Mr. MARTIN. A woman's feeling.
Representative FORD. At that point had she been given or shown the
evidence that had been accumulated by various agencies of the Federal
Government?
Mr. MARTIN. I don't know. I assume she had through the FBI. The FBI
were showing her pictures and numerous things. I was not in on any of
the questioning at all.
Mr. DULLES. Had she read the papers or had them read to her as far as
you know at that period?
Mr. MARTIN. Some of them, yes.
Mr. DULLES. Newspapers, I mean.
Mr. MARTIN. Yes.
Representative FORD. From that first conversation you had with her
about this matter, the guilt of Lee Harvey Oswald, she has never
changed her mind?
Mr. MARTIN. No, and I have never heard her say anything other than he
was guilty.
Representative FORD. Did you ever discuss with Marina the conversation
she had with Lee Harvey Oswald at the Dallas police station the day he
was apprehended or the day following. Or at any time prior to his death?
Mr. MARTIN. The only time she said anything about it was that he told
her not to worry and to make sure and get the--get June a pair of shoes.
Representative FORD. She told you that is what he said to her?
Mr. MARTIN. That is what he said, yes.
Representative FORD. There was nothing extraordinary that she told you
about the conversation?
Mr. MARTIN. No, sir.
Representative FORD. Other than what you have indicated?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes. He said not to worry. Everything would be all right.
Representative FORD. Did you ever ask her about this conversation
that she had with Lee Harvey Oswald while he was at the Dallas police
station?
Mr. MARTIN. No.
Representative FORD. As her manager, as the manager of Marina, did you
have anything to do with the change of her appearance? Many people
have said to me the first picture they saw of her and the subsequent
pictures they saw of her she was wearing different kind of clothes. She
had a different hair-do, and so forth. Did you have anything to do with
that?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes.
Representative FORD. What was the purpose of that?
Mr. MARTIN. Just to change her general appearance so she wouldn't be
recognized when she went out.
Representative FORD. Did she agree to this, was she willing to do it?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes. She didn't like her haircut particularly.
Representative FORD. She liked the previous way it was?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes.
Representative FORD. How about the change in clothes, the type that she
wore?
Mr. MARTIN. Well, of course, that was for the better.
Representative FORD. Did she like it?
Mr. MARTIN. She liked the clothes, yes.
Representative FORD. That is all.
Mr. MARTIN. She tried makeup but that didn't work, because she couldn't
stand makeup.
Mr. REDLICH. We previously asked you, Mr. Martin, about various people
that Marina Oswald knew in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and you have
indicated the extent to which you knew them personally and the extent
to which they had contacted Marina Oswald during the time she was in
your home.
Are there any other friends of Marina Oswald's rather than those I have
asked you about that you--who attempted to contact her while she was
living at your home?
Mr. MARTIN. Ilya, I believe it is Mamatav or Mamantov--he is of the
Dallas Police Department and he has asked of her how she is.
Mr. REDLICH. Has he ever seen her, to the best of your knowledge other
than in an official capacity?
(At this point, Congressman Ford left the hearing room.)
Mr. MARTIN. Well, one time when we went to Sears, Sears Roebuck in
Dallas, and walked into the store he was walking and practically ran
into her, and they said hello and passed the time of day and he left.
Mr. REDLICH. There were no other friends of hers that you know about
who attempted to see her or call her while she was living at your home?
Other than those we have already discussed on the record? If I
mentioned the name of Mr. or Mrs. Teofil Meller--the first name is
Teofil, the last name is Meller.
Mr. MARTIN. Well, there was someone that called the office one day and
had a rather odd name, was that Meller, and said that Marina wanted to
talk to her, and we took it just for a crank call. She wouldn't leave
the number or anything like that. I am not sure whether that was Meller.
(Discussion off the record.)
(At this point, Senator Cooper entered the hearing room.)
Mr. MARTIN. There was no telephone number involved.
Mr. REDLICH. You have discussed at length the attempt of Ruth Paine to
see Mrs. Oswald. Did Mike Paine ever attempt to see Mrs. Oswald while
she was living at your home?
