my wife is a Baptis'.

"Can't see to git around much now. No, suh, I can't read or write,

neither. My memory ain't so good about things when I was little, away

back yonder, but I sure members dem Ku Klux Klans and de militia. They

used to ketch people and take em out and whup em.

"Don't rickolleck any of de old songs but one or two--oh, yes, dey used

to sing 'Old time religion's good enough for me' and songs like dat.

"De young people! Lawzy, I jest dunno how to take em. Can't understand

em at all. Dey too much for me!"

NOTE: The old fellow chuckled and shook his head but said very little

more. He could have told much but for his faulty memory, no doubt. He

was almost non-committal as to facts of slavery days, the War between

the States, and Reconstruction period. Has the sense of humor that seems

to be a characteristic of most of the old-time Negroes, but aside from a

whimsical chuckle shows little of the interest that is usually

associated with the old generation of Negroes.

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: W.D. Miller, West Memphis, Arkansas

Age: 65?

"Grandpa was sold twice in Raleigh, North Carolina. He was sold twice to

the same people, from the Millers to the Robertsons (Robersons,

Robinsons, etc.?). He said the Robertsons were not so very good to him

but the Millers were. Grandma was washing when a Yank come and told them

they had been sot free. They quit washing and went from house to house

rejoicing. My parents' names was Jesse and Mary Miller, and Grandma

Agnes and Grandpa Peter Miller. The Robertsons was hill wheat farmers.

The Millers had a cloth factory. Dan Miller owned it and he raised

wheat. Mama was a puny woman and they worked her in the factory. She

made cloth and yarn.

"I was born in Raleigh, North Carolina or close by there. My father's

uncle John House brought about one hundred families from North Carolina

to Quittenden County, Mississippi. I was seven years old. He said they

rode mules to pick cotton, it growed up like trees. We come in car

boxes. I came to Heath and Helena eleven years ago. Papa stayed with his

master Dan Miller till my uncle tolled him away. He died with smallpox

soon after we come to Mississippi.

"It is a very good country but they don't pick cotton riding on mules,

at least I ain't seed none that way."

El Dorado District

FOLKLORE SUBJECTS

Name of Interviewer: Pernella Anderson

Subject: Slavery Customs

Story:--Information

Information given by: Mose Minser--Farmer--Age--78

Place of Residence: 5 miles from El Dorado--Section 8

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Ah use ter could tawk an tell a thing plum well but ah been broke up by

a cah. Cah run ovah mah haid an ah couldn' tawk fuh 30 days. So now ah

aint no good fuh nothin. Ah recollect one night ah dream a dream. De

dream at ah dreamt, next morning dat dream come true. Jes like ah dreamt

hit. Yes hit did. Ah wuz heah in slavery time. Ah membuh when dey freed

us niggers. Se here, ah wuz a purty good size kid when dey free us. Ah

kin membuh our house. Sot dis way. An ole Marster called all his niggers

up. Dey all come along roun in a squad on de porch. Ah did not heah whut

he said tuh em. But mah step-pa wuz dere an tole us we wuz free. Ah

atter dey freed mah step-pa ah recollect he went on home and fried some

aigs (eggs) in de ubben. Know we didn have no stove we cooked on de

fiuhplace. As ah said cook dem aigs, gimme some uv hit, an he lef' den.

Went east and ah aint nevah seed dat man since. Ah membuhs once ah got a

whoopin bout goin tuh de chinquepin tree. Some uv um tole me ole master

wuz gwianter let us quit at dinnuh an so in place uv me goin ter dinnuh

ah went on by de chinquepin tree tuh git some chanks. Ah had a brothuh

wid me. So ah come tuh fine out dat dey gin tuh callin us. Dey hollered

tuh come on dat we wuz gointer pick cotton. So in place uv us goin on

tuh de house we went on back tuh de fiel'. Our fiel wuz bout a mile fum

de house. Ole Moster waited down dere at de gate. He call me when ah got

dere an wanted tuh know why ah didn come and git mah dinnah sos ah could

pick cotton. So he taken mah britches down dat day. Mah chinks all run

out on de groun' an he tole mah brothah tuh pick um up. Ah knocked mah

brothuh ovah fuh pickin um up an aftuh ah done dat ole moster taken his

red pocket han'cher out and tied hit ovah mah eyes tuh keep me fum seein

mah brothuh pick um up.

So when he got through wid me and put mah britches back on me ah went on

tuh de fiel and went tuh pickin cotton. Dat evenin when us stop pickin

cotton ah took mah brothah down and taken mah chinquapins.

