CHAPTER XXVIII.

DEBATE BETWEEN MR. CLAY AND MR. CALHOUN REJOINDERS BY EACH.

MR. CLAY:--"As to the personal part of the speech of the senator

from South Carolina, I must take the occasion to say that no man

is more sincerely anxious to avoid all personal controversy than

myself. And I may confidently appeal to the whole course of my life

for the confirmation of that disposition. No man cherishes less than

I do feelings of resentment; none forgets or forgives an injury

sooner than I do. The duty which I had to perform in animadverting

upon the public conduct and course of the senator from South

Carolina was painful in the extreme; but it was, nevertheless, a

public duty; and I shrink from the performance of no duty required

at my hands by my country. It was painful, because I had long

served in the public councils with the senator from South Carolina,

admired his genius, and for a great while had been upon terms of

intimacy with him. Throughout my whole acquaintance with him, I

have constantly struggled to think well of him, and to ascribe to

him public virtues. Even after his famous summerset at the extra

session, on more than one occasion I defended his motives when he

was assailed; and insisted that it was uncharitable to attribute to

him others than those which he himself avowed. This I continued to

do, until I read this most extraordinary and exceptionable letter:

[Here Mr. Clay held up and exhibited to the Senate the Edgefield

letter, dated at Fort Hill, November 3, 1837:] a letter of which I

cannot speak in merited terms, without a departure from the respect

which I owe to the Senate and to myself. When I read that letter,

sir, its unblushing avowals, and its unjust reproaches cast upon

my friends and myself, I was most reluctantly compelled to change

my opinion of the honorable senator from South Carolina. One so

distinguished as he is, cannot expect to be indulged with speaking

as he pleases of others, without a reciprocal privilege. He cannot

suppose that he may set to the right or the left, cut in and out,

and _chasse_, among principles and parties as often as he pleases,

without animadversion. I did, indeed, understand the senator to

say, in his former speech, that we, the whigs, were unwise and

_unpatriotic_ in not uniting with him in supporting the bill under

consideration. But in that Edgefield letter, among the motives which

he assigns for leaving us, I understand him to declare that he could

not 'back and sustain those in such opposition, in whose wisdom,

firmness, and patriotism, I have no reason to confide.'

"After having written and published to the world such a letter as

that, and after what has fallen from the senator, in the progress

of this debate, towards my political friends, does he imagine that

he can persuade himself and the country that he really occupies, on

this occasion, a defensive attitude? In that letter he says:

"'I clearly saw that our bold and vigorous attacks had made

a deep and successful impression. State interposition had

overthrown the protective tariff, and with it the American

system, and put a stop to the congressional usurpation; and the

joint attacks of our party, and that of our old opponents, the

national republicans, had effectually brought down the power of

the Executive, and arrested its encroachments for the present.

It was for that purpose we had united. True to our principle of

opposition to the encroachment of power, from whatever quarter

it might come, we did not hesitate, after overthrowing the

protective system, and arresting legislative usurpation, to join

the authors of that system, in order to arrest the encroachments

of the Executive, although we differed as widely as the poles on

almost every other question, and regarded the usurpation of the

Executive but as a necessary consequence of the principles and

policy of our new allies.'

"State interposition!--that is as I understand the senator from

South Carolina; nullification, he asserts, overthrew the protective

tariff and the American system. And can that senator, knowing what

he knows, and what I know, deliberately make such an assertion here?

I had heard similar boasts before, but did not regard them, until I

saw them coupled in this letter with the imputation of a purpose on

the part of my friends to disregard the compromise, and revive the

high tariff. Nullification, Mr. President, overthrew the protective

policy! No, sir. The compromise was not extorted by the terror of

nullification. Among other more important motives that influenced

its passage, it was a compassionate concession to the imprudence

and impotency of nullification! The danger from nullification

itself excited no more apprehension than would be felt by seeing a

regiment of a thousand boys, of five or six years of age, decorated

in brilliant uniforms, with their gaudy plumes and tiny muskets,

marching up to assault a corps of 50,000 grenadiers, six feet high.

At the commencement of the session of 1832, the senator from South

Carolina was in any condition other than that of dictating terms.

Those of us who were then here must recollect well his haggard

looks and his anxious and depressed countenance. A highly estimable

friend of mine, Mr. J. M. Clayton, of Delaware, alluding to the

possibility of a rupture with South Carolina, and declarations of

President Jackson with respect to certain distinguished individuals

whom he had denounced and proscribed, said to me, on more than one

occasion, referring to the senator from South Carolina and some of

his colleagues, "They are clever fellows, and it will never do to

let old Jackson hang them." Sir, this disclosure is extorted from me

by the senator.

"So far from nullification having overthrown the protective policy,

in assenting to the compromise, it expressly sanctioned the

constitutional power which it had so strongly controverted, and

perpetuated it. There is protection from one end to the other in

the compromise act; modified and limited it is true, but protection

nevertheless. There is protection, adequate and abundant protection,

until the year 1842; and protection indefinitely beyond it. Until

that year, the biennial reduction of duties is slow and moderate,

such as was perfectly satisfactory to the manufacturers. Now, if

the system were altogether unconstitutional, as had been contended,

how could the senator vote for a bill which continued it for nine

years? Then, beyond that period, there is the provision for cash

duties, home valuations, a long and liberal list of free articles,

carefully made out by my friend from Rhode Island (Mr. KNIGHT),

expressly for the benefit of the manufacturers; and the power of

discrimination, reserved also for their benefit; within the maximum

rate of duty fixed in the act. In the consultations between the

senator and myself in respect to the compromise act, on every point

upon which I insisted he gave way. He was for a shorter term than

nine years, and more rapid reduction. I insisted, and he yielded.

He was for fifteen instead of twenty per cent. as the maximum duty;

but yielded. He was against any discrimination within the limited

range of duties for the benefit of the manufacturers; but consented.

To the last he protested against home valuation, but finally gave

way. Such is the compromise act; and the Senate will see with what

propriety the senator can assert that nullification had overthrown

the protective tariff and the American system. Nullification! which

asserted the extraordinary principle that one of twenty-four members

of a confederacy, by its separate action, could subvert and set

aside the expressed will of the whole! Nullification! a strange,

impracticable, incomprehensible doctrine, that partakes of the

character of the metaphysical school of German philosophy, or would

be worthy of the puzzling theological controversies of the middle

ages.

