_X_. Assuredly, without a farthing of reimbursement: it is Mr.

Ricardo's doctrine that no variation in either profits or wages can

ever affect the price; if wages rise or fall, the only consequence is,

that profits must fall or rise by the same sum; so again, if profits

rise or fall, wages must fall or rise accordingly.

_Phæd_. You mean, then, to assert that, when the value of the

labor rises (as in the first of your two cases) by three shillings,

this rise must be paid out of the six shillings which had previously

gone to profits.

_X_. I do; and your reason for questioning this opinion is, I am

sure, because you think that no capitalist would consent to have his

profits thus diminished, but would liberate himself from this increased

expense by charging it upon the price. Now, if I prove that he cannot

liberate himself in this way, and that it is a matter of perfect

indifference to him whether the price rises or not, because in either

case he must lose the three shillings, I suppose that I shall have

removed the sole ground you have for opposing me.

_Phæd_. You are right: prove this, X., "et eris mihi magnus

Apollo."

_X_. Tell me, then, Phædrus, when the value of labor rises--in

other words, when wages rise--what is it that causes them to rise?

_Phæd_. Ay, what is it that causes them, as you say? I should be

glad to hear your opinion on that subject.

_X_. My opinion is, that there are only two [Footnote: There is

another case in which wages have a constant tendency to rise--namely,

when the population increases more slowly than the demand for labor.

But this case it is not necessary to introduce into the dialogue:

first, because it is gradual and insensible in its operation; secondly,

because, if it were otherwise, it would not disturb any part of the

argument.] great cases in which wages rise, or seem to rise:

1. When money sinks in value; for then, of course, the laborer must

have more wages nominally, in order to have the same virtually. But

this is obviously nothing more than an apparent rise.

2. When those commodities rise upon which wages are spent. A rise in

port wine, in jewels, or in horses, will not affect wages, because

these commodities are not consumed by the laborer; but a rise in

manufactured goods of certain kinds, upon which perhaps two fifths of

his wages are spent, will tend to raise wages: and a rise in certain

kinds of food, upon which perhaps the other three fifths are spent,

will raise them still more. Now, the first case being only an apparent

rise, this is the only case in which wages can be said really to rise.

_Phæd_. You are wrong, X.; I can tell you of a third case which

occurs to me whilst you are speaking. Suppose that there were a great

deficiency of laborers in any trade,--as in the hatter's trade, for

instance,--that would be a reason why wages should rise in the hatter's

trade.

_X_. Doubtless, until the deficiency were supplied, which it soon

would be by the stimulus of higher wages. But this is a case of market

value, when the supply happens to be not on a level with the demand:

now, throughout the present conversation I wish studiously to keep

clear of any reference to market value, and to consider exclusively

that mode of exchangeable value which is usually called natural value--

that is, where value is wholly uninfluenced by any redundancy or

deficiency of the quantity. Waiving this third case, therefore, as not

belonging to the present discussion, there remains only the second; and

I am entitled to say that no cause can really and permanently raise

wages but a rise in the price of those articles on which wages are

spent. In the instance above stated, where the hatter's wages rose from

three shillings to three shillings and nine pence a day, some commodity

must previously have risen on which the hatter spent his wages. Let

this be corn, and let corn constitute one half of the hatter's

expenditure; on which supposition, as his wages rose by twenty-five per

cent., it follows that corn must have risen by fifty per cent. Now,

tell me, Phædrus, will this rise in the value of corn affect the

hatter's wages only, or will it affect wages in general?

_Phæd_. Wages in general, of course: there can be no reason why

hatters should eat more corn than any other men.

_X_. Wages in general, therefore, will rise by twenty-five per

cent. Now, when the wages of the hatter rose in that proportion, you

contended that this rise must be charged upon the price of hats; and

the price of a hat having been previously eighteen shillings, you

insisted that it must now be twenty-one shillings; in which case a rise

in wages of twenty-five per cent, would have raised the price of hats

about sixteen and one half per cent. And, if this were possible, two

great doctrines of Mr. Ricardo would have been overthrown at one blow:

1st, that which maintains that no article can increase in price except

from a previous increase in the quantity of labor necessary to its

production: for here is no increase in the _quantity_ of the

labor, but simply in its value; 2d, that no rise in the value of labor

can ever settle upon price; but that all increase of wages will be paid

out of profits, and all increase of profits out of wages. I shall now,

however, extort a sufficient defence of Mr. Ricardo from your own

concessions. For you acknowledge that the same cause which raises the

wages of the hatter will raise wages universally, and in the same

ratio--that is, by twenty-five per cent. And, if such a rise in wages

could raise the price of hats by sixteen and one half per cent., it

must raise all other commodities whatsoever by sixteen and one half per

cent. Now, tell me, Phædrus, when all commodities without exception are

raised by sixteen arid one half per cent., in what proportion will the

power of money be diminished under every possible application of it?

_Phæd_. Manifestly by sixteen and one half per cent.

_X_. If so, Phædrus, you must now acknowledge that it is a matter

of perfect indifference to the hatter whether the price of hats rise or

not, since he cannot under any circumstances escape the payment of the

three shillings. If the price should _not_ rise (as assuredly it

will not), he pays the three shillings directly; if the price were to

rise by three shillings, this implies of necessity that prices rise

universally (for it would answer no purpose of your argument to

suppose that hatters escaped an evil which affected all other trades).

Now, if prices rise universally, the hatter undoubtedly escapes the

direct payment of the three shillings, but he pays it indirectly;

inasmuch as one hundred and sixteen pounds and ten shillings is now

become necessary to give him the same command of labor and commodities

which was previously given by one hundred pounds. Have you any answer

to these deductions?

_Phæd_. I must confess I have none.

_X_. If so, and no answer is possible, then I have here given you

a demonstration of Mr. Ricardo's great law: That no product of labor

whatsoever can be affected in value by any variations in the

_value_ of the producing labor. But, if not by variations in its

value, then of necessity by variations in its quantity, for no other

variations are possible.

_Phæd_. But at first sight, you know, variations in the

_value_ of labor appear to affect the value of its product: yet

you have shown that the effect of such variations is defeated, and

rendered nugatory in the end. Now, is it not possible that some such

mode of argument may be applied to the case of variations in the

_quantity_ of labor?

_X_. By no means: the reason why all variations in the _value_

of labor are incapable of transferring themselves to the value

of its product is this: that these variations extend to all kinds

of labor, and therefore to all commodities alike. Now, that which

raises or depresses all things equally leaves their relations to each

other undisturbed. In order to disturb the relations of value between

A, B, and C, I must raise one at the same time that I do _not_

raise another; depress one, and _not_ depress another; raise or

depress them unequally. This is necessarily done by any variations in

the _quantity_ of labor. For example, when more or less labor

became requisite for the production of hats, that variation could not

fail to affect the value of hats, for the variation was confined

exclusively to hats, and arose out of some circumstance peculiar to

hats; and no more labor was on that account requisite for the

production of gloves, or wine, or carriages. Consequently, these and

all other articles remaining unaffected, whilst hats required twenty-

five per cent more labor, the previous relation between hats and all

other commodities was disturbed; that is, a _real_ effect was

produced on the value of hats. Whereas, when hats, without requiring a

greater quantity of labor, were simply produced by labor at a higher

value, this change could not possibly disturb the relation between hats

and any other commodities, because they were all equally affected by

it. If, by some application of any mechanic or chemical discovery to

the process of making candles, the labor of that process were

diminished by one third, the value of candles would fall; for the

relation of candles to all other articles, in which no such abridgment

of labor had been effected, would be immediately altered: two days'

labor would now produce the same quantity of candles as three days'

labor before the discovery. But if, on the other hand, the wages of

three days had simply fallen in value to the wages of two days,--that

is, if the laborer received only six shillings for three days, instead

of nine shillings,--this could not affect the value of candles; for the

fall of wages, extending to all other things whatsoever, would leave

the relations between them all undisturbed; everything else which had

required nine shillings' worth of labor would now require six

shillings' worth; and a pound of candles would exchange for the same

quantity of everything as before. Hence, it appears that no cause can

possibly affect the value of anything--that is, its exchangeable

relation to other things--but an increase or diminution in the quantity

of labor required for its production: and the prices of all things

whatsoever represent the quantity of labor by which they are severally

produced; and the value of A is to the value of B universally as the

quantity of labor which produces A to the quantity of labor which

produces B.

* * * * *

Here, then, is the great law of value as first explained by Mr.

Ricardo. Adam Smith uniformly takes it for granted that an alteration

in the quantity of labor, and an alteration in wages (that is, the

value of labor), are the same thing, and will produce the same effects;

and, hence, he never distinguishes the two cases, but everywhere uses

the two expressions as synonymous. If A, which had hitherto required

sixteen shillings' worth of labor for its production, should to-morrow

require only twelve shillings' worth, Adam Smith would have treated it

as a matter of no importance whether this change had arisen from some

discovery in the art of manufacturing A, which reduced the quantity of

labor required from four days to three, or simply from some fall in

wages which reduced the value of a day's labor from four shillings to

three shillings. Yet, in the former case, A would fall considerably in

price as soon as the discovery ceased to be monopolized; whereas, in

the latter case, we have seen that A could not possibly vary in price

by one farthing.

_Phæd_. In what way do you suppose that Adam Smith came to make so

great an oversight, as I now confess it to be?

_X_. Mr. Malthus represents Adam Smith as not having sufficiently

explained himself on the subject. "He does not make it quite clear,"

says Mr. Malthus, "whether he adopts for his principle of value the

quantity of the producing labor or its value." But this is a most

erroneous representation. There is not a chapter in the "Wealth of

Nations" in which it is not made redundantly clear that Adam Smith

adopts both laws as mere varieties of expression for one and the same

law. This being so, how could he possibly make an election between two

things which he constantly confounded and regarded as identical? The

truth is, Adam Smith's attention was never directed to the question: he

suspected no distinction; no man of his day, or before his day, had

ever suspected it; none of the French or Italian writers on Political

Economy had ever suspected it; indeed, none of them have suspected it

to this hour. One single writer before Mr. Ricardo has insisted on the

_quantity_ of labor as the true ground of value; and, what is very

singular, at a period when Political Economy was in the rudest state,

namely, in the early part of Charles II's reign. This writer was Sir

William Petty, a man who would have greatly advanced the science if he

had been properly seconded by his age. In a remarkable passage, too

long for quotation, he has expressed the law of value with a Ricardian

accuracy: but it is scarcely possible that even he was aware of his own

accuracy; for, though he has asserted that the reason why any two

articles exchange for each other (as so much corn of Europe, suppose,

for so much silver of Peru) is because the same quantity of labor has

been employed on their production; and, though he has certainly not

vitiated the purity of this principle by the usual heteronomy (if you

will allow me a learned word),--that is, by the introduction of the

other and opposite law derived from the _value_ of this labor,--

yet, it is probable that in thus abstaining he was guided by mere

accident, and not by any conscious purpose of contradistinguishing the

one law from the other; because, had _that_ been his purpose, he

would hardly have contented himself with forbearing to affirm, but

would formally have denied the false law. For it can never be

sufficiently impressed upon the student's mind, that it brings him not

one step nearer to the truth to say that the value of A is determined

by the quantity of labor which produces it, unless by that proposition

he means that it is _not_ determined by the _value_ of the

labor which produces it.

To return to Adam Smith: not only has he "made it quite clear" that he

confounded the two laws, and had never been summoned to examine whether

they led to different results, but I go further, and will affirm that

if he had been summoned to such an examination, he could not have

pursued it with any success until the discovery of the true law of

Profits. For, in the case of the hats, as before argued, he would have

said, "The wages of the hatter, whether they have been augmented by

increased quantity of labor, or by increased value of labor, must, in

any case, be paid." Now, what is the answer? They must be paid, but

from what fund? Adam Smith knew of no fund, nor could know of any,

until Mr. Ricardo had ascertained the true law of Profits, except

Price: in either case, therefore, as Political Economy then stood, he

was compelled to conclude that the fifteen shillings would be paid out

of the price,--that is, that the whole difference between the twelve

shillings and the fifteen shillings would settle upon the purchaser.

