I believe in Man, Woman and Child--the Blessed Trinity of Life and Joy.

I have said, and still say, that you have no right to endeavor by force

to compel another to think your way--that man has no right to compel his

fellow-man to adopt his creed, by torture or social ostracism. I have

said, and still say, that even an infinite God has and can have no right

to compel by force or threats even the meanest of mankind to accept

a dogma abhorrent to his mind. As a matter of fact such a power is

incapable of being exercised. You may compel a man to say that he has

changed his mind. You may force him to say that he agrees with you. In

this way, however, you make hypocrites, not converts. Is it possible

that a god wishes the worship of a slave? Does a god desire the homage

of a coward? Does he really long for the adoration of a hypocrite? Is

it possible that he requires the worship of one who dare not think? If I

were a god it seems to me that I had rather have the esteem and love of

one grand, brave man, with plenty of heart and plenty of brain, than

the blind worship, the ignorant adoration, the trembling homage of a

universe of men afraid to reason. And yet I am warned by the orthodox

guardians of this great city not to think. I am told that I am in danger

of hell; that for me to express my honest convictions is to excite the

wrath of God. They inform me that unless I believe in a certain way,

meaning their way, I am in danger of everlasting fire.

There was a time when these threats whitened the faces of men with fear.

That time has substantially passed away. For a hundred years hell has

been gradually growing cool, the flames have been slowly dying out, the

brimstone is nearly exhausted, the fires have been burning lower and

lower, and the climate gradually changing. To such an extent has the

change already been effected that if I were going there to-night I would

take an overcoat and a box of matches.

They say that the eternal future of man depends upon his belief. I deny

it. A conclusion honestly arrived at by the brain cannot possibly be

a crime; and the man who says it is, does not think so. The god who

punishes it as a crime is simply an infamous tyrant. As for me, I would

a thousand times rather go to perdition and suffer its torments with

the brave, grand thinkers of the world, than go to heaven and keep the

company of a god who would damn his children for an honest belief.

The next thing I have said is, that woman is the equal of man; that she

has every right that man has, and one more--the right to be protected,

because she is the weaker. I have said that marriage should be an

absolutely perfect partnership of body and soul; that a man should treat

his wife like a splendid flower, and that she should fill his life with

perfume and with joy. I have said that a husband had no right to be

morose; that he had no right to assassinate the sunshine and murder the

joy of life.

I have said that when he went home he should go like a ray of light, and

fill his house so full of joy that it would burst out of the doors and

windows and illumine even the darkness of night. I said that marriage

was the holiest, highest, the most sacred institution among men; that

it took millions of years for woman to advance from the condition of

absolute servitude, from the absolute slavery where the Bible found her

and left her, up to the position she occupies at present. I have pleaded

for the rights of woman, for the rights of wives, and what is more, for

the rights of little children. I have said that they could be governed

by affection, by love, and that my heart went out to all the children

of poverty and of crime; to the children that live in the narrow streets

and in the sub-cellars; to the children that run and hide when they hear

the footsteps of a brutal father, the children that grow pale when

they hear their names pronounced even by a mother; to all the little

children, the flotsam and jetsam upon the wide, rude sea of life. I have

said that my heart goes out to them one and all; I have asked fathers

and mothers to cease beating their own flesh and blood. I have said to

them, When your child does wrong, put your arms around him; let him feel

your heart beat against his. It is easier to control your child with a

kiss than with a club.

For expressing these sentiments, I have been denounced by the religious

press and by ministers in their pulpits as a demon, as an enemy of

order, as a fiend, as an infamous man. Of this, however, I make no

complaint. A few years ago they would have burned me at the stake and I

should have been compelled to look upon their hypocritical faces through

flame and smoke. They cannot do it now or they would. One hundred years

ago I would have been burned, simply for pleading for the rights of men.

Fifty years ago I would have been imprisoned. Fifty years ago my wife

and my children would have been torn from my arms in the name of the

most merciful God. Twenty-five years ago I could not have made a living

in the United States at the practice of law; but I can now. I would not

then have been allowed to express my thought; but I can now, and I will.

And when I think about the liberty I now enjoy, the whole horizon is

illuminated with glory and the air is filled with wings.

