Interviewer's Comment

A mighty sweet old lady to talk to.

Interviewer: Pernella M. Anderson

Person interviewed: Rachel Hankins

El Dorado, Arkansas

Age: 88

"I was born in Alabama. My old mistress and master told me that I was

born in 1850. Get that good--1850! That makes me about 88 but I can't

member the day and month. I was a girl about twelve or fourteen years

old when the old darkies was set free. My old mistress and master did

not call us niggers; they called us darkies. I can't recollect much

about slavery and I can recollect lots too at times. My mind goes and

comes. I tell you children you all is living a white life nowdays. When

I was coming up I was sold to a family in Alabama by the name of

Columbus. They was poor people and they did not own but a few slaves and

it was a large family of them and that made us have to work hard. We

lived down in the field in a long house. We ladies and girls lived in a

log cabin together. Our cabin had a stove room made on the back and it

was made of clay and grass with a hearth made in it and we cooked on the

hearth. We got our food from old mistress's and master's house. We

raised plenty of grub such as peas, greens, potatoes. But our potatoes

wasn't like the potatoes is now. They was white and when you eat them

they would choke you, especially if they was cold. And sorghum molasses

was the only kind there was. I don't know where all these different

kinds of molasses come from.

"They issued our grub out to us to cook. They had cows and we got milk

sometimes but no butter. They had chickens and eggs but we did not. We

raised cotton, sold part and kept enough to make our clothes out of.

Raised corn. And there wasn't no grist mills then so we had a pounding

rock to pound the corn on and we pound and pound until we got the corn

fine enough to make meal, then we separated the husk from the meal and

parched the husk real brown and we used it for coffee. We used brown

sugar from sorghum molasses. We spun all our thread and wove it into

cloth with a hand loom. The reason we called that cloth home-spun is

because it was spun at home. Splitting rails and making rail fences was

all the go. Wasn't no wire fences. Nothing but rail fences. Bushing and

clearing was our winter jobs. You see how rough my hands is? Lord have

mercy! child, I have worked in my life.

"Master Columbus would call us niggers up on Sunday evening and read the

Bible to us and tell us how to do and he taught us one song to sing and

it was this 'Keep Your Lamp Trimmed and Burning' and he'd have us to

sing it every Sunday evening and he told us that that song meant to do

good and let each other see our good. When it rained we did not have

meeting but when it was dry we always had meeting.

"I never went to school a day in my life. I learned to count money after

I was grown and married.

"My feet never saw a shoe until I was fourteen. I went barefooted in ice

and snow. They was tough. I did not feel the cold. I never had a cold

when I was young. If we had ep-p-zu-dit we used different things to make

tea out of, such as shucks, cow chips, hog hoofs, cow hoofs. Ep-p-zu-dit

then is what people call flu now.

"When war broke out I was a girl just so big. All I can recollect is

seeing the soldiers march and I recollect them having on blue and gray

jackets. Some would ride and some would walk and when they all got

lined up that was a pretty sight. They would keep step with the music.

The Southern soldiers' song was 'Look Away Down in Dixie' and the

Northern soldiers' song was 'Yankee Doodle Dandy.' So one day after

coming in from the field old master called his slaves and told us we was

free and told us we could go or stay. If we stayed he would pay us to

work. We did not have nothing to go on so we stayed and he paid us.

Every 19th of June he would let us clean off a place and fix a platform

and have dancing and eating out there in the field. The 19th of June

1865 is the day we thought we was freed but they tell me now that we was

freed in January 1865 but we did not know it until June 19, 1865. Never

got a beating the whole time I was a slave.

"I came to north Arkansas forty years ago and I been in Union County a

short while. My name is Rachel Hankins."

Interviewer: Mrs. Bernice Bowden

Person interviewed: Mary Jane Hardridge

1501 West Barraque St., Pine Bluff, Ark.

Age: 85

"Oh don't ask me that, honey. Yes, I was here in slavery days. I reckon

I was here before the Civil War; I was born in '58. I'm right now in my

birth county about four miles from this city.

"I can remember my young masters that went to war. One was named Ben and

one Chris. Old master's name was James Scull. He was kinda mixed up--he

wasn't the cruelest one in the world. I've heard of some that was worse

than he was. I never suffered for nothin' to eat.

"I can tell you about myself as far back as I can remember. I know I was

about thirteen or fourteen when the war ended.

