Mr. LIEBELER. Did he indicate to you that he was thinking----

Mr. PAINE. Therefore, I think Ruth, they went out to admire the car

and, of course, I was thinking that it, this might make it appear to

them that the car was within reach, and driving was something to be

sought.

Mr. LIEBELER. In addition to the Oldsmobile that you mentioned, you

personally own a Citroen automobile and your wife owns a station wagon,

is that correct?

Mr. PAINE. That is correct.

Mr. LIEBELER. You never saw Oswald drive any of those cars at any time?

Mr. PAINE. That is correct. I had keys to both of my cars so he could

not have driven them without----

Mr. LIEBELER. Without your knowledge?

Mr. PAINE. Or else somehow getting another. He would have to--you can,

I have driven my car when I have broken the key.

Mr. LIEBELER. But you never saw him drive it?

Mr. PAINE. I never saw him drive it.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did your wife ever tell you that she had seen Oswald

driving a car or she was trying to teach him how to drive a car?

Mr. PAINE. Yes; she did.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did she indicate what proficiency he had at operating an

automobile?

Mr. PAINE. She thought he was, she observed how much one has to learn

in order to drive a car. He had a difficulty in some manner, perhaps

it was in judging when to turn the wheel when parking. And I think she

said he over controlled it, turned too far.

Mr. LIEBELER. Looking back now on all your conversations with Oswald,

after his return from New Orleans, did you have any discussions with

him other than the ones you have already mentioned in your previous

testimony?

Mr. DULLES. Could I ask a question before you answer this question.

About the car, did you get any idea as to why he didn't want to drive a

car or to have a car, did he think this would make him a capitalist or

anything of that kind? Did anything come up in the conversations with

regard to his not having a car or not driving a car?

Mr. PAINE. No. I gathered that was slightly embarrassing not to be able

to drive a car.

Mr. DULLES. All right. Thank you.

Mr. LIEBELER. Can you recall any conversations that you had with

Oswald that you think would be helpful for us to know other than the

ones you have already mentioned?

Mr. PAINE. I don't recall one now.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he ever indicate to you any specific hostility toward

President Kennedy?

Mr. PAINE. I think at this ACLU meeting he mentioned this specifically

that he thought Kennedy had done a good job in civil rights. That was

it--generally my impression was that he liked--he didn't like anybody,

but he disliked Kennedy least as you might go right from Kennedy.

Mr. LIEBELER. To the best of your recollection, was that the only time

he mentioned President Kennedy specifically?

Mr. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he ever mention Governor Connally?

Mr. PAINE. Not to my knowledge.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he ever indicate any hostility toward the United

States other than the hostility that you have previously testified to

after his return from the Soviet Union and his general dislikes of the

American system?

Mr. PAINE. That is right. Just his general dislike.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he ever indicate to you a desire to return to the

Soviet Union?

Mr. PAINE. No; I think when I learned, I don't know when it was that he

had planned to go back there that it was a surprise to me.

Mr. LIEBELER. When did you learn that he planned to go back there?

Mr. PAINE. That was probably subsequent; yes, that was certainly

subsequent to November 22.

Mr. DULLES. Or to go to Cuba?

Mr. PAINE. Or to go to Cuba, yes.

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