I observed that the band was about to play.

"Ha!" he exclaimed, stretching his legs with a yawn. "And the concert

will conclude with that amiable farce, 'O Canada,' followed by 'God

Save the King.'"

This Nationalist interview is given at some length because it

illustrates much of what Sir Lomer Gouin is not, and if he were would

not openly say so, because he stands for a majority the watchword of

which is "Stop, Look, Listen". I went at once to see the Premier. He

was closeted with confiding--perhaps confederate--priests, and with

simple habitant folk who stood, not in awe but in affection, of the

Premier. He might have been himself a father confessor.

Talking to him I found Gouin peculiarly on his guard; broad-faced,

heavy-jawed, slow of speech, almost devoid of gesticulation, he was as

unamiably dispassionate as a bank manager. There was no militant

passion of the minority in this man; no heroic tilting against

windmills; no expression of ideals; no suggestion of a delightful

outlaw. He was amazingly practical, with no inclination to discuss

freely the native peculiarities of either race. He understood

Ontario--as a politician only; England as a democracy and a form of

government. He had no absorbing idiosyncracies and made no attempt to

pose or even to be interesting. After the bounce of the young

Nationalist he was as tame as a grandfather's clock.

I felt that Sir Lomer was asking himself--what did the stranger want?

He would have been infinitely more at ease discussing with a bishop how

to prevent a strike in a cotton mill; or with a political outposter

what to do to keep some seat for the Administration. If I had made to

him such a statement as once I had made with such volcanic results to

Bourassa, that nine-tenths of the population in a village like Nicolet

could speak no Anglais, he would have been eloquent. Had I observed

that 70 per cent of the operatives in a great Quebec industry cannot

read and write French, that Ontario has a policy of good roads

comparable to that of Quebec, that Orangemen do not dominate Toronto,

that the Ontario farmer is a better producer than the habitant, or that

Protestant clerics do not interfere in politics, he would have bristled

with information to set me profoundly right. But he created no

atmosphere of free discussion with a stranger. He was coldly aloof,

yet earnestly endeavouring to say something worth while.

What I really wanted to tell Gouin was that he was personally very much

like the late great Tory, Sir James Whitney. But he did not warm up to

personal comment. The bilingual question was too complicated. The

atmosphere of the Bonne Entente was lacking. Gouin and myself were in

different envelopes. He was the Premier.

From what is said of him I am sure most of the fault was my own. I did

not understand him. He was too much the Premier; the master executive.

The Nationalist was almost right; Gouin suggested the dividend and the

census. He was the chief executive of a Province larger than almost

any country in Europe but Russia, and with a population about half that

of Roumania, of whom about one-sixth are the Anglo-Saxon minority. He

seemed to know Quebec from Montreal to the edge of Labrador almost by

telegraph poles. You recall that the French in Canada evolved the

modern census with its intimate penetration into the affairs of the

people, some time before the Germans did it. The Premier of Quebec was

a handbook encyclopaedia of Quebec. He knew the precise location by

the roads of almost any white village, pulp-mill, water-power, mine,

timber limit; knew as much as a man can about the number of horses and

cattle and cradles to a township; could talk with enthusiasm about the

pioneer arts of the habitant--the rugs, the baskets, the furniture, the

hand-made churns, the open-air bake-ovens. He could give the address

and the full name of many and many a priest.

But beyond this there is a Quebec which Sir Lomer Gouin did not know,

because he himself with his _bourgeois_ excellences and his great good

citizenship has not the Gallic sparkle in his mentality. He never

deeply knew the soul of Quebec. He was too much concerned with its

practical and useful politics to be conscious of its passions. From

the shrug of his shoulder, and a certain twinkle in his eye when he

mentioned diplomacy with clerics, one surmised that among the clergy he

was the master among politicians who must walk warily. But he was too

stout, too thrifty, too much of a high type of budgeteer to be

spiritually informed of the crude but basically beautiful passions that

undercurrent all peasant communities. There was no poetry in Gouin.

No fire. Little imagination.

"Those Nationalists?" he repeated shrewdly, slowly. "Yes, I know their

talk. Oh, they are not so dangerous, but a troublesome minority. I

think--I know Quebec better than they do. You have, I daresay,

Nationalists in Ontario?"

What he perhaps expected was some statement about Orangemen, who of

course are nearly all Imperialists. Yet these very Orangemen represent

an intense phase of Canadian life; the backwoods era, the simple

industries, the old villages, the quaint settlements of the U.E.

Loyalists as picturesque on the Upper, as the dormer-windowed villages

of the French are on the Lower St. Lawrence. To these men the Empire

is as visual, as to the intense Quebecker it is nebulous. And as the

politician in Ontario has to regard carefully the Orange vote, so the

Premier of Quebec had to be wary of the franchises of his emotional

friends, the Nationalists. He was somewhat afraid of the minority as

all masters of majorities are. Clearly--it was Gouin's main business

to continue being elected. Had he gone out on behalf of enlistments,

to educate his people, even to speak for France, he would have been in

danger of converting Gouin Liberals into Nationalists.

Ontario cannot fail to make an asset of Gouin's anti-Nationalism. He

was never for any of the violent doctrines propounded by my friend on

the Terrace. He would not oppose Quebec going to war. I am sure he

God-speeded the 22nd who died at Courcellette. He was the Premier of a

free Province. Those men had freely gone. Others--the majority--had

freely stayed. But an election was coming; where everybody would be

free to vote.

