I now pass to the end of that paragraph:

“After midnight the excitement of the public had reached its

peak and a large crowd marched to the synagogues in Nuremberg

and Fürth and burned those two Jewish buildings where the murder

of Germans had been preached.”

This is now what you say—it is on Page 44 of the document book, My

Lord:

“From the cradle on, the Jew is not taught as we are: ‘Thou

shalt love thy neighbor as thyself’ or ‘If you are smitten on

the left cheek offer then your right one.’ No. He is told ‘With

the non-Jew you can do whatever you like.’ He is even taught

that the slaughtering of a non-Jew is an act pleasing to God.

For 20 years we have been writing about this in _Der Stürmer_.

For 20 years we have been preaching it throughout the world, and

we have made millions recognize the truth.”

Does that sound as though you had disapproved of the demonstrations that

had taken place the night before?

STREICHER: First of all I must state that the report, part of which you

read, appeared in a daily paper. Thus I am not to be held responsible

for this. If someone wrote that part of the populace rose up against the

gang of murderers then that is in keeping with the order from the

Ministry of Propaganda in Berlin; outwardly that action was described as

a spontaneous demonstration of the populace...

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: That does not answer my question. Does that

passage that I have read sound as though you had disapproved of the

demonstrations that had taken place the night before? Does it or does it

not?

STREICHER: I was against that demonstration.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Just let me read on:

“But we know that we have in our midst people who take pity on

the Jews, people who are not worthy of living in this town, who

are not worthy of belonging to this people, of whom you are a

proud part.”

Why should it have been necessary for people to have had pity on the

Jews, if you were not—you and the Nazi Party—persecuting them?

STREICHER: I have already pointed out today that I was forced, after

this demonstration had taken place, to make a public comment and say

that one should not have so much pity. I wanted to prove thereby that

this was not a spontaneous action by the people; in other words, the

matter does not speak against me; it speaks for me. The people, as I

myself, were opposed to the demonstration and I found that I had cause

to—should I say—get public opinion to the point where one might

possibly not regard that action as something too severe.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: But, why, if you were opposed to it and if the

people were opposed to it, should it have been your duty to try and

convert them so that they should be in favor of that kind of thing? Why

were you opposed to it and why should you try to turn them against the

Jew?

STREICHER: I do not understand what you mean.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: I understand you to say that you were opposed

to these demonstrations and that the people also were opposed to the

demonstrations; that, therefore, it was your duty to try to stir them up

and make them in favor of the demonstrations after they had happened.

Why should it have been your duty to do that?

STREICHER: Today one can perhaps say that this or that was my duty, but

one must consider what those times were—the confusion that

existed—that to make a quick decision, as one might have to in this

courtroom, was quite impossible. What happened has happened. I was

against it and the public too. What was written about it otherwise was

done so for tactical reasons.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Very well. Were you in favor of the

Aryanization of Jewish houses and businesses? Were you in favor of that

or did you disapprove of that issue?

STREICHER: I have answered that question today in great detail, in

connection with a statement of Party comrade Holz. I have stated and I

repeat that my deputy came to me...

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Just stop for a moment, I don’t want a speech.

I asked you a question which you could answer “yes” or “no.” Did you

approve or disapprove of the system of Aryanization of Jewish businesses

and houses?

STREICHER: One cannot answer that quickly with “yes” or “no.” I have

made it clear today, and you must allow me to explain it so that there

is not any misunderstanding. My Party comrade...

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: I am not going to allow you to repeat it. I

will go on if you are not prepared to answer that question. The Tribunal

have heard it and I pass on.

STREICHER: I certainly want to answer it. After my Party comrades...

THE PRESIDENT: Defendant...

STREICHER: After the Party comrades came...

THE PRESIDENT: You have refused to answer the question properly, a

question to which you can give either an affirmative or a negative

answer. Did you approve or did you not approve? You can give an answer

to that and then you can give any explanation afterwards.

STREICHER: I personally was not for Aryanization. When Holz repeated

that, giving as a reason that the houses had been pretty badly damaged,

_et cetera_, that we might get material for a Gau (district) building, I

said “All right, if you can do it, go ahead.” I already stated today

that this was carelessness on my part.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: There were in fact a very great number of

Jewish businesses and houses Aryanized in Nuremberg and Franconia, were

there not?

STREICHER: Yes.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Would you just look at a new exhibit, Document

Number D-835, which becomes Exhibit GB-330. That is a list—it is an

original document—it is a list of Jewish property in Nuremberg and

Fürth which was Aryanized. Have you seen that list or anything like it

before?

STREICHER: No.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Well, you can take it from me, that that list

contains the addresses of some 800 properties in Nuremberg and Fürth

which have been taken from the Jews and handed over to Aryans. Would you

agree that that would be at least 800 houses in your city here that were

Aryanized?