I then delivered another lecture entitled "Ghosts," in which I sought to

show that man had been controlled by phantoms of his own imagination;

in which I sought to show these imps of darkness, these devils, had all

been produced by superstition; in which I endeavored to prove that man

had groveled in the dust before monsters of his own creation; in which I

endeavored to demonstrate that the many had delved in the soil that the

few might live in idleness, that the many had lived in caves and dens

that the few might dwell in palaces of gold; in which I endeavored to

show that man had received nothing from these ghosts except hatred,

except ignorance, except unhappiness, and that in the name of phantoms

man had covered the face of the world with tears. And for this, I have

been assailed, in the name, I presume, of universal forgiveness. So far

as any argument I have produced is concerned, it cannot in any way make

the slightest difference whether I am a good or a bad man. It cannot in

any way make the slightest difference whether my personal character is

good or bad. That is not the question, though, so far as I am concerned,

I am willing to stake the whole question upon that issue. That is not,

however, the thing to be discussed, nor the thing to be decided. The

question is, whether what I said is true.

I did say that from ghosts we had obtained certain things--among other

things a book known as the Bible. From the ghosts we received that

book; and the believers in ghosts pretend that upon that book rests the

doctrine of the immortality of the human soul. This I deny.

Whether or not the soul is immortal is a fact in nature and cannot be

changed by any book whatever. If I am immortal, I am. If am not, no book

can render me so. It is no mure wonderful that I should live again than

that I do live.

The doctrine of immortality is not based upon any book. The foundation

of that idea is not a creed. The idea of immortality, which, like a

sea, has ebbed and flowed in the human heart, beating with its countless

waves of hope and fear against the shores and rocks of fate and time,

was not born of any book, was not born of a creed. It is not the child

of any religion. It was born of human affection; and it will continue to

ebb and flow beneath the mists and clouds of doubt and darkness as long

as love kisses the lips of death. It is the eternal bow--Hope shining

upon the tears of Grief.

I did say that these ghosts taught that human slavery was right. If

there is a crime beneath the shining stars it is the crime of enslaving

a human being. Slavery enslaves not only the slave, but the master as

well. When you put a chain upon the limbs of another, you put a fetter

also upon your own brain. I had rather be a slave than a slaveholder.

The slave can at least be just--the slaveholder cannot. I had rather be

robbed than be a robber. I had rather be stolen from than to be a

thief. I have said, and I do say, that the Bible upheld, sustained and

sanctioned the institution of human slavery; and before I get through I

will prove it.

I said that to the same book we are indebted, to a great degree, for the

doctrine of witchcraft. Relying upon its supposed sacred texts, people

were hanged and their bodies burned for getting up storms at sea with

the intent of drowning royal vermin. Every possible offence was punished

under the name of witchcraft, from souring beer to high treason.

I also said, and I still say, that the book we obtained from the ghosts,

for the guidance of man, upheld the infamy of infamies, called polygamy;

and I will also prove that. And the same book teaches, not political

liberty, but political tyranny.

I also said that the author of the book given us by the ghosts knew

nothing about astronomy, still less about geology, still less, if

possible, about medicine, and still less about legislation.

This is what I have said concerning the aristocracy of the air. I am

well aware that having said it I ought to be able to prove the truth

of my words. I have said these things. No one ever said them in better

nature than I have. I have not the slightest malice--a victor never

felt malice. As soon as I had said these things, various gentlemen felt

called upon to answer me. I want to say that if there is anything I like

in the world it is fairness. And one reason I like it so well is that

I have had so little of it. I can say, if I wish, extremely mean

and hateful things. I have read a great many religious papers and

discussions and think that I now know all the infamous words in our

language. I know how to account for every noble action by a mean and

wretched motive, and that, in my judgment, embraces nearly the entire

science of modern theology. The moment I delivered a lecture upon "The

Liberty of Man, Woman and Child," I was charged with having said that

there is nothing back of nature, and that nature with its infinite arms

embraces everything; and thereupon I was informed that I believed in

nothing but matter and force, that I believed only in earth, that I did

not believe in spirit. If by spirit you mean that which thinks, then I

am a believer in spirit. If you mean by spirit the something that says

"I," the something that reasons, hopes, loves and aspires, then I am a

believer in spirit. Whatever spirit there is in the universe must be a

natural thing, and not superimposed upon nature. All that I can say

is, that whatever is, is natural. And there is as much goodness, in my

judgment, as much spirit in this world as in any other; and you are just

as near the heart of the universe here as you can be anywhere. One of

your clergymen says in answer, as he supposes, to me, that there is

matter and force and spirit. Well, can matter exist without force? What

would keep it together? What would keep the finest possible conceivable

atom together unless there was force? Can you imagine such a thing as

matter without force? Can you conceive of force without matter? Can you

conceive of force floating about attached to nothing? Can you possibly

conceive of this? No human being can conceive of force without matter.