But we now know that this will happen only in the case when the

difference has arisen from increased labor; and that every farthing of

the difference which arises from increased value of labor will be paid

out of another fund, namely, Profits. But this conclusion could not be

arrived at without the new theory of Profits (as will be seen more

fully when we come to that theory); and thus one error was the

necessary parent of another.

Here I will pause, and must beg you to pardon my long speeches in

consideration of the extreme importance of the subject; for everything

in Political Economy depends, as I said before, on the law of value;

and I have not happened to meet with one writer who seemed fully to

understand Mr. Ricardo's law, and still less who seemed to perceive the

immense train of consequences which it involves.

_Phæd_. I now see enough to believe that Mr. Ricardo is right;

and, if so, it is clear that all former writers are wrong. Thus far I

am satisfied with your way of conducting the argument, though some

little confusion still clouds my view. But, with regard to the

consequences you speak of, how do you explain that under so fundamental

an error (as you represent it) many writers, but above all Adam Smith,

should have been able to deduce so large a body of truth, that we

regard him as one of the chief benefactors to the science?

_X_. The fact is, that his good sense interfered everywhere to

temper the extravagant conclusions into which a severe logician could

have driven him. [Footnote: The "Wealth of Nations" has never yet been

ably reviewed, nor satisfactorily edited. The edition of Mr. Buchanan

is unquestionably the best, and displays great knowledge of Political

Economy as it stood before the revolution effected by Mr. Ricardo. But

having the misfortune to appear immediately before that revolution, it

is already to some degree an obsolete book. Even for its own date,

however, it was not good as an edition of Adam Smith, its value lying

chiefly in the body of original disquisitions which composed the fourth

volume; for the notes not only failed to correct the worst errors of

Adam Smith (which, indeed, in many cases is saying no more than that

Mr. Buchanan did not forestall Mr. Ricardo), but were also deficient in

the history of English finance, and generally in the knowledge of

facts. How much reason there is to call for a new edition, with a

commentary adapted to the existing state of the science, will appear on

this consideration: the "Wealth of Nations" is the text-book resorted

to by all students of Political Economy. One main problem of this

science, if not the main problem (as Mr. Ricardo thinks), is to

determine the laws which regulate Rents, Profits, and Wages; but

everybody who is acquainted with the present state of the science must

acknowledge that precisely on these three points it affords "very

little satisfactory information." These last words are the gentle

criticism of Mr. Ricardo: but the truth is, that not only does it

afford very little information on the great heads of Rent, Profits, and

Wages, but (which is much worse) it gives very false and misleading

information.

P. S. _September_ 27, 1854.--It is suggested to me by a friend,

that in this special notice of Mr. Buchanan's edition, I shall be

interpreted as having designed some covert reflection upon the edition

of Adam Smith published by Mr. M'Culloch. My summary answer to any such

insinuation is, that this whole paper was written in the spring of

1824, that is, thirty and a half years ago: at which time, to the best

of my knowledge, Mr. M'Culloch had not so much as meditated any such

edition. Let me add, that if I had seen or fancied any reason for a

criticism unfriendly to Mr. M'Culloch, or to any writer whatever, I

should not have offered it indirectly, but openly, frankly, and in the

spirit of liberal candor due to an honorable contemporary.] At this

very day, a French and an English economist have reared a Babel of far

more elaborate errors on this subject; M. Say, I mean, and Mr. Malthus:

both ingenious writers, both eminently illogical,--especially the

latter, with whose "confusion worse confounded" on the subject of

Value, if reviewed by some unsparing Rhadamanthus of logical justice, I

believe that chaos would appear a model of order and light. Yet the

very want of logic, which has betrayed these two writers into so many

errors, has befriended them in escaping from their consequences; for

they leap with the utmost agility over all obstacles to any conclusions

which their good sense points out to them as just, however much at war

with their own premises. With respect to the confusion which you

complain of as still clinging to the subject, this naturally attends

the first efforts of the mind to disjoin two ideas which have

constantly been regarded as one. But, as we advance in our discussions,

illustration and proof will gradually arise from all quarters, to the

great principle of Mr. Ricardo which we have just been considering;

besides which, this principle is itself so much required for the

illustration and proof of other principles, that the mere practice of

applying it will soon sharpen your eye to a steady familiarity with all

its aspects.

* * * * *

DIALOGUE THE SECOND.

REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM.

_Phil_. X., I see, is not yet come: I hope he does not mean to

break his appointment, for I have a design upon him. I have been

considering his argument against the possibility of any change in price

arising out of a change in the value of labor, and I have detected a

flaw in it which he can never get over. I have him, sir--I have him as

fast as ever spider had a fly.

_Phæd_. Don't think it, my dear friend: you are a dexterous

_retiarius_; but a gladiator who is armed with Ricardian weapons

will cut your net to pieces. He is too strong in his cause, as I am

well satisfied from what passed yesterday. He'll slaughter you,--to use

the racy expression of a friend of mine in describing the redundant

power with which one fancy boxer disposed of another,--he'll slaughter

you "with ease and affluence." But here he comes.--Well, X., you're

just come in time. Philebus says that you are a fly, whilst _he_

is a murderous spider, and that he'll slaughter you with "ease and

affluence;" and, all things considered, I am inclined to think he will.

_Phil_. Phædrus does not report the matter quite accurately;

however, it is true that I believe myself to have detected a fatal

error in your argument of yesterday on the case of the hat; and it is

this: When the value of labor rose by twenty-five per cent., you

contended that this rise would be paid out of profits. Now, up to a

certain limit this may be possible; beyond that it is impossible. For

the price of the hat was supposed to be eighteen shillings: and the

price of the labor being assumed originally at twelve shillings;--

leaving six shillings for profits,--it is very possible that a rise in

wages of no more than three shillings may be paid out of these profits.

But, as this advance in wages increases, it comes nearer and nearer to

that point at which it will be impossible for profits to pay it; since,

let the advance once reach the whole six shillings, and all motive for

producing hats will be extinguished; and let it advance to seven

shillings, there will in that case be no fund at all left out of which

the seventh shilling can be paid, even if the capitalist were disposed

to relinquish all his profits. Now, seriously, you will hardly maintain

that the hat could not rise to the price of nineteen shillings--or of

any higher sum?

_X_. Recollect, Philebus, what it is that I maintain; assuredly

the hat may rise to the price of nineteen shillings, or of any higher

sum, but not as a consequence of the cause you assign. Taking your

case, I _do_ maintain that it is impossible the hat should exceed,

or even reach, eighteen shillings. When I say eighteen shillings,

however, you must recollect that the particular sum of twelve shillings

for labor, and six shillings for profits, were taken only for the sake

of illustration; translating the sense of the proposition into

universal forms, what I assert is, that the rise in the value of the

labor can go no further than the amount of profits will allow it:

profits swallowed up, there will remain no fund out of which an

increase of wages can be paid, and the production of hats will cease.

_Phil_. This is the sense in which I understood you; and in this

sense I wish that you would convince me that the hat could not, under

the circumstances supposed, advance to nineteen shillings or twenty

shillings.

_X_. Perhaps, in our conversation on _Wages_, you will see

this more irresistibly; you yourself will then shrink from affirming

the possibility of such an advance as from an obvious absurdity;

meantime, here is a short demonstration of it, which I am surprised

that Mr. Ricardo did not use as the strongest and most compendious mode

of establishing his doctrine.

Let it be possible that the hat may advance to nineteen shillings; or,

to express this more generally, from _x_ (or eighteen shillings)--

which it was worth before the rise in wages--to _x_ + _y_;

that is to say, the hat will now be worth _x_ + _y_ quantity

of money--having previously been worth no more than _x_. That is

your meaning?

_Phil_. It is.

_X_. And if in money, of necessity in everything else; because

otherwise, if the hat were worth more money only, but more of nothing

besides, that would simply argue that money had fallen in value; in

which case undoubtedly the hat might rise in any proportion that money

fell; but, then, without gaining any increased value, which is

essential to your argument.

_Phil_. Certainly; if in money, then in everything else.

_X_. Therefore, for instance, in gloves; having previously been

worth four pair of buckskin gloves, the hat will now be worth four pair

+ _y_?

_Phil_. It will.

_X_. But, Philebus, either the rise in wages is universal or it is

not universal. If not universal, it must be a case of accidental rise

from mere scarcity of hands; which is the case of a rise in

_market_ value; and that is not the case of Mr. Ricardo, who is

laying down the laws of _natural_ value. It is, therefore,

universal; but, if universal, the gloves from the same cause will have

risen from the value of _x_ to _x_ + _y_.

Hence, therefore, the price of the hat, estimated in gloves, is =

_x_ + _y_.

And again, the price of the gloves, estimated in hats, is = _x_ +

_y_.

In other words, H - _y_ = _x_.

H + _y_ = _x_.

That is to say, H - _y_ = H + _y_.

_Phæd_. Which, I suppose, is an absurdity; and, in fact, it turns

out, Philebus, that he has slaughtered you with "ease and affluence."

_X_. And this absurdity must be eluded by him who undertakes to

show that a rise in the wages of labor can be transferred to the value

of its product.

* * * * *

DIALOGUE THE THIRD.

[Et æquiori sane animo feres, cum hic de primis agatur principiis, si

superstitiose omnia examinavi,--viamque quasi palpando singulaque

curiosius contrectando, lente me promovi et testudineo gradu. Video

enim ingenium humanum ita comparatum esse--ut facilius longe quid

_consequens_ sit dispiciat, quam quid in naturà _primo_

verum; nostramque omnium conditionem non multum ab illà Archimedis

abludere--_Aos æe so kai koiso tæn gæn_. Ubi primum figamus pedem,

inveniro multo magis satagimus, quam (ubi inveninius) ulterius

progredi.--_Henricus Morus in Epist. ad Cartesium._]

PRINCIPLE OF VALUE CONTINUED.

_Phæd_. In our short conversation of yesterday, X., you parried an

objection brought forward by Philebus in a way which I thought

satisfactory. You reduced him to an absurdity, or what seemed such. In

fact, I did verily believe that you had slaughtered Philebus; and so I

told him. But we have since reconsidered the matter, and have settled

it between ourselves that your answer will not do; that your

"absurdity," in fact, is a very absurd absurdity. Philebus will tell

you why. I, for my part, shall have enough to do to take care of a

little argument of my own, which is designed to meet something that

passed in our first dialogue. Now, my private conviction is, that both

I and Philebus shall be cudgelled; I am satisfied that such will be the

issue of the business. And my reason for thinking so is this,--that I

already see enough to discern a character of boldness and determination

in Mr. Ricardo's doctrines which needs no help from sneaking

equivocations, and this with me is a high presumption that he is in the

right. In whatever rough way his theories are tossed about, they seem

always, like a cat, to light upon their legs. But, notwithstanding

this, as long as there is a possibility that he may be in the wrong, I

shall take it for granted that he is, and do my best to prove him so.

_X_. For which, Phædrus, I shall feel greatly indebted to you. We

are told of Trajan, that, in the camp exercises, he not only tolerated

hard blows, but courted them; "alacer virtute militum, et lætus quoties

aut cassidi suæ aut clypeo gravior ictus incideret. Laudabat quippe

ferientes, hortabaturque ut auderent." When one of our theatres let

down an iron curtain upon the stage as a means of insulating the

audience from any fire amongst the scenery, and sent men to prove the

strength of this curtain by playing upon it with sledge-hammers in the

sight and hearing of the public, who would not have laughed at the

hollowness of the mummery, if the blows had been gentle, considerate,

and forbearing? A "make-believe" blow would have implied a "make-

believe" hammer and a "make-believe" curtain. No!--hammer away, like

Charles Martel; "fillip me with a three-man beetle;" be to me a

_malleus hæreticorum_; come like Spenser's Talus--an iron man with

an iron flail, and thresh out the straw of my logic; rack me; put me to

the question; get me down; jump upon me; kick me; throttle me; put an

end to me in any way you can.