STREICHER: I do not know about it in detail; but I must establish

something: I do not know—is that the official document? I have already

stated today that my Party comrade Holz started Aryanizing. That was

rescinded by Berlin. Then came the Aryanization carried out by the

State. I could not have had any influence here, either, so that this was

none of my business. This Aryanization, the expropriation of Jewish

property, was ordered by Berlin.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Now, you mentioned this morning that you were a

subscriber to a weekly newspaper called the _Israelitisches

Wochenblatt_; is that correct?

STREICHER: Yes.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: When did you start subscribing to that

newspaper?

STREICHER: What did you say?

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: At what date did you start subscribing to that

newspaper?

STREICHER: I do not know.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Well, I have no doubt you can tell the Tribunal

approximately. Have you always, since 1933, been a subscriber of that

newspaper?

STREICHER: Well, I do not think I could have read every issue, since I

traveled a great deal.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: You were, as I think it is stated in this

application of your wife to give evidence, a regular reader of it, were

you not?

STREICHER: My friends, the editors, and I used to share in the reading

of this paper.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: May I take it that between yourself and your

editors—I don’t say every copy was read—but it was regularly read from

1933 onwards; is that fair?

STREICHER: You cannot say “read regularly.”

LT. COL, GRIFFITH-JONES: A large number of the copies that you

subscribed for, which came weekly to you, were they read by yourself or

by your editors?

STREICHER: Certainly.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Now, I want to turn to something else for a

moment. I want to make myself perfectly clear to you.

DR. MARX: Mr. President, I should like to draw the attention of the

Tribunal to the fact that the document which has just been presented,

“Confiscated Property and Real Estate,” has the heading “Aryanization

Department for Real Estate, Nuremberg.” That cannot mean anything except

that this document comes from the official department which was later

set up for the confiscation of such real estate. But by no means can

this be a document to prove that we are concerned here with the real

estate Aryanized by Holz, subsequent to 9 November.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: I accept that that may be so.

DR. MARX: I should like to ask, therefore, that the appropriate

correction be made.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: If I was mistaken in saying that those

properties had been Aryanized, I would be right then, would I not, in

saying that that list of properties was prepared by the Aryanization

Department in Nuremberg for the purpose of Aryanizing them in the

future? Would that be a fair statement to make?

STREICHER: No.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: I won’t pursue that matter any further.

I want to make myself quite clear to you in what I am suggesting. I am

suggesting that from 1939 onwards you set out to incite the German

people to murder and to accept the fact of the murder of the Jewish

race. Do you understand that?

STREICHER: That is not true.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: No doubt you will say it isn’t true. I just

wanted you to be quite clear on what my suggestion is going to be.

I want you to look now at a bundle, which will be given to you, of

extracts from _Der Stürmer_. You can see the originals which are in

Court if you desire to do so, but it will save time if we use the

document books there.

Now, will you look at Page 3-A. For convenience, the pages in this

bundle are all marked “A” to distinguish them from the numbers in the

original document book.

THE PRESIDENT: Are they all in evidence?

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: None of them are in evidence at the moment.

Perhaps the most convenient way would be for me to put the actual

documents in evidence together at the end, unless the Tribunal or the

defendant desire to see any copies of them. I will give them numbers as

I go along.

Will you look at Page 3-A of that bundle, Document Number D-809, which

becomes Exhibit Number GB-331:

“The Jewish problem is not yet solved, nor will it be solved

when one day the last Jew will have left Germany. Only when

world Jewry has been annihilated, will it have been solved.”

Is that what you were working for when you say you were working for the

international solution to this problem, an annihilation of world Jewry?

STREICHER: If that is how you understand “annihilation.” That was

written by my chief editor at the time. He says that the Jewish problem

will not yet be solved when the last Jew will have left Germany. And

when he suddenly says that only when world Jewry has been annihilated

will it be solved, then he certainly may have meant that the power of

world Jewry should be annihilated. But my Party comrade Holz did not

think of mass killing or the possibility of mass killing.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: The German word used there is “vernichtet,” is

it not? Look at your copy. “Vernichtet” that means “to annihilate.”

STREICHER: Today, when you look back, you could interpret it like that,

but not at that time.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Very well, we won’t waste time because we have

quite a number to look through. Will you look on to the next page. That

was in January you were writing that. In April 1939, Document D-810,

Exhibit GB-332, I refer only to the last two lines. This is an article

again by your editor: “Then perhaps their graves will proclaim that this

murderous and criminal people has, after all, met its deserved fate.”

What do you mean by “graves” there? Do you mean excluding them from the

business of the world?

