318. XXXVI. THE HEATHEN, OR PEOPLES OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH, IN HEAVEN.

There is a general opinion that those born outside of the church, who

are called the nations, or heathen, cannot be saved, because not

having the Word they know nothing about the Lord, and apart from the

Lord there is no salvation. But that these also are saved this alone

makes certain, that the mercy of the Lord is universal, that is,

extends to every individual; that these equally with those within the

church, who are few in comparison, are born men, and that their

ignorance of the Lord is not their fault. Any one who thinks from any

enlightened reason can see that no man is born for hell, for the Lord

is love itself and His love is to will the salvation of all.

Therefore He has provided a religion for everyone, and by it

acknowledgment of the Divine and interior life; for to live in

accordance with one's religion is to live interiorly, since one then

looks to the Divine, and so far as he looks to the Divine he does not

look to the world but separates himself from the world, that is, from

the life of the world, which is exterior life.{1}

{Footnote 1} The heathen equally with the Christians are saved

(n. 932, 1032, 1059, 2284, 2589, 2590, 3778, 4190, 4197). The

lot of the nations and peoples outside of the church in the

other life (n. 2589-2604). The church is specifically where the

Word is, and by it the Lord is known (n. 3857, 10761).

Nevertheless, those born where the Word is and where the Lord

is known are not on that account of the church, but only those

who live a life of charity and of faith (n. 6637, 10143, 10153,

10578, 10645, 10829). The Lord's church is with all in the

whole world who live in good in accordance with their religion

and acknowledge a Divine, and such are accepted of the Lord and

come into heaven (n. 2589-2604, 2861, 2863, 3263, 4190, 4197,

6700, 9256).

319. That the heathen equally with Christians are saved any one can

see who knows what it is that makes heaven in man; for heaven is

within man, and those that have heaven within them come into heaven.

Heaven with man is acknowledging the Divine and being led by the

Divine. The first and chief thing of every religion is to acknowledge

the Divine. A religion that does not acknowledge the Divine is no

religion. The precepts of every religion look to worship; thus to the

way in which the Divine is to be worshiped that the worship may be

acceptable to Him; and when this has been settled in one's mind, that

is, so far as one wills this or so far as he loves it, he is led by

the Lord. Everyone knows that the heathen as well as Christians live

a moral life, and many of them a better life than Christians. Moral

life may be lived either out of regard to the Divine or out of regard

to men in the world; and a moral life that is lived out of regard to

the Divine is a spiritual life. In outward form the two appear alike,

but in inward form they are wholly different; the one saves man, the

other does not. For he who lives a moral life out of regard to the

Divine is led by the Divine; while he who leads a moral life out of

regard to men in the world is led by himself. [2] But this may be

illustrated by an example. He that refrains from doing evil to his

neighbor because it is antagonistic to religion, that is,

antagonistic to the Divine, refrains from doing evil from a spiritual

motive; but he that refrains from doing evil to another merely from

fear of the law, or the loss of reputation, of honor, or gain, that

is, from regard to self and the world, refrains from doing evil from

a natural motive, and is led by himself. The life of the latter is

natural, that of the former is spiritual. A man whose moral life is

spiritual has heaven within him; but he whose moral life is merely

natural does not have heaven within him; and for the reason that

heaven flows in from above and opens man's interiors, and through his

interiors flows into his exteriors; while the world flows in from

beneath and opens the exteriors but not the interiors. For there can

be no flowing in from the natural world into the spiritual, but only

from the spiritual world into the natural; therefore if heaven is not

also received, the interiors remain closed. All this makes clear who

those are that receive heaven within them, and who do not. [3] And

yet heaven is not the same in one as in another. It differs in each

one in accordance with his affection for good and its truth. Those

that are in an affection for good out of regard to the Divine, love

Divine truth, since good and truth love each other and desire to be

conjoined.{1} This explains why the heathen, although they are not in

genuine truths in the world, yet because of their love receive truths

in the other life.