"No one, Mr. President, in the commencement of the protective

policy, ever supposed that it was to be perpetual. We hoped

and believed that temporary protection extended to our infant

manufactures, would bring them up, and enable them to withstand

competition with those of Europe. We thought, as the wise French

minister did, who, when urged by a British minister to consent

to the equal introduction into the two countries of their

respective productions, replied that free trade might be very well

for a country whose manufactures had reached perfection, but was

not entirely adapted to a country which wished to build up its

manufactures. If the protective policy were entirely to cease in

1842, it would have existed twenty-six years from 1816, or 18 from

1824; quite as long as, at either of those periods, its friends

supposed might be necessary. But it does not cease then, and I

sincerely hope that the provisions contained in the compromise act

for its benefit beyond that period, will be found sufficient for

the preservation of all our interesting manufactures. For one, I

am willing to adhere to, and abide by the compromise in all its

provisions, present and prospective, if its fair operation is

undisturbed. The Senate well knows that I have been constantly in

favor of a strict and faithful adherence to the compromise act.

I have watched and defended it on all occasions. I desire to see

it faithfully and inviolably maintained. The senator, too, from

South Carolina, alleging that the South were the weaker party, has

hitherto united with me in sustaining it. Nevertheless, he has left

us, as he tells us in his Edgefield letter, because he apprehended

that our principles would lead us to the revival of a high tariff.

"The senator from South Carolina proceeds, in his Edgefield letter,

to say:

"'I clearly perceived that a very important question was

presented for our determination, which we were compelled to

decide forthwith: shall we continue our joint attack with the

nationals on those in power, in the new position which they have

been compelled to occupy? It was clear that, with our joint

forces, we could utterly overthrow and demolish them. But it was

not less clear that _the victory would enure not to us_, but

exclusively to the benefit of our allies and their cause.'

"Thus it appears that in a common struggle for the benefit of our

whole country, the senator was calculating upon the party advantages

which would result from success. He quit us because he apprehended

that he and his party would be absorbed by us. Well, what is to be

their fate in his new alliance? Is there no absorption there? Is

there no danger that the senator and his party will be absorbed by

the administration party? Or does he hope to absorb that? Another

motive avowed in the letter, for his desertion of us, is, that

'it would also give us the chance of effecting what is still more

important to us, the union of the entire South.' What sort of an

union of the South does the senator wish? Is not the South already

united as a part of the common confederacy? Does he want any other

union of it? I wish he would explicitly state. I should be glad,

also, if he would define what he means by the South. He sometimes

talks of the plantation or staple States. Maryland is partly a

staple State. Virginia and North Carolina more so. And Kentucky and

Tennessee have also staple productions. Are all these States parts

of _his_ South? I fear, Mr. President, that the political geography

of the senator comprehends a much larger South than that South

which is the object of his particular solicitude; and that, to find

the latter, we should have to go to South Carolina; and, upon our

arrival there, trace him to Fort Hill. This is the disinterested

senator from South Carolina!

"But he has left no party, and joined no party! No! None. With the

daily evidences before us of his frequent association, counselling

and acting with the other party, he would tax our credulity too much

to require us to believe that he has formed no connection with it.

He may stand upon his reserved rights; but they must be mentally

reserved, for they are not obvious to the senses. Abandoned no

party? Why this letter proclaims his having quitted us, and assigns

his reasons for doing it; one of which is, that we are in favor of

that national bank which the senator himself has sustained about

twenty-four years of the twenty-seven that he has been in public

life. Whatever impression the senator may endeavor to make without

the Senate upon the country at large, no man within the Senate,

who has eyes to see, or ears to hear, can mistake his present

position and party connection. If, in the speech which I addressed

to the Senate on a former day, there had been a single fact stated

which was not perfectly true, or an inference drawn which was not

fully warranted, or any description of his situation which was

incorrect, no man would enjoy greater pleasure than I should do in

rectifying the error. If, in the picture which I portrayed of the

senator and his course, there be any thing which can justly give

him dissatisfaction, he must look to the original and not to the

painter. The conduct of an eminent public man is a fair subject for

exposure and animadversion. When I addressed the Senate before, I

had just perused this letter. I recollected all its reproaches and

imputations against us, and those which were made or implied in

the speech of the honorable senator were also fresh in my memory.

Does he expect to be allowed to cast such imputations, and make

such reproaches against others without retaliation? Holding myself

amenable for my public conduct, I choose to animadvert upon his,

and upon that of others, whenever circumstances, in my judgment,

render it necessary; and I do it under all just responsibility which

belongs to the exercise of such a privilege.

"The senator has thought proper to exercise a corresponding

privilege towards myself; and, without being very specific, has

taken upon himself to impute to me the charge of going over upon

some occasion, and that in a manner which left my motive no

matter of conjecture. If the senator mean to allude to the stale

and refuted calumny of George Kremer, I assure him I can hear it

without the slightest emotion; and if he can find any fragment of

that rent banner to cover his own aberrations, he is perfectly

at liberty to enjoy all the shelter which it affords. In my case

there was no going over about it; I was a member of the House of

Representatives, and had to give a vote for one of three candidates

for the presidency. Mr. Crawford's unfortunate physical condition

placed him out of the question. The choice was, therefore,

limited to the venerable gentleman from Massachusetts, or to the

distinguished inhabitant of the hermitage. I could give but one

vote; and, accordingly, as I stated on a former occasion, I gave the

vote which, before I left Kentucky, I communicated to my colleague

[Mr. CRITTENDEN], it was my intention to give in the contingency

which happened. I have never for one moment regretted the vote

I then gave. It is true, that the legislature of Kentucky had

requested the representatives from that State to vote for General

Jackson; but my own immediate constituents, I knew well, were

opposed to his election, and it was their will, and not that of the

legislature, according to every principle applicable to the doctrine

of instructions, which I was to deposit in the ballot-box. It is

their glory and my own never to have concurred in the elevation of

General Jackson. They ratified and confirmed my vote, and every

representative that they have sent to Congress since, including my

friend, the present member, has concurred with me in opposition to

the election and administration of General Jackson.