_Phæd_. I will, I will, my dear friend; anything to oblige you;

anything for peace. So now tie yourself to the stake, whilst we bait

you. And you begin, Philebus; unmuzzle.

_Phil_. I shall be brief. The case of the hat is what I stand

upon; and, by the way, I am much obliged to you, X., for having stated

the question in that shape; it has furnished me with a very manageable

formula for recalling the principle at issue. The wages alter from two

different causes--in one case, because there is the same quantity of

labor at a different rate; in another case, because there is a

different quantity at the same rate. In the latter case, it is agreed

that the alteration settles upon price; in the former case you affirm

that it will _not_: I affirm that it will. I bring an argument to

prove it; which argument you attempt to parry by another. But in this

counter argument of yours it strikes me that there lurks a _petitio

principii_. Indeed, I am sure of it. For observe the course of our

reasoning. I charge it upon your doctrine as an absurd consequence--

that, if the increase of wages must be paid out of profits, then this

fund will at length be eaten out; and as soon as it is, there will be

no fund at all for paying any further increase; and the production must

cease. Now, what in effect is your answer? Why, that as soon as profits

are all eaten up, the production _will_ cease. And this you call

reducing me to an absurdity. But where is the absurdity? Your answer

is, in fact, an identical proposition; for, when you say, "_As soon

as_ profits are absorbed," I retort, Ay, no doubt "_as soon_"

as they are; but when will that be? It requires no Ricardo to tell us

that, _when_ profits are absorbed, they will be absorbed; what I

deny is, that they ever _can_ be absorbed. For, as fast as wages

increase, what is to hinder price from increasing _pari passu_? In

which case profits will _never_ be absorbed. It is easy enough to

prove that price will not increase, if you may assume that profits will

not remain stationary. For then you have assumed the whole point in

dispute; and after _that_, of course you have the game in your own

hands; since it is self-evident that if anybody is made up of two parts

P and W, so adjusted that all which is gained by either must be lost by

the other, then _that_ body can never increase.

_Phæd_. Nor decrease.

_Phil_. No, nor decrease. If my head must of necessity lose as

much weight as my trunk gains, and _vice versa_, then it is a

clear case that I shall never be heavier. But why cannot my head remain

stationary, whilst my trunk grows heavier? This is what you had to

prove, and you have not proved it.

_Phæd_. O! it's scandalous to think how he has duped us; his

"_reductio_" turns out to the merest swindling.

_X_. No, Phædrus, I beg your pardon. It is very true I did not

attempt to prove that your head might not remain stationary; I could

not have proved this _directly_, without anticipating a doctrine

out of its place; but I proved it _indirectly_, by showing that,

if it were supposed possible, an absurdity would follow from that

supposition. I said, and I say again, that the doctrine of wages will

show the very supposition itself to be absurd; but, until we come to

that doctrine, I content myself with proving that, let that supposition

seem otherwise ever so reasonable (the supposition, namely, that

profits may be stationary whilst wages are advancing), yet it draws

after it one absurd consequence, namely, that a thing may be bigger

than that to which it is confessedly equal. Look back to the notes of

our conversation, and you will see that this is as I say. You say,

Philebus, that I prove profits in a particular case to be incapable of

remaining stationary, by assuming that price cannot increase; or, if I

am called upon to prove that assumption--namely, that price cannot

increase--I do it only by assuming that profits in that case are

incapable of remaining stationary. But, if I had reasoned thus, I

should not only have been guilty of a _petitio principii_ (as you

alleged), but also of a circle. Here, then, I utterly disclaim and

renounce either assumption: I do not ask you to grant me that price

must continue stationary in the case supposed; I do not ask you to

grant me that profits must recede in the case supposed. On the

contrary, I will not have them granted to me; I insist on your refusing

both of these principles.

_Phil_. Well, I _do_ refuse them.

_Phæd_. So do I. I'll do anything in reason as well as another.

"If one knight give a testril--" [Footnote: Sir Andrew Aguecheek, in

"Twelfth Night."]

_X_. Then let us suppose the mines from which we obtain our silver

to be in England.

_Phæd_. What for? Why am I to suppose this? I don't know but you

have some trap in it.

_X_. No; a Newcastle coal-mine, or a Cornwall tin-mine, will

answer the purpose of my argument just as well. But it is more

convenient to use silver as the illustration; and I suppose it to be in

England simply to avoid intermixing any question about foreign trade.

Now, when the hat sold for eighteen shillings, on Mr. Ricardo's

principle why did it sell for that sum?

_Phil_. I suppose, because the quantity of silver in that sum is

assumed to be the product of four days' labor in a silver-mine.

_X_. Certainly; because it is the product of the same quantity of

labor as that which produced the hat. Calling twenty shillings,

therefore, four ounces of silver, the hat was worth nine tenths of four

ounces. Now, when wages advance from twelve shillings to fourteen

shillings, profits (you allege) will not pay this advance, but price.

On this supposition the price of the hat will now be--what?

_Phil_. Twenty shillings; leaving, as before, six shillings for

profit.

_X_. Six shillings upon fourteen shillings are not the same

_rate_ of profit as six shillings upon twelve shillings; but no

matter; it does not affect the argument. The hat is now worth four

entire ounces of silver, having previously been worth four ounces

_minus_ a tenth of four ounces. But the product of four days'

labor in a silver-mine must also advance in value, for the same cause.

Four ounces of silver, which is that product, will now have the same

power or value as 22.22_s_. had before. Consequently the four

ounces of silver, which had previously commanded in exchange a hat and

the ninth of a hat, will now command a hat and two ninths, fractions

neglected. Hence, therefore, a hat will, upon any Anti-Ricardian

theory, manifestly buy four ounces of silver; and yet, at the same

time, it will not buy four ounces by one fifth part of four ounces.

Silver and the denominations of its qualities, being familiar, make it

more convenient to use that metal; but substitute lead, iron, coal, or

anything whatsoever--the argument is the same, being in fact a

universal demonstration that variations in wages cannot produce

corresponding variations in price.

_Phæd_. Say no more, X.; I see that you are right; and it's all

over with our cause; unless I retrieve it. To think that the whole

cause of the Anti-Ricardian economy should devolve upon me! that fate

should ordain me to be the Atlas on whose unworthy shoulders the whole

system is to rest! This being my destiny, I ought to have been built a

little stronger. However, no matter. I heartily pray that I may prove

too strong for you; though, at the same time, I am convinced I shall

not. Remember, therefore, that you have no right to exult if you toss

and gore me, for I tell you beforehand that you will. And, if you do,

that only proves me to be in the right, and a very sagacious person;

since my argument has all the appearance of being irresistible, and yet

such is my discernment that I foresee most acutely that it will turn

out a most absurd one. It is this: your answer to Philebus issues in

this--that a thing A is shown to be at once more valuable and yet not

more valuable than the same thing B. Now, this answer I take by the

horns; it is possible for A to be more and yet not more valuable than

the same thing. For example, my hat shall be more valuable than the

gloves; more valuable, that is, than the gloves were: and yet not more

valuable than the gloves; not more valuable, that is, than the gloves

now are. So of the wages; all things preserve their former relations,

because all are equally raised. This is my little argument. What do you

think of it? Will it do?

_X_. No.

_Phæd_. Why, so I told you.

_X_. I have the pleasure, then, to assure you that you were

perfectly right. It will _not_ do. But I understand you perfectly.

You mean to evade my argument that the increase of wages shall settle

upon profits; according to this argument, it will settle upon price,

and not upon profits; yet again on price in such a way as to escape the

absurdity of two relations of value existing between the very same

things. But, Phædrus, this rise will be a mere metaphysical one, and no

real rise. The hat, you say, has risen; but still it commands no more

of the gloves, because they also have risen. How, then, has either

risen? The rise is purely ideal.

_Phæd_. It is so, X.; but that I did not overlook; for tell me--on

Mr. Ricardo's principle, will not all things double their value

simultaneously, if the quantity of labor spent in producing all should

double simultaneously?

_X_. It will, Phædrus.

_Phæd_. And yet nothing will exchange for more or less than

before.

_X_. True; but the rise is not ideal, for all that, but will

affect everybody. A pound of wheat, which previously bought three

pounds of salt, will still buy three pounds; but, then, the salt-maker

and the wheat-maker will have only one pound of those articles where

before he had two. However, the difference between the two cases cannot

fully be understood, without a previous examination of certain

distinctions, which I will make the subject of our next dialogue; and

the rather, because, apart from our present question, at every step we

should else be embarrassed, as all others have been, by the perplexity

attending these distinctions. Meantime, as an answer to your argument,

the following consideration will be quite sufficient. The case which

your argument respects is that in which wages are supposed to rise?

Why? In consequence of a _real_ rise in corn or something else. As

a means of meeting this rise, wages rise; but the increased value of

wages is only a means to an end, and the laborer cares about the rise

only in that light. The end is--to give him the same quantity of corn,

suppose. That end attained, he cares nothing about the means by which

it is attained. Now, your ideal rise of wages does not attain this end.

The corn has _really_ risen; this is the first step. In

consequence of this, an ideal rise follows in all things, which evades

the absurdities of a real rise--and evades the Ricardian doctrine of

profits; but, then, only by also evading any real rise in wages, the

necessity of which (in order to meet the real rise in corn) first led

to the whole movement of price. But this you will more clearly see

after our next dialogue.

* * * * *

DIALOGUE THE FOURTH.

ON THE USE AND ABUSE OF TWO CELEBRATED DISTINCTIONS IN THE THEORY OF

VALUE.

_X_. Now, gentlemen, I come to a question which on a double

account is interesting: first, because it is indispensable to the

fluency of our future progress that this question should be once for

all decided; secondly, because it furnishes an _experimentum

crucis_ for distinguishing a true knowledge of Mr. Ricardo's theory

from a spurious or half-knowledge. Many a man will accompany Mr.

Ricardo thus far, and will keep his seat pretty well until he comes to

the point which we have now reached--at which point scarcely one in a

thousand will escape being unhorsed.

_Phæd_. Which one most assuredly will not be myself. For I have a

natural alacrity in losing my seat, and gravitate so determinately to

the ground, that (like a Roman of old) I ride without stirrups, by way

of holding myself in constant readiness for projection; upon the least

hint, anticipating my horse's wishes on that point, and throwing myself

off as fast as possible; for what's the use of taking the negative side

in a dispute where one's horse takes the affirmative? So I leave it to

Philebus to ride through the steeple-chase you will lead him; his be

the honor of the day--and his the labor.

_X_. But _that_ cannot be; Philebus is bound in duty to be dismounted,

for the sake of keeping Mr. Malthus with many others in countenance.

For at this point, Phædrus, more than at any other almost, there is a

sad confusion of lords and gentlemen that I could name thrown out of

the saddle pell-mell upon their mother earth.

_Phil_.

"So they among themselves in pleasant vein

Stood scoffing."

I suppose I may add--

"Heightened in their thoughts beyond

All doubts of victory."

Meantime, what is it you allude to?

_X_. You are acquainted, I doubt not, Philebus, with the common

distinction between _real_ and _nominal_ value; and in your judgment

upon that distinction I presume that you adopt the doctrine of Mr.

Malthus.

_Phil_. I do; but I know not why you should call it the doctrine

of Mr. Malthus; for, though he has reurged it against Mr. Ricardo, yet

originally it belongs to Adam Smith.

_X_. Not so, Philebus; _a_ distinction between real and nominal value

was made by Adam Smith, but not altogether _the_ distinction of Mr.

