CHAPTER XXIV

THE FRENCH BANKING SYSTEM

THE BANK OF FRANCE

[165]The Bank of France was established in the year 1800, and was at

first an entirely private concern, with a capital of $6,000,000. Among

the first subscribers were Napoleon Bonaparte, Hortense Beauharnais, and

bearers of names which are still prominent in the French banking world,

such as Mallet, Hottinguer, Seillers, etc.

At that time, the privilege of issuing notes was not confined to a

single bank. But in 1806 the Bank of France was placed under state

control, and, by and by, the other issuing banks disappeared, by

amalgamation or otherwise, and the Bank of France became, and has ever

remained since, the only issuing bank in Continental France.

The present capital is $36,500,000, all paid, divided in $200 shares....

[Francs are given in terms of dollars.]

These shares are held by the public, the average being about 5-1/2

shares for each shareholder. One-third of the shares are held by persons

possessing only one share. They are dealt in freely in the market, their

quotation being at present about 465 per cent.

The profits go to the shareholders, as in every other company. In 1912

the bank earned a net profit of $8,200,000. The last yearly dividend was

paid at the rate of 20.83 per cent....

The governor of the Bank of France and the two sub-governors are

appointed by the State. They are assisted by fifteen regents, nominated

by the meeting of the shareholders. The same meeting appoints three

censors whom you would call auditors.

The board, composed of the governors and regents, decides all questions

concerning the rate of discount on loans, the issue of notes, etc.

Three of the regents, assisted by twelve shareholders chosen from

amongst the prominent members of the commercial and industrial

profession, compose the "discount committee," which meets at least three

times a week and decides upon the acceptance or refusal of the bills

presented for discount....

The notes are ... legal tender, but, of course, may be exchanged, at

sight, against cash--I don't say against gold, as I will explain

presently.

The denominations circulating at present are $10, $20, $100, and $200.

One dollar and $4 notes were issued at critical times, but have been

withdrawn since. In case of need, they would be resorted to again, and

in this respect I should like to mention the fact, demonstrated by

experience, that even where the circulation is already sufficient, a

supplementary issue of small notes--unless, of course, the amount be too

unreasonable--is much less likely to depreciate the currency than an

issue of larger ones. In a certain sense, we may consider that a country

which refrains from issuing small notes in normal times, possesses _ipso

facto_ a valuable reserve in case of emergency....

I need not recall the remarkable role played by the Bank of France,

under the leadership of its very distinguished governor, M. Pallain,

during critical periods such as 1907, when that institution succeeded in

keeping the French discount rate on an exceptionally moderate level,

while giving valuable and effective aid, at the same time, to the London

market.

How is this successful policy of the Bank of France materially possible?

Precisely because it has the option to pay in silver as well as in gold.

When the situation is such that withdrawals of yellow metal are to be

feared, the bank quotes a premium on gold. At present, for instance, the

quotation is about one-tenth of one per cent. premium, that is to say,

you will only get $999 in gold against $1,000 in notes. If you want to

get $1,000 cash, you can get them, but in silver.

As a consequence, there is no necessity to raise the discount rate in

order to protect the gold reserve, and French commerce has the

privilege of benefiting, as a rule, by the lowest rate of discount in

the world. Thus the average bank rate, in 1912, was 3.37 per cent. in

France, as against 3.77 per cent. in England, and 4.95 per cent. in

Germany.

If we consider a period of fifteen years, from 1898 to 1912, the average

rates are:

_per cent._

France 3.8

Holland 3.52

England 3.62

Belgium 3.65

Switzerland 4.14

Austria 4.22

Germany 4.50

CASH HOLDINGS OF THE BANK OF FRANCE

[166]The undeniable characteristic of our present currency system is

that it presents a transition between the money system and the clearing

system, the ultimate form of which we are unable accurately to define.

This period of transition, which began when the idea of genuine credit

was conceived, will last for centuries before we can rid ourselves of

money as a medium. The system of purely fiduciary currency, which is in

process of becoming firmly established, is not yet sufficiently stable

to prevent us from being thrust rudely back into the old ways whenever

we exceed the limits of our resources.

Crises afford a striking proof of this fact. The initial period, the

precursor of the crisis, is nothing but an abnormal extension of credit

and of speculation. At such times the need of leaning upon the solid

foundation of metallic currency is felt with a new intensity; and when,

with a blindness resulting from overconfidence, this need has been

neglected, when, from a disregard of the functions of money, a crisis is

brought about by the violent rupture of the equilibrium of credit, gold

at once resumes its rights, is sought for on all sides, and, according

to the seriousness of the offence, exacts complete amends, with the

honors of a premium as high as it may choose to make.

It clearly appears, therefore, that this quest for simplification in the

means of credit, which each nation ardently pursues in the interest of

its own industrial and commercial development, demands the greatest

circumspection. In developing credit, metallic currency must not be too

much overlooked. We must not lose sight of the fact that "credit, in

order to be solid and permanent, must have a solid and permanent

foundation."

The first care of the architect who is about to erect a great building

is to secure for it a broad and firm foundation. Likewise, in the vast

and continuous upbuilding of a nation's credit, the metallic base

requires the most attentive and enlightened consideration. To provide

for it, the entire resources of the State are not too great. It is

difficult to understand how, in certain countries, an undertaking of

such universal interest should be left to private enterprise. How can

the latter be powerful enough to accumulate holdings in currency which

may have to remain idle for long periods, and which can unflinchingly

resist all assaults and all storms?

In France a system which has already passed the hundred-year mark and

has been particularly fortunate as to results, intrusts the Bank of

France with the duty of building up and preserving the metal holdings,

and this great organisation shows itself fully worthy of the confidence

which the Government has always reposed in it. During its long career

the bank has never ceased to control credit with rare foresight and a

remarkably steady hand.

From 1870 up to the present time the cash holdings of the Bank of France

have not ceased to grow. But the bank, of its own volition, could not

have made such an accumulation. The exchanges are usually in our favor,

owing to our position as lenders to foreign countries and to the extent

of our exports, and this for many years past has resulted in the

continual flowing of the precious metal into the vaults of the Bank of

France.

In thirty-five years the amount of our metallic reserves has increased

almost threefold. And it is worthy of note that while the amount of

circulation increases together with that of discounts, loans, and

current accounts, the fact is nevertheless established that the bank

note tends to be more and more exclusively represented by cash holdings.

The silver holdings are continually diminishing, while the total

holdings have increased. Indeed, the Bank of France avails itself of

every opportunity to relieve its coffers of this depreciated currency.

Since 1898 a considerable portion of the holdings have been absorbed by

the recoinage of a certain number of 5-franc pieces into subsidiary

coins.

PLACE OF THE BANK OF FRANCE IN THE DISTRIBUTION OF CREDIT

We purpose now to investigate the organs of French credit, and to assign

to each of these organs its function, in order then to ascertain what

operations the Bank of France can perform and within what limitations.

We have therefore to examine (1) the function of local banks and of

financial institutions; (2) in what manner the Bank of France promotes

the free distribution of credit; (3) in what measure the bank must

control credit.

LOCAL BANKS AND THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS

The natural organs for the distribution of credit are the banks, but not

all are able to spread it or popularise it in the same degree. Thus the

"Haute Banque" (the great banking interests of Paris), solely engaged in

operations of higher speculation or in international financial

relations, does not interest us. The function of distribution is

reserved for the local banks and the financial institutions, while the

function of the Bank of France is to preside over this distribution.

Local banks, pre-eminent less than one hundred years ago, have gradually

seen their field of activity growing smaller, and a large number of them

have been amalgamated with great institutions, possessed of much greater

resources, with branches over the entire country, and, it must be said,

free from the routine which caused the downfall of many provincial

houses. With their decline we greatly regret to see the disappearance of

personal credit, which it is more and more difficult to make available.