"If my information be not entirely incorrect, and there was any

going over in the presidential election which terminated in

February, 1825, the senator from South Carolina--and not I--went

over. I have understood that the senator, when he ceased to be

in favor of himself,--that is, after the memorable movement made

in Philadelphia by the present minister to Russia (Mr. DALLAS),

withdrawing his name from the canvass, was the known supporter of

the election of Mr. Adams. What motives induced him afterwards to

unite in the election of General Jackson, I know not. It is not my

habit to impute to others uncharitable motives, and I leave the

senator to settle that account with his own conscience and his

country. No, sir, I have no reproaches to make myself, and feel

perfectly invulnerable to any attack from others, on account of any

part which I took in the election of 1825. And I look back with

entire and conscious satisfaction upon the whole course of the

arduous administration which ensued.

"The senator from South Carolina thinks it to be my misfortune to

be always riding some hobby, and that I stick to it till I ride

it down. I think it is his never to stick to one long enough. He

is like a courier who, riding from post to post, with relays of

fresh horses, when he changes his steed, seems to forget altogether

the last which he had mounted. Now, it is a part of my pride and

pleasure to say, that I never in my life changed my deliberate

opinion upon any great question of national policy but once, and

that was twenty-two years ago, on the question of the power to

establish a bank of the United States. The change was wrought by the

sad and disastrous experience of the want of such an institution,

growing out of the calamities of war. It was a change which I made

in common with Mr. Madison, two governors of Virginia, and the great

body of the republican party, to which I have ever belonged.

"The distinguished senator sticks long to no hobby. He was once

gayly mounted on that of internal improvements. We rode that

double--the senator before, and I behind him. He quietly slipped

off, leaving me to hold the bridle. He introduced and carried

through Congress in 1816, the bill setting apart the large bonus

of the Bank of the United States for internal improvements. His

speech, delivered on that occasion, does not intimate the smallest

question as to the constitutional power of the government, but

proceeds upon the assumption of its being incontestable. When he

was subsequently in the department of war, he made to Congress a

brilliant report, sketching as splendid and magnificent a scheme of

internal improvements for the entire nation, as ever was presented

to the admiration and wonder of mankind.

"No, sir, the senator from South Carolina is free from all reproach

of sticking to hobbies. He was for a bank of the United States in

1816. He proposed, supported, and with his accustomed ability,

carried through the charter. He sustained it upon its admitted

grounds of constitutionality, of which he never once breathed the

expression of a doubt. During the twenty years of its continuance

no scruple ever escaped from him as to the power to create it. And

in 1834, when it was about to expire, he deliberately advocated

the renewal of its term for twelve years more. How profound he may

suppose the power of analysis to be, and whatever opinion he may

entertain of his own metaphysical faculty,--can he imagine that any

plain, practical, common sense man can ever comprehend how it is

constitutional to prolong an unconstitutional bank for twelve years?

He may have all the speeches he has ever delivered read to us in an

audible voice by the secretary, and call upon the Senate attentively

to hear them, beginning with his speech in favor of a bank of the

United States in 1816, down to his speech _against_ a bank of the

United States, delivered the other day, and he will have made no

progress in his task. I do not speak this in any unkind spirit, but

I will tell the honorable senator when he will be consistent. He

will be so, when he resolves henceforward, during the residue of

his life, never to pronounce the word again. We began our public

career nearly together; we remained together throughout the war and

down to the peace. We agreed as to a bank of the United States--as

to a protective tariff--as to internal improvements--and lately,

as to those arbitrary and violent measures which characterized the

administration of General Jackson. No two prominent public men ever

agreed better together in respect to important measures of national

policy. We concur now in nothing. We separate for ever."

Mr. CALHOUN. "The senator from Kentucky says that the sentiments

contained in my Edgefield letter then met his view for the first

time, and that he read that document with equal pain and amazement.

Now it happens that I expressed these self-same sentiments just as

strongly in 1834, in a speech which was received with unbounded

applause by that gentleman's own party; and of which a vast number

of copies were published and circulated throughout the United States.

"But the senator tells us that he is among the most constant men

in this world. I am not in the habit of charging others with

inconsistency; but one thing I will say, that if the gentleman has

not changed _his principles_, he has most certainly changed _his

company_; for, though he boasts of setting out in public life a

republican of the school of '98, he is now surrounded by some of the

most distinguished members of the old federal party. I do not desire

to disparage that party. I always respected them as men, though

I believed their political principles to be wrong. Now, either

the gentleman's associates have changed, or he has; for they are

now together, though belonging formerly to different and opposing

parties--parties, as every one knows, directly opposed to each other

in policy and principles.

"He says I was in favor of the tariff of 1816, and took the lead in

its support. He is certainly mistaken again. It was in charge of my

colleague and friend, Mr. Lowndes, chairman then of the committee

of Ways and Means, as a revenue measure only. I took no other part

whatever but to deliver an off-hand speech, at the request of a

friend. The question of protection, as a constitutional question,

was not touched at all. It was not made, if my memory serves me, for

some years after. As to protection, I believe little of it, except

what all admit was incidental to revenue, was contained in the

act of 1816. As to my views in regard to protection at that early

period, I refer to my remarks in 1813, when I opposed a renewal

of the non-importation act, expressly on the ground of its giving

too much protection to the manufacturers. But while I declared,

in my place, that I was opposed to it on that ground, I at the

same time stated that I would go as far as I could with propriety,

when peace returned, to protect the capital which the war and the

extreme policy of the government had turned into that channel. The

senator refers to my report on internal improvement, when I was

secretary of war; but, as usual with him, forgets to tell that I

made it in obedience to a resolution of the House, to which I was

bound to answer, and that I expressly stated I did not involve

the constitutional question; of which the senator may now satisfy

himself, if he will read the latter part of the report. As to the

bonus bill, it grew out of the recommendation of Mr. Madison in his

last message; and although I proposed that the bonus should be set

apart for the purpose of internal improvement, leaving it to be

determined thereafter, whether we had the power, or the constitution

should be amended, in conformity to Mr. Madison's recommendation.