Malthus. It is true that Mr. Malthus tells us ("Polit. Econ.," p. 63)

that the distinction is "exactly the same." But in this he is

inaccurate; for neither is it exactly the same; nor, if it had been,

could Mr. Malthus have urged it in his "Political Economy" with the

same consistency as its original author. This you will see hereafter.

But no matter; how do you understand the distinction?

_Phil_. "I continue to think," with Mr. Malthus, and in his words,

"that the most proper definition of real value in exchange, in

contradistinction to nominal value in exchange, is the power of

commanding the necessaries and conveniences of life, including labor,

as distinguished from the power of commanding the precious metals."

_X_. You think, for instance, that if the wages of a laborer should in

England be at the rate of five shillings a day, and in France of no

more than one shilling a day, it could not, therefore, be inferred that

wages were at a high real value in England, or a low real value in

France. Until we know how much food, &c., could be had for the five

shillings in England, and how much in France for the one shilling,

all that we could fairly assert would be, that wages were at a high

_nominal_ value in England and at a low _nominal_ value in France; but

the moment it should be ascertained that the English wages would

procure twice as much comfort as the French, or the French twice

as much as the English, we might then peremptorily affirm that wages

were at a high _real_ value in England on the first supposition,

or in France on the second:--this is what you think?

_Phil_. It is, and very fairly stated, I think this, in common

with Mr. Malthus; and can hold out but little hope that I shall ever

cease to think it.

_X_.

"Why, then, know this,

Thou think'st amiss;

And, to think right, thou must think o'er again."

[Footnote: Suckling's well-known song.]

_Phæd_. But is it possible that Mr. Ricardo can require me to

abjure an inference so reasonable as this? If so, I must frankly

acknowledge that I am out of the saddle already.

_X_. Reasonable inference? So far from _that_, there is an end

of all logic if such an inference be tolerated. _That_ man may

rest assured that his vocation in this world is not logical, who feels

disposed (after a few minutes' consideration) to question the following

proposition,--namely: That it is very possible for A continually to

increase in value--in _real_ value, observe--and yet to command a

continually decreasing quantity of B; in short, that A may acquire a

thousand times higher value, and yet exchange for ten thousand times

less of B.

_Phæd_. Why, then, "chaos is come again!" Is this the unparadoxical

Ricardo?

_X_. Yes, Phædrus; but lay not this unction to your old prejudices,

which you must now prepare to part with forever, that it is any

spirit of wilful paradox which is now speaking; for get rid of Mr.

Ricardo, if you can, but you will not, therefore, get rid of this

paradox. On any other theory of value whatsoever, it will still

continue to be an irresistible truth, though it is the Ricardian theory

only which can consistently explain it. Here, by the way, is a specimen

of paradox in the true and laudable sense--in that sense according to

which Boyle entitled a book "Hydrostatical Paradoxes;" for, though it

wears a _primâ facie_ appearance of falsehood, yet in the end you

will be sensible that it is not only true, but true in that way and

degree which will oblige him who denies it to maintain an absurdity.

Again, therefore, I affirm that, when the laborer obtains a large

quantity of corn, for instance, it is so far from being any fair

inference that wages are then at a high real value, that in all

probability they are at a very low real value; and inversely I affirm,

that when wages are at their very highest real value, the laborer will

obtain the very smallest quantity of corn. Or, quitting wages

altogether (because such an illustration would drive me into too much

anticipation), I affirm universally of Y (that is, of any assignable

thing whatsoever), that it shall grow more valuable _ad infinitum_,

and yet by possibility exchange for less and less _ad infinitum_ of Z

(that is, of any other assignable thing).

_Phæd_. Well, all I shall say is this,--am I in a world where men

stand on their heads or on their feet? But there is some trick in all

this; there is some snare. And now I consider--what's the meaning of

your saying "by possibility"? If the doctrine you would force upon me

be a plain, broad, straightforward truth, why fetter it with such a

suspicious restriction?

_X_. Think, for a moment, Phædrus, what doctrine it is which I

would force upon you; not, as you seem to suppose, that the quantity

obtained by Y is in the _inverse_ ratio of the value of Y; on the

contrary, if that were so, it would still remain true that an

irresistible inference might be drawn from the quantity purchased to

the value of the thing purchasing, and _vice versa_, from the

value of the thing purchasing to the quantity which it would purchase.

There would still be a connection between the two; and the sole

difference between my doctrine and the old doctrine would be this--that

the connection would be no longer _direct_ (as by your doctrine),

but _inverse_. This would be the difference, and the sole difference.

But what is it that I assert? Why, that there is no connection at all,

or of any kind, direct or inverse, between the quantity commanded and

the value commanding. My object is to get rid of your inference, not to

substitute any new inference of my own. I put, therefore, an extreme

case. This case ought by your doctrine to be impossible. If, therefore,

it be _not_ impossible, your doctrine is upset. Simply as a possible

case, it is sufficient to destroy _you_. But, if it were more than a

possible case, it would destroy _me_. For if, instead of demonstrating

the possibility of such a case, I had attempted to show that it were a

universal and necessary case, I should again be introducing the notion

of a connection between the quantity obtained and the value obtaining,

which it is the very purpose of my whole argument to exterminate. For

my thesis is, that no such connection subsists between the two as

warrants any inference that the real value is great because the

quantity it buys is great, or small because the quantity it buys is

small; or, reciprocally, that, because the real value is great or

small, therefore the quantities bought shall be great or small. From,

or to, the real value in these cases, I contend that there is no more

valid inference, than from, or to, the nominal value with which it is

contrasted.

_Phil_. Your thesis, then, as I understand it, is this: that if A

double its value, it will not command double the quantity of B. I have

a barouche which is worth about six hundred guineas at this moment.

Now, if I should keep this barouche unused in my coach-house for five

years, and at the end of this term it should happen from any cause that

carriages had doubled in value, _my_ understanding would lead me

to expect double the quantity of any commodity for which I might then

exchange it, whether _that_ were money, sugar, besoms, or anything

whatsoever. But _you_ tell me--no. And _vice versa_, if I found

that my barouche at the end of five years obtained for me double

the quantity of sugar, or besoms, or political economists, which it

would now obtain, I should think myself warranted in drawing an

inference that carriages had doubled their value. But you tell me--no;

"non valet consequentia."

_X_. You are in the right, Phædrus; I _do_ tell you so. But

you do not express my thesis quite accurately, which is, that if A

double its value, it will not _therefore_ command double the

former quantity of B. It may do so; and it may also command five

hundred times more, or five hundred times less.

_Phæd_. O tempora! O mores! Here is my friend X., that in any

other times would have been a man of incorruptible virtue; and yet, in

our unprincipled age, he is content to barter the interests of truth

and the "majesty of plain-dealing" for a brilliant paradox, or (shall I

say?) for the glory of being reputed an accomplished disputant.

_X_. But, Phædrus, there could be little brilliancy in a paradox

which in the way you understand it will be nothing better than a bold

defiance of common sense. In fact, I should be ashamed to give the air

of a paradox to so evident a truth as that which I am now urging, if I

did not continually remind myself that, evident as it may appear, it

yet escaped Adam Smith. This consideration, and the spectacle of so

many writers since his day thrown out and at a fault precisely at this

point of the chase, make it prudent to present it in as startling a

shape as possible; in order that, the attention being thoroughly

roused, the final assent may not be languid or easily forgotten. Suffer

me, therefore, Phædrus, in a Socratic way, to extort an assent from

your own arguments--allow me to drive you into an absurdity.

_Phæd_. With all my heart; if our father Adam is wrong, I am sure

it would be presumptuous in me to be right; so drive me as fast as

possible.

_X_. You say that A, by doubling its own value, shall command a

double quantity of B. Where, by A, you do not mean some one thing in

particular, but generally any assignable thing whatever. Now, B is some

assignable thing. Whatever, therefore, is true of A, will be true of B?

_Phæd_. It will.

_X_. It will be true, therefore, of B, that, by doubling its own

value, it will command a double quantity of A?

_Phæd_. I cannot deny it.

_X_. Let A be your carriage; and let B stand for six hundred

thousands of besoms, which suppose to express the value of your

carriage in that article at this present moment. Five years hence, no

matter why, carriages have doubled in value; on which supposition you

affirm that in exchange for your barouche you will be entitled to

receive no less than twelve hundred thousands of besoms.

_Phæd_. I do; and a precious bargain I shall have of it; like

Moses with his gross of shagreen spectacles. But sweep on, if you

please; brush me into absurdity.

_X_. I will. Because barouches have altered in value, that is no

reason why besoms should _not_ have altered?

_Phæd_. Certainly; no reason in the world.

_X_. Let them have altered; for instance, at the end of the five

years, let them have been doubled in value. Now, because your assertion

is this--simply by doubling in value, B shall command a double quantity

of A--it follows inevitably, Phædrus, that besoms, having doubled their

value in five years, will at the end of that time command a double

quantity of barouches. The supposition is, that six hundred thousand,

at present, command one barouche; in five years, therefore, six hundred

thousand will command two barouches?

_Phæd_. They will.

_X_. Yet, at the very same time, it has already appeared from your

argument that twelve hundred thousand will command only one barouche;

that is, a barouche will at one and the same time be worth twelve

hundred thousand besoms, and worth only one fourth part of that

quantity. Is this an absurdity, Phædrus?

_Phæd_. It seems such.

_X_. And, therefore, the argument from which it flows, I presume,

is false?

_Phæd_. Scavenger of bad logic! I confess that it looks so.

_Phil_. You confess? So do not I. You die "soft," Phædrus; give me

the cudgels, and I'll die "game," at least. The flaw in your argument,

X., is this: you summoned Phædrus to invert his proposition, and then

you extorted an absurdity from this inversion. But that absurdity

follows only from the particular form of expression into which you

threw the original proposition. I will express the same proposition in

other terms, unexceptionable terms, which shall evade the absurdity.

Observe. A and B are at this time equal in value; that is, they now

exchange quantity for quantity. Or, if you prefer your own case, I say

that one barouche exchanges for six hundred thousand besoms. I choose,

however, to express this proposition thus: A (one barouche) and B (six

hundred thousand besoms) are severally equal in value to C. When,

therefore, A doubles its value, I say that it shall command a double

quantity of C. Now, mark how I will express the inverted case. When B

doubles its value, I say that it shall command a double quantity of C.

But these two cases are very reconcilable with each other. A may

command a double quantity of C at the same time that B commands a

double quantity of C, without involving any absurdity at all. And, if

so, the disputed doctrine is established, that a double value implies a

double command of quantity; and reciprocally, that from a doubled

command of quantity we may infer a doubled value.

_X_. A, and B, you say, may simultaneously command a double

quantity of C, in consequence of doubling their value; and this they

may do without absurdity. But how shall I know _that_, until I

know what you cloak under the symbol of C? For if the same thing shall

have happened to C which my argument assumes to have happened to B

(namely, that its value has altered), then the same demonstration will

hold; and the very same absurdity will follow any attempt to infer the

quantity from the value, or the value from the quantity.

_Phil_. Yes, but I have provided against _that_; for by C I

mean any assignable thing which has _not_ altered its own value. I

assume C to be stationary in value.