"My father's birth home was in Virginia. His name was Flem Price and his

father was a doctor and a white man. Mother's name was Mary Price and

she was half Indian. You can tell that by looking at her picture. She

was born in Arkansas.

"I can remember seeing the soldiers. I had to knit socks for them. Used

to have to knit a pair a week. Yes ma'm I used to serve them. I had it

to do or get a whippin'. I nursed and I sewed a little. My mother was a

great seamstress. We did it by hand too. They didn't have no sewing

machines in them times.

"When my white folks went on summer vacations--they was rich and

traveled a great deal--mama always went along and she just left us

children on the plantation just like a cow would leave a calf. She'd

hate to do it though. I remember she went off one time and stayed three

months and left me sick in the white folks house on a pallet. I know I

just hollered and cried and mama cried too. There was another old

colored lady there and she took me to her house. We lived right on the

river where the boat landed and I remember the boat left at high noon

and I cried all the rest of the afternoon.

"I remember the first Yankee I ever saw. They called him Captain Hogan.

I had a white chile in my arms. He set there and asked the boss how many

Negroes did he have and the boss said what was the news. He come out to

let the Negroes know they was as free as he was and told Marse Jim to

bring all of them back from Texas. I know I run and told mama and she

said 'You better hush, you'll get a whippin'.'

"They sho didn't burn up nothin'--Just took the mules and horses. Now I

remember that--they didn't burn up nothin' where I lived.

"I heard of the Ku Klux but I never seen any. We was expectin' 'em

though at all times.

"My grandmother belonged to Creed Taylor and after freedom mama got her

and she lived there with the Sculls two years. My mother and father was

paid a salary and they paid me too--four dollars a month. And I remember

mama never would let me have it--just give me what she wanted me to

have. They treated us better than they did before the war. Cose they was

a little rough, but they couldn't whip you like they did. They could

threaten it though.

"I went to school just a little after freedom. Mama and papa wasn't able

to send me. Wasn't no colored teachers competent to teach then and we

had to pay the white teacher a dollar a month.

"I had very strict parents and was made to mind. When I went out I knew

when I was comin' in. I had one daughter who died when she was eight

years old and if I could bring her back now, I wouldn't do it cause I

know she would worry me to death.

"I used to sew a lot for people in Pine Bluff but I am too old now. I

own my home and I have some rooms rented to three young men students and

I get a little help from the Welfare so I manage to get along.

"Well good-bye--I'm glad you come."

#748

Interviewer: Mrs. Bernice Bowden

Person interviewed: Mary Jane Hardrige

1501 W. Barraque, Pine Bluff, Arkansas

Age: 79

"Well, I don't believe in signs much. My sister was sick about a year

once. They said she had the T. B. (tuberculosis). One day I was there

and she said, 'Sis, do you hear that peckerwood? He's drivin' a nail in

my coffin.' And sure enough she died not long after.

"But let me tell you I had a peculiar dream yesterday morning just

before day. There's a little child here. His mother died and left him,

the baby child. I dreamt his mother brought him to me. She said, 'I

brought my boy here and I want you to keep him.' I thought he come to me

just as naked as he could be. He kept sayin', 'Come on, Mrs. Hardrige,

and let's go home, I'm cold.' He didn't have a garment on. His mother

was with him and she's dead you know.

"I mentioned it to one of my neighbors and she said it was a sign of

some woman's death.

"I was very much devoted to the child. I love him, and that dream stayed

with me all day. I don't know but I've always heard if you dream of the

dead it's goin' to rain.

"I ain't four miles from where I was born. I was born across the river.

We belonged to Jim Scull. I've lived all my life in Jefferson County."

Interviewer: Pernella Anderson

Person Interviewed: O. C. Hardy

El Dorado, Ark.

Age: 69

"O. C. Hardy is my name and I is 69 years old. I like [HW: lack? KWF]

a lot of being a real old time slave, but I tell you I am a slave now,

and ain't no 1800 slave. I was born way down in Louisiana. We lived on a

plantation with some white people by the name of Chick Johnson. That is

the first place I remember we ever stayin' on. My ma and pa slave for

them folks. All of the children worked like slaves. What I mean by

working like slaves--we didn't stop to get our breath until night. I was

slavin' for just the white folks then and since I got grown and married

I've been slavin' for my wife and children and the white folks. My mama

and papa went in the name of their mistress and master's name and so did

I, so we was all Hardys.

"Sixty-nine years ago the time wasn't like it is now. Everything was

different. There was no cars, no airplanes, a few buggies, no trains.