The _intuitus personae_ (the judgment of character), which may serve as

a basis for credit granted to a neighbor by a neighbor, can not be

considered by a corporation official who has almost no means of

estimating the solvency of individuals except from the material and

tangible side.

The local banks, as far as they have survived, have adopted methods

which do not bring them into competition with their powerful rivals.

They have been obliged to grant long-term credits or content themselves

with being intermediaries for the Bank of France in granting credits to

parties known to them, generally farmers or small landed proprietors,

with a view to rediscounting the paper. On this point again there is

cause to regret, if not their disappearance, at least their effacement.

The institutions for agricultural credit, in spite of all the attention

they have received, have not yet been able to replace the local banks in

the distribution of personal credit applied to agriculture.

The great financial institutions, of which the four most important are

the Credit Lyonnais, the Comptoir National d'Escompte de Paris, the

Societe Generale, and the Credit Industriel et Commercial, have a much

more important part in the distribution of credit. Thanks to their

numerous agencies, to their attractive conduct of business, with the

service of a courteous and attentive staff, they have gradually taught

the people new habits in investment and confidence in credit, to such a

degree that he who but yesterday hoarded in a stocking prefers to-day,

if not to speculate on the Bourse, at least to make deposits in the

savings banks. The great financial institutions have done much to give

even the lowest classes confidence in credit, and to introduce a system

of clearing.

In closer contact with the public than the Bank of France, which is

restricted by having to protect the reserve of which we have spoken,

these institutions are able more readily and effectually to reach and to

mould the public. But that is not their only service nor the only reason

for their existence. There are transactions which they alone undertake,

which they alone can undertake, and which must be performed because they

are in the line of progress. These operations are sources of profit in

the same way as are discounts and loans for the Bank of France. Such

are demand deposits, stock-market orders, and the flotation of

securities. These operations cannot be undertaken by the local banks.

Occupied for the most part with long-term dealings, they have no use for

deposits payable on demand. If they should have such deposits, their

total would never reach a sufficient proportion safely to permit the

investing of an important amount.

On the other hand, the Bank of France does not and, even if it wished,

cannot compete with the financial institutions in undertaking such

operations. Neither the acceptance of interest-paying deposits nor the

flotation of securities can come within the province of a bank of issue.

The flotation of securities necessitates a certain contingent

responsibility, and the institutions which place securities on the

market sometimes engage their credit for very large sums, which are

sufficiently guaranteed by their capital, but the credit which is

intended to safeguard the stability of the bank note cannot be pledged

for that purpose.

It happens that the Bank of France sometimes transmits subscriptions,

but this is a gratuitous and entirely voluntary service. In no case can

the bank take for its own account bundles of securities in order to

dispose of them to the public. The purchase and sale of securities,

which is so profitable a business in all financial institutions, could

never, it is clear, be a successful undertaking in the Bank of France.

The staff of the bank has no special information as to the various

securities dealt in on the Bourse, and cannot, therefore, give valuable

advice. Its role would apparently be confined to handing out the

financial journals and passively awaiting orders. If it should act

otherwise, the staff would engage the moral responsibility of the Bank

of France; but the bank, evidently reluctant to undertake such

operations, prefers to leave that field to its auxiliaries, the

financial institutions.

However, at the present time, the Bank of France tends to compete with

these institutions for the purpose of maintaining sound conditions of

credit which inclines more and more to speculation. Thus it is extending

its department for the purchase and sale of securities in order to

safeguard a poorly informed public against the excesses of speculation

which dazzle with the hope of an always illusive gain.

IN WHAT MANNER THE BANK OF FRANCE PROMOTES THE FREE DISTRIBUTION OF

CREDIT IN FRANCE

Thus the Bank of France must leave entire freedom of action to the

financial institutions and must not encroach, theoretically at least, on

their functions, which, as has been shown, differ materially from its

own. The bank even owes them its protection, since they are valuable

auxiliaries in pursuing its aim of extending credit as liberally as our

metallic base permits. In the interest of the public the cash holdings

are daily at their disposal. The help and protection of which we speak

are not mere passive professions. Unfortunately, there have already been

numerous cases where the bank has had to interfere in order to bring

effective assistance to private banks. The bank has, of course, acted

thus for the welfare of the entire community, but also for the

satisfaction of protecting its auxiliaries with all its power in the

fulfilment of a difficult task.

Let us recall the failure of the Societe des Depots et Comptes Courants,

in the beginning of 1891.

"The Bank of France, after exacting such security as the concern could

still offer and, furthermore, the guaranty of several large banking

institutions, for the purpose of limiting possible losses, authorised

discounts to the amount of 49,228,206.87 francs. Thanks to this

assistance, all deposits were paid off, and the dreaded effects of a

panic were once more averted."[167] However, in spite of the precautions

that had been taken, the liquidation was slow.

Whenever the financial institutions have found themselves in need of

effective pecuniary assistance, the Bank of France has regarded it a

duty to help them, and in normal times, by assisting them with its

resources, it facilitates liberal credits.

IN WHAT MEASURE THE BANK MUST CONTROL CREDIT

It may happen that the great financial institutions expand too rapidly

or unwisely this or that branch of credit. Mindful, above all, of their

own interest, which is but natural, they have no especial regard for the

public welfare, their only aim being to make their capital bear fruit

and to pay large dividends to their shareholders.

The Bank of France aspires to a nobler ideal, and many of its policies

are primarily for the public good. The development of credit is an

extremely delicate matter; there are many instances where the

application of this agency has led to great catastrophes. It is

undoubtedly impossible to exercise a strict supervision over the

financial institutions; any such measure would soon appear vexatious and

would be, moreover, contrary to our spirit of liberty and independence.

But we can quite justly ask whether these concerns are fully sheltered

against disasters; whether nothing can happen to them of a nature to

shake their credit; and in such a contingency what should be the

attitude of the Bank of France.

The preceding instance, and others that might be referred to, inform us

sufficiently as to the possibility of failures. The house of Baring

Bros., the Union Generale, and others enjoyed an immense credit, thought

to be unshakable, and the events of a day flatly contradicted that

opinion.

In the course of the discussion concerning the last renewal of the

charter of the Bank of France, much was said as to the possibility of

allowing a certain interest to depositors in the bank.... M.

Burdeau[168] has shown that it is impossible for the Bank of France to

become a bank of deposit. The issue of bank notes and the receipt of

interest-bearing deposits are absolutely incompatible services. Their

union in a single hand "would replace the present organization by an

entirely new one, which, in case of a crisis, would offer much less

vitality and power of resistance." For us it is sufficient to know that

the payment to depositors of 1 per cent. on deposits subject to check

would attract to the bank nearly all inactive funds, and that a sum in

the neighbourhood of 1,000,000,000 francs would leave the private banks.

This would be their death-blow--a result which we are unwilling to

contemplate.

By their very nature the financial institutions are liable to weakness,

and for the public good there must be some means of supporting them. For

this reason the Bank of France, which presides over the distribution of

credit, can permit the expansion of its auxiliaries only up to the point

where its help would suffice to prevent the collapse of the market. Such

a measure appears imperative in a country where the protecting wisdom of

the Bank of France has always been relied upon. Fortunate land,

fortunate institution, which excites the envy of foreigners, especially

of England, where the least failure may result in disastrous

consequences.

Thus the banks of deposit have contributed to progress by gathering and

giving life to sums previously lying scattered and idle. They are

valuable auxiliaries in the distribution of credit. For this reason they

deserve help and protection. The bank, the mission of which is of a

wider and loftier scope,[169] has shown on many occasions that its

helpfulness is not a pretence; daily, in fact, it assists them by

rediscounting their bills. The prosperity of the financial institutions

has continually increased. It is associated with the confidence and

growing security of our times.[170] But the bank must be ready to meet

even improbable contingencies in order to be in a position to recapture

the market with a sure hand as soon as danger threatens it.