_X_. In that case, Philebus, it is undoubtedly true that no

absurdity follows from the inversion of the proposition as it is

expressed by you. But then the short answer which I return is this:

your thesis avoids the absurdity by avoiding the entire question in

dispute. Your thesis is not only not the same as that which we are now

discussing; not only different in essence from the thesis which is

_now_ disputed; but moreover it affirms only what _never_ was

disputed by any man. No man has ever denied that A, by doubling its own

value, will command a double quantity of all things which have been

stationary in value. Of things in that predicament, it is self-evident

that A will command a double quantity. But the question is, whether

universally, from doubling its value, A will command a double quantity:

and inversely, whether universally, from the command of a double

quantity, it is lawful to infer a double value. This is asserted by

Adam Smith, and is essential to his distinction of nominal and real

value; this is peremptorily denied by us. We offer to produce cases in

which from double value it shall not be lawful to infer double

quantity. We offer to produce cases in which from double quantity it

shall _not_ be lawful to infer double value. And thence we argue,

that _until_ the value is discovered in some other way, it will be

impossible to discover whether it be high or low from any consideration

of the quantity commanded; and again, with respect to the quantity

commanded--that, _until_ known in some other way, it shall never

be known from any consideration of the value commanding. This is what

we say; now, your "C" contradicts the conditions; "_until_ the

value is discovered in some other way, it shall never be learned from

the quantity commanded." But in your "C" the value is already

discovered; for you assume it; you postulate that C is stationary in

value: and hence it is easy indeed to infer that, because A commands

double quantity of "C," it shall therefore be of double value; but this

inference is not obtained from the single consideration of double

quantity, but from _that_ combined with the assumption of

unaltered value in C, without which assumption you shall never obtain

that inference.

_Phæd_. The matter is clear beyond what I require; yet, X., for

the satisfaction of my "game" friend Philebus, give us a proof or two

_ex abundanti_ by applying what you have said to cases in Adam

Smith or others.

_X_. In general it is clear that, if the value of A increases in a

duplicate ratio, yet if the value of B increases in a triplicate ratio,

so far from commanding a greater quantity of B, A shall command a

smaller quantity; and if A continually goes on squaring its former

value, yet if B continually goes on cubing its former value, then,

though A will continually augment in value, yet the quantity which it

will command of B shall be continually less, until at length it shall

become practically equal to nothing. [Footnote: The reader may imagine

that there is one exception to this case: namely, if the values of A

and B were assumed at starting to be = 1; because, in that case, the

squares, cubes, and all other powers alike, would be = I; and thus,

under any apparent alteration, the real relations of A and B would

always remain the same. But this is an impossible and unmeaning case in

Political Economy, as might easily be shown.] Hence, therefore, I

deduce,

1. That when I am told by Adam Smith that the money which I can obtain

for my hat expresses only its _nominal_ value, but that the labor

which I can obtain for it expresses its _real_ value--I reply,

that the quantity of labor is no more any expression of the real value

than the quantity of money; both are equally fallacious expressions,

because equally equivocal. My hat, it is true, now buys me _x_

quantity of labor, and some years ago it bought _x/2_ quantity of

labor. But this no more proves that my hat has advanced in real value

according to that proportion, than a double _money_ price will

prove it. For how will Adam Smith reply to him who urges the double

money value as an argument of a double real value? He will say--No; non

valet consequentia. Your proof is equivocal; for a double quantity of

money will as inevitably arise from the sinking of money as from the

rising of hats. And supposing money to have sunk to one fourth of its

former value, in that case a double money value--so far from proving

hats to have risen in real value--will prove that hats have absolutely

fallen in real value by one half; and they will be seen to have done so

by comparison with all things which have remained stationary; otherwise

they would obtain not double merely, but four times the quantity of

money price. This is what Adam Smith will reply in effect. Now, the

very same objection I make to labor as any test of real value. My hat

now obtains _x_ labor; formerly it obtained only one half of

_x_. Be it so; but the whole real change may be in the labor;

labor may now be at one half its former value; in which case my hat

obtains the same real price; double the quantity of labor being now

required to express the same value. Nay, if labor has fallen to one

tenth of its former value, so far from being proved to have risen one

hundred per cent. in real value by now purchasing a double quantity of

labor, my hat is proved to have fallen to one fifth of its former

value; else, instead of buying me only _x_ labor, which is but the

double of its former value (_x/2_), it would buy me 5 _x_, or

ten times its former value.

_Phil_. Your objection, then, to the labor price, as any better

expression of the _real_ value than the money price, would be that

it is an equivocal expression, leaving it doubtful on which side of the

equation the disturbance had taken place, or whether on both sides. In

which objection, as against others, you may be right; but you must not

urge this against Adam Smith; because, on his theory, the expression is

not equivocal; the disturbance can be only on one side of the equation,

namely, in your hat. For as to the other side (the labor), _that_ is

secured from all disturbance by his doctrine that labor is always of

the same value. When, therefore, your hat will purchase _x_ quantity of

labor instead of half _x_, the inference is irresistible that your hat

has doubled its value. There lies no appeal from this; it cannot be

evaded by alleging that the labor may have fallen, for the labor cannot

fall.

_X_. On the Smithian theory it cannot; and therefore it is that I

make a great distinction between the error of Adam Smith and of other

later writers. He, though wrong, was consistent. That the value of

labor is invariable, is a principle so utterly untenable, that many

times Adam Smith abandoned it himself implicitly, though not

explicitly. The demonstration of its variable value indeed follows

naturally from the laws which govern wages; and, therefore, I will not

here anticipate it. Meantime, having once adopted that theory of the

unalterable value of labor, Adam Smith was in the right to make it the

expression of real value. But this is not done with the same

consistency by Mr. Malthus at the very time when he denies the

possibility of any invariable value.

_Phil_. How so? Mr. Malthus asserts that there is one article of

invariable value; what is more, this article is labor,--the very same

as that formerly alleged for such by Adam Smith; and he has written a

book to prove it.

_X_. True, Philebus, he has done so; and he _now_ holds that

labor is invariable, supposing that his opinions have not altered

within the last twelve months. But he was so far from holding this in

1820 (at which time it was that he chiefly insisted on the distinction

between nominal and real value), that he was not content with the true

arguments against the possibility of an invariable value, but made use

of one, as I shall soon show you, which involves what the

metaphysicians call a _non-ens_--or an idea which includes

contradictory and self-destroying conditions. Omitting, however, the

inconsistency in the idea of _real_ value as conceived by Mr.

Malthus, there is this additional error engrafted upon the Smithian

definition, that it is extended to "the necessaries and conveniences of

life" in general, and no longer confined exclusively to labor. I shall,

therefore, as another case for illustrating and applying the result of

our dispute,

2. Cite a passage from Mr. Malthus' "Political Economy" (p. 59): "If we

are told that the wages of day-labor in a particular country are, at

the present time, fourpence a day, or that the revenue of a particular

sovereign, seven or eight hundred years ago, was four hundred thousand

pounds a year, these statements of nominal value convey no sort of

information respecting the condition of the lower class of people in

the one case, or the resources of the sovereign in the other. Without

further knowledge on the subject, we should be quite at a loss to say

whether the laborers in the country mentioned were starving or living

in great plenty; whether the king in question might be considered as

having a very inadequate revenue, or whether the sum mentioned was so

great as to be incredible. [Footnote: Hume very reasonably doubts the

possibility of William the Conqueror's revenue being four hundred

thousand pounds a year, as represented by an ancient historian, and

adopted by subsequent writers.--Note of Mr. Malthus.] It is quite

obvious that in cases of this kind,--and they are of constant

recurrence,--the value of wages, incomes, or commodities, estimated in

the precious metals, will be of little use to us alone. What we want

further is some estimate of a kind which may be denominated real value

in exchange, implying the quantity of the necessaries and conveniences

of life which those wages, incomes, or commodities, will enable the

possessor of them to command."

In this passage, over and above the radical error about real value,

there is also apparent that confusion, which has misled so many

writers, between _value_ and _wealth_; a confusion which Mr.

Ricardo first detected and cleared up. That we shall not be able to

determine, from the mere money wages, whether the laborers were

"starving or living in great plenty," is certain; and that we

_shall_ be able to determine this as soon as we know the quantity

of necessaries, etc., which those wages commanded, is equally certain;

for, in fact, the one knowledge is identical with the other, and but

another way of expressing it; we must, of course, learn that the

laborer lived in plenty, if we should learn that his wages gave him a

great deal of bread, milk, venison, salt, honey, etc. And as there

could never have been any doubt whether we should learn _this_

from what Mr. Malthus terms the real value, and that we should

_not_ learn it from what he terms the money value, Mr. Malthus may

be assured that there never can have been any dispute raised on that

point. The true dispute is, whether, after having learned that the

laborer lived in American plenty, we shall have at all approximated to

the appreciation of his wages as to real value: this is the question;

and it is plain that we shall not. What matters it that his wages gave

him a great deal of corn, until we know whether corn bore a high or a

low value? A great deal of corn at a high value implies wages of a high

value; but a great deal of corn at a low value is very consistent with

wages at a low value. Money wages, it is said, leave us quite in the

dark as to real value. Doubtless; nor are we at all the less in the

dark for knowing the corn wages, the milk wages, the grouse wages, etc.

_Given_ the value of corn, _given_ the value of milk, _given_ the value

of grouse, we shall know whether a great quantity of those articles

implies a high value, or is compatible with a low value, in the wages

which commanded them; but, _until_ that is given, it has been already

shown that the quantity alone is an equivocal test, being equally

capable of coexisting with high wages or low wages.

_Phil_. Why, then, it passes my comprehension to understand what

test remains of real value, if neither money price nor commodity price

expresses it. When are wages, for example, at a high real value?

_X_. Wages are at a high real value when it requires much labor to

produce wages; and at a low real value when it requires little labor to

produce wages: and it is perfectly consistent with the high real value

that the laborer should be almost starving; and perfectly consistent

with the low real value that the laborer should be living in great ease

and comfort.

_Phil_. Well, this may be true; but you must allow that it sounds

extravagant.

_X_. Doubtless it sounds extravagant, to him who persists in

slipping under his notion of value another and heterogeneous notion,

namely, that of wealth. But, let it sound as it may, all the

absurdities (which are neither few nor slight) are on the other side.

These will discover themselves as we advance. Meantime, I presume that

in your use, and in everybody's use, of the word value, a high value

ought to purchase a high value, and that it will be very absurd if it

should not. But, as to purchasing a great quantity, that condition is

surely not included in any man's idea of value.

_Phil_. No, certainly; because A is of high value, it does not

follow that it must purchase a great quantity; that must be as various

as the nature of the thing with which it is compared. But having once

assumed any certain thing, as B, it does seem to follow that, however

small a quantity A may purchase of this (which I admit may be very

small, though the value of A should be very great), yet it does seem to

follow, from everybody's notion of value, that this quantity of B,

however small at first, must continually increase, if the value of A be

supposed continually to increase.

_X_. This may "seem" to follow; but it has been shown that it does

not follow; for if A continually double its value, yet let B

continually triple or quadruple its value, and the quantity of B will

be so far from increasing, that it will finally become evanescent. In

short, once for all, the formula is this: Let A continually increase in

value, and it shall purchase continually more and more in quantity--

than what? More than it did? By no means; but more than it would have

done, but for that increase in value. A has doubled its value. Does it

_therefore_ purchase more than it did before of B? No; perhaps it

purchases much less; suppose only one fourth part as much of B as it

did before; but still the doubling of A's value has had its full

effect; for B, it may happen, has increased in value eight-fold; and,

but for the doubling of A, it would, instead of one fourth, have bought

only one eighth of the former quantity. A, therefore, by doubling in

value, has bought not double in quantity of what it bought before, but

double in quantity of what it would else have bought.

The remainder of this dialogue related to the distinction between

"relative" value, as it is termed, and "absolute" value; clearing up

the true use of that distinction. But, this being already too long, the

amount of it will be given hereafter, with a specimen of the errors

which have arisen from the abuse of this distinction.

* * * * *

DIALOGUE THE FIFTH.

ON THE IMMEDIATE USES OF THE NEW THEORY OF VALUE.

_X_. The great law which governs exchangeable value has now been

stated and argued. Next, it seems, we must ask, what are its uses? This

is a question which you or I should not be likely to ask; for with what

color of propriety could a doubt be raised about the use of any truth

in any science? still less, about the use of a leading truth? least of

all, about the use of _the_ leading truth? Nevertheless, such a

doubt _has_ been raised by Mr. Malthus.

