MR. W. W. GRENVILLE TO THE MARQUIS OF BUCKINGHAM.

Whitehall, March 6th, 1788.

My dear Brother,

I am very sorry to send you, in return for all your good news,

an account from hence of a very different nature. By one of

those strange caprices, to which our friends in the House of

Commons are so peculiarly liable, they have taken the alarm

about our explanatory East India Bill; and although that Bill

does no more than declare that to be the law which not only

every man who can think, but every man who can read, must agree

with you is already the law on that subject, they have suffered

themselves to be persuaded that we are doing neither more nor

less than assuming to ourselves all the power of Fox's Bill.

You must often have observed, that of all impressions the most

difficult to be removed, are those which have no reason whatever

to support them, because against them no reasoning can be

applied. Under one of these impressions; the question of the

Speaker's leaving the chair came on last night, and after

debating till seven this morning, we divided, in a majority of

only 57: Ayes, 183; Noes, 125. So many of our friends were

against us in this division, and that sort of impression runs so

strongly after such a display of weakness, that I have serious

apprehensions of our being beat either to-morrow on the report,

or Monday on the third reading. I need not tell you, that

besides much real inconvenience and embarrassment, with respect

to the measure itself, such a defeat would be in the highest

degree disreputable to Government, the personal opinions,

conduct and character of every leading man in the House of

Commons on our side being involved in this discussion. Add to

this the impression in the country, where the people will

certainly be persuaded that this House of Commons would not have

rejected such a Bill, except on just and solid grounds. We must,

however, weather it as well as we can, and submit to the

consequences of an evil which, I think, you will agree with me

it was not easy to foresee. What hurt us, I believe, materially

last night was that Pitt, who had reserved himself to answer

Fox, was, just at the close of a very able speech of Fox's,

taken so ill as not to be able to speak at all, so that the

House went to the division with the whole impression of our

adversaries' arguments, in a great degree, unanswered. I had

spoken early in the debate, and Dundas just before Fox. I think

this is the most unpleasant thing of the sort that has happened

to us; but I console myself with recollecting how many similar

disasters we have surmounted. I have seen nobody this morning

but apprehend that we shall certainly go on with the Bill, as

nothing, I think, would be saved by withdrawing it.

Till within this last day or two I have been much out of order,

and this, added to the hurry of this business for the last week,

has made it impossible for me to get an answer to your queries.

I fear it will be impossible for me to do it before Tuesday, but

you may depend upon my exerting myself as much as I can.

I do not agree at all with what I understand from Young to be

your opinion on the reduction of interest; holding with Smith,

that the hire of money, like that of any other commodity, will

find its level, and going even beyond him in thinking the

grounds on which he states such a measure to be sometimes

justifiable, such as will not support him on his own principles.

I have also a doubt, but of that you are a much better judge

than I can be, whether it is often desirable to hold a

neutrality on the part of Government with respect to such

questions. That, however, depends on circumstances, and I can

easily conceive such as would make that the only line you could

prudently adopt.

This has been the most sickly of all seasons with us. Jemmy has

been very ill, and is not recovered, though, I trust, entirely

out of all danger. Hester has also been seriously ill, but is

out again. I agree most entirely with Fitzgibbon, in reprobating

that some _lex et consuetudo_ Parliament, which is to supersede

the good old common law of the land. Fox's whole conduct and

language has been singularly indecent.

Ever most affectionately yours,

W. W. G.

It will be seen that Mr. Grenville complains of the failure, on the part

of the friends of the Government, in answering the arguments of the

Opposition. Amongst those whose talents raised the highest expectations,

only to be disappointed in the moment of debate by want of resolution,

was Lord Mornington--subsequently distinguished by the brilliancy and

solidity of his orations. Mr. Grenville elsewhere alludes to Lord

Mornington's intention of speaking from day to day, which he fears he

will suffer the session to pass over without carrying into execution,

and begs of Lord Buckingham to write to him urgently on the subject.

Lord Bulkeley gives a less dignified version of Mr. Pitt's retreat from

the discussion on this occasion, and, in his usual rattling way, runs on

about the prominent topics of the hour. In this letter some names appear

which were afterwards destined for a wide celebrity, more especially

those of "a Mr. Tierney" and "young Grey."

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