Under these circumstances, what can the bank do? In the first place, it

can utilise its powerful reserve which has been accumulated for this

purpose. It can, in the next place, curb the action of the banks by

competing with them when they appear to enter upon a dangerous course,

and by showing them what steps to take.[171]

On the other hand, there is a whole series of operations which private

banks do not undertake, or do not tend to develop as they deserve.

Directed by self-interest toward the more profitable transactions, they

somewhat neglect the others. The Bank of France finds no one engaged in

these less remunerative operations, and is, moreover, the better able to

undertake them itself, because they are not incompatible with the duties

of a bank of issue.

Foremost, perhaps, among these operations is the popularising of credit

by means of an ever increasing number of small loans, frequently

accepting as pledge securities such as State rentes, bonds of the Credit

Foncier, of cities, railroads, and industrials. An enormous transfer

business is also carried on for both banks and the public at very low

cost. Moreover, the bank clears large sums, annually relieving the

clearing house of this burden.

The small business man, much more than the small rentier, reaps

continually greater benefit from the advantages offered to the public by

the Bank of France. We shall here simply call to mind the dates of some

innovations favorable to the democratisation of credit.

January 15, 1824.--Creation of transfer drafts.

April 29, 1824.--Creation of transferable certificates of deposit.

January 13, 1830.--Reduction of interest on loans against bars and coin

from 4 per cent. to 1 per cent.

1834.--Loans against rentes and public securities.

1837.--Daily discounting of paper except on holidays.

Law of June 30, 1840, article 2.--Option of replacing the third

signature, exacted for discount, by deposit of any French public

securities.

Decree of March 26, 1848.--Similar option of replacing by warehouse

receipts.

Law of November 17, 1897.--Admission of bills for discount carrying the

signature of an agricultural syndicate. The minimum for bills discounted

is reduced to 5 francs.

There is here a whole series of measures, which, with the assurance of a

cordial welcome, should induce the small business man to trade with the

bank.

The bank accepts large quantities of small paper with small signatures,

and it finds itself, accordingly, in normal times deprived of first-rate

paper, of that which is as good as gold in international commerce.

Gilt-edged paper always finds its market at lower rates than in the

bank, and M. d'Eichthal, a regent of the bank, wrote as far back as

fifty years ago: "Whatever may be the discount rate, among the bills

discounted there will be found but few with the signatures of the

Rothschilds, the Hottinguers, and other houses of the same rank. Those

are delicacies which always command a premium."[172]...

The bank has always resolutely undertaken to carry through a whole

series of operations which could not show great profit; above all, it

has unremittingly aimed to be of service to the greatest number. The

number of bills discounted grows continuously, while the total amounts,

smaller during the most prosperous periods, invariably increase in

periods of tight money. The average amount and term of bills is 600

francs for twenty days. This result would be considerably modified, if

we were to take into account the bills handed in for collection only,

the average value of which hardly exceeds 200 to 250 francs.

TERRITORIAL EXPANSION OF THE BANK OF FRANCE

With its growth in extent the bank has not only developed its services

to meet new business needs, by providing an increased staff, and larger,

more attractive, and better conducted offices, but it has also

endeavored to reach a more and more widely extended territory. Indeed,

the mere fact that the bank has entered a place, if only to make

collections there, gives a favorable turn to credit conditions; credit

becomes cheaper, in that the basis for money rates becomes the official

discount rate, because the financial institutions have then a more

economical method of replenishing their cash. The smallest provincial

town where the bank has entered is, therefore, in regard to low money

rates, as favored as Paris.

Exchange between cities, particularly when joined with a special

commission, reaches sometimes a considerable sum. As soon as the bank

opens its branch, exchange is no longer possible. Therefore, whenever

the charter of the bank has been renewed, the legislator, in response to

the wishes of the public, has wisely required new territorial expansion

of the bank. If the bank has not always taken the initiative in this

mode of expansion, it is because it has been restrained by several

motives. In the first place, the opening of new offices entails

considerable expense. It is necessary to count upon several years of

deficit, during which the running expenses, including salaries of staff,

are just as high as if the profits were large. We could name several

cities which for years have shown constant deficits. It can therefore be

understood that the Bank of France, which is already established in the

200 towns most important from a commercial standpoint, and which, by

means of its collecting department, touches 265 towns of less

importance, extends its service only with caution to new localities,

since each new branch must necessarily produce a larger and more

persistent deficit. Thus territorial expansion is for the bank an

ever-increasing burden; it is equivalent to an additional tax imposed by

the legislature at every renewal of the charter. The bank submits to

this with good grace for the benefit of the public.

In the second place, there is a limit to that expansion. Where the bank

has no branches, the financial institutions may take root and develop

among a population which appreciates their services. Their profits come

largely, it appears, from small towns, where competition is less keen.

We have already said enough concerning the service of these institutions

in the development of French credit to show the danger of inflicting

upon them fresh injury. On whatever side the bank desires to expand it

finds this limit. If the bank encroaches a little on all sides, the

result may be very appreciable.

The territorial expansion is further perceptibly increased by what is

known in the bank as the exterior accounts. This system, of quite recent

origin, allows any person not residing in the town where the branch is

established to enjoy the same privileges as residents. Business may be

transacted by mail with the aid of certain accounting forms, which often

differ from those used for ordinary accounts. Each transaction is the

subject of a special report, addressed to the customer by the branch.

Not only is the transaction itself reported, but useful information as

to the position of the account is also given, thus permitting the

customer to follow the movement of the account until the half-yearly

statement is sent.

This department is highly esteemed by the suburban public, and renders

many services to landed proprietors and to farmers, especially in the

cattle-raising trade.

Thus the direct expansion, which, as has been seen, meets with serious

obstacles, is assisted by this indirect expansion.[173]

Evidently we are far from realising the attractive dream of a France no

longer deprived in part of banking facilities, but with all bills taken

at par because the bank would reach everywhere. But for the sake of this

end, no doubt desirable in itself, is it worth while to go to extremes

for a scarcely perceptible advantage, to disturb an institution in other

respects strong and useful, and thus perhaps to risk disorganising the

general credit system of France? On the contrary, we should be content

with and even congratulate ourselves upon a progress which leads us,

slowly perhaps, but surely, toward the realisation of credit on low

terms everywhere and for all.

THE BANK OF FRANCE AND AGRICULTURAL CREDIT

"There is no such thing as agricultural credit; there is only credit,"

said M. Dupin in 1845.[174] Matters have not changed since. It is

certain, for instance, that Scotland, which for a long time was the

classical land of pauperism, owes its prosperity to the banks, which, by

developing credit in favor of agriculture, have entirely transformed the

soil and the country. Indeed, more than any other, the Scotch farmer

needed credit, and more than any other he has benefited by it. It may be

said that personal credit is peculiar to agriculture. Thus it suffered

as a result of the evolution already mentioned, which, by causing the

disappearance of local banks or by giving them a new direction, struck a

fatal blow to personal credit.

We know that "agricultural credit" includes loans from seed-time to

harvest. The first labor done, the first loan made to the land can only

be repaid much later. The average time necessary for agricultural loans

is five or six months at least. Now, for other reasons the by-laws of

the bank prohibit the discounting of paper having more than ninety days

to run. By a special favor which would not be accorded in business,

where each loan has a different object, the bank allows the renewals

necessary for agricultural loans, which almost exclusively take the form

of bills payable to order. The bill returned to the maker on the day of

maturity is renewed the following day. The date of maturity alone is

changed.

