_Mr. Roscoe._--"The results of the labours of Mr. Williams and his

coadjutors in the propagation of the gospel, form a very strong

argument against the dogma of Apostolical Succession, for which

a party in our church are contending with so much Jesuitical

artifice and overbearing intolerance. Dr. Hook, one of their

leaders, says--and all the clergy of his school subscribe to his

sentiments--'Unless Christ be spiritually present with the ministers

of religion in their services, these services will be in vain.'

I admit this: but then he adds, what I cannot admit, because it

is in palpable opposition to indisputable facts--'But the only

ministrations to which he has _promised_ his presence, are to

those of the bishops who are successors of the first commissioned

apostles, and the other clergy acting under their sanction and by

their authority. I therefore,' he adds, 'at once abandon expediency,

submission to constituted authority, decency, and order, as the

ground of our defence of our clerical commission, and appeal to the

promise given by Jesus Christ to his apostles, and which promise, by

coming down to us as their successors, marks us _exclusively_ for

God's ambassadors.'[32]

[32] See Dr. Hook's Sermons on Church and Establishments.

"If we contrast this vain boasting of the Tractarians with

indisputable facts, how strange does it appear! Here I find from the

life of Williams, that instead of studying at Cambridge or Oxford,

he was serving as an apprentice to an ironmonger, in the City Road,

London; and, if not a positive infidel, he was addicted to habits

of impiety, if not intemperance, spending his Sabbath evenings at

a public tavern. On one occasion, a pious female friend saw him

loitering about in front of the tabernacle in Moorfields, where

he expected to meet the companions of his nightly revels; but to

mortify them because they were not punctual to their engagement, he

yielded to her entreaties to go with her into the tabernacle and

hear the sermon." Then, taking up the _Life of Williams_,[33] which

lay on a side table, he read the following passage:--"Such a state

of mind was anything but favourable to the serious consideration of

sacred subjects; and few ever entered the house of God less prepared

to profit by its services. The Rev. Timothy East, of Birmingham,

occupied the pulpit that evening, January 30, 1814, and preached

from the weighty question, 'For what shall it profit a man, if he

shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a

man give in exchange for his soul?' (Mark viii. 36, 37). The word

came with power, and with demonstration of the Holy Spirit upon the

mind of his youthful auditor." "Now this young man," continued Mr.

Roscoe, "reclaimed from the error of his ways by what Paul calls

the foolishness of preaching, after tarrying at home long enough

to give evidence of the genuineness of his conversion to God, and

receive instruction to fit him for the work to which he had devoted

himself, goes to the South Seas, learns the language of the natives,

and commences the work of evangelizing them; and this book is a

faithful record and report of his extraordinary labours. He received

no episcopal ordination in the regular line of descent; but was

he not God's ambassador of grace and mercy to these once savage

and cannibal islanders? and if so, Dr. Hook asserts what is not

absolutely true, that none are God's ambassadors except the clergy

of the Church of England and Papal priests."

[33] _The Life of the Rev. John Williams._ By the Rev. E. Prout.

Snow, London.

_Mr. Stevens._--"The minister who preached the last anniversary

sermons in my chapel, in behalf of our Sabbath-schools, informed me,

when we were chatting about apostolic succession, that he knew the

ecclesiastic ancestors of Mr. Williams, and gave me his pedigree,

remarking that he was descended from 'a succession of bishops, who

neither had palaces nor seats in the House of Lords.' Mr. Jay,

of Bath, was the instrument employed by the Spirit of God in the

conversion of the Rev. O. A. Jeary, of Rodborough, Gloucestershire,

who was employed by the Holy Spirit in the conversion of the Rev. T.

East, and he was employed by the same Divine agent in the conversion

of the Rev. J. Williams. We thus see that the moral revolutions and

spiritual transformations which have taken place in the South Sea

Islands are not to be ascribed, in the slightest degree, either

subordinately or instrumentally, to the intervention of Episcopal

power or authority. Not one employed in any department of this

wondrous work, occupied a position in the regular line of descent

from the apostles, nor had any one of them received ordination from

an Episcopal bishop."

_Rev. Mr. Guion._--"A Tractarian who admits the truthfulness of Mr.

