NEW LABOUR MOVEMENTS (1885).

=Source.=--_The Times_, January 31.

_Industrial Remuneration Conference._

Yesterday the delegates held their concluding sitting at Prince's

Hall, Piccadilly, when the subject set down for discussion was:

Would the more general distribution of capital or land, or the

State management of capital or land, promote or impair the

production of wealth and the welfare of the community?...

The discussion on the papers was begun by Mr. Williams (Social

Democratic Federation), who said that if they left all the

machinery, all the railways, and all the mines in the hands of the

rich capitalists, the working classes would still continue to be

oppressed. They must either say that the Government had no right

to interfere with anything, or they must admit that the State

must equally interfere between the landlord, the capitalist, and

the labourer. He compared the part played by politicians like Mr.

Chamberlain, who directed their attacks exclusively against the

landlords, and spared the rich capitalists, to that sustained by

the Artful Dodger in "Oliver Twist."

Mr. B. Shaw (Fabian Society) said he had no desire to give pain

to the burglar--if any of that trade were in the room--or to the

landlord or the capitalist, pure and simple; all he could say was

that all three belonged to the same class, and that the injury each

inflicted on the community was precisely of the same nature.

[NOTE.--The Social Democratic Federation had been founded in 1881;

the Fabian Society, a few weeks before this conference met.]

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