A very important agricultural industry, which we have already mentioned,

is that of cattle-raising. The cattlemen are, for the most part,

customers of the bank wherever it has a branch. This customer of a

somewhat special kind appears, by the very nature of his trade, to be

indicated as a suitable client for the bank and not for the financial

institutions. The bank permits the cattlemen to indorse each other's

paper, and thus can accommodate them without intermediaries. There

results a very useful co-operation. Moreover, by using the bank the

cattlemen effect great savings, the full value of which they alone can

estimate.

After the law of July 18, 1898, and the legislation that followed, it

might have been expected that the use of agricultural warehouse receipts

would be greatly extended. This legislation makes a serious exception to

the common law for the benefit of agriculture. It "constitutes the

landowner, so to speak, a public warehouse. It is he who, without any

other controlling appraisement, makes declaration as to quantity and

commercial value to the clerk of the justice of the peace. In short, the

agriculturist enjoys a confidence which so far has been denied to

industry and commerce." Notwithstanding this favor, the agricultural

warehouse receipts are little used,[175] and the bank, despite its

willingness to take them freely, regrets to find them among its

discounts in such very small number.

Our survey would not be complete should we fail to say a word concerning

the agricultural credit associations, of which also much was expected

and which have only in a very limited measure fulfilled the high hopes

of their founders.[176]

For the support of agricultural credit the State draws from two sources

the funds required to supply the organs of distribution, the local and

regional associations. The first source is the loan of 40,000,000 francs

made by the bank on November 17, 1897, when the charter was renewed.

This amount, like the 140,000,000 francs already advanced in 1857 and

1878, bears no interest. The second source is the yearly payment made by

the Bank of France on the profit-yielding circulation. This payment

cannot be less than 2,000,000 francs yearly, and more often it is in the

neighborhood of 5,000,000 francs.

All these sums, intended for agriculture, are distributed by the

Government, and are used in endowing the associations of agricultural

credit. The regional associations, which are the pivot of the present

organisation, are self-governing societies, with a capital of their own.

This capital, added to the advance made by the State, is invested in

first-class securities, which are then deposited in the Bank of France,

as discount guarantee to take the place of the third signature, if need

be. The local offices send their paper to the regional office, which

then takes it to the bank, as the needs of funds are felt.

Such is the part of the Bank of France in the distribution of

agricultural credit. Effective intervention was obviously very

difficult, yet the bank has contrived, even beyond its legal

obligations, to give the benefit of its credit to agriculture, which so

justly deserves the care it is receiving.

THE BANK OF FRANCE

INTERVIEW WITH M. PALLAIN, GOVERNOR OF THE BANK OF FRANCE[177]

Q. Is the Bank of France ever attacked in the controversies between

political parties?

A. No charge has ever been made that the bank favored or aided any

political party. There is never any claim that politics enters in any

degree into the management of the bank.

Q. Is the capital entirely private property?

A. Yes. All the shares are divided between 30,000 shareholders, of whom

about 10,000 have not more than one share.

Q. How are your branches managed?

A. All branches are managed by a manager, assisted by a local board of

directors, selected from among the best qualified commercial,

industrial, and agricultural representatives in the region.

Q. Do the branches have business relations with the merchants, farmers,

and all classes of people of the locality?

A. Yes, they are open to everybody.

Q. You have, I suppose, in the branches regular clients who have an

account with you?

A. Yes, and a considerable number of them.

Q. Do your branches do the same kind of business as the branches of the

Credit Lyonnais?

A. The Bank of France and its numerous branches do all banking business

consistent with the laws properly regulating a bank of issue.

Q. A bill drawn in New York on France, on a bank, for instance, the

Credit Lyonnais, at Paris, and accepted by it, would it be admissible

for discount?

A. Yes, if it bore, besides the signature of the French establishment

accepting it, at least one other French signature; that of the person

presenting it, for instance, having a current account at the Bank of

France.

Q. A part of your portfolio comes from rediscounting for banks?

A. Certainly, and it is an important part.

Q. Could you give us an estimate of the proportion of bills which are

discounted for banks and those discounted for other customers?

A. I should estimate that about 70 per cent. of the paper now held bears

the signature of some bank as one of the indorsers; but it is manifest

to us that the number of merchants and manufacturers who appreciate the

facilities given by the bank for direct discounting and who profit by it

increases perceptibly every day.

Q. Does the Bank of France make the same charge for the discount of

bills and for loans upon collateral?

A. The bank usually charges somewhat more for loans upon collateral than

for the discount of bills. The rates at present are 3 per cent. and 4

per cent., respectively.

Q. Could we obtain an estimate of the percentage of the deposits of the

other banks at the Bank of France in comparison with the whole of such

deposits?

A. In the credit establishments which you will visit you will be able to

establish the fact that the liquid cash is, in comparison with their

turnover, relatively very small. In France we consider that the strength

of a bank consists more in the composition of its portfolio, _i. e._, in

the value of its commercial bills, rather than in the importance of its

cash reserve.

Q. Is the amount of all taxes paid by the bank to the State included in

your report?

A. Yes. The public charges of the bank in 1907 were more than

11,000,000 francs, whereas the profits distributed were 31,000,000

francs.

Q. Have you a system of transfers similar to that used by the

Reichsbank?

A. Yes, this system, in France, dates as far back as a century or more.

Q. What is your method of transfer?

A. Transfers from place to place are made by simple notification to

branches.

Q. Are the other banks accustomed to use the Bank of France in order to

transfer their funds?

A. The greater part of the banks use no other method, even to increase

the cash in one of their branches in a remote part of France.

Q. Is the Bank of France subject to examination by the Government?

A. There is no regular system of examination, but the Minister of

Finance has the right to ask for information whenever he chooses.

Q. Is the Bank of France regarded as a bank for banks or as a bank for

the people?

A. The Bank of France remained for a long time, indeed, the bank for

banks, but since it has covered so much territory with its numerous

branches; since the minimum amount of all its operations has been

lowered; since it has opened deposit accounts to all, it is already and

it tends to become more and more--as you ask--the bank of all the French

public.

Q. Is there any contention in banking or economic circles that it is

necessary to restore or extend the right of issue to banks, other than

the Bank of France, to enable them to increase their own profits or to

afford adequate facilities to borrowers or to meet legitimate business

demands?

A. The unity of issue was achieved in France in 1848, and at no time

since then has there been any question, in responsible circles, of a

possible return to plurality of issue. The same tendency is leading,

little by little, to an absolute monopoly in England, Germany, and even

in Italy. I think that it would also be interesting for you to examine

the recent example of Switzerland, which had its note-issue system

founded, as in America, on the plurality of banks and which has now

substituted for this system one single privileged bank. This

transformation has received popular approval by referendum.

Q. Does the export of gold reduce the volume of notes?

A. Not necessarily. It may happen that among our assets a certain

fraction of the gold is replaced by an equal amount of bills in our

portfolio, and that without changing the total of notes in circulation.

Q. There is nothing in the law requiring your notes to be covered by a

certain proportion of gold?

A. No regulation of this kind exists in our legislation.

Q. Do you rely upon raising the rates of discount to stimulate the

importation and to prevent the exportation of gold?

A. It is a principle consecrated by experience that the supreme means of

defence for an issue bank, to protect its metallic reserve, is to raise

the rate of discount, and we never lose sight of this principle.

However, the extent of our reserves allows us to contemplate without

emotion important variations of our metallic stock, and we only

exceptionally have recourse to a measure which is always painful for

commerce and industry. The stability and the moderation of the rate of

discount are considered as precious advantages, which the French market

owes to the organisation and traditional conduct of the Bank of France.

Q. Would you like to express an opinion as to why the Bank of France is

able to hold its gold with a bank rate of 4 per cent. when the rates

elsewhere are higher?