I did not touch the question to what extent Congress might possess

the power; and when requested to insert a direct recognition of the

power by some of the leading members, I refused, expressly on the

ground that, though I believed it existed, I had not made up my mind

how far it extended. As to the bill, it was perfectly constitutional

in my opinion then, and which still remains unchanged, to set aside

the fund proposed, and with the object intended, but which could not

be used without specific appropriations thereafter.

"In my opening remarks to-day, I said the senator's speech was

remarkable, both for its omissions and mistakes; and the senator

infers, with his usual inaccuracy, that I alluded to a difference

between his spoken and printed speech, and that I was answering the

latter. In this he was mistaken; I hardly ever read a speech, but

reply to what is said here in debate. I know no other but the speech

delivered here.

"As to the arguments of each of us, I am willing to leave them to

the judgment of the country: his speech and arguments, and mine,

will be read with the closer attention and deeper interest in

consequence of this day's occurrence. It is all I ask."

Mr. CLAY. "It is very true that the senator had on other occasions,

besides his Edgefield letter, claimed that the influence arising

from the interference of his own State had effected the tariff

compromise. Mr. C. had so stated the fact when up before. But in the

Edgefield letter the senator took new ground, he denounced those

with whom he had been acting, as persons in whom he could have

no confidence, and imputed to them the design of renewing a high

tariff and patronizing extravagant expenditures, as the natural

consequences of the establishment of a bank of the United States,

and had presented this as a reason for his recent course. When, said

Mr. C., I saw a charge like this, together with an imputation of

unworthy motives, and all this deliberately written and published,

I could not but feel very differently from what I should have done

under a mere casual remark.

"But the senator says, that if I have not changed principles, I

have at least got into strange company. Why really, Mr. President,

the gentleman has so recently changed his relations that he seems

to have forgotten into what company he has fallen himself. He says

that some of my friends once belonged to the federal party. Sir, I

am ready to go into an examination with the honorable senator at

any time, and then we shall see if there are not more members of

that same old federal party amongst those whom the senator has so

recently joined, than on our side of the house. The plain truth

is, that it is the old federal party with whom he is now acting.

For all the former grounds of difference which distinguished that

party, and were the great subjects of contention between them

and the republicans, have ceased from lapse of time and change

of circumstances, with the exception of one, and that is the

maintenance and increase of executive power. This was a leading

policy of the federal party. A strong, powerful, and energetic

executive was its favorite tenet. The leading members of that party

had come out of the national convention with an impression that

under the new constitution the executive arm was too weak. The

danger they apprehended was, that the executive would be absorbed by

the legislative department of the government; and accordingly the

old federal doctrine was that the Executive must be upheld, that its

influence must be extended and strengthened; and as a means to this,

that its patronage must be multiplied. And what, I pray, is at this

hour the leading object of that party, which the senator has joined,

but this very thing? It was maintained in the convention by Mr.

Madison, that to remove a public officer without valid cause, would

rightfully subject a president of the United States to impeachment.

But now not only is no reason required, but the principle is

maintained that no reason can be asked. A is removed and B is put in

his place, because such is the pleasure of the president.

"The senator is fond of the record. I should not myself have gone

to it but for the infinite gravity and self-complacency with which

he appeals to it in vindication of his own consistency. Let me then

read a little from one of the very speeches in 1834, from which he

has so liberally quoted, and called upon the secretary to read so

loud, and the Senate to listen so attentively:

"'But there is in my opinion a strong, if not an insuperable

objection against resorting to this measure, resulting from

the _fact_ that an exclusive receipt of specie in the treasury

would, to give it efficacy, and to prevent extensive speculation

and fraud, require an entire disconnection on the part of the

government, with the banking system, in all its forms, and

a resort to the strong box, as the means of preserving and

guarding its funds--a means, if practicable at all in the

present state of things, liable to the objection of being _far

less safe, economical, and efficient, than the present_.'"

"Here is a strong denunciation of that very system he is now

eulogising to the skies. Here he deprecates a disconnection with

all banks as a most disastrous measure; and, as the strongest

argument against it, says that it will necessarily lead to the

antiquated policy of the strong box. Yet, now the senator thinks the

strong box system the wisest thing on earth. As to the acquiescence

of the honorable senator in measures deemed by him unconstitutional,

I only regret that he suddenly stopped short in his acquiescence.

He was, in 1816, at the head of the finance committee, in the other

House, having been put there by myself, _acquiescing_ all the while

in the doctrines of a bank, as perfectly sound, and reporting to

that effect. He acquiesced for nearly twenty years, not a doubt

escaping from him during the whole time. The year 1834 comes: the

deposits are seized, the currency turned up side down, and the

senator comes forward and proposes as a remedy a continuation of the

Bank of the United States for twelve years--here acquiescing once

more; and as he tells us, in order to save the country. But if the

salvation of the country would justify his acquiescence in 1816 and

in 1834, I can only regret that he did not find it in his heart to

acquiesce once more in what would have remedied all our evils.

"In regard to the tariff of 1816, has the senator forgotten the

dispute at that time about the protection of the cotton manufacture?

The very point of that dispute was, whether we had a right to

give protection or not. He admits the truth of what I said, that

the constitutional question as to the power of the government to

protect our own industry was never raised before 1820 or 1822. It

was but first hinted, then controverted, and soon after expanded

into nullification, although the senator had supported the tariff of

1816 on the very ground that we had power. I do not now recollect

distinctly his whole course in the legislature, but he certainly

introduced the bonus bill in 1816, and sustained it by a speech on

the subject of internal improvements, which neither expresses nor

implies a doubt of the constitutional power. But why set apart a

bonus, if the government had no power to make internal improvements?

If he wished internal improvements, but conscientiously believed

them unconstitutional, why did he not introduce a resolution

proposing to amend the constitution? Yet he offered no such thing.

When he produced his splendid report from the war department,

what did he mean? Why did he tantalize us with that bright and

gorgeous picture of canals and roads, and piers and harbors, if

it was unconstitutional for us to touch the plan with one of our

fingers? The senator says in reply, that this report did not broach

the constitutional question. True. But why? Is there any other

conclusion than that he did not entertain himself any doubt about

it? What a most extraordinary thing would it be, should the head

of a department, in his official capacity, present a report to

both houses of Congress, proposing a most elaborate plan for the

internal improvement of the whole union, accompanied by estimates

and statistical tables, when he believed there was no power in

either house to adopt any part of it. The senator dwells upon his

consistency: I can tell him when he will be consistent--and that is

when he shall never pronounce that word again."

