(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. You have marked the "Y" over two windows. Was it the
window--which window was it there as best you can recollect, as between
those two?
Mr. WORRELL. I didn't mean to bring it down that far but this one.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you put an arrow then at the window that you have
just indicated, was the one where the rifle was protruding from?
(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. So, the sum of it is you are not sure whether it was the
fifth or the sixth floor, but you believe it was on the floor where you
have marked a "Y" which is the sixth floor and that was the line of
vision as you looked straight up over your head?
Mr. WORRELL. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you run, which is what you have just described
that you did next?
Mr. WORRELL. Well, a better view of it is here in 360. I ran down
Houston Street alongside the building and then crossed over the street,
I ran alongside the building and crossed over, and in 359, I was
standing over here, and I saw this man come bustling out of this door.
Mr. SPECTER. Before you get to that, Mr. Worrell, let me show you a
diagram which has been prepared here, which may be of some assistance
to you in telling us your movements in running. I will mark this as
Commission Exhibit 361 and ask Mr. David Belin, Staff Counsel, to make
a statement as to the preparation of this exhibit for the record.
Mr. BELIN. The record will show that Exhibit 361 was prepared in the
exhibit section of the Federal Bureau of Investigation by Inspector
Leo. J. Gauthier and Eugene Paul Airy, exhibit specialist, with the
assistance of Charles D. Musser, illustrator, with particular reference
to showing the Texas School Book Depository Building, and the immediate
area with relation to the parking lot that employees used.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Worrell, take a good look at this. Study it for just
a moment in order to get your bearings on this particular map. This
is the Texas School Book Depository Building designated as such. This
is Houston Street and this is the direction I am indicating that the
motorcade, as you have described from the other exhibit, came from, a
generally northerly direction. This is generally north, and it made the
left-hand turn which you have already described for the record, onto
Elm Street Parkway going down the front there.
Now perhaps the best place to start on this is with this red pencil, to
put a small "X" where you were standing on this map.
Mr. WORRELL. Where I was standing?
Mr. SPECTER. Where you were standing.
(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. Now will you describe your movement in running as you had
started to a few moments ago, indicating with a line of the red pencil
just exactly where you went and describe it as you go along.
Mr. WORRELL. Well, as I said on the third shot I was looking up and
pivoting and turning to run at the same time. When I got here I heard
the fourth shot.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating that you were at that point right at the corner
of the building on Houston?
Mr. WORRELL. Making a turn.
Mr. SPECTER. Having moved slightly to your left, and beginning to make
a turn to go in a generally northerly direction on Houston Street?
Mr. WORRELL. I thought that was north.
Mr. SPECTER. No, this is north, there is a symbol showing which is
north.
Mr. WORRELL. Okay. Then I turned the corner, went right down beside the
building on the sidewalk and when I got to the corner----
Mr. SPECTER. Corner of what?
Mr. WORRELL. Of this building.
Mr. SPECTER. Of the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. WORRELL. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And what did you do there?
Mr. WORRELL. Cut directly across, kind of at an angle.
Mr. SPECTER. Across Houston Street as you have drawn the red line there?
Mr. WORRELL. Yes, and I rested there, I was out of breath, I smoke too
much, short winded.
Mr. SPECTER. Will you mark that "Y" where you stopped and rested and
tell us how long you stopped there?
(Witness marking.)
Mr. WORRELL. How long?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes, sir.
Mr. WORRELL. I was there approximately 3 minutes before I saw this man
come out the back door here.
Mr. SPECTER. All right.
Now will you put a "Z" where you first saw the man whom you have just
described or mentioned?
Mr. WORRELL. It is here I am pretty sure, I am not positive.
(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. You are pretty sure--but you can't be positive--but you
are pretty sure?
Mr. WORRELL. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Okay. Now, describe as best you can the man whom you have
testified you saw at point "Z."
Mr. WORRELL. Describe his appearance?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes. Start by telling us how tall he was, to the best of
your ability to recollect and estimate?
Mr. WORRELL. To the--it is going to be within 3 inches, 5-7 to 5-10.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to his weight?
Mr. WORRELL. 155 to 165.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to his height?
Mr. WORRELL. 5-7, 5-10.
Mr. SPECTER. Pardon me, your best estimate as to his age.
Mr. WORRELL. Well, the way he was running, I would say he was in his
late twenties or middle--I mean early thirties. Because he was fast
moving on.
Mr. SPECTER. Of what race was he?
Mr. WORRELL. White.
Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the characteristics of his hair?
Mr. WORRELL. Black.