Mr. BALL. That was the fellow?
Mr. McWATTERS. That was the fellow.
Mr. BALL. You were not under the impression then that night when you
saw the lineup that the No. 2 man in the lineup was the man who got off
the bus, to whom you had given a transfer?
Mr. McWATTERS. That is what I say. In other words, when I told them,
I said, the only way is the man, that he is smaller, in other words,
he kind of had a thin like face and he weighs less than any one of
them. The only one I could identify at all would be the smaller man on
account he was the only one who could come near fitting the description.
Mr. BALL. Let me ask you this, though. Did you tell them the man, the
smaller man, you saw in the lineup, did you tell them that you thought
he was the man who got off your bus and got the transfer or the man who
was on the bus who was the teenager who was grinning?
Mr. McWATTERS. Well, I really thought he was the man who was on the bus.
Mr. BALL. That stayed on the bus?
Mr. McWATTERS. That stayed on the bus.
Mr. BALL. And you didn't think he was the man who got off the bus and
to whom you gave a transfer?
Mr. McWATTERS. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. At that time you didn't?
Mr. McWATTERS. That is why I say I pinpointed that transfer on that boy
as far as that is concerned. But at first, just like I say, I really
thought from the height and weight of the two men, I mean was just
like I say, was both of them were small. In the lineup they had, in
other words, bigger men, in other words, he was the smallest man at the
lineup.
Mr. BALL. We have got--we have this diagram that you have already drawn
of the bus which has several initials on it. Could you tell me where on
the bus this lady sat who told the teenager it was no grinning matter?
Mr. McWATTERS. Well, now, that is, in other words, I don't think at
that time--now this teenager was still on the bus near, but I had a
couple of more passengers on there, I believe I had two women on there,
but I can't recall just, when I picked her up where she sat down on the
bus.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember you said to the woman, "Look at that man
behind you?"
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, she was standing up here at the fare, paying fare.
Mr. BALL. And the teenager was where?
Mr. McWATTERS. He was sitting right here.
Mr. BALL. At the place "O", is that right?
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, at the place "O".
Mr. BALL. I see.
Mr. McWATTERS. That is where the conversation was going on.
Mr. BALL. Mr. McWatters, that affidavit you have there, will you look
at another item you have there?
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. "Today, November 22, 1963, about 12:40 p.m., I was driving
Marsalis Bus No. 1213."
Mr. McWATTERS. That is right.
Mr. BALL. First of all, you have referred to that as another bus,
Munger Bus, is that the same bus?
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir; in other words, that number there is my run
number right here on my card.
Mr. BALL. I understand that, but do you call that run the Marsalis run
as well as the Munger run?
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir. Well, here you can--let me show you here on
this schedule right here, Marsalis, Ramona, Elwood and Munger.