A. The causes of this phenomenon are multiple. Theory teaches us that

capital goes where it can obtain the highest remuneration, but in

considering this remuneration account must be taken of risks; these are

numerous and of different kinds; I mean, of course, commercial risks;

risk of losing on exchange when the capital is brought back, etc. This

at once explains why it is possible in France to maintain a rate of

discount lower than elsewhere. French capitalists might fear, perhaps,

that the higher interest obtainable outside might be offset or more than

offset by the risks incurred. Account must be taken, secondly, of the

situation always held by France as a creditor nation, and which by the

constant income of capital which it assures to us certainly contributes

to counter-balance the current of exportation which might result from

the lowering of the rate of discount.

Q. Does the Bank of France sometimes take steps to maintain the bank

rate by the purchase of bills in the market or otherwise?

A. No, never.

Q. The tradition and the reputation of the Bank of France make it

important that it should hold a larger reserve than any other bank in

the world?

A. It is true that France keeps locked up in its bank a proportionately

larger amount of specie than any other country, but this policy is not

without important compensations. Suppose the French public, changing its

mind, should reduce by one-half its monetary reserve of which the bank

is the guardian. It would gain thereafter the interest on perhaps two

milliards of francs released and which would have become

productive--that is to say, a saving of from 80 to 100 millions of

francs per year at the maximum--but if one reflects that it would lose

the advantage of the reduced rates of discount which the extent and

character of our reserves enable us to maintain and from which all

French production profits; that it would lose, in addition, the

sentiment of absolute security, of complete financial independence,

which every crisis has strengthened, one would be less tempted to

conclude--with certain critics--that the policy of maintaining heavy

reserves, the natural expression of the country's instincts, is an

unwise policy from an economic and practical standpoint.

Q. You have, I believe, no requirement of law by which the Bank of

France is obliged to purchase gold at a certain fixed price?

A. The bank buys gold according to the tariff of the Mint, but it is not

obliged to do so. Private individuals, instead of having their money

coined for themselves, find it more advantageous to sell their ingots to

the bank, which has them coined when needed.

THE CREDIT LYONNAIS

INTERVIEWS WITH BARON BRINCARD, ADMINISTRATEUR DELEGUE, AND OTHER

OFFICIALS OF THE CREDIT LYONNAIS[178]

Q. What is the date of the organisation of the Credit Lyonnais?

A. July 6, 1863.

Q. Under what law was it organised?

A. We are under the general law, a general companies law.

Q. What is the minimum amount of capital required?

A. There is no minimum, but at least one-fourth of the capital is

required by law to be actually paid in.

Q. How many shareholders have you?

A. Our capital is divided into 500,000 shares, but as many of these

shares are issued to "bearer" we do not know how many shareholders we

have.

Q. The cash in hand is merely carried for the necessities of business?

A. Yes. Any bank, if it has need for additional cash, may present for

rediscount at the Bank of France the bills and other commercial paper

which it has in its vaults.

Q. What per cent. of your deposits do you intend to carry in cash either

in your own vaults or in other banks?

A. Eight to 10 per cent. on the average.

Q. Does the Bank of France ever loan below its published rate?

A. No. It never does.

Q. It is not, I believe, the policy of your bank to buy public

securities in large amounts?

A. No. Our idea is to buy all the commercial paper that we can get. That

is our business. At present it is almost impossible to get any

commercial paper because business is so slack; therefore, we are obliged

to go outside and buy treasury bills.

Q. To what kinds of banks do you lend on collateral?

A. Mostly foreign banks; for instance, banks in New Orleans during the

cotton season. It is not to our interest to lend to French banks. We

lend money to foreign banks and to French merchants, but never to

foreign merchants or to French banks. We never lend on real estate. That

is the business of the Credit Foncier.

Q. Do you own all of the securities you sell, or do you take orders and

buy and sell them on commission?

A. The greater part of our transactions are made on commission.

Q. In your statement of liabilities you show deposits about

$132,000,000, and current accounts about $168,000,000. Will you kindly

explain the difference between these two accounts?

A. Deposits are sums of money deposited, especially by private people.

Accounts current represent the balances to the credit of business

people.

Q. If I come here and open an account with you and make a deposit and

say I want to transact business with you, borrowing money from time to

time, and depositing and drawing daily, would you put that account in

your "accounts current"?

A. If you were not a merchant, you would have a deposit account opened

for your daily deposits and drawings. Your account could never show a

debit balance and the amounts which you might borrow would have to be

secured by deposit of securities and would be placed under the item

"loans on securities." If you were a merchant, an account current would

be opened for the requirements of your business, and this account could

become debtor.

Q. Deposits and current accounts are payable on demand?

A. Yes; on demand. Deposits are made up of sums deposited by customers

whose accounts are not active; they are more in the nature of reserve

deposits, whereas current accounts represent deposits made by customers

mostly in active business.

Q. Do you pay interest on practically all of your deposits and current

accounts?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you find that the Bank of France competes with you in any way?

A. In no way.

Q. They receive accounts from individuals and small tradesmen in the

branches, do they not?

A. Yes; but they do not grant uncovered credits. There is no competition

between the Bank of France and the other banks, because they do not do

the same kind of business. The Bank of France receives deposits, but

does not allow interest upon them; it only discounts bills with three

signatures; it is the bankers' bank; it acts as the regulator of the

money market.

Q. Do its branches receive deposits?

A. Yes; they receive deposits, without allowing any interest. In times

when money is cheap the rate of discount of the Bank of France is rarely

below 3 per cent., and in the Credit Lyonnais and other banks the rate

may be sensibly below that of the Bank of France.

Q. Can you state the number of employes in the Credit Lyonnais?

A. About 14,000. It varies according to the time of year.

Q. Are all of the important banks in the City of Paris members of the

clearing house?

A. Yes; about 13 of the most important.

Q. How frequently are the clearings made?

A. Three times a day. As a matter of fact, our clearing house is not so

important as yours in America.

Q. The clearing houses in the cities of France are in no sense a factor;

they are merely the machinery through which the cheques are cleared, are

they not?

A. To our knowledge there is but one clearing house; it is in Paris and

is merely a mechanism for settling balances.

Q. Are you examined at any time and in any way by the Government?

A. No. The control of the Government is limited to the supervision for

taxes, to which every company is subject.

Q. Your relations with the Bank of France are very intimate and cordial,

are they not?

A. Yes.

Q. Is that true with all the banks in France?

A. The Bank of France is quite impartial; it gives no preference to any

one; there is no favoritism.

Q. I understand none of the farmers or peasants will use cheques.

A. The use is extremely rare.

Q. How about your tradesmen all through the small towns, and the doctor

and lawyer and professional man; would they draw the money out and pay

their bills in cash?

A. Certainly; most of them.

Q. When you establish a branch in a small town, you generally find a

local independent bank there. Can this local bank compete with you?

A. There are certain places where the private banks have kept on, but

the tendency is for the private banker to disappear. We take small sums

and have numerous branches. One great distinction is that the private

bank is always in the hands of a family. A man who originally starts a

private bank may be a good banker, financier, and business man, but it

does not always follow that his son, who in all likelihood will inherit

the business, will be capable of running it. Our joint-stock banks do

not go from father to son, but are always under efficient management.

Q. What proportion of your own payments are made in gold?

A. A very small proportion. The people prefer notes.

Q. Do the French people hoard money as much as formerly?

A. No; it is becoming more the custom to put money in the banks. Thirty

years ago they kept the money at home.

COMPTOIR D'ESCOMPTE

INTERVIEW WITH M. ULLMANN, DIRECTOR OF THE COMPTOIR D'ESCOMPTE[179]

Q. One of the things that we have in mind is to inquire in regard to the

character of the business done by your branches.