STREICHER: This is the first time that I have seen this article. That is

the statement of opinion of a man who was probably looking ahead and

making a play on words; but as far as I knew him, and as far as we

discussed the Jewish problem, there was no question of mass

extermination; we did not even think of it. Maybe it was his wish—I do

not know—but anyway, that is the way it happened to be written.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Very well. Just turn over, will you now, to May

1939, Document Number D-811, Exhibit Number GB-333. I quote the last six

lines: “There must be a punitive expedition against the Jews in Russia.”

This, of course, was before the Russian invasion.

“There must be a punitive expedition against the Jews in Russia,

a punitive expedition which will provide the same fate for them

that every murderer and criminal must expect, death sentence and

execution. The Jews in Russia must be killed. They must be

utterly exterminated. Then the world will see that the end of

the Jews is also the end of Bolshevism.”

STREICHER: Who wrote that article?

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: It is published in your _Stürmer_. We can find

out, if necessary. It is not written by you, but it is published in your

_Der Stürmer_; and you have told the Tribunal that you accept

responsibility for everything that was written in that newspaper.

STREICHER: All right, I assume responsibility; but I want to state that,

here too, this is the private opinion of a man who in May 1939 could not

have thought that _ex nihilo_—for we had no soldiers—a “March to

Russia” could be started. This is a theoretic and very strongly-worded

expression of opinion of that anti-Semitic person.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: All I ask you about that is: Is that not

advocating the murder of Jews, that article; if it is not, what is it

advocating?

STREICHER: The whole article would have to be read so that I could tell

what motives existed for writing something like that. I therefore ask

you to make public the whole article. Then one can form a proper

judgment.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Well, we’ll go on. We won’t waste time unless

you really want to see the whole article.

My Lord, if I perhaps might be allowed to put these documents in

evidence. As Your Lordship will see, this bundle is a bundle of extracts

from _Der Stürmer_.

DR. MARX: Mr. President, with the permission of the Tribunal, I would

like to make the following statements: A number of extracts from _Der

Stürmer_ have been mentioned here which have been put before me for the

first time. Some of them are articles which have not been written by the

defendant personally. Some are signed by Hiemer, and some by Holz, who

was particularly radical in his manner of writing, and passages are

being quoted which are perhaps taken out of context.

I must ask, therefore, that I be afforded the opportunity of going over

these extracts together with the Defendant Streicher. Otherwise, he

might come to the conclusion that his defense is being made too

difficult for him and that it is being made impossible for him to

prepare himself appropriately.

THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Marx, you will have an opportunity of checking up on

these various extracts, and then you will be able to introduce, if

necessary, any passages which explain the extracts. That is a matter

which has been explained to defendants’ counsel over and over again.

Colonel Griffith-Jones, are there not certain of these extracts which

are written or signed by the defendant?

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Well, with Your Lordship’s permission I will

refer to some of them, but so that I should not have to refer to all of

them, I was going to suggest that perhaps I might put them in and, if it

is necessary, let the Tribunal know afterwards the numbers of them to

save time.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, certainly.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: I put the whole bundle in evidence and will not

refer to all of them.

THE PRESIDENT: Then you can give us the exhibit numbers later.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: If that is suitable to the convenience of the

Court.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Well now, the Tribunal will see by looking at

this bundle, from the first page—which I think is 3-A—to Page 25-A,

that there are various extracts which have been written either by

yourself or by members of your staff between January 1939 and January

1941.

Do I understand you to say now, to have said in your evidence, that you

never knew that Jews were being exterminated in thousands and millions

in the Eastern territories? Did you never know that?

STREICHER: No.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: As I understood your evidence about the

_Israelitisches Wochenblatt_ this morning you said this, as I have

written it down:

“Sometimes that journal contained hints that everything was not

in order. Later in 1943 an article appeared stating that masses

of Jews were disappearing but the article did not quote any

figures and did not mention anything about murders.”

Are you really saying that those copies of the _Israelitisches

Wochenblatt_, which you and your editors were reading, contained nothing

except for a hint of disappearance with no mention of figures or murder?

Is that what you are telling this Tribunal?

STREICHER: Yes, I stick to that, certainly.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Now, I want you, if you will, to take this

bundle and keep it in front of you. It is a bundle of extracts from the

_Israelitisches Wochenblatt_ from July 1941 until the end of the war.

The Tribunal will be able to see what a fanatic for the truth really

tells.

[_The document was submitted to the defendant._]

My Lord, this bundle, for convenience again, is marked “B.”

[_Turning to the defendant._] Will you look at the first page? That is

an article on the 11th of July 1941. “Some 40,000 Jews died in Poland

during the last years. The hospitals are overfull.”

Now, you need not turn over for the moment, Defendant. We will turn the

pages soon enough.

Did you happen to read that sentence in the issue of the 11th of July

1941?

STREICHER: No.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Will you look at Page 3, 3-B? In November 1941:

“Very bad news comes from the Ukraine. Thousands of Jewish dead are

being mourned, among whom are many of the Galician Jews who were

expelled from Hungary.”