Mr. MARTIN. No.
Mr. REDLICH. Have you ever talked to Michael Paine?
Mr. MARTIN. No. When we went over to get the clothes, for instance, he
stood back--I don't believe he said anything at all. It was a very odd
situation. He was helping us move things but he didn't say anything.
Mr. REDLICH. Did Marina ever discuss Michael Paine with you?
Mr. MARTIN. No.
Mr. REDLICH. Only Ruth Paine but not Michael Paine?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes. She said they were separated.
Mr. REDLICH. Mr. Martin, did Marina ever discuss with you her husband's
desire to go to Cuba?
Mr. MARTIN. She said that he had wanted to go to Cuba because he
wanted--because he wasn't happy in Russia and he wasn't happy in the
United States and then she said he wouldn't be happy in Cuba either.
Mr. REDLICH. Did she ever discuss with you a plan to hi-jack a plane?
Mr. MARTIN. No.
Mr. REDLICH. Did she ever indicate what steps he was taking to get to
Cuba?
Mr. MARTIN. No. Not at all.
Mr. REDLICH. Do you have any knowledge at all of any plans he was
making to get to and live in Cuba?
Mr. MARTIN. No.
Mr. REDLICH. Mr. Ford has asked you about the conversations which
Marina had with Lee Oswald at the Dallas Police Station on November 23
and you have replied. I would like to ask you about any--your knowledge
about any conversation which Robert Oswald had with Lee Oswald while he
was in the custody of the Dallas Police prior to his death?
Mr. MARTIN. I have no knowledge at all of that.
Mr. REDLICH. You have never had any conversations with Robert Oswald
concerning his conversations with Lee Oswald.
Mr. MARTIN. No.
Mr. REDLICH. Have you ever talked to Mrs. Marguerite Oswald concerning
any conversations which she had with her son while he was in the
custody of the Dallas police?
Mr. MARTIN. No.
Mr. REDLICH. Have you had any conversations at all with Mrs. Marguerite
Oswald concerning the facts surrounding the assassination of President
Kennedy?
Mr. MARTIN. No, I don't think any direct conversation, I mean between
she and I. I was present at times out there at the Inn when she was
talking to this person or that person. But I don't believe I have had
any direct conversation with her at all.
Mr. REDLICH. Did Mrs. Marguerite Oswald ever discuss with you an
incident concerning a photograph which was supposed to have been shown
to her by agents of the FBI on November 23, 1963.
Mr. MARTIN. No, I have heard that through news media but that is the
only place I heard it.
Mr. REDLICH. You have no direct knowledge of that incident yourself.
Did Marina Oswald ever discuss that incident with you?
Mr. MARTIN. No.
Mr. REDLICH. Did Marina Oswald ever discuss with you her
mother-in-law's allegations that Lee Oswald was acting as an agent of
the United States Government?
Mr. MARTIN. No. She mentioned only one incident where the FBI came
to their house when they were in Oak Cliff, and they took him down
to the car, I believe he was about ready to sit down to dinner when
they arrived, and they took him down to the car and talked to him, and
Marina was upset because dinner was spoiling, and I think that is the
only reference she has made to anything like that.
Mr. REDLICH. She has never discussed with you the specific claims of
Marguerite Oswald in that respect?
Mr. MARTIN. No.
Mr. REDLICH. In the course of your conversations with Marina Oswald or
in the course of the preparation of any stories or releases on Mrs.
Oswald's behalf have you ever discussed with Mrs. Oswald the events of
November 21 and the morning of November 22?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. REDLICH. Could you relate those conversations to us?
Mr. MARTIN. He came home Thursday night, which was unusual.
Mr. REDLICH. Just so the record is clear, I hope you are relating to us
now what Marina Oswald has related to you and not what you have read in
any publication.
Mr. MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. REDLICH. All right.
Mr. MARTIN. And, let's see, this was sometime in December that she was
telling me this--no, I remember when it was, when she was moving from
the Inn to my home.