"You cannot conceive of force being harnessed or hitched to matter as

you would hitch horses to a carriage." You cannot. Now, what is spirit?

They say spirit is the first thing that was. It seems to me, however, as

though spirit was the blossom, the fruit of all, not the commencement.

They say it was first. Very well. Spirit without force, a spirit without

any matter--what would that spirit do? No force, no matter!--a spirit

living in an infinite vacuum. What would such a spirit turn its

particular attention to? This spirit, according to these theologians,

created the world, the universe; and if it did, there must have been a

time when it commenced to create; and back of that there must have

been an eternity spent in absolute idleness. Now, is it possible that

a spirit existed during an eternity without any force and without any

matter? Is it possible that force could exist without matter or spirit?

Is it possible that matter could exist alone, if by matter you mean

something without force? The only answer I can give to all these

questions is, I do not know. For my part, I do not know what spirit is,

if there is any. I do not know what matter is, neither am I acquainted

with the elements of force. If you mean by matter that which I can

touch, that which occupies space, then I believe in matter. If you mean

by force anything that can overcome weight, that can overcome what

we call gravity or inertia; if you mean by force that which moves the

molecules of matter, or the movement itself, then I believe in force.

If you mean by spirit that which thinks and loves, then I believe in

spirit. There is, however, no propriety in wasting any time about the

science of metaphysics. I will give you my definition of metaphysics:

Two fools get together; each admits what neither can prove, and

thereupon both of them say, "hence we infer." That is all there is of

metaphysics.

These gentlemen, however, say to me that all my doctrine about the

treatment of wives and children, all my ideas of the rights of man, all

these are wrong, because I am not exactly correct as to my notion 01

spirit. They say that spirit existed first, at least an eternity before

there was any force or any matter. Exactly how spirit could act without

force we do not understand. That we must take upon credit. How spirit

could create matter without force is a serious question, and we are

too reverent to press such an inquiry. We are bound to be satisfied,

however, that spirit is entirely independent of force and matter, and

any man who denies this must be "a malevolent and infamous wretch."

Another reverend gentleman proceeds to denounce all I have said as the

doctrine of negation. And we are informed by him--speaking I presume

from experience--that negation is a poor thing to die by. He tells us

that the last hours are the grand testing hours. They are the hours when

atheists disown their principles and infidels bewail their folly--"that

Voltaire and Thomas Paine wrote sharply against Christianity, but their

death-bed scenes are too harrowing for recital"--He also states that

"another French infidel philosopher tried in vain to fortify Voltaire,

but that a stronger man than Voltaire had taken possession of him,

and he cried 'Retire! it is you that have brought me to my present

state--Begone! what a rich glory you have brought me.'" This, my

friends, is the same old, old falsehood that has been repeated again and

again by the lips of hatred and hypocrisy. There is not in one of these

stories a solitary word of truth; and every intelligent man knows all

these death-bed accounts to be entirely and utterly false. They

are taken, however, by the mass of the church as evidence that all

opposition to Christianity, so-called, fills the bed of the dying

infidel and scoffer with serpents and scorpions. So far as my experience

goes, the bad die in many instances as placidly as the good. I have

sometimes thought that a hardened wretch, upon whose memory is engraved

the record of nearly every possible crime, dies without a shudder,

without a tremor, while some grand, good man, remembering during his

last moments an unkind word spoken to a stranger, it may be in the

heat of anger, dies with remorseful words upon his lips. Nearly every

murderer who is hanged, dies with an immensity of nerve, but I never

thought it proved that he had lived a good and useful life. Neither have

I imagined that it sanctified the crime for which he suffered death.