Williams' report of the success of his own labours, and those of his

coadjutors, would probably look on this as an exceptional case to

the established law of order prevalent in the church, which we all

know requires ordination to precede preaching or the administration

of the sacraments. And I see no very strong objection to this view

of the matter, because we find that, even in apostolic times, the

disciples who were scattered at the persecution of Stephen went to

different places preaching the Word, though they were not ordained

to the work as the apostles were (Acts xi. 19, 20)."

_Mr. Roscoe._--"I admit there is some force in the popular

saying--'There is no rule without an exception;' and I admit,

also, that the exception establishes rather than subverts the

rule from which it is a deviation; but then there must be some

proof that it is really an exception. Regarding the case of the

dispersed disciples to which you have referred, I see no evidence

in confirmation of its being a deviation from any fixed rule of

government established within the pale of the church, because I

find other cases reported which bear such a strong analogy to it,

that I am compelled to believe that no absolute and undeviating

regulations on this subject can be found in the New Testament. We

find for example (Acts i. 26), that Matthias was chosen to the

apostleship as the successor of Judas; but it does not appear from

the record of the transaction, that he was ordained to this office

by the other eleven apostles with whom he took rank. Again, the

case of Paul is still more decisive against the Tractarian dogma

that no one can preach or administer the sacraments with efficacy,

unless he derive his official authority and power to do so from the

apostles, or some one to whom they have delegated their authority

and power. He assumed the designation of an apostle, and did the

work of an apostle, some years before he saw any one of the twelve,

acting as independently of them, as they did of him; and when they

met at Jerusalem they did not require him to submit to ordination

administered by them: and, at a subsequent period of his history,

when he was called by the Holy Spirit (Acts xiii. 1-5) to go and

preach the Word of God in the synagogues of the Jews in Seleucia

and other places, he[34] was set apart to _this work_, not to _any

office_, by _subordinate members_ of the church at Antioch, termed

prophets and teachers, who, when they had fasted and prayed, and

laid their hands on Paul and Barnabas, sent them away. These things

occurred just when a new system of government was introduced into

the church, that was to be perpetuated through all future ages.

Here, then, we see pious laymen sallying forth and preaching in

different places the Lord Jesus, with such power that many believed

and turned unto him (Acts xi. 19-21); and we see also some holding

the highest office in the Christian church without undergoing the

ceremony of consecration by pre-existing officials, and yet these

facts are recorded in Scripture without any notification that they

are exceptions to fixed and absolute laws. Such a notification would

have proved a decisive evidence in confirmation of such laws had

they been established. We thus see that the plain, indisputable

facts of the New Testament are in direct opposition to the high

church principles of our Tractarians."

[34] If we suppose, with some of the Tractarians, that he was

now ordained to the _apostolic office_, then we have a series of

irregularities: he labours for years before he receives ordination,

and when he does receive it, it is not from the hands of _apostles_,

but some very _inferior officials_ connected with the church at

Antioch.

_Rev. Mr. Ingleby._--"I have long maintained that this dogma of

apostolical succession is an ecclesiastical monopoly which has

no sanction from the Word of the Lord, and it is too selfish in

its nature to harmonize with the free and generous spirit of the

Christian dispensation. If it be the will of Jesus Christ, the

supreme Legislator of his church, that no one shall preach the

gospel or administer the sacraments with spiritual efficacy until he

is ordained to the work by an apostle, or some bishop who can trace

his lineal descent from an apostle with absolute certainty, how can

such a restricted law as this be known unless he expressly enacts it

either by an immediate revelation of his will, or through the medium

of the inspired writers? No one pretends that an express revelation

has ever been given in reference to such a restriction, and I have

never been able to find an implied regulation in any chapter or

verse of the New Testament. To say that we, and we exclusively, are

the priests of the Lord, and, if you wish to be saved, you must

intrust your souls to our ghostly power--that we, and we only, have

the keys of the kingdom of heaven--that we open and shut by virtue

of the authority delegated to us by St. Peter and St. Paul--is

nothing less on the part of the Papal and Tractarian clergy than

a monopoly of official authority and power, unsanctioned by the

authority of Jesus Christ, and a subtle manoeuvre to magnify their

own order. That a Papist should believe this, who is trained in the

belief that the laws and regulations of his church are absolute

and unchangeable, is not surprising; but that a Protestant should

believe it, who has free access to his Bible, and been taught to

hold its absolute and exclusive authority on all articles of faith

and practice, is indeed a moral paradox which I cannot explain."

