Mr. McWATTERS. That is after the bus had----

Senator COOPER. Past the Texas Depository?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir; that is about 3 or 4 miles out in the Oak

Cliff section where the teenage boy got off of the bus.

Senator COOPER. From the time the man got on the bus, which you later

identified in the police lineup until he got off, had you noticed him,

had you looked at him again?

Mr. McWATTERS. Had I looked at him again?

Senator COOPER. Yes.

Mr. McWATTERS. Not until just like I say he was sitting--I was talking

to this teenage boy and he was sitting right behind this boy, but I

didn't pay him any particular attention, to the man.

Senator COOPER. You saw him get on the bus?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes.

Senator COOPER. Did you see him get off?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes; I gave him a transfer when he got off the bus,

the same place that was, the same place I was stopped where the man

come back and stepped up in the bus and told me what he had heard over

his radio in his car, the same place that the lady got off, with a

suitcase, is the place that the man got off.

Senator COOPER. The man you later identified in the police lineup?

Mr. McWATTERS. That is correct; yes, sir.

Senator COOPER. Did you pay any particular attention to him when he got

off?

Mr. McWATTERS. Not no more than I did than, I think, when he got on.

Senator COOPER. Do you remember anything about his clothes or his

general appearance in any way?

Mr. McWATTERS. Just like I say, I remember he had on, to me he had on

just work clothes, he didn't have on a suit of clothes, and some type

of jacket. I would say a cloth jacket.

Senator COOPER. I believe that is all.

Mr. BALL. You didn't--as I understand it, when you were at the police

lineup, you told us that you didn't--weren't able to identify this man

in the lineup as the man who got off, that you gave the transfer to.

Mr. McWATTERS. I told them to the best of my knowledge, I said the man

that I picked out was the same height, about the same height, weight

and description. But as far as actually saying that is the man I

couldn't----

Mr. BALL. You couldn't do it?

Mr. McWATTERS. I wouldn't do it and I wouldn't do it now.

Mr. BALL. You signed an affidavit for the Dallas Police Department, do

you remember that?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. I will show you a copy of it, we can get the original if you

want, but there is a copy of it, a picture taken of it.

Will you read it, please?

(At this point, Representative Ford withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. BALL. This document, I would like to have marked as 377, at this

time, Commission Exhibit, with the understanding that we may substitute

the photostat for the original.

Senator COOPER. Very well; let it be substituted. It has been

identified, and will be identified.

Mr. BALL. Yes, it will be; I will identify it for the record as a

photostat of an affidavit of Cecil J. McWatters made before Patsy

Collins, Notary Public of Dallas County, Tex., November 22, 1963.

(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit 377, and

received in evidence.)

Mr. BALL. Now, having read that, first of all, does that look like your

signature, Mr. McWatters?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir; it does.

Mr. BALL. Do you remember the circumstances under which you made that

affidavit?

Mr. McWATTERS. Well, I just told them the best I could remember.

Mr. BALL. I am showing this to you for the purpose of refreshing your

memory.

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, I know.

Mr. BALL. I know it has been several months.

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, I know what you mean.

Mr. BALL. And sometimes when you see something that you signed before

it refreshes your memory.

Mr. McWATTERS. It sure does.

Yes, that is what you mean, I know what you mean, I said that looked

like the man I saw.

Mr. BALL. In this affidavit, it says, it mentions the fact that when

you went to Marsalis and picked up a woman.

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes.

Mr. BALL. You asked her if she knew the President had been shot, you

told us about that a few moments ago.

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes.

Mr. BALL. She thought you were kidding, and you told her, "I told her

if she didn't believe me to ask the man behind her, that he had told me

the President was shot in the temple."

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Was the man, was that the teenager?

Mr. McWATTERS. That is right, sir, that was the teenage boy. In other

words, he was, I would say, around 17 or 18 years old.

Mr. BALL. You said here, "The man didn't say anything but he was

grinning."

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Do you think that happened?

Mr. McWATTERS. Well, when the lady asked him, he just kind of grinned,

in other words, and she said, "This is not a grinning or laughing

matter," or something to that effect I don't remember just exactly what

she did say.

Mr. BALL. Now you told them at that time you didn't know where you let

this man off.

Mr. McWATTERS. That is right, I didn't at that time, I didn't know

where he got off.

Mr. BALL. You told us a few moments ago you thought he got off another

place.

Mr. McWATTERS. That is right, sir.

Mr. BALL. What was that place?

Mr. McWATTERS. He got off at Brownley, because the man rode with me the

next day.

Mr. BALL. You went out there the next day, did you?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. With an FBI man or a Dallas policeman?

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