Mr. CALHOUN. "As to the tariff of 1816, I never denied that Congress

have the power to impose a protective tariff for the purpose of

revenue; and beyond that the tariff of 1816 did not go one inch. The

question of the constitutionality of the protective tariff was never

raised till some time afterwards.

"As to what the senator says of executive power, I, as much as he,

am opposed to its augmentation, and I will go as far in preventing

it as any man in this House. I maintain that the executive and

judicial authorities should have no discretionary power, and as soon

as they begin to exercise such power, the matter should be taken

up by Congress. These opinions are well grounded in my mind, and I

will go as far as any in bringing the Executive to this point. But,

I believe, the Executive is now outstripped by the congressional

power. He is for restricting the one. I war upon both.

"The senator says I assigned as a reason of my course at the extra

session that I suspected that he and the gentleman with whom he

acted would revive the tariff. I spoke not of the tariff, but a

national bank. I believe that banks naturally and assuredly ally

themselves to taxes on the community. The higher the taxes the

greater their profits; and so it is with regard to a surplus and the

government disbursements. If the banking power is on the side of a

national bank, I see in that what may lead to all the consequences

which I have described; and I oppose institutions that are likely

to lead to such results. When the bank should receive the money of

the government, it would ally itself to taxation, and it ought to

be resisted on that ground. I am very glad that the question is

now fairly met. The fate of the country depends on the point of

separation; if there be a separation between the government and

banks, the banks will be on the republican side in opposition to

taxes; if they unite, they will be in favor of the exercise of the

taxing power.

"The senator says I acquiesced in the use of the banks because

the banks existed. I did so because the connection existed. The

banks were already used as depositories of the government, and it

was impossible at once to reverse that state of things. I went on

the ground that the banks were a necessary evil. The State banks

exist; and would not he be a madman that would annihilate them

because their respective bills are uncurrent in distant parts of the

country? The work of creating them is done, and cannot be reversed;

when once done, it is done for ever.

"I was formerly decided in favor of separating the banks and the

government, but it was impossible then to make it, and it would

have been followed by nothing but disaster. The senator says the

separation already exists; but it is only contingent; whenever the

banks resume, the connection will be legally restored. In 1834 I

objected to the sub-treasury project, and I thought it not as safe

as the system now before us. But it turns out that it was more safe,

as appears from the argument of the senator from Delaware, (Mr.

Bayard.) I was then under the impression that the banks were more

safe but it proves otherwise."

Mr. CLAY. "If the senator would review his speech again, he would

see there a plain and explicit denunciation of a sub-treasury system.

"The distinguished senator from South Carolina (I had almost said

my friend from South Carolina, so lately and so abruptly has he

bursted all amicable relations between us, independent of his habit

of change, I think, when he finds into what federal doctrines and

federal company he has gotten, he will be disposed soon to feel

regret and to return to us,) has not, I am persuaded, weighed

sufficiently the import of the unkind imputations contained in his

Edgefield letter towards his former allies--imputations that their

principles are dangerous to our institutions, and of their want of

firmness and patriotism. I have read that singular letter again and

again, with inexpressible surprise and regret; more, however, if he

will allow me to say so, on his own than on our account.

"Mr. President, I am done; and I sincerely hope that the adjustment

of the account between the senator and myself, just made, may be as

satisfactory to him as I assure him and the Senate it is perfectly

so to me."

Mr. CALHOUN. "I have more to say, but will forbear, as the senator

appears desirous of having the last word."

Mr. CLAY. "Not at all."

* * * * *

The personal debate between Mr. Calhoun and Mr. Clay terminated

for the day, and with apparent good feeling; but only to break

out speedily on a new point, and to lead to further political

revelations important to history. Mr. Calhoun, after a long

alienation, personal as well as political, from Mr. Van Buren,

and bitter warfare upon him, had become reconciled to him in both

capacities, and had made a complimentary call upon him, and had

expressed to him an approbation of his leading measures. All this

was natural and proper after he had become a public supporter of

these measures; but a manifestation of respect and confidence so

decided, after a seven years' perseverance in a warfare so bitter,

could not be expected to pass without the imputation of sinister

motives; and, accordingly, a design upon the presidency as successor

to Mr. Van Buren was attributed to him. The opposition newspapers

abounded with this imputation; and an early occasion was taken in

the Senate to make it the subject of a public debate. Mr. Calhoun

had brought into the Senate a bill to cede to the several States the

public lands within their limits, after a sale of the saleable parts

at graduated prices, for the benefit of both parties--the new States

and the United States. It was the same bill which he had brought

in two years before; but Mr. Clay, taking it up as a new measure,

inquired if it was an administration measure? whether he had brought

it in with the concurrence of the President? If nothing more had

been said Mr. Calhoun could have answered, that it was the same bill

which he had brought in two years before, when he was in opposition

to the administration; and that his reasons for bringing it in were

the same now as then; but Mr. Clay went on to taunt him with his new

relations with the chief magistrate, and to connect the bill with

the visit to Mr. Van Buren and approval of his measures. Mr. Calhoun

saw that the inquiry was only a vehicle for the taunt, and took it

up accordingly in that sense: and this led to an exposition of the

reasons which induced him to join Mr. Van Buren, and to explanations

on other points, which belong to history. Mr. Clay began the debate

thus:

"Whilst up, Mr. Clay would be glad to learn whether the

administration is in favor of or against this measure, or stands

neutral and uncommitted. This inquiry he should not make, if the

recent relations between the senator who introduced this bill

and the head of that administration, continued to exist; but

rumors, of which the city, the circles, and the press are full,

assert that those relations are entirely changed, and have,

within a few days, been substituted by others of an intimate,

friendly, and confidential nature. And shortly after the time

when this new state of things is alleged to have taken place,

the senator gave notice of his intention to move to introduce

this bill. Whether this motion has or has not any connection

with that adjustment of former differences, the public would, he

had no doubt, be glad to know. At all events, it is important to

know in what relation of support, opposition, or neutrality, the

administration actually stands to this momentous measure; and he

[Mr. C.] supposed that the senator from South Carolina, or some

other senator, could communicate the desired information."

