Mrs. PAINE. Well, she said to me in November that she has changed from
never listening to an English conversation to giving it some of her
attention because she is able to pick up some words. You know how if
you don't understand anything there is no point even----
Mr. DULLES. I personally got the impression when she was here that she
understood a good deal of English.
Mrs. PAINE. I believe she does, yes.
Mr. DULLES. But this time she did not have that facility at all?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Did you not think it was curious that her husband was
adverse to her acquiring some facility with the English language?
Mrs. PAINE. I thought it was distinctly thoughtless on his part, even
cruel.
Mr. JENNER. Did you discuss it with her to the extent that you could in
your limited command of Russian?
Mrs. PAINE. I think the easiest thing was to agree with what she was
saying about it, agree with what she was saying.
Mr. JENNER. Which was what?
Mrs. PAINE. Which is that this wasn't the way it should be and I
certainly agreed.
Mr. JENNER. She complained, did she?
Mrs. PAINE. She complained, yes.
Mr. JENNER. I see. Did she express an interest, then, in acquiring some
facility?
Mrs. PAINE. Not against his wishes, no. She didn't express an interest.
In learning English through me, for instance.
Mr. JENNER. Yes. She showed no interest unlike the interest you had in
her helping you with Russian, she showed no interest at that moment in
learning from you some command of the English language?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Now you think the second occasion occurring in your
calendar entry there was possibly March 20?
Mr. JENNER. And what is the entry?
Mrs. PAINE. It says, "Marina".
Mr. JENNER. And that is the only word?
Mrs. PAINE. That is all it says.
Mr. JENNER. In that square?
Mrs. PAINE. Probably I went again to her home.
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me. Does that refresh your recollection as to
anything on that occasion?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. It does not?
Mrs. PAINE. I am guessing, again, that this was the second meeting. I
think I went to her home twice before I carried her from her place to
my home, which was considerably more of an event, since it was 35 or 40
minutes each way, going twice in one day.
Mr. JENNER. You say carry?
Mrs. PAINE. Carry, that is a good Texas term for driving a person in a
car.
Senator COOPER. I must say there, that is an old term even in Kentucky.
You take some person some place you carry them.
Mrs. PAINE. You carry them; yes.
Mr. JENNER. It is an odd expression to me.
Mrs. PAINE. I have been in Texas longer than I think.
Mr. JENNER. I take it then there were two occasions when you visited
her.
Mrs. PAINE. I believe there were two down there, and then I asked her,
went to pick her up and brought her to my home and we spent a portion
of the day at my home, and I then took her back.
Mr. JENNER. This was at your invitation?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; surely.
Mr. JENNER. Had you by this time--let us take the March 20 affair,
occasion--had you some feeling of affinity or liking for Marina?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. As a person?
Mrs. PAINE. I did feel that she was in a difficult position from the
first I met her.
Mr. JENNER. Now, chronologically, would you in your own words, so that
I don't suggest anything to you, what was the next occasion?
The next time it was under circumstances in which you went to her home
in your station wagon, picked her up and brought her to your home?
Mrs. PAINE. It was probably then that she mentioned to me that Lee
wanted her to go back to the Soviet Union, was asking her to go back.
Mr. JENNER. He mentioned this subject as early as that, did he not?
Mrs. PAINE. This was still in March.
Mr. JENNER. She did?
Mrs. PAINE. She did, yes; and said that she didn't want to go.
Mr. JENNER. The Commission is interested in that. Would you please
relate it?
Mrs. PAINE. She said she did not want to go back, that he asked her to
go back, told her, perhaps, to go back.