_Phæd_. On what ground or pretence.

_X_. Under a strange misconception of Mr. Ricardo's meaning. Mr.

Malthus has written a great deal, as you may have heard, against Mr.

Ricardo's principle of value; his purpose is to prove that it is a

false principle; independently of which, he contends that, even if it

were a true principle, it would be of little use. [Footnote: _Vide_ the

foot-note to p. 54 of "The Measure of Value."]

_Phæd_. Little use? In relation to what?

_X_. Ay, _there_ lies the inexplicable mistake: of little use

as a _measure_ of value. Now, this is a mistake for which there

can be no sort of apology; for it supposes Mr. Ricardo to have brought

forward his principle of value as a standard or measure of value;

whereas, Mr. Ricardo has repeatedly informed his reader that he utterly

rejects the possibility of any such measure. Thus (at p. 10, edit. 2d),

after laying down the _conditio sine quâ non_ under which any

commodity could preserve an unvarying value, he goes on to say: "of

such a commodity we have no knowledge, and consequently are unable to

fix on any standard of value." And, again (at p. 343 of the same

edition), after exposing at some length the circumstances which

disqualify "any commodity, or all commodities together," from

performing the office of a standard of value, he again states the

indispensable condition which must be realized in that commodity which

should pretend to such an office; and again he adds, immediately, "of

such a commodity we have no knowledge." But what leaves this mistake

still more without excuse is, that in the third edition of his book Mr.

Ricardo has added an express section (the sixth) to his chapter on

value, having for its direct object to expose the impossibility of any

true measure of value. Setting aside, indeed, these explicit

declarations, a few words will suffice to show that Mr. Ricardo could

not have consistently believed in any standard or measure of value.

What does a standard mean?

_Phæd_. A standard is that which stands still whilst other things

move, and by this means serves to indicate or measure the degree in

which those other things have advanced or receded.

_X_. Doubtless; and a standard of value must itself stand still or

be stationary in value. But nothing could possibly be stationary in

value upon Mr. Ricardo's theory, unless it were always produced by the

same quantity of labor; since any alteration in the quantity of the

producing labor must immediately affect the value of the product. Now,

what is there which can always be obtained by the same quantity of

labor? Raw materials (for reasons which will appear when we consider

Rent) are constantly tending to grow dearer [Footnote: "Constantly

tending to grow dearer"--To the novice in Political Economy, it will

infallibly suggest itself that the direct contrary is the truth; since,

even in rural industry, though more tardily improving its processes

than manufacturing industry, the tendency is always in that direction:

agriculture, as an art benefiting by experience, has never yet been

absolutely regressive, though not progressive by such striking leaps or

sudden discoveries as manufacturing art. But, for all that, it still

remains true, as a general principle, that raw materials won from the

soil are constantly tending to grow dearer, whilst these same materials

as worked up for use by manufacturing skill are constantly travelling

upon an opposite path. The reason is, that, in the case of

manufacturing improvements, no conquest made is ever lost. The course

is never retrogressive towards the worse machinery, or towards the more

circuitous process; once resigned, the inferior method is resigned

forever. But in the industry applied to the soil this is otherwise.

Doubtless the farmer does not, with his eyes open, return to methods

which have experimentally been shown to be inferior, unless, indeed,

where want of capital may have forced him to do so; but, as population

expands, he is continually forced into descending upon inferior soils;

and the product of these inferior soils it is which gives the ruling

price for the whole aggregate of products. Say that soils Nos. 1, 2, 3,

4, had been hitherto sufficient for a nation, where the figures express

the regular graduation downwards in point of fertility; then, when No.

5 is called for (which, producing less by the supposition, costs,

therefore, more upon any given quantity), the price upon this last, No.

5, regulates the price upon all the five soils. And thus it happens

that, whilst always progressive, rural industry is nevertheless always

travelling towards an increased cost. The product of Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4,

is continually tending to be cheaper; but when the cost of No. 5 (and

so on forever as to the fresh soils required to meet a growing

population) is combined with that of the superior soils, the quotient

from the entire dividend, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, is always tending gradually to

a higher expression.] by requiring more labor for their production;

manufactures, from the changes in machinery, which are always

progressive and never retrograde, are constantly tending to grow

cheaper by requiring less; consequently, there is nothing which, upon

Mr. Ricardo's theory, can long continue stationary in value. If,

therefore, he had proposed any measure of value, he must have forgotten

his own principle of value.

_Phil_. But allow me to ask; if that principle is not proposed as

a measure of value, in what character _is_ it proposed?

_X_. Surely, Philebus, as the _ground_ of value; whereas a measure of

value is no more than a _criterion_ or test of value. The last is

simply a _principium cognoscendi_, whereas the other is a _principium

essendi_.

_Phil_. But wherein lies the difference?

_X_. Is it possible that you can ask such a question? A

thermometer measures the temperature of the air; that is, it furnishes

a criterion for ascertaining its varying degrees of heat; but you

cannot even imagine that a thermometer furnishes any _ground_ of

this heat. I wish to know whether a day's labor at the time of the

English Revolution bore the same value as a hundred years after at the

time of the French Revolution; and, if not the same value, whether a

higher or a lower. For this purpose, if I believe that there is any

commodity which is immutable in value, I shall naturally compare a

day's labor with that commodity at each period. Some, for instance,

have imagined that corn is of invariable value; and, supposing one to

adopt so false a notion, we should merely have to inquire what quantity

of corn a day's labor would exchange for at each period, and we should

then have determined the relations of value between labor at the two

periods. In this case, I should have used corn as the _measure_ of

the value of labor; but I could not rationally mean to say that corn

was the _ground_ of the value of labor; and, if I said that I made

use of corn to _determine_ the value of labor, I should employ the

word "determine" in the same sense as when I say that the thermometer

determines the heat--namely, that it ascertains it, or determines it to

my knowledge (as a _principium cognoscendi_). But, when Mr. Ricardo

says that the quantity of labor employed on A determines the value of

A, he must of course be understood to mean that it _causes_ A to be of

this value, that it is the _ground_ of its value, the _principium

essendi_ of its value; just as when, being asked what determines a

stone to fall downwards rather than upwards, I answer that it is the

earth's attraction, or the principle of gravitation, meaning that this

principle _causes_ it to fall downwards; and if, in this case, I say

that gravitation "_determines_" its course downwards, I no longer use

that word in the sense of _ascertain_; I do not mean that gravitation

_ascertains_ it to have descended; but that gravitation has

_causatively_ impressed that direction on its course; in other

words, I make gravitation the _principium essendi_ of its descent.

_Phæd_. I understand your distinction; and in which sense do you

say that Mr. Malthus has used the term Measure of Value--in the sense

of a ground, or of a criterion?

_X_. In both senses; he talks of it as "_accounting for_" the

value of A, in which case it means a ground of value; and as

"_estimating_" the value of A, in which case it means a criterion

of value. I mention these expressions as instances; but, the truth is,

that, throughout his essay entitled "The Measure of Value Stated and

Illustrated" and throughout his "Political Economy" (but especially in

the second chapter, entitled "The Nature and Measures of Value"), he

uniformly confounds the two ideas of a ground and a criterion of value

under a much greater variety of expressions than I have time to

enumerate.

_Phil_. But, admitting that Mr. Malthus has proceeded on the

misconception you state, what is the specific injury which has thence

resulted to Mr. Ricardo?

_X_. I am speaking at present of the uses to be derived from Mr.

Ricardo's principle of value. Now, if it had been proposed as a measure

of value, we might justly demand that it should be "ready and easy of

application," to adopt the words of Mr. Malthus ("Measure of Value," p.

54); but it is manifestly not so; for the quantity of labor employed in

producing A "could not in many cases" (as Mr. Malthus truly objects)

"be ascertained without considerable difficulty;" in most cases,

indeed, it could not be ascertained at all. A measure of value,

however, which cannot be practically applied, is worthless; as a

measure of value, therefore, Mr. Ricardo's law of value is worthless;

and if it had been offered as such by its author, the blame would have

settled on Mr. Ricardo; as it is, it settles on Mr. Malthus, who has

grounded an imaginary triumph on his own gross misconception. For Mr.

Ricardo never dreamed of offering a standard or fixed measure of value,

or of tolerating any pretended measure of that sort, by whomsoever

offered.

Thus much I have said for the sake of showing what is not the use of

Mr. Ricardo's principle in the design of its author; in order that he

may be no longer exposed to the false criticism of those who are

looking for what is not to be found, nor ought to be found, [Footnote:

At p. 36 of "The Measure of Value" (in the footnote), this

misconception as to Mr. Ricardo appears in a still grosser shape; for

not only does Mr. Malthus speak of a "concession" (as he calls it) of

Mr. Ricardo as being "quite fatal" to the notion of a standard of

value,--as though it were an object with Mr. Ricardo to establish such

a standard,--but this standard, moreover, is now represented as being

gold. And what objection does Mr. Malthus make to gold as a standard?

The identical objection which Mr. Ricardo had himself insisted on in

that very page of his third edition to which Mr. Malthus refers.] in

his work. On quitting this part of the subject, I shall just observe

that Mr. Malthus, in common with many others, attaches a most

unreasonable importance to the discovery of a measure of value. I

challenge any man to show that the great interests of Political Economy

have at all suffered for want of such a measure, which at best would

end in answering a few questions of unprofitable curiosity; whilst, on

the other hand, without a knowledge of the ground on which value

depends, or without some approximation to it, Political Economy could

not exist at all, except as a heap of baseless opinions.

_Phæd_. Now, then, having cleared away the imaginary uses of Mr.

Ricardo's principle, let us hear something of its real uses.

_X_. The most important of these I expressed in the last words I

uttered: _That_ without which a science cannot exist is commensurate in

use with the science itself; being the fundamental law, it will testify

its own importance in the changes which it will impress on all the

derivative laws. For the main use of Mr. Ricardo's principle, I refer

you therefore to all Political Economy. Meantime, I will notice here

the immediate services which it has rendered by liberating the student

from those perplexities which previously embarrassed him on his first

introduction to the science; I mention two cases by way of specimen.

1. When it was asked by the student what determined the value of all

commodities, it was answered that this value was chiefly determined by

wages. When again it was asked what determined wages, it was

recollected that wages must generally be adjusted to the value of the

commodities upon which they were spent; and the answer was in effect

that wages were determined by the value of commodities. And thus the

mind was entangled in this inextricable circle--that the price of

commodities was determined by wages, and wages determined by the price

of commodities. From this gross _Diallælos_ (as the logicians call

it), or see-saw, we are now liberated; for the first step, as we are

now aware, is false: the value of commodities is _not_ determined

by wages; since wages express the value of labor; and it has been

demonstrated that not the _value_ but the _quantity_ of labor

determines the value of its products.

2. A second case, in which Mr. Ricardo's law has introduced a

simplicity into the science which had in vain been sought for before,

is this: all former economists, in laying down the component parts of

price, had fancied it impossible to get rid of what is termed the

_raw material_ as one of its elements. This impossibility was

generally taken for granted: but an economist of our times, the late

Mr. Francis Horner, had (in the _Edinburgh Review_) expressly set

himself to prove it. "It is not true," said Mr. Horner, "that the thing

purchased in every bargain is merely so much labor: the value of the

raw material can neither be rejected as nothing, nor estimated as a

constant quantity." Now, this refractory element is at once, and in the

simplest way possible, exterminated by Mr. Ricardo's reformed law of

value. Upon the old system, if I had resolved the value of my hat into

wages and profits, I should immediately have been admonished that I had

forgotten one of the elements: "wages, profits, and raw material, you

mean," it would have been said. Raw material! Well, but on what

separate principle can this raw material be valued? or on what other

principle than that on which the hat itself was valued? Like any other

product of labor, its value is determined by the quantity of labor

employed in obtaining it; and the amount of this product is divided

between wages and profits as in any case of a manufactured commodity.

