He answered very angrily: "No, you gained entirely too much."

"Well," I then said, "I am very fresh this morning. But what did

you do last night?"

He answered that he was so exhausted that he went to Delmonico's

and ordered the best dinner possible. Then he went on to say:

"A friend told me a little game was going on up-stairs, and in

a close room filled with tobacco smoke I played poker until two

o'clock and drank several high-balls. The result is, I think we

better postpone this meeting, for I do not feel like doing

anything to-day."

"My dear friend," I said, "you will get the credit of giving your

whole time to business, while I am by doing what refreshes my mind

discredited, because it gets in the papers. I shall keep my

method regardless of consequences."

He kept his, and although much younger than myself died years ago.

George B. Roberts, president of the Pennsylvania, was a very wise

executive and of all-around ability. Frank Thompson, vice-president

and afterwards president of the same road, was one of the ablest

operating officers of his time and a most delightful personality.

Mr. A. J. Cassatt was a great engineer and possessed rare foresight

and vision. He brought the Pennsylvania into New York City through

a tunnel under the Hudson River, continued the tunnel across the

city to the East River and then under the river to connect with the

Long Island, which he had acquired for his system.

D. W. Caldwell, president of the New York, Chicago, and St. Louis,

added to railway ability wit and humor. He told a good story on

Mr. George Roberts. Caldwell was at one time division superintendent

under President Roberts. He had obtained permission to build a new

station-house, in whose plan and equipment he was deeply interested.

It was Mr. Roberts's habit, by way of showing his subordinates

that he was fully aware of their doings, to either add or take away

something from their projects.

Caldwell prepared a station-house according to his ideas, and,

to prevent Roberts from making any essential changes he added

an unnecessary bay window to the front of the passengers' room.

Roberts carefully examined the plans and said: "Remove that bay

window," and then approved the plan, and Caldwell had what

he wanted.

Caldwell used to tell of another occasion when on a Western line

he had over him a very severe and harsh disciplinarian as president.

This president was a violent prohibitionist and had heard that

Caldwell was a bonvivant. He sent for Caldwell to discipline or

discharge him. After a long and tiresome journey Caldwell arrived

at the president's house. His first greeting was: "Mr. Caldwell,

do you drink?"

Caldwell, wholly unsuspicious, answered: "Thank you, Mr. President,

I am awfully tired and will take a little rye."

Mr. E. B. Thomas, president of the Lehigh Valley, was a valuable

member of the association. The Baltimore and Ohio, as usual, had

its president, Mr. Charles F. Mayer, accompanied by an able staff.

The Erie was represented by one of the most capable and genial

of its many presidents, Mr. John King.

King was a capital story-teller, and among them I remember this

one: At one time he was general manager of the Baltimore and Ohio

under John W. Garrett. In order to raise money for his projected

extensions, Garrett had gone to Europe. The times were financially

very difficult. Johns Hopkins, the famous philanthropist, died.

His immortal monument is the Johns Hopkins University and Medical

School. Everybody in Baltimore attended the funeral. Among the

leading persons present was another John King, a banker, who was

Hopkins's executor. A messenger-boy rushed in with a cable for

John King, and handed it to John King, the executor, who sat at

the head of the mourners. He read it and then passed it along

so that each one could read it until it reached John King, of the

Baltimore and Ohio, who sat at the foot of the line. The cable

read as follows: "Present my sympathies to the family and my high

appreciation of Mr. Johns Hopkins, and borrow from the executor

all you can at five per cent. Garrett."

Commodore Vanderbilt was succeeded in the presidency by his son,

William H. Vanderbilt, who was then past forty years old and had

been a successful farmer on Staten Island. He was active in

neighborhood affairs and in politics. This brought him in close

contact with the people and was of invaluable benefit to him when

he became president of a great railroad corporation. He also

acquired familiarity in railway management as a director of one

on Staten Island.

Mr. William H. Vanderbilt was a man of great ability, and his

education made him in many ways an abler man than his father

for the new conditions he had to meet. But, like many a capable

son of a famous father, he did not receive the credit which was

due him because of the overshadowing reputation of the commodore.

Nevertheless, on several occasions he exhibited the highest

executive qualities.

One of the great questions of the time was the duty of railroads

to the cities in which they terminated, and the decision of the

roads south of New York to have lower rates to Philadelphia and

Baltimore. New York felt so secure in the strength of its unrivalled

harbor and superior shipping facilities that the merchants and

financiers were not alarmed. Very soon, however, there was such

a diversion of freight from New York as to threaten very seriously

its export trade and the superiority of its port. The commercial

leaders of the city called upon Mr. Vanderbilt, who after the

conference said to them: "I will act in perfect harmony with you

and will see that the New York Central Railroad protects New York City

regardless of the effect upon its finances." The city representatives

said: "That is very fine, and we will stand together."