A. Yes. We are especially a discount bank and our customers are mostly

commercial people engaged in commerce and industry, so that our

principal business in our branch offices consists in discounting

commercial paper, in making advances against securities, goods, or

warehouse receipts, or sometimes giving blank credits to our customers

for commercial requirements.

Q. Have you stock in other banks which you control?

A. We are interested in the Banque de l'Indo Chine, which is an issue

bank in the French colonies, but we do not control it; we hold a certain

amount of shares.

Q. Are there any other banks which you control?

A. No.

Q. You have not been in the habit of buying up other banks?

A. No. The system here is to establish agencies of our own; the Germans,

on the contrary, control other banks in order to arrive at the same

result, viz., to get as much influence as possible throughout the

country. We try to come to the same result by establishing our own

agencies.

Q. Is that true of the Credit Lyonnais?

A. The Credit Lyonnais and the Societe Generale have the same system.

Q. Is it usual for large banks in Paris to confine their underwriting

operations to bond syndicates?

A. Yes; banks receiving deposits, such as the Credit Lyonnais and the

Societe Generale, do not usually participate in syndicate operations

covering the _shares_ of industrial concerns; other banks, such as the

Banque de Paris et des Pays-Bas, do so, but they are not deposit banks.

They have more liberty to engage their own capital in any enterprise.

Q. You are not restricted by law in doing any business you please?

A. No; it is only the custom and rules of our society.

Q. If there were a large industrial corporation in France which wanted

to develop its business and issue bonds upon it, and if they were

customers of yours of unquestioned financial standing, would you take

their bonds and sell them?

A. Yes.

Q. But not their stock?

A. If they were a well-known concern we would sell their shares too; we

have done so.

Q. Is there co-operation between the large banks?

A. We meet very often and often have common interests in business.

Q. Do you, in a sense, divide the field? I suppose you have a certain

field in which you do business and other banks do not; Turkey, for

instance?

A. Turkey is reserved for the Banque Ottomane.

Q. Take the electrical business, for instance.

A. As far as we are concerned we are connected with the Thomson-Houston;

and it is natural if the Thomson-Houston and their friends have any

business to do, that they deal with us.

Q. There is nothing in the law which restricts you to any class of

investment?

A. No.

Q. And nothing that requires you to keep any reserve; that is, any

amount of cash as against your liabilities?

A. No.

Q. Is the Bank of France your principal reliance in case you need money?

Do you think it necessary to carry any additional reserve?

A. Under our French system we consider the commercial paper we keep in

the portfolio a cash reserve, as we can rediscount it at the Bank of

France. We know the Bank of France will discount these bills and thus

enable us to convert the bills instantly into cash; this is the basis of

the French banking system.

Q. Outside of Paris it happens that you have branches at many of the

same places as the Bank of France; is there competition between the

branches of the Bank of France and your own branches?

A. No; the Bank of France does more rediscounting than discounting, and

the Bank of France also has more conservative rules than the other

banks. We may lend under the Bank of France rate, so our clients have an

interest in keeping their accounts with us.

Q. You do not consider the Bank of France as an active competitor?

A. No; competition is greater with the Credit Lyonnais and with the

other private banks than with the Bank of France.

Q. You do considerable rediscounting of bills, I take it?

A. Yes.

Q. At a lower rate than the Bank of France?

A. Frequently.

Q. Is the development of branches a matter of recent times?

A. Yes; we began the system of establishing branches about twenty years

ago.

Q. How many employes have you?

A. Including the country, something like 5,000.

Q. Have you a pension system for your employes?

A. Our clerks consent to a rebate of 5 per cent. on their salaries, and

we duplicate this rebate by a voluntary contribution, in order to

constitute a pension fund; it amounts now to about 7,000,000 francs.

Q. If a new bank were to be organised here, would it be admitted as a

member of the clearing house?

A. Certainly.

Q. You have no new banks except the Union Parisienne?

A. There is also the Banque Francaise, managed by M. Rouvier, who

formerly was Premier.

BANQUE DE PARIS ET DES PAYS-BAS

INTERVIEW WITH M. MORET, MANAGER OF THE BANQUE DE PARIS ET DES

PAYS-BAS[180]

Q. We assume that your business is in many respects quite unlike that of

the other joint-stock banks?

A. Yes; in some respects.

Q. What is the difference?

A. The Societe Generale, Credit Lyonnais, etc., receive deposits from

the public; they invest these deposits and try to make the most of them,

paying a small rate of interest on them; they also loan money on

commercial paper which can be rediscounted at the Bank of France. Here

we are more a business bank; we do not care for deposits from the

public; we work with our own money, with the money which is the capital

of the bank, and we are occasionally assisted by the capital of the

directors, the people who sit around this table, who are all rich people

and some of them bankers. As a rule we do not receive deposits from the

public.

Q. But you do receive some deposits?

A. We receive the deposits of big companies which we have created or

promoted or whose stocks we have issued--they are our customers--but we

do not receive deposits of small accounts from the public.

Q. What is your capital?

A. 75,000,000 francs.

Q. You have current accounts--190,000,000 francs?

A. They are current accounts, from manufacturing concerns, railway

companies, big organisations of any kind.

Q. You have a considerable foreign business?

A. We have connections all over the world, and very often we take an

interest in business abroad.

Q. Do you operate more particularly in one part of the world than in

another?

A. No; although we have only three branches--one in Brussels, one in

Amsterdam, and one in Geneva.

Q. Do you endeavor to carry any special amount of cash at the Bank of

France? Or are you indifferent as to the amount of balance you have

there?

A. We always calculate what sum each day will be likely to be withdrawn;

besides which we always have a large amount of commercial paper which we

could rediscount at the Bank of France at once. Therefore we keep just

enough cash in vault to meet any cheques which may be presented.

Q. Do you carry an account in New York?

A. We lend money to bankers there. Different kinds of loans, some are at

sixty days or ninety days.

Q. You are not restricted in any way as to the character of the

undertakings you may make?

A. No; we can do as we like.

Q. Do you specialise in practice or do you consider propositions of

various kinds?

A. All sorts of propositions, railway building, harbors, tramways,

electrical enterprises, etc.

Q. Do you sometimes take an interest in business such as placing

Pennsylvania Railroad and Union Pacific bonds?

A. Yes.

Q. You frequently act as managers of syndicates which might include the

other banks of France?

A. Very often we take the head of syndicates.

Q. You are the leading bank in that business in France?

A. They say so.

Q. Is there cordial co-operation between the banks of Paris and the Bank

of France, generally speaking?

A. Yes; business as a rule is done, when it is a big business, with

several of these big societies or banks, and perhaps with all of them

together.

Q. Are there particular corporations in which you have a permanent

interest?

A. Yes; so as to have some control in certain large companies.

Q. What do you think of the attitude of the Government toward the Bank

of France? That is to say, are they exacting more and more from it?

A. I do not think that they exact too much from it. The shares of the

Bank of France are always very high in price; it has not hurt at all the

development of the bank.

CREDIT FONCIER DE FRANCE

INTERVIEW WITH M. TOUCHARD, SECRETARY[181]

Q. Is the Credit Foncier a public institution?

A. Yes, it is a mixed institution; it is at the same time a joint-stock

company and a society under the control of the Government by reason of

privileges which the Government has granted to it.

Q. Who are the shareholders?

A. Any one; the shares are dealt in on the Bourse. The firm capital is

at present 200,000,000 francs; the shares are issued at 500 francs.

Q. What dividend do you pay?

A. We now pay 6 per cent.; for several years it was only 5 per cent.

Q. Does the Government receive no income from it?

A. No; on the contrary, the Government began by giving us a subsidy of

10,000,000 francs; that was at the beginning, in 1852, in order to help

us make loans at a rate advantageous for that time. This subsidy was not

renewed, and the State does not intervene now, except occasionally to

exercise its control.