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Gip Minton, Des Arc, Arkansas

Age: 84

"I was born at Jackson, Alabama on the Tennessee River. It was sho a

putty river. I never did know my grandfolks. I think my father was a

soldier. My master was a soldier, I think. He was in de war. I do

remember the Civil War. I remember the last battle at Scottsboro. There

was several but one big battle and they got to Belfontain. That is where

it seemed they were trying to go. I don't recollect who won the battle.

I heard them fighting and saw the smoke and after they went on saw the

bodies dead and all that was left was like a cyclone had swept by. There

was a big regiment stationed at Scottsboro. It was just like any war

fought with guns and they lived in tents. They took everything they

could find. Looked like starvation was upon de land.

"I had two sisters and one brother and my mother died when I was a baby.

I come out here to Arkansas with my mothers old master and mistress and

never did see nor hear of none of them. No I never did hear from none of

them. I come out here when I was ten or twelve years old. It was, it was

right after the war. I recken I was freed, but I was raised by white

folks and I stayed right on wid em. Dat freedom ain't never bothered me.

"My master and mistress names was Master Alfred Minton. Dey call me Gip

for him. Gip Minton is what they always called me. My mistress was Miss

Annie Minton. I stayed right wid em. They raised me and I come on here

wid em. I don't know nothin about that freedom.

"I recken they was good to me. I et in de kitchen when they got through

or on a table out in de back yard sometimes. I slept in an outhouse they

fixed up mostly, when I got up big.

"We come on the train to Memphis and they come on thater way to Lonoke

whar we settled. Don Shirley was the man I come on horseback with from

Memphis to Lonoke. He was a man what dealt in horses. Sure he was a

white man. He's where we got some horses. I don't remember if he lived

at Lonoke or not.

"I have voted, yes ma'am, a heap of times. I don't remember what kind er

ticket I votes. I'm a Democrat, I think so. I ain't voted fur sometime

now. I don't know if I'll vote any more times or not. I don't know what

is right bout votin and what ain't right.

"When I was a boy I helped farm. We had what we made. I guess it was

plenty. I had more to eat and I didn't have as many changes of clothes

as folks has to have nowdays bout all de difference. They raised lots

more. They bought things to do a year and didn't be allus goin to town.

It was hard to come to town. Yes mam it did take a long time, sometimes

in a ox wagon. The oxen pulled more over muddy roads. Took three days to

come to town and git back. I farmed one-half-for-the-other and on shear

crop. Well one bout good as the other. Bout all anybody can make farmin

is plenty to eat and a little to wear long time ago and nows the same

way. The most I reckon I ever did make was on Surrounded Hill (Biscoe)

when I farmed one-half-fur-de-udder for Sheriff Reinhardt. The ground

was new and rich and the seasons hit just fine. No maam I never owned no

farm, no livestock, no home. The only thing I owned was a horse one

time. I worked 16 or 17 years for Mr. Brown and for Mr. Plunkett and

Son. I drayed all de time fur em. Hauled freight up from the old depot

(wharf) down on the river. Long time fore a railroad was thought of. I

helped load cotton and hides on the boats. We loaded all day and all

night too heap o'nights. We worked till we got through and let em take

the ship on.

"The times is critical for old folks, wages low and everything is so

high. The young folks got heap better educations but seems like they

can't use it. They don't know how to any avantage. I know they don't

have as good chances at farmin as de older folks had. I don't know why

it is. My son works up at the lumber yard. Yes he owns this house.

That's all he owns. He make nough to get by on, I recken. He works hard,

yes maam. He helps me if he can. I get $4 a month janitor at the Farmers

and Merchants Bank (Des Arc). I works a little garden and cleans off

yards. No maam it hurts my rheumatism to run the yard mower. I works

when I sho can't hardly go. Nothin matter cept I'm bout wo out. I plied

for the old folks penshun but I ain't got nuthin yet. I signed up at the

bank fur it agin not long ago. I has been allus self sportin. Didn't

pend on no livin soul but myself."

Interviewer: Mrs. Bernice Bowden

Person interviewed: A.J. Mitchell

419 E. 11th Avenue, Pine Bluff, Arkansas

Age: 78

Occupation: Garbage hauler

"I was 'bout seven when they surrendered. I can remember when my old

master sold Aunt Susan. She raised me. I seen old master when he was

tryin' to whip old Aunt Susan. She was the cook. She said, 'I ain't

goin' let you whip me' and I heard my sister say next day he done sold

Aunt Susan. I ain't seed her since. I called her ma. My mother died when

I was two years old. She was full Injun. My father was black but his

hair was straight. His face was so black it shined. Looked like it was

greased. My father said he was freeborn and I've seen stripes on his

back look like the veins on back of my hand where they whipped him

tryin' to make him disown his freedom.