{Footnote 1} Between good and truth there is a kind of marriage

(n. 1904, 2173, 2508). Good and truth are in a perpetual

endeavor to be conjoined, and good longs for truth and for

conjunction with it (n. 9206, 9207, 9495). How the conjunction

of good and truth takes place, and in whom (n. 3834, 3843,

4096, 4097, 4301, 4345, 4353, 4364, 4368, 5365, 7623-7627,

9258).

320. A certain spirit from among the heathen who had lived in the

world in good of charity in accordance with his religion, hearing

Christian spirits reasoning about what must be believed, (for spirits

reason with each other far more thoroughly and acutely than men,

especially about what is good and true,) wondered at such

contentions, and said that he did not care to listen to them, for

they reasoned from appearances and fallacies; and he gave them this

instruction: "If I am good I can know from the good itself what is

true; and what I do not know I can receive."

321. I have been taught in many ways that the heathen who have led a

moral life and have lived in obedience and subordination and mutual

charity in accordance with their religion, and have thus received

something of conscience, are accepted in the other life, and are

there instructed with solicitous care by the angels in the goods and

truths of faith; and that when they are being taught they behave

themselves modestly, intelligently, and wisely, and readily accept

truths and adopt them. They have not worked out for themselves any

principles of falsity antagonistic to the truths of faith that will

need to be shaken off, still less cavils against the Lord, as many

Christians have who cherish no other idea of Him than that He is an

ordinary man. The heathen on the contrary when they hear that God has

become a Man, and has thus manifested Himself in the world,

immediately acknowledge it and worship the Lord, saying that because

God is the God of heaven and of earth, and because the human race is

His, He has fully disclosed Himself to men.{1} It is a Divine truth

that apart from the Lord there is no salvation; but this is to be

understood to mean that there is no salvation except from the Lord.

There are many earths in the universe, and all of them full of

inhabitants, scarcely any of whom know that the Lord took on the

Human on our earth. Yet because they worship the Divine under a human

form they are accepted and led by the Lord. On this subject more may

be seen in the little work on The Earths in the Universe.

{Footnote 1} Difference between the good in which the heathen

are and that in which Christians are (n. 4189, 4197). Truths

with the heathen (n. 3263, 3778, 4190). The interiors cannot be

so closed up with the heathen as with Christians (n. 9256).

Neither can so thick a cloud exist with the heathen who live in

mutual charity in accordance with their religion as with

Christians who live in no charity; the reasons (n. 1059, 9256).

The heathen cannot profane the holy things of the church as the

Christians do, because they are ignorant of them (n. 1327,

1328, 2051). They have a fear of Christians on account of their

lives (n. 2596, 2597). Those that have lived well in accordance

with their religion are taught by angels and readily accept the

truths of faith and acknowledge the Lord (n. 2049, 2595, 2598,

2600, 2601, 2603, 2861, 2863, 3263).

322. Among the heathen, as among Christians, there are both wise and

simple. That I might learn about them I have been permitted to speak

with both, sometimes for hours and days. But there are no such wise

men now as in ancient times, especially in the Ancient Church, which

extended over a large part of the Asiatic world, and from which

religion spread to many nations. That I might wholly know about them

I have been permitted to have familiar conversation with some of

these wise men. There was with me one who was among the wiser of his

time, and consequently well known in the learned world, with whom I

talked on various subjects, and had reason to believe that it was

Cicero. Knowing that he was a wise man I talked with him about

wisdom, intelligence, order, and the Word, and lastly about the Lord.

[2] Of wisdom he said that there is no other wisdom than the wisdom

of life, and that wisdom can be predicated of nothing else; of

intelligence that it is from wisdom; of order, that it is from the

Supreme God, and that to live in that order is to be wise and

intelligent. As to the Word, when I read to him something from the

prophets he was greatly delighted, especially with this, that every

name and every word signified interior things; and he wondered

greatly that learned men at this day are not delighted with such

study. I saw plainly that the interiors of his thought or mind had

been opened. He said that he was unable to hear more, as he perceived

something more holy than he could bear, being affected so interiorly.

