Representative FORD. But you did have these two men, the teenager and
this other young man?
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir; that were on the bus.
Representative FORD. And you very specifically recall giving a transfer
to this woman with the suitcase and the man who was in the second seat
on the right-hand side?
Mr. McWATTERS. On the right side that got off. In other words, to the
best of my knowledge that is the only two transfers that I put out
going through town that I can recall at all, I mean, because I don't
recall putting out any more transfers than those two that I put out
when I was held up there in traffic.
Mr. BALL. Mr. McWatters, on this transfer is the name of Shopper's
Transfer.
Does that have any significance?
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir; that is what I was telling him. In other
words, if they want a Shoppers; well I put my punch mark in that
Shoppers there, which they cannot use it for a transfer, in other
words, any more than other than--all the stores, most of them in
downtown Dallas, if you buy as much as a dollar's worth between the
period of ten and four in the afternoon they give you a little white
slip which entitled you to ride what is called the Shopper's Pass. It
rides you back, but in other words you have to, a passenger has to, ask
for it in other words.
When they say a Shopper, you take a punch and punch your punch mark
where it says Shoppers, but they are not supposed to use the transfer
then to transfer to another bus. They are supposed, in other words,
where it is punched in the store, get it exchanged for their return
fare.
Mr. BALL. In other words, all your transfers have on them printed the
word "Shopper's Transfer"?
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir; they do.
Mr. BALL. And in order to make it a Shopper's Transfer so that the
transfer can be exchanged for a merchandise coupon to ride home, it has
to have your punch in the Shopper's Transfer area, is that right?
Mr. McWATTERS. That is correct, yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you know, did you remember, an elderly woman getting on
your bus some place on Elm after you left St. Paul?
Mr. McWATTERS. Not that I recall.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember when this man, do you remember when this man
knocked on your window, and you opened your bus and let him on, some
place around Murphy or Griffin and Elm, that an elderly woman got up in
the bus and moved?
Did you see that or anything like that?
Mr. McWATTERS. No, I don't recall.
Mr. BALL. Do you know whether or not you left an elderly woman off down
around in the Oak Cliff area some place?
Mr. McWATTERS. The best I can recall I had two or three or four elderly
women, the best I can remember on the bus when I left town, but I don't
recall where any of them got off.
Mr. BALL. Do you know a woman named Mary Bledsoe?
Did you pick anybody up at St. Paul and Elm?
Mr. McWATTERS. I really don't--I really can't recall whether I did or
not.
Mr. BALL. I have no further questions.
Senator COOPER. I would like to ask a few, if I may.
Am I correct in saying that the direction of your bus at the time of
these events you have testified to it was going west on Elm Street?
Mr. McWATTERS. West on Elm. In other words, west, the streets of Dallas
all run east and west.
Senator COOPER. But when you got to Houston Street, then you turned
south?
Mr. McWATTERS. I turned south, that is correct.
Senator COOPER. Did your bus pass the Texas School Book Depository?