Did you read that?

STREICHER: That might be possible. It says “thousands,” thousands are

being mourned. That is no proof that millions were killed. There are no

details as to how they came to their end.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: If that is the explanation you want us to

accept we will leave it.

Just go on again to the next page, will you? The 12th of December 1941,

a month later:

“According to news which has arrived from several sources,

thousands of Jews—one even speaks of many thousands—are said

to have been executed in Odessa”—and so on.—“Similar reports

reach us from Kiev and other Russian cities.”

Did you read that?

STREICHER: I do not know; and if I had read it then it would not change

a thing. That is no proof.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: But you have told the Tribunal, you know, that

there was nothing except hints of disappearance. Doesn’t it show that

you were not telling the truth when you read these extracts?

STREICHER: In that case may I say the following? When the war started we

no longer received the _Israelitisches Wochenblatt_. During the later

years one could only get the _Israelitisches Wochenblatt_ through the

Police. We got that paper, toward the end, into Germany by smuggling. On

one occasion we asked the Police to provide us with foreign newspapers

and this weekly, and we were told that it was not possible. But we

nevertheless got it. What I mean to say by this is that I did not read

every one of those issues. The issues which I did read were confiscated

on my farm. Whatever is underlined has been read by me or it was read by

my editor in chief. I cannot, therefore, guarantee that I read every

article.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: No, I appreciate that and that is why we have

quite a number of them. You see, we have an extract for practically

every week or month over the course of 3 years.

I would just like you to turn to Page 30-A of the “A” bundle. I just

want you to see what you were writing after having heard, or after

having read, or anyway after those copies of the _Israelitisches

Wochenblatt_ had been published. This is a leading article by yourself.

“If the danger of the reproduction of that curse of God in the

Jewish blood is finally to come to an end, then there is only

one way open—the extermination of that people whose father is

the devil.”

And is the word that you use for extermination there “Ausrottung,”

rooting out, extirpation?

STREICHER: First of all, I would like to ask whether this issue is known

to my defense counsel, and if the translation is correct?

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: It does not matter. He has copies of all this

and he will be able to protect your interests. We are now just testing

the truth of the evidence that you have given.

Can you tell me, is that “extermination”? Does that mean murder of Jews?

What else can it mean?

STREICHER: It depends on the whole context. In that case I want you to

read the whole article.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Well, if there is anything in the rest of the

article which can be helpful to you, your counsel will have an

opportunity to see the article and be able to put it before the

Tribunal. I can assure you that the remainder of your articles, as a

general rule, do not assist your case.

STREICHER: When that article appeared, mass killing had already taken

place a long time ago.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Very well. Well now, we will not go through

this at any length.

If you will look at your “B” bundle, your bundle of extracts from the

_Israelitisches Wochenblatt_...

THE PRESIDENT: I think you should draw his attention to the date on Page

30-A.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: I am very much obliged to Your Lordship.

[_Turning to the defendant._] The 25th of December 1941.

If you will glance at “B” bundle you will see a number of extracts going

from Page A to Page 21. Now, I would like you to glance at Page 24 of

that “B” bundle.

STREICHER: Page 24?

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Yes, Page 24. This is an article which appeared

in the _Israelitisches Wochenblatt_ on the 27th of November 1942. I just

wondered whether you read this:

“At the Zionist Congress of Switzerland the representative of

the ‘Jewish Agency’ in Geneva... gave a report on European

Jewry.... The number of victims goes into millions. If the

present conditions continue and the German program is carried

out, it is to be reckoned that, instead of 6 or 7 million Jews

in Europe only 2 million will still be left.”

Then there are the three last lines of the extract:

“The Jews who were there had mostly been deported to the

notorious unknown destination further to the East. At the end of

this winter the number of victims will be 4 million.”

Is that what you call a hint of disappearance of Jews from the East?

STREICHER: I cannot recollect that I have ever read that but I do want

to say that if I had read it I would not have believed it.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Well now, let us just turn to the “A” bundle

again and look at the article that you wrote on the 17th of December

1942. It is Page 34-A. This is an article which is initialed “STR” so I

presume it was written by you.

“The London newspaper, _The Times_, of the 16th of September 1942

published a...”

STREICHER: I have not got it yet.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Page 34-A.

STREICHER: Just a minute.

LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: Find it for him. It is headed: “Eye for Eye,

Tooth for Tooth.”

“The London newspaper, _The Times_, of 16 September 1942

published a resolution which had been unanimously passed by the

Board of Deputies of British Jews. This resolution expresses the

grief and horror of the Anglo-Jewish Community at the

unspeakable atrocities committed by Germany and her allies and

vassals against the Jews of Europe which had only one aim, to

exterminate the whole Jewish population of Europe in cold

blood.”

Now, you must have read of that in _The Times_ because you say so.

STREICHER: Yes.

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