The fact is, that when man approaches natural death, his powers, his

intellectual faculties fail and grow dim. He becomes a child. He has

less and less sense. And just in proportion as he loses his reasoning

powers, he goes back to the superstitions of his childhood. The scenes

of youth cluster about him and he is again in the lap of his mother.

Of this very fact, there is not a more beautiful description than that

given by Shakespeare when he takes that old mass of wit and filth, Jack

Falstaff, in his arms, and Mrs Quickly says: "A' made a finer end, and

went away, an it had been my christom child; a' parted ev'n just between

twelve and one, ev'n at the turning o' the tide; for after I saw him

fumble with the sheets, and play with flowers, and smile upon his

fingers' end, I knew there was but one way; for his nose was as sharp

as a pen, and a' babbled of green fields." As the genius of Shakespeare

makes Falstaff a child again upon sunny slopes, decked with daisies, so

death takes the dying back to the scenes of their childhood, and they

are clasped once more to the breasts of mothers. They go back, for the

reason that nearly every superstition in the world has been sanctified

by some sweet and placid mother. Remember, the superstition has never

sanctified the mother, but the mother has sanctified the superstition.

The young Mohammedan, who now lies dying upon some field of battle,

thinks sweet and tender thoughts of home and mother, and will, as the

blood oozes from his veins, repeat some holy verse from the blessed

Koran. Every superstition in the world that is now held sacred has been

made so by mothers, by fathers, by the recollections of home. I know

what it has cost the noble, the brave, the tender, to throw away every

superstition, although sanctified by the memory of those they loved.

Whoever has thrown away these superstitions has been pursued by his

fellow-men, From the day of the death of Voltaire the church has pursued

him as though he had been the vilest criminal. A little over one hundred

years ago, Catholicism, the inventor of instruments of torture, red with

the innocent blood of millions, felt in its heartless breast the dagger

of Voltaire. From that blow the Catholic Church never can recover. Livid

with hatred she launched at her assassin the curse of Rome, and ignorant

Protestants have echoed that curse. For myself, I like Voltaire, and

whenever I think of that name, it is to me as a plume floating above

some grand knight--a knight who rides to a walled city and demands

an unconditional surrender. I like him. He was once imprisoned in the

Bastile, and while in that frightful fortress--and I like to tell it--he

changed his name. His name was Francois Marie Arouet. In his gloomy cell

he changed this name to Voltaire, and when some sixty years afterward

the Bastile was torn down to the very dust, "Voltaire" was the battle

cry of the destroyers who did it. I like him because he did more for

religious toleration than any other man who ever lived or died. I admire

him because he did more to do away with torture in civil proceedings

than any other man. I like him because he was always upon the side of

justice, upon the side of progress. I like him in spite of his faults,

because he had many and splendid virtues. I like him because his

doctrines have never brought unhappiness to any country. I like him

because he hated tyranny; and when he died he died as serenely as ever

mortal died; he spoke to his servant recognizing him as a man. He said

to him, calling him by name: "My friend, farewell." These were the last

words of Voltaire. And this was the only frightful scene enacted at his

bed of death. I like Voltaire, because for half a century he was the

intellectual emperor of Europe. I like him, because from his throne at

the foot of the Alps he pointed the finger of scorn at every hypocrite

in Christendom.

I will give to any clergyman in the city of San Francisco a thousand

dollars in gold to substantiate the story that the death of Voltaire was

not as peaceful as the coming of the dawn. The same absurd story is told

of Thomas Paine. Thomas Paine was a patriot--he was the first man in

the world to write these words: "The Free and Independent States of

America." He was the first man to convince the American people that they

ought to separate themselves from Great Britain. "His pen did as

much, to say the least, for the liberty of America, as the sword of

Washington." The men who have enjoyed the benefit of his heroic services

repay them with slander and calumny. If there is in this world a crime,

ingratitude is a crime. And as for myself, I am not willing to receive

anything from any man without making at least an acknowledgment of my

obligation. Y et these clergymen, whose very right to stand in their

pulpits and preach, was secured to them by such men as Thomas Paine,

delight in slandering the reputation of that great man. They tell their

hearers that he died in fear,--that he died in agony, hearing devils

rattle chains, and that the infinite God condescended to frighten a

dying man. I will give one thousand dollars in gold to any clergyman

in San Francisco who will substantiate the truth of the absurd stories

concerning the death of Thomas Paine. There is not one word of truth in

these accounts; not one word.