_Rev. Mr. Guion._--"Yes, Sir, it is a monopoly which has no sanction

from Jesus Christ, the supreme Legislator in his church, and one

which entails repulsive and fearful consequences. It compels its

advocates to shun all Christian alliance with many of the excellent

of the earth, and drives them into the closest connection with many

who are moral miscreants, men of impurity, sceptics, and scoffers.

Such men as Chalmers and Wardlaw, Robert Hall and William Jay, are

branded as usurpers in the church, with whom it would be a sort of

treason to associate, and whose ministrations must be denounced as

a fatal curse to their deluded adherents, while those clergymen who

have received the so-called apostolical ordination, however immoral

they may be in conduct, or heterodox in teaching, are to be revered

and obeyed as the true and faithful ministers of Jesus Christ. There

is in all this something so repugnant to common-sense and Christian

feeling--so derogatory to personal dignity and pure taste--and so

calculated to excite the contempt of infidels against the whole

clerical order, that I am astonished how any one who cherishes the

slightest degree of reverence for the authority of Jesus Christ, or

who has imbibed a particle of his pure and loving spirit, can submit

to its dominion and governing power, especially when he is told

that, _if he has not the spirit of Christ, he is none of his_."

_Mr. Roscoe._--"Your very just and forcible remarks remind me of

a paragraph in the _Edinburgh Review_,[35] which I marked for

reference, and which, by your permission, I will read: it is an

amplification of your remarks on this very objectionable feature

of Tractarianism:--'The strongest and most irrefragable argument

against the principles held by the Tractarians appears to us not

their absurdity, though that is flagrant enough, but their essential

uncharitableness. We stand absolutely confounded at the fatuity

of men, who, with the New Testament in their hands, profess to

be willing to fraternize with Rome, but cannot fraternize with

Lutherans and Presbyterians; who affect to consider the points of

difference between the Church of Spain and the Church of England

less vital than those between the Church of England and that of

Scotland; who, for the sake of such a figment as apostolical

succession and other figments as shadowy, remorselessly exclude a

large portion of the communities of Christendom from the very name,

rights, and privileges of Christian churches; who can imagine the

great doctrines in which both they and their opponents coincide,

and which form the theme and triumph of inspired eloquence, of

less moment than doctrines and rites on which the Scripture is

ominously silent, or which seem to stand in shocking contrast to the

moral grandeur and magnanimous spirit of the Christian institute.

Yet so it is; and we need no other evidence of the degrading and

narrowing effects of such principles than that this most melancholy

result of them should inspire so little sorrow, or rather should

be so frequently proclaimed more in triumph than with regret.

The generality of the Oxford school proclaim the consequences of

their principles not only with an arrogance which ill befits such

equivocal conclusions, but without a particle of sorrow, which, if

true, they would naturally excite in the breast of every benevolent

man.'"

[35] April, 1843.

_Rev. Mr. Guion._--"As they are, in common with their Papal

brethren, intolerant on _principle_, and that _principle one_

which, in their opinion, involves the honour of the church, and the

final happiness of the soul of man, they cannot feel any regret,

when adverting to its necessary consequences in its application to

other churches and sects, without being self-convicted of positive

inconsistency; they must adhere to their principle of exclusive

intolerance, in spite of all the odium it may cast on their theory

of belief. And this stern and steady adherence to a principle

which compels them, as by the force of a Divine law, to prefer

fraternizing with the Papacy, with all its arrogant claims, its

assumed prerogatives, and its repugnant ceremonial regulations,

rather than fraternize with their Protestant brethren who contend

earnestly for the pure faith of the New Testament, is to me a

conclusive proof that their theory of belief is anti-Christian in

its character and tendency, as the unerring test may be applied to

_principles_ as well as to _persons_--'_If any man have not the

Spirit of Christ, he is none of his_,' Rom. viii. 9."

