ON TALK AND TALKERS

The other day I went to dine at a house known for the brilliancy of the

conversation. I confess that I found the experience a little trying.

In conversation I am naturally rather a pedestrian person. The talk I

like is the talk which Washington Irving had in mind when he said that

"that is the best company in which the jokes are rather small and the

laughter abundant." I do not want to be expected to be brilliant or to

be dazzled by verbal pyrotechnics. I like to talk in my slippers, as

it were, with my legs at full stretch, my mind at ease, and with all

the evening before me. Above all, I like the company of people who

talk for enjoyment and not for admiration. "I am none of those who

sing for meat, but for company," says Isaac Walton, and therein is the

secret of good talk as well as of cheerful song. But at this dinner

table the conversation flashed around me like forked lightning. It was

so staccato and elusive that it seemed like talking in shorthand. It

was a very fencing match of wit and epigram, a sort of game of

touch-and-go, or tip-and-run, or catch-as-catch-can, or battledore and

shuttlecock, or demon patience, or anything you like that is

intellectually and physically breathless and baffling. I thought of a

bright thing to say now and then, but I was always so slow in getting

away from the mark that I never got it out. It had grown stale and out

of date before I could invest it with the artistic merit that would

enable it to appear in such brilliant company. And so, mentally out of

breath, I just sat and felt old-fashioned and slow, and tried to catch

the drift of the sparkling dialogue. But I looked as wise as possible,

just to give the impression that nothing was escaping me, and that the

things I did not say were quite worth saying. That was Henry Irving's

way when the conversation got beyond him. He just looked wise and said

nothing.

There are few things more enviable than the quality of good talk, but

this was not good talk. It was clever talk, which is quite a different

thing. There was no "stuff" in it. It was like trying to make a meal

off the east wind, which it resembled in its hard brilliancy and lack

of geniality. It reminded me of the tiresome witticisms of Mr. Justice

Darling, who always gives the impression of having just come into court

from the study of some jest book or a volume of appropriate quotations.

The foundation of good talk is good sense, good nature, and the gift of

fellowship. Given these things you may serve them up with the sauce of

wit, but wit alone never made good conversation. It is like mint sauce

without the lamb.

Fluent talkers are not necessarily good conversationalists. Macaulay

talked as though he were addressing a public meeting, and Coleridge as

though he were engaged in an argument with space and eternity. "If any

of you have got anything to say," said Samuel Rogers to his guests at

breakfast one morning, "you had better say it now you have got a

chance. Macaulay is coming." And you remember that whimsical story of

Lamb cutting off the coat button that Coleridge held him by in the

garden at Highgate, going for his day's work into the City, returning

in the evening, hearing Coleridge's voice, looking over the hedge and

seeing the poet with the button between forefinger and thumb still

talking into space. His life was an unending monologue. "I think,

Charles, that you never heard me preach," said Coleridge once, speaking

of his pulpit days. "My dear boy," answered Lamb, "I never heard you

do anything else."

Johnson's talk had the quality of conversation, because, being a

clubbable man, he enjoyed the give-and-take and the cut-and-thrust of

the encounter. He liked to "lay his mind to yours," as he said of

Thurlow, and though he was more than a little "huffy" on occasion he

had that wealth of humanity which is the soul of hearty conversation.

He quarrelled heartily and forgave heartily--as in that heated scene at

Sir Joshua's when a young stranger had been too talkative and knowing

and had come under his sledge hammer. Then, proceeds Boswell, "after a

short pause, during which we were somewhat uneasy;--Johnson: Give me

your hand, Sir. You were too tedious and I was too short.--Mr. ----:

Sir, I am honoured by your attention in any way.--Johnson: Come, Sir,

let's have no more of it. We offend one another by our contention; let

us not offend the company by our compliments." He always had the

company in mind. He no more thought of talking alone than a boxer

would think of boxing alone, or the tennis player would think of

rushing up to the net for a rally alone. He wanted something to hit

and something to parry, and the harder he hit and the quicker he

parried the more he loved the other fellow. That is the way with all

the good talkers of our own time. Perhaps Mr. Belloc is too cyclonic

and scornful for perfect conversation, but his energy and wit are

irresistible. I find Mr. Bernard Shaw far more tolerant and much less

aggressive in conversation than on paper or on the platform. But the

princes of the art, in my experience, are Mr. Birrell, Lord Morley, and

Mr. Richard Whiteing, the first for the rich wine of his humour, the

second for the sensitiveness and delicacy of his thought, the third for

the deep love of his kind that warms the generous current of his talk.

I would add Mr. John Burns, but he is really a soloist. He is too

interesting to himself to be sufficiently interested in others. When

he is well under way you simply sit round and listen. It is capital

amusement, but it is not conversation.

It is not the man who talks abundantly who alone keeps the pot of

conversation boiling. Some of the best talkers talk little. They save

their shots for critical moments and come in with sudden and

devastating effect. Lamb had that art, and his stammer was the perfect

vehicle of his brilliant sallies. Mr. Arnold Bennett in our time uses

the same hesitation with delightful effect--sometimes with a shattering

truthfulness that seems to gain immensely from the preliminary

obstruction that has to be overcome. And I like in my company of

talkers the good listener, the man who contributes an eloquent silence

which envelops conversation in an atmosphere of vigilant but friendly

criticism. Addison had this quality of eloquent silence. Goldsmith,

on the other hand, would have liked to shine, but had not the gift of

talk. Among the eloquent listeners of our day I place that fine writer

and critic, Mr. Robert Lynd, whose quiet has a certain benignant

graciousness, a tolerant yet vigilant watchfulness, that adds its

flavour to the more eager talk of others.

It was a favourite fancy of Samuel Rogers that "perhaps in the next

world the use of words may be dispensed with--that our thoughts may

stream into each other's minds without any verbal communication." It

is an idea which has its attractions. It would save time and effort,

and would preserve us from the misunderstandings which the clumsy

instrument of speech involves. I think, as I sit here in the orchard

by the beehive and watch the bees carrying out their myriad functions

with such disciplined certainty, that there must be the possibility of

mutual understanding without speech--an understanding such as that

which Coleridge believed humanity would have discovered and exploited

if it had been created mute.

And yet I do not share Rogers's hope. I fancy the next world will be

like this, only better. I think it will resound with the familiar

speech of our earthly pilgrimage, and that in any shady walk or among

any of the fields of asphodel over which we wander we may light upon

the great talkers of history, and share in their eternal disputation.

There, under some spreading oak or beech, I shall hope to see Carlyle

and Tennyson, or Lamb and Hazlitt and Coleridge, or Johnson laying down

the law to Langton and Burke and Beauclerk, with Bozzy taking notes, or

Ben Jonson and Shakespeare continuing those combats of the Mermaid

Tavern described by Fuller--the one mighty and lumbering like a Spanish

galleon, the other swift and supple of movement like an English

frigate--or Chaucer and his Canterbury pilgrims still telling tales on

an eternal May morning. It is a comfortable thought, but I cannot

conceive it without the odd, cheerful din of contending tongues. I

fancy edging myself into those enchanted circles, and having a modest

share in the glorious pow-wows of the masters. I hope they won't vote

me a bore and scatter at my approach.

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