Then there were the clergy; most of them friends of Gouin. The

Cardinal at Quebec had been interviewed by Sir Sam Hughes on aid to

enlistments. Gouin could have told Hughes that he would fail; that

Begin, though not a Nationalist, was a reactionary. The bilingual

controversy was still acute. Gouin could not have gone out or sent

emissaries out, to reason with French-Canadians about marching with a

Province which had denied the French language rights in contrast to the

Government's own claim that it had given rights to the Anglo minority

in Quebec.

Conscription was coming. It was a precarious time. The master of

Quebec had to move cautiously. His loyalty to Britain was never

questioned. His faith in a United Canada was never doubted. Had

Quebec been all for Gouin instead of Gouin all for Quebec, the

Premier's way would have been easier. Better let well enough alone;

encourage those to enlist who really wanted to go--because Quebec was a

free country.

Then there was the Laurier influence. Had the old man gone in with the

Premier to help the Ottawa Government--

Impossible. Neither of them was asked before Coalition came on the

heels of conscription. And when conscription came, the minority of

Nationalists opposed to the war became the majority of Quebeckers who

preferred not to comply with the law. From disregarding the law to

rebellion, to Nationalism was not far. Gouin had the balance to hold.

The Cardinal's attitude on conscription made Gouin's position still

more difficult. His letter to the press bluntly put the Roman Catholic

Church above temporal law. One heard of no rebuke from the Premier of

Quebec to the Cardinal. A Cardinal may be above politics.

Sir Lomer was playing the game of safety, when from his own temperament

and position and unbacked by other leaders he could do little more. He

stood for the law and did not hinder its operation. But if there was a

chief executive in Canada who wished the war were righteously over, it

was Sir Lomer Gouin. No Premier had such a predicament; so much at the

end to lose; so much at first to have gained--if only he could have

foreseen, as nobody did, that conscription was coming and that law

would be more awkward than liberty.

The Premier of Quebec had experience in keeping his Government immune

from agitators. It was not alone the Nationalists who had made him

uneasy. On the other extreme there had been for some time one Godefroi

Langlois, former editor of _La Patrie_, and later founder and editor of

_Le Pays_, whose platform was compulsory State education away from

control of the clergy and in defiance of the Archbishops. Gouin did

not endorse Langlois. How could he? _Le Pays_, when it condemned

clerical schools, attacked the Administration. Politically Gouin was

right in opposing Langlois. Nationally he was playing provincial.

Langlois had a mission, in line with a broader, nationalized Canada;

the same mission which is now being reflected in the National Council

of Education.

So, between the reactionism of Bourassa and the radicalism of Langlois,

Gouin was the compromise; and Langlois was conveniently given an

official post in Europe.

Gouin has compromised his whole political career. With the leverage of

enormous success in elections and administration, he never had the

vision to declare himself in favour of a bigger Quebec than could be

got by extending its boundaries to Ungava.

He was too old to begin. Quebec to him was a vast prefecture to be

administered; not a vision to be realized. Ontario--except

politically--was almost as far away as British Columbia. He was seldom

in Toronto. Montreal was as a rule the last west for this voyageur.

He seldom or never went to the Maritimes. He knew the people down

there regarded the _bloc_ Quebec as a denationalizer. He had little or

no desire to see the prairies. He wanted Quebec to prosper. He

delighted to see pulp mills and cotton factories and power plants and

railways and trolleys vibrating along the St. Lawrence. He loved to

dream of the great unpeopled hinterland--all Quebec; of the other

hinterland--all the rest of Canada; of the transcontinentals converging

at Montreal; of the steamship lines terminating there; of a land where

there are few empty cradles or idle factories or wasting farms.

All these things Gouin, growing stout and somewhat heavy of face, loved

to behold; and out of that grew all the vision he seemed to have. In

this enormous prefecture within the Empire he beheld a far more

comfortable State than the Nationalist dream of a separative Quebec;

glad when he could find time to motor grandly and amiably out among the

villages and be greeted as _le grand seigneur_ of politics, even when

he lacked the grand manners of the eminent patrician.

At any conference of Premiers in Ottawa he held himself somewhat aloof,

studying the lot, respecting them all, cordial with all, anxious to do

all that constitutionally in him lay to further co-ordination. But

Gouin always sagaciously knew that there was no Premier in the pack who

already had so much, with so little to ask, from Federalism as he. His

was the pivotal province of Confederation, the grand compromise of Old

Macdonald with Cartier; the basic sixty-five members of Parliament,

unchangeable except by ripping up the B.N.A. Act, an instrument of

Empire. He could wink the other eye and reflect that from the

political concessions of the Act in official bilingualism and a fixed

representation, in the outlet of the St. Lawrence, in the possession of

the historic city, in the control of ocean navigation, in a solid

clergy, in fundamental virtues of thrift and an established

peasantry--he and his had more than any of the others could ever ask.

"Ah!" he said eloquently, with a fine twinkle of his eyes to the

interviewer at Quebec, "you have not seen our Province? Then you must

come down again, when I am not busy, and let me take you to see--all we

have down here!"

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