_Rev. Mr. Ingleby._--"If we are to receive the doctrine of

apostolical succession as correct, we must then admit as a fact

what to every reflecting mind will appear most incongruous and

extraordinary. The theory held by our Tractarian clergy in common

with the Romish Church, is, That each bishop, from the apostolical

times, has received in his consecration a mysterious gift, and also

transmits to every priest in his ordination a mysterious gift,

indicated in the respective offices by the awful words, 'Receive

the Holy Ghost;' that on this the right of priests to assume

their functions, and the preternatural grace of the sacraments

administered by them, depends; that bishops, once consecrated, are

invested with the remarkable property of transmitting the gift

to others; that this has been the case from the primitive age

till now; that this high gift has been incorruptibly transmitted

through the hands of impure, profligate, heretical ecclesiastics,

as ignorant and flagitious as any of their lay contemporaries;

that, in fact, these gifts are perfectly irrespective of the moral

character and qualifications both of bishop and priest; and reside

in equal integrity in a Latimer or a Bonner--a virtuous man or a

profligate--an imbecile or a genius."

_Rev. Mr. Guion._--"I believe, Sir," said he, addressing the Rev.

Mr. Roscoe, "you were once a strenuous advocate of this theory

of apostolical succession; will you permit me to ask you a few

questions, which may tend to expose its gross absurdity--its

shameless jugglery to magnify the glory of an ambitious priesthood,

who evince more zeal and devotion in behalf of their own order than

they do for the purity and spiritual triumphs of the Christian

faith?"

_Rev. Mr. Roscoe._--"Yes, Sir; I confess, with some degree of

shame, that I once entertained the belief that some mysterious gift

was transmitted from the bishop to the priest at the time of his

ordination."

_Rev. Mr. Guion._--"Was this gift, in your opinion or belief,

transmitted to the intellect or to the heart, or to both? Or in

other words, did it give additional acuteness to your intellectual

faculty--extend the range of your knowledge of Divine truth, or did

it increase the purity of your soul, and raise your affections to a

higher pitch of devotional feeling?"

_Rev. Mr. Roscoe._--"To be candid, Sir, I took for granted the truth

of the doctrine as to the mysterious transmission of a mysterious

something; but when I reflected on it, as I sometimes did, even

before I was rescued from the meshes of Tractarian delusions, I

felt as though my mind were revolving in a circle: I could see

nothing; I could feel nothing. I was the same man in knowledge, in

intelligence, in taste, and in devotional feeling, after the solemn

words, _Receive the Holy Ghost_, were uttered, as I was before they

fell from the lips of the bishop."

_Mr. Roscoe._--"It amounts then simply to this, and it is of no use

to attempt to disguise the fact, that what is deemed the _essential

part_ of the ordination service, is either a solemn farce, or it is

a positive reality, and in that case it must be received without a

particle of evidence in its support. The bishop who transmits the

gift is not conscious that he possesses what he pretends to give;

and the person who receives it is not conscious of receiving it at

the time it is imparted: both the giver and receiver are in the

same condition of unconsciousness, during the mysterious process of

giving and receiving the inexplicable and inconceivable something,

on which the authority of the priest to officiate, and the vital

efficacy of all his ministrations, are made dependent. This is

most marvellous! more like an extravagant invention to answer some

special device, than a sober reality of Divine appointment."

_Rev. Mr. Guion._--"I have no doubt but a scrupulous and

conscientious clergyman will sometimes feel a painful degree of

perplexity when musing on the very mysterious process of bestowing

and receiving this gift, so essential to the identity of his

priestly character, and the vital efficacy of his official labours;

