The CHAIRMAN. The Commission will be in order.
Mr. Paine, I will just read a brief statement concerning the purpose of
the meeting today which is our practice.
The purpose of this hearing is to take the testimony of Mr. and Mrs.
Michael R. Paine. The Commission has been advised that Mr. and Mrs.
Paine made the acquaintance of the Oswalds during 1963, and that Mrs.
Marina Oswald lived in the Paine home from late September 1963 up to
the time of the assassination.
Since the Commission is inquiring fully into the background and
possible motive of Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged assassin, it intends
to ask the above witnesses questions concerning Mr. Oswald, his
associations and relations with others, as well as questions concerning
any and all matters relating to the assassination.
You have been furnished a copy of this, have you not?
Mr. PAINE. I have seen something to that effect.
The CHAIRMAN. You have seen it.
Very well, will you rise and raise your right hand, please. Do you
solemnly swear the testimony you give before this Commission will be
the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. PAINE. I do.
The CHAIRMAN. You may be seated; Mr. Liebeler will propound the
questions to you.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you state your name, please?
Mr. PAINE. Michael R. Paine.
Mr. LIEBELER. And your address?
Mr. PAINE. 2515 West Fifth Street, Irving, Tex.
Mr. LIEBELER. When were you born, Mr. Paine?
Mr. PAINE. June 25, 1928.
Mr. LIEBELER. Where?
Mr. PAINE. New York City.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you tell us briefly your educational background,
where you attended schools?
Mr. PAINE. I went to school, high school in New York, went to 2 years
of Harvard and a year of Swarthmore, I have not finished college.
Mr. DULLES. What class would you have been in Swarthmore?
Mr. PAINE. 1953.
Mr. DULLES. You would have been 1953 if you finished or did you finish?
Mr. PAINE. No; I did not.
Mr. DULLES. Excuse me.
Mr. LIEBELER. You are presently married, are you not?
Mr. PAINE. That is right.
Mr. LIEBELER. Your wife's name is?
Mr. PAINE. Ruth Hyde Paine.
Mr. LIEBELER. You have two children?
Mr. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Tell us who your parents are.
Mr. PAINE. Lyman Paine is my father and Ruth Forbes Paine Young, or
Young is her present name. Mrs. Arthur Young now. She is my mother.
Mr. LIEBELER. Where is your father living at the present time?
Mr. PAINE. He is in Los Angeles.
Mr. LIEBELER. Your mother?
Mr. PAINE. Philadelphia.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any brothers and sisters?
Mr. PAINE. I have a brother in Baltimore.
Mr. LIEBELER. What is his name?
Mr. PAINE. Cameron Paine.
Mr. LIEBELER. By whom are you presently employed?
Mr. PAINE. Bell Helicopter, Fort Worth.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have a security clearance in connection with your
work at Bell Helicopter?
Mr. PAINE. I suppose it is. I don't happen to know what the
classification is.
Mr. LIEBELER. Where did you work prior to working for Bell Helicopter?
Mr. PAINE. I worked in Pennsylvania for Arthur Young.
Mr. LIEBELER. What was the nature of your employment with Mr. Young?
Mr. PAINE. I had set up a shop in his barn and started work for myself
and then he employed me making models, helicopter models for himself.
Mr. LIEBELER. Approximately at what time, what period of time did you
work for Mr. Young?
Mr. PAINE. That is very difficult to say. I began more or less
gradually first. I was doing other things. I am very vague about the
dates.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know the year approximately?
Mr. PAINE. I suppose I went to work at Bell in 1958. I have been there
4-1/2 years.
Mr. DULLES. Is this Mr. Young your stepfather?