[3] At length I spoke with him about the Lord, saying that while He

was born a man He was conceived of God, and that He put off the

maternal human and put on the Divine Human, and that it is He that

governs the universe. To this he replied that he knew some things

concerning the Lord, and perceived in his way that if mankind were to

be saved it could not have been done otherwise. In the meantime some

bad Christians infused various cavils; but to these he gave no

attention, remarking that this was not strange, since in the life of

the body they had imbibed unbecoming ideas on the subject, and until

they got rid of these they could not admit ideas that confirmed the

truth, as the ignorant can.

323. It has also been granted me to talk with others who lived in

ancient times, and who were then among the more wise. At first they

appeared in front at a distance, and were able then to perceive the

interiors of my thoughts, thus many things fully. From one idea of

thought they were able to discern the entire series and fill it with

delightful things of wisdom combined with charming representations.

From this they were perceived to be among the more wise, and I was

told that they were some of the ancient people; and when they came

nearer I read to them something from the Word, and they were

delighted beyond measure. I perceived the essence of their delight

and gratification, which arose chiefly from this, that all things and

each thing they heard from the Word were representative and

significative of heavenly and spiritual things. They said that in

their time, when they lived in the world, their mode of thinking and

speaking and also of writing was of this nature, and that this was

their pursuit of wisdom.

324. But as regards the heathen of the present day, they are not so

wise, but most of them are simple in heart. Nevertheless, those of

them that have lived in mutual charity receive wisdom in the other

life, and of these one or two examples may be cited. When I read the

seventeenth and eighteenth chapters of Judges (about Micah, and how

the sons of Dan carried away his graven image and teraphim and

Levite) a heathen spirit was present who in the life of the body had

worshiped a graven image. He listened attentively to the account of

what was done to Micah, and his grief on account of his graven image

which the Danites took away, and such grief came upon him and moved

him that he scarcely knew, by reason of inward distress, what to

think. Not only was this grief perceived, but also the innocence that

was in all his affections. The Christian spirits that were present

watched him and wondered that a worshiper of a graven image should

have so great a feeling of sympathy and innocence stirred in him.

Afterwards some good spirits talked with him, saying that graven

images should not be worshiped, and that being a man he was capable

of understanding this; that he ought, apart from a graven image, to

think of God the Creator and Ruler of the whole heaven and the whole

earth, and that God is the Lord. When this was said I was permitted

to perceive the interior nature of his adoration, which was

communicated to me; and it was much more holy than is the case of

Christians, This makes clear that at the present day the heathen come

into heaven with less difficulty than Christians, according to the

Lord's words in Luke:

Then shall they come from the east and the west, and from

the north and the south, and shall recline in the kingdom

of God. And behold, there are last who shall be first, and

there are first who shall be last (13:29, 30).

For in the state in which that spirit was he could be imbued with all

things of faith and receive them with interior affection; there was

in him the mercy of love, and in his ignorance there was innocence;

and when these are present all things of faith are received as it

were spontaneously and with joy. He was afterwards received among

angels.

325. A choir at a distance was heard one morning, and from the

choir's representations I was permitted to know that they were

Chinese, for they exhibited a kind of woolly goat, then a cake of

millet, and an ebony spoon, also the idea of a floating city. They

desired to come nearer to me, and when they had joined me they said

that they wished to be alone with me, that they might disclose their

thoughts. But they were told that they were not alone, and that some

were displeased at their wishing to be alone, although they were

guests. When they perceived this displeasure they began to think

whether they had transgressed against the neighbor, and whether they

had claimed any thing to themselves that belonged to others. All

thought in the other life being communicated I was permitted to

perceive the agitation of their minds. It consisted of a recognition

that possibly they had injured those who were displeased, of shame on

that account, together with other worthy affections; and it was thus

known that they were endowed with charity. Soon after I spoke with

them, and at last about the Lord. When I called Him "Christ" I

perceived a certain repugnance in them; but the reason was disclosed,

namely, that they had brought this from the world, from their having

learned that Christians lived worse lives than they did, and were

destitute of charity. But when I called Him simply "Lord" they were

interiorly moved. Afterwards, they were taught by the angels that the

Christian doctrine beyond every other in the world prescribes love

and charity, but that there are few who live in accordance with it.