Mr. Vanderbilt immediately issued a statement that the rates to

the seaboard should be the same to all ports, and that the

New York Central would meet the lowest rates to any port by

putting the same in effect on its own lines. The result was

the greatest railroad war since railroads began to compete.

Rates fell fifty per cent, and it was a question of the survival

of the fittest. Commerce returned to New York, and the competing

railroads, to avoid bankruptcy, got together and formed the

Trunk Line Association.

New York City has not always remembered how intimately bound is

its prosperity with that of the great railroad whose terminal is

within its city limits. Mr. Vanderbilt found that the railroad and

its management were fiercely assailed in the press, in the

legislature, and in municipal councils. He became convinced that

no matter how wise or just or fair the railroad might be in the

interests of every community and every business which were so

dependent upon its transportation, the public would not submit to

any great line being owned by one man. The Vanderbilt promptness

in arriving at a decision was immediately shown. He called upon

Mr. Pierpont Morgan, and through him a syndicate, which Morgan

formed, took and sold the greater part of Mr. Vanderbilt's

New York Central stock. The result was that the New York Central

from that time was owned by the public. It is a tribute to the

justice and fairness of the Vanderbilt management that though the

management has been submitted every year since to a stockholders'

vote, there has practically never been any opposition to a

continuance of the Vanderbilt policy and management.

Among the most important of the many problems during Mr. Vanderbilt's

presidency was the question of railway commissions, both in national

and State governments. In my professional capacity of general

counsel, and in common with representatives of other railroads,

I delivered argumentative addresses against them. The discussions

converted me, and I became convinced of their necessity. The

rapidly growing importance of railway transportation had created

the public opinion that railway management should be under the

control and supervision of some public body; that all passengers

or shippers, or those whose land was taken for construction and

development, should have an appeal from the decision of the railway

managers to the government through a government commission.

As soon as I was convinced that commissions were necessary for

the protection of both the public and the railroads, I presented

this view to Mr. Vanderbilt. The idea was contrary to his education,

training, and opinion. It seemed to me that it was either a

commission or government ownership, and that the commission, if

strengthened as a judicial body, would be as much of a protection

to the bond and stock holders and the investing public as to the

general public and the employees. Mr. Vanderbilt, always

open-minded, adopted this view and supported the commission system

and favored legislation in its behalf.

In 1883 Mr. Vanderbilt decided, on account of illness, to retire

from the presidency, and Mr. James H. Rutter was elected his

successor. Mr. Rutter was the ablest freight manager in the

country, but his health gave way under the exactions of executive

duties, and I acted largely for him during his years of service.

He died early in 1885, and I was elected president.

The war with the West Shore had been on for several years, with

disastrous results to both companies. The Ontario and Western,

which had large terminal facilities near Jersey City on the west

side of the Hudson, ran for fifty miles along the river before

turning into the interior. At its reorganization it had ten millions

of cash in the treasury. With this as a basis, its directors

decided to organize a new railroad, to be called the West Shore,

and parallel the New York Central through its entire length to

Buffalo. As the New York Central efficiently served this whole

territory, the only business the West Shore could get must be

taken away from the Central. To attract this business it offered

at all stations lower rates. To retain and hold its business the

New York Central met those rates at all points so that financially

the West Shore went into the hands of a receiver.

The New York Central was sustained because of its superior

facilities and connections and established roadway and equipment.

But all new and necessary construction was abandoned, maintenance

was neglected, and equipment run down under forced reduction of

expenses.

I had very friendly personal relations with the managers and

officers of the West Shore, and immediately presented to them

a plan for the absorption of their line, instead of continuing

the struggle until absolute exhaustion. Mr. Vanderbilt approved

of the plan, as did the financial interests represented by

Mr. Pierpont Morgan.

By the reorganization and consolidation of the two companies the

New York Central began gradually to establish its efficiency and

to work on necessary improvements. As evidence of the growth

of the railway business of the country, the New York Central

proper has added since the reorganization an enormous amount of

increased trackage, and has practically rebuilt, as a necessary

second line, the West Shore and used fully its very large terminal

facilities on the Jersey side of the Hudson.

During his active life Mr. Vanderbilt was very often importuned

to buy a New York daily newspaper. He was personally bitterly

assailed and his property put in peril by attacks in the press.

He always rejected the proposition to buy one. "If," he said,

"I owned a newspaper, I would have all the others united in

attacking me, and they would ruin me, but by being utterly out of

the journalistic field, I find that taking the press as a whole

I am fairly well treated. I do not believe any great interest

dealing with the public can afford to have an organ."