Q. Does the company appoint the officers?

A. The Government appoints the governor and the two sub-governors. There

must also be three treasurers-general among the 23 members of the

council of administration. These treasurers, as well as the other

administrators, are named by the general assembly of stockholders; but

before presenting their names to this assembly, it is customary to

obtain the approval of the Minister of Finance.

Q. Do you pay the same taxes as the other banks?

A. Yes. We are treated like any ordinary bank. We have the special

privilege of issuing bonds secured by mortgages. It is a very

complicated system in France; there are legal complications which would

render it impossible for any corporation to undertake the business

unless it had special privileges.

Q. Are you confined by law to business with mortgages?

A. We have two principal kinds of operations--mortgage loans and

communal loans. The total business of the two branches of operations

amounts at present to about 4,000,000,000 francs. Operations on so large

a scale involve a considerable transfer of funds, and make necessary a

treasury service requiring, of course, the use of banking methods. Our

statutes, therefore, recognise our right to carry on ordinary banking

operations, within certain rather sharply defined limits.

Q. How is your banking business limited?

A. We are allowed to receive deposits up to a maximum of 100,000,000

francs.

Q. Do you invest in securities other than mortgages?

A. We employ our deposit funds in discounting commercial bills on

condition that they have two signatures and can be presented to the Bank

of France; that is to say, they must not run over three months.

Q. You take mortgages on private estates?

A. Our mortgages may be on houses or on rural property.

Q. What is the precise relationship of the stockholders to the business

of the company? Have they really a voice in the administration?

A. The two hundred largest stockholders meet once a year to ratify

accounts, vote the dividend, and consider the questions docketed for the

day of the meeting.

Q. What is the usual length of time for mortgages on real estate?

A. Our statutes allow us to loan for seventy-five years on ordinary

rural or city property. In the case of summer resorts and certain other

property liable to depreciate rapidly, for the sake of prudence we do

not generally lend for more than thirty years; besides, the borrowers

always have the right to repay at any time, and they often avail

themselves of this right, so that the average length of our loans is

much less--hardly exceeding fifteen or twenty years.

Q. What is the cost for amortisation in the long mortgages on property

in the country?

A. The amortisation is spread over the whole duration of the loan, so

that the total of the interest paid and the capital reimbursed forms a

constant yearly annuity.

Q. Do you employ your amortisation funds to buy new mortgages?

A. Yes; we lend again.

Q. May you call your bonds at par? Are they payable at par at your

option?

A. In our recent issue we have put that clause in, viz., that we can

redeem our bonds at par. Generally we only redeem a certain portion of

them each year, which are drawn by lottery.

Q. What is the minimum size of your mortgages on private estates?

A. There is no minimum; but we do not care to make very small loans

because it costs too much to foreclose.

Q. What percentage of your total business is in the country and what in

the city?

A. About one-half in Paris, and our best business is in Paris. The urban

mortgages cause us less difficulty, and the tendency is for the

proportion of them to increase.

Q. Who are the subscribers to the bonds, and what are the usual sums

subscribed? Are they small or large?

A. They are bought by small people, and generally remain in the hands of

persons of small capital. This is one of the reasons why their

quotations show so little fluctuation.

Q. Do you lend on farms?

A. Yes. Up to one-half, except on forest land, vineyards, and the like,

on which we lend only one-third. We do not lend on mines. On factory

buildings we lend only on the value of the ground and of the building,

independently of its industrial value.

Q. What other institutions of this character are there in France?

A. There are no others; we no longer have a _legal_ monopoly, but we

very nearly have a _practical_ monopoly. There are private individuals

who make mortgage loans, but no large company makes this the principal

feature of its business.

Q. How long has it been the privilege of the Credit Foncier to add

lotteries to its loans?

A. It has done so from the beginning, although we are obliged to ask the

permission of the Minister, but it is on that account that we have been

able to place our bonds so low.

CAISSE DES DEPOTS ET CONSIGNATIONS

INTERVIEW WITH M. DELATOUR, GENERAL DIRECTOR OF THE CAISSE DES DEPOTS ET

CONSIGNATIONS[182]

Q. We should like to know the general character of the business

conducted by your institution.

A. The mission of the Caisse des Depots et Consignations is to receive,

hold, and repay all private funds intrusted to the State either

voluntarily or under compulsion.

Q. You say that you also do an insurance business. What do you mean by

that?

A. The insurance office, managed by the Caisse, issues policies of life

insurance, insurance payable after death or in case of accident, like

any private insurance company. As regards accidents to employes while at

work, it insures only against such accidents as cause death or permanent

total or partial incapacity for work.

Q. Is this a corporation?

A. The Caisse des Depots et Consignations is not a corporation. It is a

state organism, but, while charging the Caisse with the management of

all private funds, which may be turned over to it by the State under

different headings, the legislature bestows upon it full autonomy, in

order to avoid even a semblance of possible confusion in the handling of

private moneys with the handling of public moneys. Moreover, it has

placed the Caisse under the direct supervision and the guaranty of the

legislative powers.

Q. What is done with the profits realised from the business?

A. Profits earned by the Caisse on deposits of the savings banks are

turned over to the reserve and guaranty fund of savings banks.

Q. What restrictions govern the investment of your funds?

A. As long-term investments, we make loans to departments and

municipalities, sometimes to the State; we take government rentes,

treasury securities, guaranteed railroad bonds, etc. As short-term

investments, we take treasury bonds, bonds of the Monte de Piete of

Paris (municipal pawnshop), etc. Finally, we keep large sums in cash,

either in our own vaults or to our credit in the treasury and the Bank

of France, which, for that purpose, keep account currents on demand for

us.

Q. You do not, as a rule, invest in mortgages?

A. No; owing to the difficulty in disposing of such investments.

Q. You purchase no bills and do no commercial business whatever?

A. No; that role is played by the Bank of France. Sometimes we make

advances on securities, but only on treasury bonds.

Q. Your organisation is quite unique in the world, is it not?

A. There is nothing like it in England or America, but there are similar

institutions in Belgium and Italy, for instance. In France this

institution is highly appreciated by the lawmakers, who steadily

increase its functions, and the number of laws and regulations governing

the Caisse is ever growing.

Q. It is customary in France for savings banks to carry their reserve

with this establishment?

A. The savings banks are bound to turn over to us all they receive from

their depositors, except such sums as may be required to meet immediate

demands.

Q. Then, as a matter of fact, this is a central bank for the savings

banks of France?

A. Precisely.

CREDIT AGRICOLE

INTERVIEW WITH M. DECHARME, CHEF DU SERVICE DU CREDIT MUTUEL ET DE LA

COOPERATION AGRICOLE AT THE MINISTERE DE L'AGRICULTURE[183]

Q. What is the nature of the business of the Credit Agricole and when

was it instituted?

A. The first law was in 1899. The first bank was opened in 1900. The

Credit Agricole is based upon local organisations. France is divided

into 86 departments, in each of which we are to have a regional bank

(_caisse regionale_); and we hope eventually to have a local office

(_caisse locale_) in each commune of each department. Among these 36,000

communes there are many which are cities, which naturally would not have

agricultural banks. There are only 2 out of the 86 departments in France

which have not already established a regional bank.

Q. Who furnishes the capital?

A. The basis of the system is the local office of the Credit Agricole in

which each member--local farmers--has one or many shares of 20 francs,

but on which he has to pay only 5 francs down. On payment of these 5

francs he becomes a stockholder. When a local office has been

established it turns all of its capital over to the regional office.

Then comes the State which advances to the regional bank an amount four

times the capital which has been subscribed by the local banks. The

money given by the Government is not really given; it is lent without

charge, without interest.