Mr. Calhoun, besides vindicating himself, rebuked the indecorum

of making his personal conduct a subject of public remark in the

Senate; and threw back the taunt by reminding Mr. Clay of his own

change in favor of Mr. Adams.

"He said the senator from Kentucky had introduced other, and

extraneous personal matter; and asked whether the bill had

the sanction of the Executive; assigning as a reason for his

inquiry, that, if rumor was to be credited, a change of personal

relation had taken place between the President and myself within

the last few days. He [Mr. C.] would appeal to the Senate

whether it was decorous or proper that his personal relations

should be drawn in question here. Whether he should establish

or suspend personal relations with the President, or any other

person, is a private and personal concern, which belongs to

himself individually to determine on the propriety, without

consulting any one, much less the senator. It was none of his

concern, and he has no right to question me in relation to it.

"But the senator assumes that a change in my personal relations

involves a change of political position; and it is on that he

founds his right to make the inquiry. He judges, doubtless, by

his own experience; but I would have him to understand, said

Mr. C., that what may be true in his own case on a memorable

occasion, is not true in mine. His political course may be

governed by personal considerations; but mine, I trust, is

governed strictly by my principles, and is not at all under the

control of my attachments or enmities. Whether the President is

personally my friend or enemy, has no influence over me in the

discharge of my duties, as, I trust, my course has abundantly

proved. Mr. C. concluded by saying, that he felt that these were

improper topics to introduce here, and that he had passed over

them as briefly as possible."

This retort gave new scope and animation to the debate, and led to

further expositions of the famous compromise of 1833, which was a

matter of concord between them at the time, and of discord ever

since; and which, being much condemned in the first volume of this

work, the authors of it are entitled to their own vindications when

they choose to make them: and this they found frequent occasion to

do. The debate proceeded:

"Mr. Clay contended that his question, as to whether this was

an administration measure or not, was a proper one, as it was

important for the public information. He again referred to

the rumors of Mr. Calhoun's new relations with the President,

and supposed from the declarations of the senator, that these

rumors were true; and that his support, if not pledged, was at

least promised conditionally to the administration. Was it of

no importance to the public to learn that these pledges and

compromises had been entered into?--that the distinguished

senator had made his bow in court, kissed the hand of the

monarch, was taken into favor, and agreed henceforth to support

his edicts?"

This allusion to rumored pledges and conditions on which Mr. Calhoun

had joined Mr. Van Buren, provoked a retaliatory notice of what

the same rumor had bruited at the time that Mr. Clay became the

supporter of Mr. Adams; and Mr. Calhoun said:

"The senator from Kentucky had spoken much of pledges,

understandings, and political compromises, and sudden change of

personal relations. He [said Mr. C.] is much more experienced

in such things than I am. If my memory serves me, and if

rumors are to be trusted, the senator had a great deal to do

with such things, in connection with a distinguished citizen;

now of the other House; and it is not at all surprising, from

his experience then, in his own case, that he should not be

indisposed to believe similar rumors of another now. But whether

his sudden change of personal relations then, from bitter enmity

to the most confidential friendship with that citizen, was

preceded by pledges, understandings, and political compromises

on the part of one or both, it is not for me to say. The country

has long since passed on that."

All this taunt on both sides was mere irritation, having no

foundation in fact. It so happened that the writer of this View,

on each of these occasions (of sudden conjunctions with former

adversaries), stood in a relation to know what took place. In one

case he was confidential with Mr. Clay; in the other with Mr. Van

Buren. In a former chapter he has given his testimony in favor of

Mr. Clay, and against the imputed bargain with Mr. Adams: he can

here give it in favor of Mr. Calhoun. He is entirely certain--as

much so as it is possible to be in supporting a negative--that no

promise, pledge, or condition of any kind, took place between Mr.

Calhoun and Mr. Van Buren, in coming together as they did at this

juncture. How far Mr. Calhoun might have looked to his own chance

of succeeding Mr. Van Buren, is another question, and a fair one.

The succession was certainly open in the democratic line. Those

who stood nearest the head of the party had no desire for the

presidency, but the contrary; and only wished a suitable chief

magistrate at the head of the government--giving him a cordial

support in all patriotic measures; and preserving their independence

by refusing his favors. This allusion refers especially to Mr. Silas

Wright; and if it had not been for a calamitous conflagration, there

might be proof that it would apply to another. Both Mr. Wright and

Mr. Benton refused cabinet appointments from Mr. Van Buren; and

repressed every movement in their favor towards the presidency.

Under such circumstances, Mr. Calhoun might have indulged in a

vision of the democratic succession, after the second term of Mr.

Van Buren, without the slippery and ignominious contrivance of

attempting to contract for it beforehand. There was certainly a talk

about it, and a sounding of public men. Two different friends of Mr.

Calhoun, at two different times and places,--one in Missouri (Thomas

Hudson, Esq.), and the other in Washington (Gov. William Smith,

of Virginia),--inquired of this writer whether he had said that

he could not support Mr. Calhoun for the presidency, if nominated

by a democratic convention? and were answered that he had, and

because Mr. Calhoun was the author of nullification, and of measures

tending to the dissolution of the Union. The answer went into the

newspapers, without the agency of him who gave it, and without the

reasons which he gave: and his opposition was set down to causes

equally gratuitous and unfounded--one, personal ill-will to Mr.

Calhoun; the other, a hankering after the place himself. But to

return to Messrs. Clay and Calhoun. These reciprocal taunts having

been indulged in, the debate took a more elevated turn, and entered

the region of history. Mr. Calhoun continued:

"I will assure the senator, if there were pledges in his case,

there were none in mine. I have terminated my long-suspended

personal intercourse with the President, without the slightest

pledge, understanding, or compromise, on either side. I would

be the last to receive or exact such. The transition from their

former to their present personal relation was easy and natural,

requiring nothing of the kind. It gives me pleasure to say,

thus openly, that I have approved of all the leading measures

of the President, since he took the Executive chair, simply

because they accord with the principles and policy on which I

have long acted, and often openly avowed. The change, then,

in our personal relations, had simply followed that of our

political. Nor was it made suddenly, as the senator charges. So

far from it, more than two years have elapsed since I gave a

decided support to the leading measure of the Executive, and on

which almost all others since have turned. This long interval

was permitted to pass, in order that his acts might give

assurance whether there was a coincidence between our political

views as to the principles on which the government should be

administered, before our personal relations should be changed.