"Old Jack Clifton was my master. Yes ma'm, that was his name.

"I 'member when they had those old looms--makin' cloth and old shuttle

to put the thread on. I can see 'em now.

"I can 'member when this used to be a Injun place. I've seen old Injun

mounds. White folks come and run 'em out and give 'em Injun Territory.

"I heered the guns in the war and seed the folks comin' home when the

war broke. They said they was fitin' 'bout freedom, tryin' to free the

people. I 'member when they was fitin' at Marks Mill. I know some of the

people said that was where they was sot free.

"I don't know as I seed any Ku Klux when they was goin' round. Hearin'

'bout 'em scared me. I have a good recollection. I can remember the

first dream I ever had and the first time I whistled. I can remember

when I was two or three years old. Remember when they had a big old

conch shell. Old master would blow it at twelve o'clock for 'em to come

in.

"Old master was good to us but I 'member he had a leather strap and if

we chillun had done anything he'd make us younguns put our head 'tween

his legs and put that strap on us. My goodness! He called me Pat and

called his own son Bug--his own son Junie. We played together. Old

master had nicknames for everybody.

"My first mistress was named Miss Mary but she died. I 'member when old

master married and brought Miss Becky home.

"Marse John (he was old master's oldest son) he used to tote me about in

his saddle bags. He was the overseer.

"I 'member old master's ridin' hoss--a little old bay pony--called him

Hardy. I never remember nobody else bein' on it--that was his ridin'

hoss.

"Old master had dogs. One was Gus and one named Brute (he was a red bone

hound). And one little dog they called Trigger. Old master's head as

white as cotton.

"I do remember the day they said the people was free--after the war

broke. My father come and got me.

"Now I'm givin' you a true statement. I've been stayin' by myself

twenty-three years. I been here in Pine Bluff--well I jest had got here

when the people was comin' back from that German war.

"My God, we had the finest time when we killed hogs--make sausage. We'd

eat cracklin's--oh, we thought they wasn't nothin' like cracklin's. The

Lord have mercy, there was an old beech tree set there in my master's

yard. You could hear that old tree pop ever' day bout the same time,

bout twelve o'clock. We used to eat beech mass. Good? Yes ma'm! I think

about it often and wonder why it was right in old master's yard.

"I've cast a many a vote. Not a bit of trouble in the world. Hope elect

most all the old officers here in town. I had a brother was a constable

under Squire Gaines. Well of course, Miss, I don't think it's right when

they disfranchised the colored people. I tell you, Miss, I read the

Bible and the Bible says every man has his rights--the poor and the free

and the bound. I got good sense from the time I leaped in this world. I

'member well I used to go and cast my vote just that quick but they got

so they wouldn't let you vote unless you could read.

"I've had 'em to offer me money to vote the Democrat ticket. I told him,

no. I didn't think that was principle. The colored man ain't got no

representive now. Colored men used to be elected to the legislature and

they'd go and sell out. Some of 'em used to vote the Democrat ticket.

God wants every man to have his birthright.

"I tell you one thing they did. This here no fence law was one of the

lowest things they ever did. I don't know what the governor was studyin'

'bout. If they would let the old people raise meat, they wouldn't have

to get so much help from the government. God don't like that, God wants

the people to raise things. I could make a livin' but they won't let me.

"The first thing I remember bout studyin' was Junie, old master's son,

studyin' his book and I heard 'em spell the word 'baker'. That was when

they used the old Blue Back Speller.

"I went to school. I'm goin' tell you as nearly as I can. That was,

madam, let me see, that was in sixty-nine as near as I can come at it.

Miss, I don't know how long I went. My father wouldn't let me. I didn't

know nothin' but work. I weighed cotton ever since I was a little boy. I

always wanted to be weighin'. Looked like it was my gift--weighin'

cotton.

"I'm a Missionary Baptist preacher. Got a license to preach. You go down

and try to preach without a license and they put you up.

"Madam, you asked me a question I think I can answer with knowledge and

understanding. The young people is goin' too fast. The people is growin'

weaker and wiser. You take my folks--goin' to school but not doin'

anything. I don't think there's much to the younger generation. Don't

think they're doin' much good. I was brought up with what they called

fireside teachin'."

Circumstances of Interview

STATE--Arkansas

NAME OF WORKER--Bernice Bowden

ADDRESS--1006 Oak Street, Pine Bluff, Arkansas

DATE--November 2, 1938

SUBJECT--Exslaves

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