Q. For what purposes can this capital be used?

A. The regional office does not lend directly to the farmers; it lends

to the local office, and the local office has a board of directors which

examines the demands of the various members.

Q. Under what conditions do they make loans to farmers, and are their

loans confined entirely to people engaged in agriculture?

A. The State loans to the regional office without interest; the regional

office loans to the local office at 3 per cent.: the local office loans

to the farmers at between 3-1/2 and 4 per cent.; in the northern region

at 3-1/2 per cent.; in the southern at 4 per cent.

Q. Under what conditions?

A. The farmer who wants to borrow from the local office draws a bill

upon himself, takes it to the local office, and the board of

administration there considers it. If they approve it, the president

signs it--and it has then two signatures--and then sends it to the

regional office; if the regional office has plenty of money they will

lend the money directly; if not, the president of the regional office

signs it--it has then three signatures and is bankable paper--and it is

taken to the Bank of France. During the crisis in the south of France

last year in the wine-growing region at Montpellier, the centre, the

regional office had one million capital; the Government then added 4;

that made 5, but they lent at that office all together 16 millions, and

the difference was obtained from the Bank of France in the way described

by using paper with three signatures. Before the founding of these

agricultural societies it would have been difficult for a farmer to

obtain the three signatures necessary to borrow from the Bank of France,

and what happened last year in the south of France could not have

occurred before the organisation of the Credit Agricole. It should be

added there has never been one cent lost by the Credit Agricole.

Q. Are all loans made to members?

A. Yes; exclusively to members.

Q. Who can become a member?

A. Farmers; agricultural workmen are excluded. We do not lend to people

for nourishment to support themselves. We lend them money to increase

the production of the land.

Q. Must a man have some share in the crops?

A. We lend money to buy a horse, a cow, or to buy fertilizer. We will

lend to a man who rents a farm, but does not own it, to buy machinery,

cattle, etc., but we will not lend to a man who wants to borrow the

money for his own consumption; we do not lend money for a man to buy a

coat, for instance. These local offices are in communities where

everybody knows everybody else, and they always ask what the man wants

to borrow for, and if he says he wants 400 francs to buy a cow, they

watch him, and if four or five days afterwards he has no cow, they know

it. As the liability is without limit, the other members of the locality

would be responsible. At the beginning the farmers were afraid of

unlimited liability, and on that account they had to make it limited,

but now, in all of the new offices, the responsibility is unlimited.

Q. What are your co-operative societies?

A. They are societies for the production, preservation, sale, or

transformation of agricultural products. There are co-operative

agricultural societies in the wine-growing regions which have their own

wine cellar; there are co-operative dairy societies for making butter

and cheese; there are also co-operative societies which use waterfalls

and electricity; co-operative mills to grind corn; co-operative railways

to bring beet roots to the sugar refinery; co-operative distilleries and

co-operative warehouses for corn. To these co-operative societies we

make loans for twenty-five years. The Government loans without charge to

the regional office and the regional office lends to these co-operative

societies for twenty-five years at 2 per cent.

Q. What is the security?

A. The guarantee is the consolidated liability of all of the members of

these co-operative societies and also a mortgage upon their real estate;

their responsibility is absolutely without limit.

Q. Do you compete at all with the branches of the other banks or with

the Bank of France?

A. No; we have an entirely different class of customers.

Q. Is there any other institution of this character in France, or do you

practically cover the field?

A. The members of these local offices are people who up to the time

these local offices were organised had never had any banking connection

at all. The only persons with whom the local offices compete are

individuals who used to loan to farmers at very high rates of interest.

FOOTNOTES:

[165] M. Robert Masson, Sous-Directeur du Credit Lyonnais, _The Bank of

France_, an address delivered at the annual banquet of the bankers of

the city of New York, January 19, 1914.

[166] Adapted from Maurice Patron, _The Bank of France in Its Relation

to National and International Credit_. Publications of the National

Monetary Commission, Senate Document No. 494, 61st Congress, _2d

Session_.

[167] "Compte rendu de l'assemblee generale des actionnaires de la

Banque de France," 1891.

[168] Burdeau, "Discours sur le renouvellement du privilege de la Banque

de France," June 29 and July 6, 1892, in the Officiel of June 30 and

July 7.

[169] The Bank of France, during periods of quiet and prosperity, aims

at a gradual effacement, at a more complete retreat toward a very high

but very restricted sphere of economic activity. But as soon as the

least trouble appears ... the Bank assumes again its place at the head

of our great financial institutions. (Brouilhet, "Le nouveau regime de

la Banque de France." Revue d'Economie Politique, 1899.)

[170] The discounts and loans of the financial institutions are growing

in importance, and are steadily increasing in proportion to those of the

Bank. This condition, revealed by statistics, is in itself not alarming,

but it once more justifies that intervention, so many motives for which

we have brought out.

[171] It seems that this protective mission especially applies to the

department for stock market orders, originally reserved for the

customers of the Bank, and later opened to everybody. Thus it prevents

the financial institutions from driving us toward excessive speculation.

This purpose explains, according to our notion, the growth and

broadening of the business of stock market orders at the Bank of France.

[172] P. Coq, "Les circulations en Banque," Paris, Guillaumin, 1865, p.

38.

[173] The indirect expansion might be increased by wider use of the

"crossed check." It will be long before we may expect good results from

this practice, since we are as yet too far from the time when this

check, almost unknown in France, will be currently used.

[174] Journal Officiel, 1845, p. 2471.

[175] The main reason lies in the numerous formalities which the law of

April 30, 1906, has simplified but not suppressed, in the many expenses

caused by the organisation, and also, it appears, in the inexperience of

some of the officials. The clerks of the justices of the peace,

intrusted with the delicate and novel functions of registrars of chattel

mortgages, are, as a rule, little fitted to perform them.

[176] The model of these institutions came to us from foreign countries;

but the foreign differ from ours materially, because of the diversity of

their origin. With our neighbors, the movement began slowly in the

lowest levels of the rural population. With us, on the contrary, the

system of agricultural associations began at the top. Thus, these

institutions penetrate only with difficulty into the rural districts,

where economic education has but just begun.

[177] Adapted from _Interviews on the Banking and Currency Systems of

England, Scotland, France, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy_.

Publications of the National Monetary Commission, Senate Document No.

405, 61st Congress, _2nd Session_, pp. 189-218.

[178] Adapted from _Interviews on the Banking and Currency Systems of

England, Scotland, France, Germany, Switzerland and Italy_. Publications

of the National Monetary Commission, Senate Document No. 405, 61st

Congress, _2nd Session_, pp. 219-248.

[179] Adapted from _Interviews on the Banking and Currency Systems of

England, Scotland, France, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy_.

Publications of the National Monetary Commission, Senate Document No.

405, 61st Congress, _2nd Session_, pp. 249-267.

[180] Adapted from _Interviews on the Banking and Currency Systems of

England, Scotland, France, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy_.

Publications of the National Monetary Commission, Senate Document, No.

405, 61st Congress, _2nd Session_, pp. 268-276.

[181] Adapted from _Interviews on the Banking and Currency Systems of

England, Scotland, France, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy_,

Publications of the National Monetary Commission, Senate Document, No.

405, 61st Congress, _2nd Session_, pp. 277-291.

[182] Adapted from _Interviews on the Banking and Currency Systems of

England, Scotland, France, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy_,

Publications of the National Monetary Commission, Senate Document, No.

405, 61st Congress, _2nd Session_, pp. 296-308.

[183] Adapted from _Interviews on the Banking and Currency Systems of

England, Scotland, France, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy_.

Publications of the National Monetary Commission, Senate Document, No.

405, 61st Congress, _2nd Session_, pp. 309-322.

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