I deemed it due to both thus long to delay the change, among

other reasons to discountenance such idle rumors as the senator

alludes to. That his political course might be judged (said Mr.

CALHOUN) by the object he had in view, and not the suspicion

and jealousy of his political opponents, he would repeat what

he had said, at the last session, was his object. It is, said

he, to obliterate all those measures which had originated in

the national consolidation school of politics, and especially

the senator's famous American system, which he believed to be

hostile to the constitution and the genius of our political

system, and the real source of all the disorders and dangers to

which the country was, or had been, subject. This done, he was

for giving the government a fresh departure, in the direction

in which Jefferson and his associates would give, were they now

alive and at the helm. He stood where he had always stood, on

the old State rights ground. His change of personal relation,

which gave so much concern to the senator, so far from involving

any change in his principles or doctrines, grew out of them."

The latter part of this reply of Mr. Calhoun is worthy of universal

acceptance, and perpetual remembrance. The real source of all the

disorders to which the country was, or had been subject, was in

the system of legislation which encouraged the industry of one

part of the Union at the expense of the other--which gave rise

to extravagant expenditures, to be expended unequally in the two

sections of the Union--and which left the Southern section to pay

the expenses of a system which exhausted her. This remarkable

declaration of Mr. Calhoun was made in 1839--being four years after

the slavery agitation had superseded the tariff agitation,--and

which went back to that system of measures, of which protective

tariff was the main-spring, to find, and truly find, the real source

of all the dangers and disorders of the country--past and present.

Mr. Clay replied:

"He had understood the senator as felicitating himself on

the opportunity which had been now afforded him by Mr. C. of

defining once more his political position; and Mr. C. must say

that he had now defined it very clearly, and had apparently

given it a new definition. The senator now declared that all

the leading measures of the present administration had met his

approbation, and should receive his support. It turned out,

then, that the rumor to which Mr. C. had alluded was true, and

that the senator from South Carolina might be hereafter regarded

as a supporter of this administration, since he had declared

that all its leading measures were approved by him, and should

have his support. As to the allusion which the senator from

South Carolina had made in regard to Mr. C.'s support of the

head of another administration [Mr. ADAMS], it occasioned Mr.

C. no pain whatever. It was an old story, which had long been

sunk in oblivion, except when the senator and a few others

thought proper to bring it up. But what were the facts of that

case? Mr. C. was then a member of the House of Representatives,

to whom three persons had been returned, from whom it was the

duty of the House to make a selection for the presidency. As

to one of those three candidates, he was known to be in an

unfortunate condition, in which no one sympathized with him

more than did Mr. C. Certainly the senator from South Carolina

did not. That gentleman was therefore out of the question as a

candidate for the chief magistracy; and Mr. C. had consequently

the only alternative of the illustrious individual at the

Hermitage, or of the man who was now distinguished in the House

of Representatives, and who had held so many public places with

honor to himself, and benefit to the country. And if there was

any truth in history, the choice which Mr. C. then made was

precisely the choice which the senator from South Carolina had

urged upon his friends. The senator himself had declared his

preference of Adams to Jackson. Mr. C. made the same choice;

and his constituents had approved it from that day to this, and

would to eternity. History would ratify and approve it. Let the

senator from South Carolina make any thing out of that part

of Mr. C.'s public career if he could. Mr. C. defied him. The

senator had alluded to Mr. C. as the advocate of compromise.

Certainly he was. This government itself, to a great extent,

was founded and rested on compromise; and to the particular

compromise to which allusion had been made, Mr. C. thought no

man ought to be more grateful for it than the senator from

South Carolina. But for that compromise, Mr. C. was not at all

confident that he would have now had the honor to meet that

senator face to face in this national capitol."

The allusion in the latter part of this reply was to the President's

declared determination to execute the laws upon Mr. Calhoun if an

_overt_ act of treason should be committed under the nullification

ordinance of South Carolina; and the preparations for which (overt

act) were too far advanced to admit of another step, either

backwards or forwards; and from which most critical condition the

compromise relieved those who were too deeply committed, to retreat

without ruin, or to advance without personal peril. Mr. Calhoun's

reply was chiefly directed to this pregnant allusion.

"The senator from Kentucky has said, Mr. President, that I, of

all men, ought to be grateful to him for the compromise act."

[Mr. CLAY. "I did not say 'to me.'"]

"The senator claims to be the author of that measure, and,

of course, if there be any gratitude due, it must be to him.

I, said Mr. Calhoun, made no allusion to that act; but as

the senator has thought proper to refer to it, and claim my

gratitude, I, in turn, now tell him I feel not the least

gratitude towards him for it. The measure was necessary to save

the senator politically: and as he has alluded to the subject,

both on this and on a former occasion, I feel bound to explain

what might otherwise have been left in oblivion. The senator was

then compelled to compromise to save himself. Events had placed

him flat on his back, and he had no way to recover himself but

by the compromise. This is no after thought. I wrote more than

half a dozen of letters home at the time to that effect. I shall

now explain. The proclamation and message of General Jackson

necessarily rallied around him all the steadfast friends of the

senator's system. They withdrew their allegiance at once from

him, and transferred it to General Jackson. The senator was

thus left in the most hopeless condition, with no more weight

with his former partisans than this sheet of paper (raising

a sheet from his desk). This is not all. The position which

General Jackson had assumed, necessarily attracted towards him

a distinguished senator from Massachusetts, not now here [Mr.

WEBSTER], who, it is clear, would have reaped all the political

honors and advantages of the system, had the contest come to

blows. These causes made the political condition of the senator

truly forlorn at the time. On him rested all the responsibility,

as the author of the system; while all the power and influence

it gave, had passed into the hands of others. Compromise was

the only means of extrication. He was thus forced by the action

of the State, which I in part represent, against his system, by

my counsel to compromise, in order to save himself. I had the

mastery over him on the occasion."