Let me ask one thing, and let me ask it, if you please, in what is

called a reverent spirit. Suppose that Voltaire and Thomas Paine, and

Volney and Hume and Hobbes had cried out when dying "My God, My God, why

hast thou forsaken me?" what would the clergymen of this city then have

said?

To resort to these foolish calumnies about the great men who have

opposed the superstitions of the world, is in my judgment, unbecoming

any intelligent man. The real question is not, who is afraid to die? The

question is, who is right? The great question is not, who died right,

but who lived right? There is infinitely more responsibility in living

than in dying. The moment of death is the most unimportant moment of

life. Nothing can be done then. You cannot even do a favor for a friend,

except to remember him in your will. It is a moment when life ceases to

be of value. While living, while you have health and strength, you

can augment the happiness of your fellow-men; and the man who has made

others happy need not be afraid to die. Yet these believers, as they

call themselves, these believers who hope for immortality--thousands

of them, will rob their neighbors, thousands of them will do numberless

acts of injustice, when, according to their belief, the witnesses of

their infamy will live forever; and the men whom they have injured and

outraged, will meet them in every glittering star through all the ages

yet to be.

As for me, I would rather do a generous action, and read the record in

the grateful faces of my fellow-men.

These gentlemen who attack me are orthodox now, but the men who started

their churches were heretics.

The first Presbyterian was a heretic. The first Baptist was a heretic.

The first Congregationalist was a heretic. The first Christian was

denounced as a blasphemer. And yet these heretics, the moment they get

numerous enough to be in the majority in some locality, begin to call

themselves orthodox. Can there be any impudence beyond this?

The first Baptist, as I said before, was a heretic; and he was the best

Baptist that I have ever heard anything about. I always liked him. He

was a good man--Roger Williams. He was the first man, so far as I know,

in this country, who publicly said that the soul of man should be free.

And it was a wonder to me that a man who had sense enough to say

that, could think that any particular form of baptism was necessary to

salvation. It does strike me that a man of great brain and thought could

not possibly think the eternal welfare of a human being, the question

whether he should dwell with angels, or be tossed upon eternal waves

of fire, should be settled by the manner in which he had been baptized.

That seems, to me so utterly destitute of thought and heart, that it is

a matter of amazement to me that any man ever looked upon the ordinance

of baptism as of any importance whatever. If we were at the judgment

seat to-night, and the Supreme Being, in our hearing, should ask a man:

"Have you been a good man?" and the man replied:

"Tolerably good."

"Did you love your wife and children?"

"Yes."

"Did you try and make them happy?"

"Yes."

"Did you try and make your neighbors happy?" "Yes, I paid my debts: I

gave heaping measure, and I never cared whether I was thanked for it or

not."

Suppose the Supreme Being then should say:

"Were you ever baptized?" and the man should reply:

"I am sorry to say I never was."

Could a solitary person of sense hear that question asked, by the

Supreme Being, without laughing, even if he knew that his own case was

to be called next?

I happened to be in the company of six or seven Baptist elders--how I

ever got into such bad company, I don't know,--and one of them asked

what I thought about baptism. Well, I never thought much about it; did

not know much about it; didn't want to say anything, but they insisted

upon it. I said, "Well, I'll give you my opinion--with soap, baptism is

a good thing."

The Reverend Mr. Guard has answered me, as I am informed, upon several

occasions. I have read the reports of his remarks, and have boiled them

down. He said some things about me not entirely pleasant, which I do not

wish to repeat. In his reply he takes the ground:

_First_. That the Bible is not an immoral book, because he swore upon it

or by it when he joined the Masons.

_Second_. He excuses Solomon for all his crimes upon the supposition

that he had softening of the brain, or a fatty degeneration of the

heart.

