Mr. McWATTERS. I guess that would probably be----

Senator COOPER. Another man?

Mr. McWATTERS. That would probably be the reason.

I don't know of any other reason that it would be unless it was the

transfer, that I can recall.

Senator COOPER. Are you absolutely certain that you did see another man

on that bus?

Mr. McWATTERS. Do you mean the day?

Senator COOPER. A man other than the teenager?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir; I picked up a man.

Senator COOPER. Where?

Mr. McWATTERS. Along about Griffin Street that knocked on the door of

the bus.

Senator COOPER. Is that near Murphy?

Mr. McWATTERS. That is near Murphy, in other words, Murphy is over here

zig-zags, Griffin zig-zags across to Murphy.

Senator COOPER. Why was it then that when you made this affidavit, you

wouldn't remember that a man knocked on the door to get in the bus?

Mr. McWATTERS. Just like I say, I guess it never did dawn on me until

I just got to thinking about it and everything, and I had this boy, I

mean was the one I was referring to in that affidavit right there.

In other words, he was just kind of a slight build, so far as him and

Oswald, I guess they probably somewhere in the same size, I don't know.

But I was mistaken in that, in other words, that was the boy right

there----

Senator COOPER. Did the police ask you if any man other than the

teenager was on the bus?

Mr. McWATTERS. I don't recall whether they did or not.

Senator COOPER. Did you tell the police at that time on the 22d or the

Federal Bureau of Investigation on the 23d about a man knocking on the

window and wanting to get into the bus?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, I believe I did.

Senator COOPER. What is it about this transfer that makes you know that

it was a transfer which you issued?

Mr. McWATTERS. Well, you look at that old punch mark, I guess as many

times as I have punched it----

Senator COOPER. Does each--does each driver have a different punch?

Mr. BALL. When you weren't here he showed us his punch and he punched

it for us. He has got his punch.

Mr. McWATTERS. Each driver has a different punch. They all are

registered. In other words, regardless of how many there are--that is

my punch right there--there is some shape or form different, just like

I say the superintendent has every man's name and a punch mark right on

down, in other words, so when----

Senator COOPER. Do you know whether the punches are different in the

shape that they make?

Mr. McWATTERS. No, sir; no, sir; I don't know anything about that. I

know----

Senator COOPER. What you are saying is, then, you have punched so many

of these transfer that you recognize your own punch?

Mr. McWATTERS. I can recognize my own punchmark. I don't think there is

supposed to be another----

Senator COOPER. Is there anything else on the transfer which indicates

that it was one which would be issued on your bus?

Mr. McWATTERS. Well, except only where it is punched--in other words,

I come off of Lakewood Boulevard there where that would be the only

distinction right there, is the punchmark and the name of where I have

it punched there.

Senator COOPER. Did anyone tell you, either the police or the FBI or

any other officer or any other person, tell you at the time you made

your first affidavit or later that there was another man reported to

have been on your bus and got off?

Mr. McWATTERS. I don't recall.

Senator COOPER. Have you ever reported to the police the fact that you

have carried as a passenger since November 22d the teenager whom you

have now identified as having the name of Milton Jones?

Mr. McWATTERS. Did I ever report it to the police?

Senator COOPER. Yes.

Mr. McWATTERS. No, sir.

Senator COOPER. Have they ever been back to talk to you any more about

this?

Mr. McWATTERS. No, sir.

Senator COOPER. About this matter?

Mr. McWATTERS. They have never been back to me. The only time they have

talked to me----

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