This is historical, and is an inside view of history. Mr. Webster,

in that great contest of nullification, was on the side of President

Jackson, and the supreme defender of his great measure--the

Proclamation of 1833; and the first and most powerful opponent of

the measure out of which it grew. It was a splendid era in his

life--both for his intellect, and his patriotism. No longer the

advocate of classes, or interests, he appeared the great defender

of the Union--of the constitution--of the country--and of the

administration, to which he was opposed. Released from the bonds

of party, and from the narrow confines of class and corporation

advocacy, his colossal intellect expanded to its full proportions

in the field of patriotism, luminous with the fires of genius;

and commanding the homage, not of party, but of country. His

magnificent harangues touched Jackson in his deepest-seated and

ruling feeling--love of country! and brought forth the response

which always came from him when the country was in peril, and

a defender presented himself. He threw out the right hand of

fellowship--treated Mr. Webster with marked distinction--commended

him with public praise--and placed him on the roll of patriots. And

the public mind took the belief, that they were to act together in

future; and that a cabinet appointment, or a high mission, would

be the reward of his patriotic service. (It was the report of such

expected preferment that excited Mr. Randolph (then in no condition

to bear excitement) against General Jackson.) It was a crisis in

the political life of Mr. Webster. He stood in public opposition to

Mr. Clay and Mr. Calhoun. With Mr. Clay he had a public outbreak

in the Senate. He was cordial with Jackson. The mass of his party

stood by him on the proclamation. He was at a point from which a new

departure might be taken:--one at which he could not stand still:

from which there must be advance, or recoil. It was a case in which

_will_, more than _intellect_, was to rule. He was above Mr. Clay

and Mr. Calhoun in intellect--below them in will. And he was soon

seen co-operating with them (Mr. Clay in the lead), in the great

measure condemning President Jackson. And so passed away the fruits

of the golden era of 1833. It was to the perils of this conjunction

(of Jackson and Webster) that Mr. Calhoun referred, as the forlorn

condition from which the compromise relieved Mr. Clay: and, allowing

to each the benefit of his assertion, history avails herself of

the declarations of each in giving an inside view of personal

motives for a momentous public act. And, without deciding a question

of mastery in the disputed victory, History performs her task in

recording the fact that, in a brief space, both Mr. Calhoun and Mr.

Webster were seen following the lead of Mr. Clay in his great attack

upon President Jackson in the session of 1834-'35.

"Mr. Clay, rejoining, said he had made no allusion to the

compromise bill till it was done by the senator from South

Carolina himself; he made no reference to the events of 1825

until the senator had himself set him the example; and he had

not in the slightest and the most distant manner alluded to

nullification until after the senator himself had called it

up. The senator ought not to have introduced that subject,

especially when he had gone over to the authors of the force

bill and the proclamation. The senator from South Carolina

said that he [Mr. C.] was flat on his back, and that he was my

master. Sir, I would not own him as my slave. He my master! and

I compelled by him! And, as if it were impossible to go far

enough in one paragraph, he refers to certain letters of his own

to prove that I was flat on my back! and, that I was not only on

my back, but another senator and the President had robbed me!

I was flat on my back, and unable to do any thing but what the

senator from South Carolina permitted me to do!

"Why, sir, [said Mr. C.] I gloried in my strength, and was

compelled to introduce the compromise bill; and compelled, too,

by the senator, not in consequence of the weakness, but of the

strength, of my position. If it was possible for the senator

from South Carolina to introduce one paragraph without showing

the egotism of his character, he would not now acknowledge that

he wrote letters home to show that he (Mr. C.) was flat on

his back, while he was indebted to him for that measure which

relieved him from the difficulties in which he was involved.

Now, what was the history of the case? Flat as he was on his

back, Mr. C. said he was able to produce that compromise, and

to carry it through the Senate, in opposition to the most

strenuous exertions of the gentleman who, the senator from

South Carolina said, had supplanted him, and in spite of his

determined and unceasing opposition. There was (said Mr. C.)

a sort of necessity operating on me to compel me to introduce

that measure. No necessity of a personal character influenced

him; but considerations involving the interests, the peace

and harmony of the whole country, as well as of the State of

South Carolina, directed him in the course he pursued. He saw

the condition of the senator from South Carolina and that of

his friends; he saw the condition to which he had reduced the

gallant little State of South Carolina by his unwise and

dangerous measures; he saw, too, that we were on the eve of a

civil war; and he wished to save the effusion of blood--the

blood of our own fellow-citizens. That was one reason why he

introduced the compromise bill. There was another reason that

powerfully operated on him. The very interest that the tariff

laws were enacted to protect--so great was the power of the then

chief magistrate, and so rapidly was that power increasing--was

in danger of being sacrificed. He saw that the protective system

was in danger of being swept away entirely, and probably at

the next session of Congress, by the tremendous power of the

individual who then filled the Executive chair; and he felt that

the greatest service that he could render it, would be to obtain

for it 'a lease for a term of years,' to use an expression that

had been heretofore applied to the compromise bill. He saw the

necessity that existed to save the protective system from the

danger which threatened it. He saw the necessity to advance

the great interests of the nation, to avert civil war, and to

restore peace and harmony to a distracted and divided country;

and it was therefore that he had brought forward this measure.

The senator from South Carolina, to betray still further and

more strikingly the characteristics which belonged to him, said,

that in consequence of his (Mr. C.'s) remarks this very day, all

obligations towards him on the part of himself (Mr. CALHOUN),

of the State of South Carolina, and the whole South, were

cancelled. And what right had the senator to get up and assume

to speak of the whole South, or even of South Carolina herself?

If he was not mistaken in his judgment of the political signs of

the times, and if the information which came to him was to be

relied on, a day would come, and that not very distant neither,

when the senator would not dare to rise in his place and presume

to speak as he had this day done, as the organ of the gallant

people of the State he represented."

The concluding remark of Mr. Clay was founded on the belief,

countenanced by many signs, that the State of South Carolina

would not go with Mr. Calhoun in support of Mr. Van Buren; but he

was mistaken. The State stood by her distinguished senator, and

even gave her presidential vote for Mr. Van Buren at the ensuing

election--being the first time she had voted in a presidential

election since 1829. Mr. Grundy, and some other senators, put an end

to this episodical and personal debate by turning the Senate to a

vote on the bill before it.

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