The raw material of the hat suppose to be beaver: if, then, in order to

take the quantity of beavers which are necessary to furnish materials

for a thousand hats, four men have been employed for twenty-five days,

then it appears that the raw material of a thousand hats has cost a

hundred days' labor, which will be of the same value in exchange as the

product of a hundred days' labor (previously equated and discounted as

to its _quality_) in any other direction; as, for example, if a

hundred days' labor would produce two thousand pairs of stockings of a

certain quality, then it follows that the raw material of my hat is

worth two pairs of such stockings. And thus it turns out that an

element of value (which Mr. Horner and thousands of others have

supposed to be of a distinct nature, and to resist all further

analysis) gives way before Mr. Ricardo's law, and is eliminated; an

admirable simplification, which is equal in merit and use to any of the

rules which have been devised, from time to time, for the resolution of

algebraic equations.

Here, then, in a hasty shape, I have offered two specimens of the uses

which arise from a better law of value; again reminding you, however,

that the main use must lie in the effect which it will impress on all

the other laws of Political Economy. And reverting for one moment,

before we part, to the difficulty of Philebus about the difference

between this principle as a _principium cognoscendi_ or measure,

and a _principium essendi_ or determining ground, let me desire

you to consider these two _essential_ marks of distinction: 1.

that by all respectable economists any true measure of value has been

doubted or denied as a possibility: but no man can doubt the existence

of a ground of value; 2. that a measure is posterior to the value; for,

before a value can be measured or estimated, it must exist: but a

ground of value must be antecedent to the value, like any other cause

to its effect.

* * * * *

DIALOGUE THE SIXTH.

ON THE OBJECTIONS TO THE NEW LAW OF VALUE.

_X_. The two most eminent economists [Footnote: The reader must

continue to remember that this paper was written in 1824.] who have

opposed the Ricardian doctrines are Mr. Malthus and Colonel Torrens. In

the spring of 1820 Mr. Malthus published his "Principles of Political

Economy," much of which was an attack upon Mr. Ricardo; and the entire

second chapter of eighty-three pages, "On the Nature and Measures of

Value," was one continued attempt to overthrow Mr. Ricardo's theory of

value. Three years afterwards he published a second attack on the same

theory in a distinct essay of eighty-one pages, entitled, "The Measure

of Value Stated and Illustrated." In this latter work, amongst other

arguments, he has relied upon one in particular, which he has chosen to

exhibit in the form of a table. As it is of the last importance to

Political Economy that this question should be settled, I will shrink

from nothing that wears the semblance of an argument: and I will now

examine this table; and will show that the whole of the inferences

contained in the seventh, eighth, and ninth columns are founded on a

gross blunder in the fifth and sixth; every number in which columns is

falsely assigned.

MR. MALTHUS' TABLE ILLUSTRATING THE INVARIABLE VALUE OF LABOR AND ITS

RESULTS.

(From p. 38 of "The Measure of Value Stated and Illustrated." London:

1823.)

N. B.--The sole change which has been made in this reprint of the

original Table is the assigning of names (_Alpha, Beta_, etc.) to

the several cases, for the purpose of easier reference and distinction.

CASE. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

Alpha... 150 12 120 25 8 2 10 8.33 12.5

Beta.... 150 13 130 15.38 8.66 1.34 10 7.7 11.53

Gamma... 150 10 100 50 6.6 3.4 10 10 15

Delta... 140 12 120 16.66 8.6 1.4 10 7.14* 11.6

Epsilon. 140 11 110 27.2 7.85 2.15 10 9.09 12.7

Zeta.... 130 12 120 8.3 9.23 0.77 10 8.33 10.8

Eta..... 130 10 100 30 7.7 2.3 10 10 13

Theta... 120 11 110 9 9.17 0.83 10 9.09 10.9

Iota.... 120 10 100 20 8.33 1.67 10 10 12

Kappa... 110 10 100 10 9.09 0.91 10 10 11

Lambda.. 110 9 90 22.2 8.18 1.82 10 11.1 12.2

My...... 100 9 90 11.1 9 1 10 11.1 11.1

Ny...... 100 8 80 25 8 2 10 12.5 12.5

Xi...... 90 8 80 12.5 8.88 1.12 10 12.5 11.25

1.--Quarters of Corn produced by Ten Men.

2.--Yearly Corn Wages to each Laborer.

3.--Yearly Corn Wages of the whole Ten Men.

4.--Rate of Profits under the foregoing Circumstances.

5.--Quantity of Labor required to produce the Wages of Ten Men.

6.--Quantity of Profits on the Advance of Labor.

7.--Invariable Value of the Wages of a given Number of Men.

8.--Value of 100 Quarters of Corn under the varying

Circumstances supposed.

9.--Value of the Product of the Labor of Ten Men under the

Circumstances supposed.

[Footnote: *This is an oversight on the part of Mr. Malthus, and not an

error of the press; for 7.14 would be the value of the 100 quarters on

the supposition that the entire product of the ten men (namely, 140

quarters) went to wages; but the wages in this case (Delta) being 120

quarters, the true value on the principle of this table is manifestly

8.33.]

SECTION I.

_Phæd_. Now, X., you know that I abhor arithmetical calculations;

besides which, I have no faith in any propositions of a political

economist which he cannot make out readily without all this elaborate

machinery of tables and figures. Under these circumstances, I put it to

you, as a man of feeling, whether you ought to inflict upon me this

alarming pile of computations; which, by your gloomy countenance, I see

that you are meditating.

_X_. Stop, recollect yourself: not I it is, remember, that impose

this elaborate "table" upon you, but Mr. Malthus. The yoke is his. I am

the man sent by Providence to lighten this yoke. Surrender yourself,

therefore, to my guidance, Phædrus, and I will lead you over the hill

by so easy a road that you shall never know you have been climbing. You

see that there are nine columns; _that_, I suppose, does not pass

your skill in arithmetic. Now, then, to simplify the matter, begin by

dismissing from your attention every column but the first and the last;

fancy all the rest obliterated.

_Phæd_. Most willingly; it is a heavenly fancy.

_X_. Next look into the first column, and tell me what you see

there.

_Phæd_. I see "lots" of 150s and 140s, and other ill-looking

people of the same description.

_X_. Well, these numbers express the products of the same labor on

land of different qualities. The quantity of labor is assumed to be

always the same; namely, the labor of ten men for a year (or one man

for ten years, or twenty men for half a year, etc.). The producing

labor, I say, is always the same; but the product is constantly

varying. Thus, in the case Alpha the product is one hundred and fifty

quarters; in the cases Delta and Epsilon, when cultivation has been

compelled by increasing population to descend upon inferior land, the

product of equal labor is no more than one hundred and forty quarters;

and in the case Iota it has fallen to one hundred and twenty quarters.

Now, upon Mr. Ricardo's principle of valuation, I demand to know what

ought to be the price of these several products which vary so much in

quantity.

_Phæd_. Why, since they are all the products of the same quantity

of labor, they ought all to sell for the same price.

_X_. Doubtless; not, however, of necessity for the same money

price, since money may itself have varied, in which case the same money

price would be really a very different price; but for the same price in

all things which have _not_ varied in value. The Xi product,

therefore, which is only ninety quarters, will fetch the same real

price as the Alpha or Gamma products, which are one hundred and fifty.

But, by the way, in saying this, let me caution you against making the

false inference that corn is at the same price in the case Xi as in the

case Alpha or Gamma; for the inference is the very opposite; since, if

ninety quarters cost as much as one hundred and fifty, then each

individual quarter of the ninety costs a great deal more. Thus, suppose

that the Alpha product sold at four pounds a quarter, the price of the

whole would be six hundred pounds. Six hundred pounds, therefore, must

be the price of Xi, or the ninety quarters; but _that_ is six

pounds, thirteen shillings, four pence, a quarter. This ought to be a

needless caution; yet I have known economists of great name stand much

in need of it.

_Phæd_. I am sure _I_ stand in need of it, and of all sort of

assistance, for I am "ill at these numbers." But let us go on; what you

require my assent to, I understand to be this: that all the different

quantities of corn expressed in the first column will be of the same

value, because they are all alike the product of ten men's labor. To

this I _do_ assent; and what next? Does anybody deny it?

_X_. Yes, Mr. Malthus: he asserts that the value will not be

always the same; and the purpose of the ninth column is to assign the

true values; which, by looking into that column, you may perceive to be

constantly varying: the value of Alpha, for instance, is twelve and

five tenths; the value of Epsilon is twelve and seven tenths; of Iota,

twelve; and of Xi, eleven and twenty-five one-hundredths.

_Phæd_. But of what? Twelve and five tenths of what?

_X_. Of anything which, though variable, has in fact happened to

be stationary in value; or, if you choose, of anything which is not

variable in value.

_Phæd_. Not variable! But there is no such thing.

_X_. No! Mr. Malthus, however, says there is; labor, he asserts,

is of unalterable value.

_Phæd_. What! does he mean to say, then, that the laborer always

obtains the same wages?

_X_. Yes, the same real wages; all differences being only apparently in

the wages, but really in the commodity in which the wages are paid. Let

that commodity be wheat; then, if the laborer receives ten quarters of

wheat in 1800, and nine in 1820, that would imply only that wheat was

about eleven per cent, dearer in the latter year. Or let money be that

commodity; then, if the laborer receives this century two shillings,

and next century three shillings, this simply argues that money has

fallen in value by fifty per cent.

_Phæd_. Why, so it may; and the whole difference in wages may have

arisen in that way, and be only apparent. But, then, it may also have

arisen from a change in the _real_ value of wages; that is, on the

Ricardian principle, in the quantity of labor necessary to produce

wages. And this latter must have been the nature of the change, if

Alpha, Iota, Xi, etc., should be found to purchase more labor; in which

case Mr. Ricardo's doctrine is not disturbed; for he will say that Iota

in 1700 exchanges for twelve, and Kappa in 1800 for eleven, not because

Kappa has fallen in that proportion (for Kappa, being the product of

the same labor as Iota, _cannot_ fall below the value of Iota),

but because the commodity for which they are exchanged has risen in

that proportion.

_X_. He will; but Mr. Malthus attempts to bar that answer in this

case, by alleging that it is impossible for the commodity in question

(namely, labor) to rise or to fall in that or in any other proportion.

If, then, the change cannot be in the labor, it must be in Alpha, Beta,

etc.; in which case Mr. Ricardo will be overthrown; for they are the

products of the same quantity of labor, and yet have not retained the

same value.

_Phæd_. But, to bar Mr. Ricardo's answer, Mr. Malthus must not

allege this merely; he must prove it.

_X_. To be sure; and the first seven columns of this table are

designed to prove it. Now, then, we have done with the ninth column,

and also with the eighth; for they are both mere corollaries from all

the rest, and linked together under the plain rule of three. Dismiss

these altogether; and we will now come to the argument.

SECTION II.

The table is now reduced to seven columns, and the logic of it is this:

the four first columns express the conditions under which the three

following ones are deduced as consequences; and they are to be read

thus, taking the case Alpha by way of example: Suppose that (by

_column one_) the land cultivated is of such a quality that ten

laborers produce me one hundred and fifty quarters of corn; and that

(by _column two_) each laborer receives for his own wages twelve

quarters; in which case (by _column three_) the whole ten receive

one hundred and twenty quarters; and thus (by _column four_) leave

me for my profit thirty quarters out of all that they have produced;

that is, twenty-five per cent. Under these conditions, I insist (says

Mr. Malthus) that the wages of ten men, as stated in column three, let

them be produced by little labor or much labor, shall never exceed or

fall below one invariable value expressed in column seven; and,

accordingly, by looking down that column, you will perceive one uniform

valuation of 10. Upon this statement, it is manifest that the whole

force of the logic turns upon the accuracy with which column three is

valued in column seven. If that valuation be correct, then it follows

that, under all changes in the quantity of labor which produces them,

wages never alter in real value; in other words, the value of labor is

invariable.