and should he begin to doubt, as possibly he may, whether the

bishop actually bestowed on him the gift, or whether he actually

received it, his doubts must remain, and will very likely increase

and multiply, because no living oracle, or conclusive evidence, or

logical reasoning can afford him any relief. Though I am not very

fond of introducing caustic irony in the discussion of such a grave

question, yet the following paragraph from the _Review_ already

quoted may not be inappropriate:--

"'We can imagine the perplexity of a presbyter thus cast in doubt

as to whether or not he has ever had the invaluable 'gift' of

apostolical succession conferred upon him. As that 'gift' is

neither tangible nor visible, the subject neither of experience

nor consciousness--as it cannot be known by any 'effects' produced

by it--he may imagine, unhappy man! that he has been regenerating

infants by baptism, when he has been simply sprinkling them with

water. 'What is the matter?' the spectator of his distractions might

ask. 'What have you lost?' 'Lost!' would be the reply; 'I fear I

have lost my apostolical succession; or rather, my misery is, that

I do not know and cannot tell whether I ever had it to lose!' It is

of no avail here to suggest the usual questions--'When did you see

it last?' 'When were you last conscious of possessing it?' What a

peculiar property is that, of which, though so invaluable--nay, on

which the whole efficacy of the Christian ministry depends--a man

has no positive evidence to show whether he ever had it or not!

which, if ever conferred, was conferred without his knowledge; and

which, if it could be taken away, would still leave him ignorant

not only when, where, and how the theft was committed, but whether

it had ever been committed or not! The sympathizing friend might

probably remind him, that as he was not sure he had ever had it, so,

_perhaps_, he still had it without knowing it. '_Perhaps_,' he would

reply, 'but it is certainty I want.' Such a perplexed presbyter, and

doubtless there are many such, is in a regular fix; and there he

must remain, calling on his idols for help, but, like the priests of

Baal, calling in vain, as there is no power in heaven above, or in

the earth beneath, which can rescue a man from the terror of his own

delusions, till the delusions themselves are abandoned as visionary

and absurd.'"

_Mr. Roscoe._--"This question of apostolical succession, when

cleared of its legendary mysticism, and brought within the pale

of sober reality, may be employed as a very cogent argument in

confirmation of the historic truthfulness of the Christian faith

and its institutions, in refutation of some of the objections of

infidelity. 'The existence of such an order of _men as Christian

ministers_, continually from the apostles to this day, is perhaps,'

as Archbishop Whately remarks,[36] 'as complete a moral certainty

as any historical fact can be; because it is plain that if, at the

present day, or a century ago, or ten centuries ago, a number of men

had appeared in the world, professing (as the clergy do now) to hold

a recognized office in a Christian church, to which they had been

regularly appointed as successors to others, whose predecessors, in

like manner, had held the same, and so on, from the times of the

apostles--if, I say, such a pretence had been put forth by a set of

men assuming an office which no one had ever heard of before, it is

plain that they would at once have been refuted and exposed. And as

this will apply equally to each successive generation of Christian

ministers, till we come up to the time when the institution was

confessedly new--that is, to the time when Christian ministers were

appointed by the apostles, who professed themselves eye-witnesses

of the resurrection--we have a standing monument in the Christian

ministry of the fact of that event as having been proclaimed

immediately after the time when it was said to have occurred. This,

therefore, is fairly brought forward as an evidence of its truth.'"

[36] Whately on the _Kingdom of Christ_, p. 180.

_Rev. Mr. Guion._--"Yes, Sir, the unbroken succession of the

ministerial order, from the times of the apostles till now, is,

in my opinion, an irrefutable evidence that Christianity took

its rise at the period of its asserted origin, and that we have

the _essential substance_, at least, of the same faith which the

apostles established in Jerusalem, Ephesus, and other places; and

that this same faith is administered by a distinct order of men,

whose business it is, and ever has been, to propagate it and hand

it down to the next generation succeeding them. As an argument of

confirmation and defence in relation to the historic certainty of

our faith and its institutions, it is of great value and importance;

but, as Whately very justly remarks in his incomparable _Essays_,

Successionists are guilty of a fallacy in the use which they make

of it--'The fallacy consists in confounding together the unbroken

apostolical succession of _a Christian ministry generally_, and the

same succession in an unbroken line of _this_ or _that individual

minister_.' The existence of the order may be traced up to the

times of the apostles; but this supplies no evidence in proof that

each, or any one minister of the order now living is a legitimate

descendant, in the genealogical line, from either of the two

favourite apostles, St. Peter or St. Paul. And hence the argument,

which is a splendid triumph to Christianity, is a dumb oracle to

Tractarianism."

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