_Third._ That the Hebrews had the right to slay all the inhabitants of

Canaan, according to the doctrine of the "survival of the fittest." He

takes the ground that the destruction of these Canaanites, the ripping

open of women with child by the sword of war, was an act of sublime

mercy. He justifies a war of extermination; he applauds every act of

cruelty and murder. He says that the Canaanites ought to have been

turned from their homes; that men guilty of no crime except fighting for

their country, old men with gray hairs, old mothers and little, dimpled,

prattling children, ought to have been sacrificed upon the altar of war;

that it was an act of sublime mercy to plunge the sword of religious

persecution into the bodies of all, old and young. This is what the

reverend gentleman is pleased to call mercy. If this is mercy let us

have injustice. If there is in the heavens such a God I am sorry that

man exists. All this, however, is justified upon the ground that God

has the right to do as he pleases with the being he has created. This I

deny. Such a doctrine is infamously false. Suppose I could take a stone

and in one moment change it into a sentient, hoping, loving human being,

would I have the right to torture it? Would I have the right to give it

pain? No one but a fiend would either exercise or justify such a right.

Even if there is a God who created us all he has no such right. Above

any God that can exist, in the infinite serenity forever sits the figure

of justice; and this God, no matter how great and infinite he may be, is

bound to do justice.

_Fourth._ That God chose the Jews and governed them personally for

thousands of years, and drove out the Canaanites in order that his

peculiar people might not be corrupted by the example of idolaters; that

he wished to make of the Hebrews a great nation, and that, consequently,

he was justified in destroying the original inhabitants of that country.

It seems to me that the end hardly justified the means. According to the

account, God governed the Jews personally for many ages and succeeded

in civilizing them to that degree, that they crucified him the first

opportunity they had. Such an administration can hardly be called a

success.

_Fifth._ The reverend gentleman seems to think that the practice of

polygamy after all is not a bad thing when compared with the crime

of exhibiting a picture of Antony and Cleopatra. Upon the corrupting

influence of such pictures he descants at great length, and attacks with

all the bitterness of the narrow theologian the masterpieces of art.

Allow me to say one word about art. That is one of the most beautiful

words in our language--Art. And it never seemed to me necessary for

art to go in partnership with a rag. I like the paintings of Angelo, of

Raffaelle. I like the productions of those splendid souls that put their

ideas of beauty upon the canvas uncovered.

"There are brave souls in every land

Who worship nature, grand and nude,

And who with swift indignant hand

Tear off the fig leaves of the prude."

_Sixth_. That it may be true that the Bible sanctions slavery, but that

it is not an immoral book even if it does.

I can account for these statements, for these arguments, only as

the reverend gentleman has accounted for the sins of Solomon--"by a

softening of the brain, or a fatty degeneration of the heart."

It does seem to me that if I were a Christian, and really thought my

fellow-man was going down to the bottomless pit; that he was going to

misery and agony forever, it does seem to me that I would try and save

him. It does seem to me, that instead of having my mouth filled with

epithets and invectives; instead of drawing the lips of malice back from

the teeth of hatred, it seems to me that my eyes would be filled with

tears. It seems to me that I would do what little I could to reclaim

him. I would talk to him and of him, in kindness. I would put the arms

of affection about him. I would not speak of him as though he were a

wild beast. I would not speak to him as though he were a brute. I would

think of him as a man, as a man liable to eternal torture among the

damned, and my heart would be filled with sympathy, not hatred--my eyes

with tears, not scorn.

If there is anything pitiable, it is to see a man so narrowed and

withered by the blight and breath of superstition, as cheerfully to

defend the most frightful crimes of which we have a record--a man so

hardened and petrified by creed and dogma that he hesitates not to

defend even the institution of human slavery--so lost to all sense of

pity that he applauds murder and rapine as though they were acts of the

loftiest self-denial.

The next gentleman who has endeavored to answer what I have said, is the

Rev. Samuel Robinson. This he has done in his sermon entitled "Ghosts

against God or Ingersoll against Honesty." I presume he imagines himself

to be the defendant in both cases.

This gentleman apologized for attending an infidel lecture, upon the

ground that he had to contribute to the support of a "materialistic

demon." To say the least, this is not charitable. But I am satisfied.

I am willing to exchange facts for epithets. I fare so much better than

did the infidels in the olden time that I am more than satisfied. It is

a little thing that I bear.

The brave men of the past endured the instruments of torture. They were

stretched upon racks; their feet were crushed in iron boots; they stood

upon the shores of exile and gazed with tearful eyes toward home and

native land. They were taken from their firesides, from their wives,

from their children; they were taken to the public square; they were

chained to stakes, and their ashes were scattered by the countless hands

of hatred. I am satisfied. The disciples of fear cannot touch me.