_Phæd_. But of course you deny that the valuation is correct?

_X_. I do, Phædrus; the valuation is wrong, even on Mr. Malthus'

or any other man's principles, in every instance; the value is not

truly assigned in a single case of the whole fourteen. For how does Mr.

Malthus obtain this invariable value of ten? He resolves the value of

the wages expressed in column three into two parts; one of which, under

the name "_labor_," he assigns in column five; the other, under

the name "_profits_," he assigns in column six; and column seven

expresses the sum of these two parts; which are always kept equal to

ten by always compensating each other's excesses and defects. Hence,

Phædrus, you see that--as column seven simply expresses the sum of

columns five and six--if those columns are right, column seven cannot

be wrong. Consequently, it is in columns five and six that we are to

look for the root of the error; which is indeed a very gross one.

_Phil_. Why, now, for instance, take the case Alpha, and what is

the error you detect in that?

_X_. Simply, this--that in column five, instead of eight, the true

value is 6.4; and in column six, instead of two, the true value is 1.6;

the sum of which values is not ten, but eight; and that is the figure

which should have stood in column seven.

_Phil_. How so, X.? In column five Mr. Malthus undertakes to

assign the quantity of labor necessary (under the conditions of the

particular case) to produce the wages expressed in column three, which

in this case Alpha are one hundred and twenty quarters. Now, you cannot

deny that he has assigned it truly; for, when ten men produce one

hundred and fifty (by column one)--that is, each man fifteen--it must

require eight to produce one hundred and twenty; for one hundred and

twenty is eight times fifteen. Six men and four tenths of a man, the

number you would substitute, could produce only ninety-six quarters.

_X_. Very true, Philebus; eight men are necessary to produce the

one hundred and twenty quarters expressed in column three. And now

answer me: what part of their own product will these eight producers

deduct for their own wages?

_Phil_. Why (by column two), each man's wages in this case are

twelve quarters; therefore the wages of the eight men will be ninety-

six quarters.

_X_. And what quantity of labor will be necessary to produce these

ninety-six quarters?

_Phil_. Each man producing fifteen, it will require six men's

labor, and four tenths of another man's labor.

_X_. Very well; 6.4 of the eight are employed in producing the

wages of the whole eight. Now tell me, Philebus, what more than their

own wages do the whole eight produce?

_Phil_. Why, as they produce in all one hundred and twenty

quarters, and their own deduction is ninety-six, it is clear that they

produce twenty-four quarters besides their own wages.

_X_. And to whom do these twenty-four quarters go?

_Phil_. To their employer, for his profit.

_X_. Yes; and it answers the condition expressed in column four;

for a profit of twenty-four quarters on ninety-six is exactly twenty-

five per cent. But to go on--you have acknowledged that the ninety-six

quarters for wages would be produced by the labor of 6.4 men. Now, how

much labor will be required to produce the remaining twenty-four

quarters for profits?

_Phil_. Because fifteen quarters require the labor of one man (by

column one), twenty-four will require the labor of 1.6.

_X_. Right; and thus, Philebus, you have acknowledged all I wish.

The object of Mr. Malthus is to ascertain the cost in labor of

producing ten men's wages (or one hundred and twenty quarters) under

the conditions of this case Alpha. The cost resolves itself, even on

Mr. Malthus' principles, into so much wages to the laborers, and so

much profit to their employer. Now, you or I will undertake to furnish

Mr. Malthus the one hundred and twenty quarters, not (as he says) at a

cost of ten men's labor (for at that cost we could produce him one

hundred and fifty quarters by column one), but at a cost of eight. For

six men and four tenths will produce the whole wages of the eight

producers; and one man and six tenths will produce our profit of

twenty-five per cent.

_Phæd_. The mistake, then, of Mr. Malthus, if I understand it, is

egregious. In column five he estimates the labor necessary to produce

the entire one hundred and twenty quarters--which, he says, is the

labor of eight men; and so it is, if he means by labor what produces

both wages and profits; otherwise, not. Of necessity, therefore, he has

assigned the value both of wages and profits in column five. Yet in

column six he gravely proceeds to estimate profits a second time.

_X_. Yes; and, what is still worse, in estimating these profits a

second time over, he estimates them on the whole one hundred and

twenty; that is, he allows for a second profit of thirty quarters; else

it could not cost two men's labor (as by his valuation it does); for

each man in the case Alpha produces fifteen quarters. Now, thirty

quarters added to one hundred and twenty, are one hundred and fifty.

But this is the _product_ of ten men, and not the _wages_ of

ten men; which is the amount offered for valuation in column three, and

which is all that column seven professes to have valued.

SECTION III.

_Phæd_. I am satisfied, X. But Philebus seems perplexed. Make all

clear, therefore, by demonstrating the same result in some other way.

With your adroitness, it can cost you no trouble to treat us with a

little display of dialectical skirmishing. Show us a specimen of

manoeuvring; enfilade him; take him in front and rear; and do it

rapidly, and with a light-horseman's elegance.

_X_. If you wish for variations, it is easy to give them. In the

first argument, what I depended on was this--that the valuation was

inaccurate. Now, then, _secondly_, suppose the valuation to be

accurate, in this case we must still disallow it to Mr. Malthus; for,

in columns five and six, he values by the quantity of producing labor;

but that is the Ricardian principle of valuation, which is the very

principle that he writes to overthrow.

_Phæd_. This may seem a good _quoad hominem_ argument. Yet

surely any man may use the principle of his antagonist, in order to

extort a particular result from it? _X_. He may; but in that case

will the result be true, or will it not be true?

_Phæd_. If he denies the principle, he is bound to think the

result not true; and he uses it as a _reductio ad absurdum_.

_X_. Right; but now in this case Mr. Malthus presents the result

as a truth.

_Phil_. Yes, X.; but observe, the result is the direct

contradiction of Mr. Ricardo's result. The quantities of column first

vary in value by column the last; but the result, in Mr. Ricardo's

hands, is--that they do not vary in value.

_X_. Still, if in Mr. Malthus' hands the principle is made to

yield a truth, then at any rate the principle is itself true; and all

that will be proved against Mr. Ricardo is, that he applied a sound

principle unskilfully. But Mr. Malthus writes a book to prove that the

principle is _not_ sound.

_Phæd_. Yes, and to substitute another.

_X_. True; which other, I go on _thirdly_ to say, is actually

employed in this table. On which account it is fair to say that Mr.

Malthus is a _third_ time refuted. For, if two inconsistent

principles of valuation be employed, then the table will be vicious,

because heteronymous.

_Phil_. _Negatur minor._

_X_. I prove the minor (namely, that two inconsistent principles

_are_ employed) by column the ninth; and thence, also, I deduct a

_fourth_ and a _fifth_ refutation of the table.

_Phæd_. _Euge!_ Now, this is a pleasant skirmishing.

_X_. For, in column the last, I say that the principle of

valuation employed is different from that employed in columns five and

six. Upon which I offer you this dilemma: it is--or it is not; choose.

_Phil_. Suppose I say, it is?

_X_. In that case, the result of this table is a case of _idem

per idem_; a pure childish tautology.

_Phil_. Suppose I say, it is not?

_X_. In that case, the result of this table is false.

_Phil_. Demonstrate.

_X_. I say, that the principle of valuation employed in column

nine is, not the quantity of _producing_ labor, but the quantity

of labor _commanded_. Now, if it is, then the result is childish

tautology, as being identical with the premises. For it is already

introduced into the premises as one of the conditions of the case Alpha

(namely, into column two), that twelve quarters of corn shall command

the labor of one man; which being premised, it is a mere variety of

expression for the very same fact to tell us, in column nine, that the

one hundred and fifty quarters of column the first shall command twelve

men and five tenths of a man; for one hundred and forty-four, being

twelve times twelve, will of course command twelve men, and the

remainder of six quarters will of course command the half of a man. And

it is most idle to employ the elaborate machinery of nine columns to

deduce, as a learned result, what you have already put into the

premises, and postulated amongst the conditions.

_Phæd_. This will, therefore, destroy Mr. Malthus' theory a fourth

time.

_X_. Then, on the other hand, if the principle of valuation

employed in column nine is the same as that employed in columns five

and six, this principle must be the quantity of producing labor, and

not the quantity of labor commanded. But, in that case, the result will

be false. For column nine values column the first. Now, if the one

hundred and fifty quarters of case Alpha are truly valued in column

first, then they are falsely valued in column the last; and, if truly

valued in column the last, then falsely valued in column the first.

For, by column the last, the one hundred and fifty quarters are

produced by the labor of twelve and a half men; but it is the very

condition of column the first, that the one hundred and fifty quarters

are produced by ten men.

_Phæd_. (Laughing). This is too hot to last. Here we have a fifth

refutation. Can't you give us a sixth, X.?

_X_. If you please. Supposing Mr. Malthus' theory to be good, it

shall be impossible for anything whatsoever at any time to vary in

value. For how shall it vary? Because the _quantity_ of producing

labor varies? But _that_ is the very principle which he is writing

to overthrow. Shall it vary, then, because the _value_ of the

producing labor varies? But _that_ is impossible on the system of

Mr. Malthus; for, according to this system, the value of labor is

invariable.

_Phil_. Stop! I've thought of a dodge. The thing shall vary

because the _quantity_ of labor commanded shall vary.

_X_. But how shall _that_ vary? A can never command a greater

quantity of labor, or of anything which is presumed to be of invariable

value, until A itself be of a higher value. To command an altered

quantity of labor, which (_on any theory_) must be the _consequence_

of altered value, can never be the _cause_ of altered value. No

alterations of labor, therefore, whether as to quantity or value,

shall ever account for the altered value of A; for, according to Mr.

Malthus, they are either insufficient on the one hand, or impossible

on the other.

_Phil_. Grant this, yet value may still vary; for suppose labor to

be invariable, still profits may vary.

_X_. So that, if A rise, it will irresistibly argue profits to

have risen?

_Phil_. It will; because no other element _can_ have risen.

_X_. But now column eight assigns the value of a uniform quantity

of corn--namely, one hundred quarters. In case Alpha, one hundred

quarters are worth 8.33. What are one hundred quarters worth in the

case Iota?

_Phil_. They are worth ten.

_X_. And _that_ is clearly more. Now, if A have risen, by

your own admission I am entitled to infer that profits have risen: but

what are profits in the case Iota?

_Phil_. By column four they are twenty per cent.

_X_. And what in the case Alpha?

_Phil_. By column four, twenty-five per cent.

_X_. Then profits have fallen in the case Iota, but, because

_L_ has risen in case Iota from 8.33 to ten, it is an irresistible

inference, on your theory, that profits ought to have risen.

_Phæd. (Laughing)_. Philebus, this is a sharp practice; go on, X.,

and skirmish with him a little more in this voltigeur style.

N.B.--With respect to "The Templars' Dialogues," it may possibly be

complained, that this paper is in some measure a fragment. My answer

is, that, although fragmentary in relation to the entire _system_

of Ricardo, and that previous _system_ which he opposed, it is no

fragment in relation to the radical _principle_ concerned in those

systems. The conflicting systems are brought under review simply at the

_locus_ of collision: just as the reader may have seen the

chemical theory of Dr. Priestley, and the counter-theory of his anti-

phlogistic opponents, stated within the limits of a single page. If the

principle relied on by either party can be shown to lead into

inextricable self-contradiction, _that_ is enough. So much is

accomplished in that case as was proposed from the beginning--namely,

not to exhaust the _positive_ elements of this system or that, but

simply to settle the central logic of their several polemics; to

settle, in fact, not the matter of what is evolved, but simply the

principle of evolution.

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