The go was ox teams and stage coaches. People used ox teams in place of

mule and horse teams. Sometimes you would see ox teams with twelve and

fourteen oxen. The ox wore yokes that sometime weigh a hundred or more

pounds. The reason of that, they were so mean they had to wear them

yokes to hold em down. One yoke would go across two oxen's heads. They

could pull--oh my!--as much as some big trucks. We made much better

crops back in the 1800s than we do now. The winters was much harder and

you know the harder the winter the better the crop year you have. We

always plowed and turned our ground over in the hard of winter--that was

in order for the cold to kill all insect and germs in the ground. You

see, worms eats up your seed and plant, and germs do your seed and plant

just like they would do your body. So we got rid of them little

hinderings. In January we was ready to get our corn ground ready for

planting, and man! we raised some crops. I recollect one year way back

yonder we had what they called a centennial snow--that was the biggest

snow that's ever been and the best crop year I ever knowed. I started

plowing when I was about eight. Before then all I can remember doin' was

bushing. After gathering crops we split rails and built fences. We

played on Sunday evening. Our sport was huntin', fishin', and bird

thrashin' and trap settin'. To catch fish easy we baited snuff and

tobacco on the hook. We used to be bad about stealin' watermelons, eggs,

chickens and sweet potatoes and slippin' way down in the woods and

cookin'.

"Wasn't no such things as screen windows and doors. That is some of this

1900 stuff to my knowing. Flies and mosquitos was plentiful. Our cooking

was plain boiled or fried cause we cooked on fireplaces. Wasn't no

stoves. We used all brown sugar from syrup that turned to sugar. White

sugar is about forty years old to my knowings. My ma used to cook the

best old syrup cake and syrup potatoes pudding. She knitted all our

socks and sweaters for you couldn't buy things like that because stores

was few and she spun and wove for the white folks and knitted too."

#658

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Rosa Hardy

Biscoe, Arkansas

Age: ?

"I was born in Brownsville, Tennessee. My mother died when I was real

young, and I had no father. Pike Sutton was mother's master. He was my

old grandfather. He owned a big farm. Tove Sutton was his son and my

father. Mother was light but not as light as I am. I had a sister older

than I am I lived with. I never lived among white folks except in a town

with them. I don't know a thing about my people to tell. I don't know my

age. I give myself a birthday. I don't know the day nor month I was

born. But I'm old. I can count back enough to tell that.

"I work in the sewing room. I'm the oldest woman in there at De Valls

Bluff. I get twenty-one dollars and this month I am to get twenty-seven.

"If you don't have work times are not good. I know that. I don't hardly

know the young generation. Of course I see them but that is all. They

hurrying their way and I'm going my way."

Interviewer: Mrs. Bernice Bowden

Person interviewed: Ida Harper

819 West Pullen Street; Pine Bluff, Arkansas

Age: 93

"Now what you want with me? I was born in Mississippi. I come here

tollable young. I'se ninety-three now.

"My old master mean to us. We used to watch for him to come in the big

gate, then we run and hide. He used to come to the quarters and make us

chillun sing. He make us sing Dixie. Sometimes he make us sing half a

day. Seems like Dixie his main song. I tell you I don't like it _now_. But

have mercy! He make us sing it. Seems like all the white folks like

Dixie. I'se glad when he went away to war.

"But they used to feed you. Heap better meat than you get now. I tell

you they _had_ things to eat in them days.

"I 'member when the soldiers was comin' through and runnin' the white

folks both ways. Law chile--you don't know nothin'! We used to hide in

the cistern. One time when the Yankees come in a rush my brother and me

hide in the feather bed.

"When the war ended, white man come to the field and tell my

mother-in-law she free as he is. She dropped her hoe and danced up to

the turn road and danced right up into old master's parlor. She went so

fast a bird could a sot on her dress tail. That was in June. That night

she sent and got all the neighbors and they danced all night long.

"I never went to school a day in my life. I wish I could read but they

ain't no use wishin' for spilt milk.

"How long I been in Arkansas? Let me see how many chillun I had since I

been to Arkansas. Let me see--I fotch four chillun with me and I'se the

mother of ten.

"Yes'm I sho' has worked hard. I worked in the field and cooked and

washed and ironed. But oh Lord I likes my freedom.

"I couldn't tell you what I think of this present generation. They is

just like a hoss on the battle field--white and black. They say

'Grandma, you just an old fogy.'

"I think they is another slave-time gal down in the next block. You want

me to show you?"

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