This gentlemen hated to contribute a cent to the support of a

"materialistic demon." When I saw that statement I will tell you what I

did. I knew the man's conscience must be writhing in his bosom to think

that he had contributed a dollar toward my support, toward the support

of a "materialistic demon." I wrote him a letter and I said:

"My Dear Sir: In order to relieve your conscience of the crime of having

contributed to the support of an unbeliever in ghosts, I hereby enclose

the amount you paid to attend my lecture." I then gave him a little

good advice. I advised him to be charitable, to be kind, and regretted

exceedingly that any man could listen to one of my talks for an hour

and a half and not go away satisfied that all men had the same right to

think.

This man denied having received the money, but it was traced to him

through a blot on the envelope.

This gentleman avers that everything that I said about persecution

is applicable to the Catholic Church only. That is what he says. The

Catholics have probably persecuted more than any other church, simply

because that church has had more power, simply because it has been more

of a church. It has to-day a better organization, and as a rule, the

Catholics come nearer believing what they say about their church than

other Christians do. Was it a Catholic persecution that drove the

Puritan fathers from England? Was it not the storm of Episcopal

persecution that filled the sails of the Mayflower? Was it not a

Protestant persecution that drove the Ark and Dove to America? Let us be

honest. Who went to Scotland and persecuted the Presbyterians? Who was

it that chained to the stake that splendid girl by the sands of the

sea for not saying "God save the king"? She was worthy to have been the

mother of Caesar. She would not say "God save the king," but she would

say "God save the king, if it be God's will." Protestants ordered her to

say "God save the king," and no more. She said, "I will not," and they

chained her to a stake in the sand and allowed her to be drowned by

the rising of the inexorable tide. Who did this? Protestants. Who drove

Roger Williams from Massachusetts? Protestants. Who sold white Quaker

children into slavery? Protestants. Who cut out the tongues of Quakers?

Who burned and destroyed men and women and children charged with

impossible crimes? Protestants. The Protestants have persecuted exactly

to the extent of their power. The Catholics have done the same.

I want, however, to be just. The first people to pass an act of

religious toleration in the New World were the Catholics of Maryland.

The next were the Baptists of Rhode Island, led by Roger Williams.

The Catholics passed the act of religious toleration, and after the

Protestants got into power again in England, and also in the colony of

Maryland, they repealed the law of toleration and passed another law

declaring the Catholics from under the protection of all law.

Afterward, the Catholics again got into power and had the generosity and

magnanimity to re-enact the old law. And, so far as I know, it is the

only good record upon the subject of religious toleration the Catholics

have in this world, and I am always willing to give them credit for it.

This gentleman also says that infidelity has done nothing for the world

in the development of the arts and sciences. Does he not know that

nearly every man who took a forward step was denounced by the church as

a heretic and infidel? Does he not know that the church has in all ages

persecuted the astronomers, the geologists, the logicians? Does he not

know that even to-day the church slanders and maligns the foremost men?

Has he ever heard of Tyndall, of Huxley? Is he acquainted with John

W. Draper, one of the leading minds of the world? Did he ever hear of

Auguste Comte, the great Frenchman? Did he ever hear of Descartes, of

Laplace, of Spinoza? In short, has he ever heard of a man who took a

step in advance of his time?

Orthodoxy never advances. When it advances, it ceases to be orthodoxy

and becomes heresy. Orthodoxy is putrefaction. It is intellectual

cloaca; it cannot advance. What the church calls infidelity is simply

free thought. Every man who really owns his own brain is, in the

estimation of the church, an infidel.

There is a paper published in this city called _The Occident_. The

Editor has seen fit to speak of me, and of the people who have assembled

to hear me, in the lowest, vilest and most scurrilous terms possible.

I cannot afford to reply in the same spirit. He alleges that the people

who assemble to hear me are the low, the debauched and the infamous.

The man who reads that paper ought to read it with tongs. It is a

Presbyterian sheet; and would gladly treat me as John Calvin treated

Castalio. Castalio was the first minister in the history of Christendom

who acknowledged the innocence of honest error, and John Calvin followed

him like a sleuth-hound of perdition. He called him a "dog of Satan;"

said that he had crucified Christ afresh; and pursued him to the very

grave. The editor of this paper is still warming his hands at the fire

that burned Servetus. He has in his heart the same fierce hatred of

everything that is free. But what right have we to expect anything good

of a man who believes in the eternal damnation of infants?