There are heathen who have come to know while they lived in the

world, both from interaction and report, that Christians lead bad

lives, are addicted to adultery, hatred, quarreling, drunkenness, and

the like, which they themselves abhor because such things are

contrary to their religion. These in the other life are more timid

than others about accepting the truths of faith; but they are taught

by the angels that the Christian doctrine, as well as the faith

itself, teaches a very different life, but that the lives of

Christians are less in accord with their doctrine than the lives of

heathen. When they recognize this they receive the truths of faith,

and adore the Lord, but less readily than others.

326. It is a common thing for heathen that have worshiped any god

under an image or statue, or any graven thing to be introduced, when

they come into the other life, to certain spirits in place of their

gods or idols, in order that they may rid themselves of their

fantasies. When they have been with these for some days, the

fantasies are put away. Also those that have worshiped men are

sometimes introduced to the men they have worshiped, or to others in

their place--as many of the Jews to Abraham, Jacob, Moses, and

David-but when they come to see that they are human the same as

others, and that they can give them no help, they become ashamed, and

are carried to their own places in accordance with their lives. Among

the heathen in heaven the Africans are most beloved, for they receive

the goods and truths of heaven more readily than others. They

especially wish to be called obedient, but not faithful. They say

that as Christians possess the doctrine of faith they may be called

faithful; but not they unless they accept that doctrine, or as they

say, have the ability to accept it.

327. I have talked with some who were in the Ancient Church. That is

called the Ancient Church that was established after the deluge, and

extended through many kingdoms, namely, Assyria, Mesopotamia, Syria,

Ethiopia, Arabia, Libya, Egypt, Philistia as far as Tyre and Zidon,

and through the land of Canaan on both sides of the Jordan.{1} The

men of this church knew about the Lord that He was to come, and were

imbued with the goods of faith, and yet they fell away and became

idolaters. These spirits were in front towards the left, in a dark

place and in a miserable state. Their speech was like the sound of a

pipe of one tone, almost without rational thought. They said they had

been there for many centuries, and that they are sometimes taken out

that they may serve others for certain uses of a low order. From this

I was led to think about many Christians--who are inwardly though not

outwardly idolaters, since they are worshipers of self and of the

world, and in heart deny the Lord-what lot awaits such in the other

life.

{Footnote 1} The first and Most Ancient Church on this earth

was that which is described in the first chapters of Genesis,

and that church above all others was celestial (n. 607, 895,

920, 1121-1124, 2896, 4493, 8891, 9942, 10545). What the

celestial are in heaven (n. 1114-1125). There were various

churches after the flood which are called ancient churches (n.

1125-1127, 1327, 10355). What the men of the Ancient Church

were (n. 609, 895). The ancient churches were representative

churches (n. 519, 521, 2896). In the Ancient Church there was a

Word, but it has been lost (n. 2897). The character of the

Ancient Church when it began to decline (n. 1128). The

difference between the Most Ancient Church and the Ancient

Church (n. 597, 607, 640, 641, 765, 784, 895, 4493). The

statutes, the judgments, and the laws, which were commanded in

the Jewish Church, were in part like those in the Ancient

Church (n. 4288, 4449, 10149). The God of the Most Ancient

Church and of the Ancient Church was the Lord, and He was

called Jehovah (n. 1343, 6846).

328. That the church of the Lord is spread over all the globe, and is

thus universal; and that all those are in it who have lived in the

good of charity in accordance with their religion; and that the

church, where the Word is and by means of it the Lord is known, is in

relation to those who are out of the church like the heart and lungs

in man, from which all the viscera and members of the body have their

life, variously according to their forms, positions, and

conjunctions, may be seen above (n. 308).

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