Mrs. PAINE. Perhaps I can answer your question----

Senator COOPER. And it provoked your interest.

Mrs. PAINE. I can answer it this way. I was interested at the party to

hear something of what he had to say. I was hopeful when I wrote and

inquired if I could see Marina where they lived; and knowing that he

would be at work, that I would try to go during the week when I would

have a chance simply to talk with her.

Senator COOPER. That night he did say that he did not like the

capitalist system?

Mrs. PAINE. That is my best recollection.

Senator COOPER. Were you interested, then, in finding out what it was

about it he didn't like?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Senator COOPER. In reference to his experience in Russia or for any

other reason?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Senator COOPER. You didn't inquire further to have him elaborate on his

reasons for not liking the capitalist system?

Mrs. PAINE. No. Of course, it is a rather short space of time we are

talking about, perhaps 45 minutes or so or less. People were inquiring

of him.

Mr. JENNER. But others did inquire on these subjects?

Mrs. PAINE. For the most part the other people asked questions, yes.

Mr. JENNER. On the subject that Senator Cooper has inquired about, is

that true?

Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall.

Mr. JENNER. Now perhaps to help your recollection a little bit on that,

was this roommate of whom you speak named Volkmar Schmidt?

Mrs. PAINE. Volkmar sounds familiar.

Mr. JENNER. Do you recall a couple by the name of Richard Pierce, or

a gentleman at least by the name of Richard Pierce who attended that

meeting?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; that would be the other roommate, not a couple, he was

single, Richard Pierce.

Mr. JENNER. Was there not present a Miss Betty MacDonald?

Mrs. PAINE. Which I had completely forgotten about, yes; there was.

Mr. JENNER. And you still are unable to recall the name of the other

couple?

Mrs. PAINE. I am unable to. Betty MacDonald I do recall lives in the

same apartment building as this couple, and it is a long German sort of

name, I think.

Mr. JENNER. Had you become acquainted with Mr. Glover through your

husband?

Mrs. PAINE. Well, you might say so. We both became interested in going

to madrigal sings at the same time. My interest in madrigals was

developed by Michael, but that was before we ever moved to Texas.

Mr. JENNER. Were you teaching Russian at this time?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. You were not? Had you done any teaching of Russian prior to

this occasion?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. You subsequently did some teaching; have you done some

teaching of Russian?

Mrs. PAINE. Just this past summer.

Mr. JENNER. Yes. I will get to that in due course. Did you do some

translating that evening for Marina?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. You did not?

Mrs. PAINE. I spoke to her very little. I was embarrassed to.

Mr. JENNER. Why was that?

Mrs. PAINE. Because my Russian was so poor, and the De Mohrenschildts

could both do it all so much better.

Mr. JENNER. Was Mr. Oswald's command of Russian very good, also?

Mrs. PAINE. I didn't hear him speak Russian that night at all.

Mr. JENNER. Oh, is that so?

Mrs. PAINE. He may have, but I don't recall.

Mr. JENNER. He did no translating?

Mrs. PAINE. No. For her, no.

Mr. JENNER. For Marina. And on no occasion--he sat there and on none of

the occasions did he translate, but, rather, Mr. De Mohrenschildt did

the translating?

Mrs. PAINE. I don't even believe that was translating. They would

address themselves to her in a separate conversation from what was

going on from these three or four around him.

Mr. JENNER. So that those who did not understand Russian got nothing

from it?

Mrs. PAINE. Those who did not understand English got nothing from what

he was saying--is that what you mean, or do you mean the other way?

Mr. JENNER. If no one interpreted her in English, translated for her.

Mrs. PAINE. No one understood it; yes.

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