There may have been sometime in the history of the world a worse

religion than Old School Presbyterianism, but if there ever was, from

cannibalism to civilization, I have never heard of it.

I make a distinction between the members and the creed of that church. I

know many who are a thousand times better than the creed--good, warm and

splendid friends of mine. I would do anything in the world for them. And

I have said to them a hundred times, "You are a thousand times better

than your creed." But when you come down to the doctrine of the

damnation of infants, it is the deformity of deformities. The editor

of this paper is engaged in giving the world the cheerful doctrines of

fore-ordination and damnation--those twin comforts of the Presbyterian

creed, and warning them against the frightful effects of reasoning in

any manner for themselves. He regards the intellectually free as the

lowest, the vilest and the meanest, as men who wish to sin, as men

who are longing to commit crime, men who are anxious to throw off all

restraint.

My friends, every chain thrown from the body puts an additional

obligation upon the soul. Every man who is free, puts a responsibility

upon his brain and upon his heart. You, who never want responsibility,

give your souls to some church. You, who never want the feeling that you

are under obligation to yourselves, give your souls away. But if you are

willing to feel and meet responsibility; if you feel that you must give

an account not only to yourselves but to every human being whom you

injure, then you must be free. Where there is no freedom, there can be

no responsibility.

It is a mystery to me why the editors of religious papers are so

malicious, why they endeavor to answer argument with calumny. Is it

because they feel the sceptre slowly slipping from their hands? Is it

the result of impotent rage? Is it because there is being written upon

every orthodox brain a certificate of intellectual inferiority?

This same editor assures his readers that what I say is not worth

answering, and yet he devotes column after column of his journal to that

very purpose. He states that I am no speaker, no orator; and upon the

same page admits that he did not hear me, giving as a reason that he

does not think it right to pay money for such a purpose. Recollect, that

in a religious paper, a man who professes honesty, criticises a statue

or a painting, condemns it, and at the end of the criticism says that he

never saw it. He criticises what he calls the oratory of a man, and at

the end says, "I never heard him, and I never saw him."

As a matter of fact, I have never heard of any of these gentlemen who

thought it necessary to hear what any man said in order to answer him.

The next gentleman who answered me is the Rev. Mr. Ijams. And I must

say, so far as I can see, in his argument, or in his mode of treatment,

he is a kind and considerate gentleman. He makes several mistakes as

to what I really said, but the fault I suppose must have been in the

report. I am made to say in the report of his sermon, "There is no

sacred place in all the universe." What I did say was, "There is no

sacred place in all the universe of thought. There is nothing too holy

to be investigated, nothing too divine to be understood. The fields of

thought are fenceless, and without a wall." I say this to-night.

Mr. Ijams also says that I had declared that man had not only the right

to do right, but also the right to do wrong. What I really said was, man

has the right to do right, and the right to think right, and the right

to think wrong. Thought is a means of ascertaining truth, a mode by

which we arrive at conclusions. And if no one has a right to think,

unless he thinks right, he would only have the right to think upon

self-evident propositions. In all respects, with the exception of these

misstatements to which I have called your attention, so far as I can

see, Mr. Ijams was perfectly fair, and treated me as though I had the

ordinary rights of a human being. I take this occasion to thank him.

A great many papers, a great many people, a good many ministers and a

multitude of men, have had their say, and have expressed themselves

with the utmost freedom. I cannot reply to them all. I can only reply to

those who have made a parade of answering me. Many have said it is not

worth answering, and then proceeded to answer. They have said, he has

produced no argument, and then have endeavored to refute it. They have

said it is simply the old straw that has been thrashed over and over

again for years and years. If all I have said is nothing, if it is

all idle and foolish, why do they take up the time of their fellow-men

replying to me? Why do they fill their religious papers with criticisms,

if all I have said and done reminds them, according to the Rev. Mr.

Guard, of "some little dog barking at a railway train"? Why stop the

train, why send for the directors, why hold a consultation and finally

say, we must settle with that dog or stop running these cars?

Probably the best way to answer them all, is to prove beyond cavil the

truth of what I have said.

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