Colonel Scott, of the Pennsylvania, thought otherwise, but the

result of his experiment demonstrated the accuracy of Mr. Vanderbilt's

judgment. Scott selected as editor of the New York World one of

the most brilliant journalistic writers of his time, William H. Hurlburt.

When it became known, however, that the World belonged to

Colonel Scott, Hurlburt's genius could not save it. The circulation

ran down to a minimum, the advertising followed suit, and the

paper was losing enormously every month. Mr. Joseph Pulitzer,

with the rare insight and foresight which distinguished him, saw

what could be made of the World, with its privileges in the

Associated Press, and so he paid Scott the amount he had originally

invested, and took over and made a phenomenal success of this

bankrupt and apparently hopeless enterprise.

I tried during my presidency to make the New York Central popular

with the public without impairing its efficiency. The proof of the

success of this was that without any effort on my part and against

my published wishes the New York delegation in the national

Republican convention in 1888, with unprecedented unanimity

presented me as New York's candidate for president. I retired

from the contest because of the intense hostility to railroad men

in the Western States. Those States could not understand how

this hostility, which they had to railroads and everybody connected

with them, had disappeared in the great State of New York.

During my presidency the labor question was very acute and strikes,

one after another, common. The universal method of meeting the

demands of labor at that time was to have a committee of employees

or a leader present the grievances to the division superintendent

or the superintendent of motive power. These officers were

arbitrary and hostile, as the demands, if acceded to, led to an

increase of expenses which would make them unpopular with the

management. They had a difficult position. The employees often

came to the conclusion that the only way for them to compel the

attention of the higher officers and directors was to strike.

Against the judgment of my associates in the railway management

I decided to open my doors to any individual or committee of the

company. At first I was overwhelmed with petty grievances, but

when the men understood that their cases would be immediately heard

and acted upon, they decided among themselves not to bring to me

any matters unless they regarded them of vital importance. In

this way many of the former irritations, which led ultimately to

serious results, no longer appeared.

I had no trouble with labor unions, and found their representatives

in heart-to-heart talks very generally reasonable. Mr. Arthur,

chief of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers, had many of

the qualities of a statesman. He built up his organization to be

the strongest of its kind among the labor unions. I enjoyed his

confidence and friendship for many years.

There never was but one strike on the New York Central during

my administration, and that one occurred while I was absent in

Europe. Its origin and sequel were somewhat dramatic. I had

nearly broken down by overwork, and the directors advised me to

take an absolute rest and a trip abroad.

I sent word over the line that I wanted everything settled before

leaving, and to go without care. A large committee appeared in

my office a few mornings after. To my surprise there was a

representative from every branch of the service, passenger and

freight conductors, brakemen, shopmen, yardmen, switchmen, and

so forth. These had always come through their local unions.

I rapidly took up and adjusted what each one of the representatives

of his order claimed, and then a man said: "I represent the

locomotive engineers."

My response was: "You have no business here, and I will have

nothing to do with you. I will see no one of the locomotive

engineers, except their accredited chief officer."

"Well," he said, "Mr. President, there is a new condition on

the road, a new order of labor called the Knights of Labor. We

are going to absorb all the other unions and have only one. The

only obstacle in the way is the locomotive engineers, who refuse

to give up their brotherhood and come in with us, but if you will

recognize us only, that will force them to join. Now, the Brotherhood

intends to present a demand very soon, and if you will recognize

our order, the Knights of Labor, and not the Brotherhood of

Locomotive Engineers, we will take care of what they demand and

all others from every department for two years, and you can take

your trip to Europe in perfect peace of mind. If you do not do

this there will be trouble."

I declined to deal with them as representatives of the Brotherhood

of Locomotive Engineers. Then their spokesman said: "As this

is so serious to you, we will give you to-night to think it over

and come back in the morning."

I immediately sent for the superintendent of motive power and

directed him to have posted by telegraph in every roundhouse that

the request of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers, of which

this committee had told me, had been granted. The next morning

the committee returned, and their leader said: "Well, Mr. President,

you have beaten us and we are going home."

Then I appealed to them, saying: "I am a pretty badly broken-up

man. The doctors tell me that if I can have three months without

care I will be as good as ever. You must admit that I have at

all times been absolutely square with you and tried to adjust

fairly the matters you have brought to me. Now, will you take

care of me while I am absent?"

They answered unanimously: "Mr. President, we will, and you can

be confident there will be no trouble on the New York Central while

you are away."

I sailed with my mind free from anxiety, hopeful and happy, leaving

word to send me no cables or letters. After a visit to the

Passion Play at Ober-Ammergau in Upper Bavaria, I went into the

Austrian Tyrol. One night, at a hotel in Innsbruck, Mr. Graves,

a very enterprising reporter of a New York paper, suddenly burst

into my room and said: "I have been chasing you all over Europe

for an interview on the strike on the New York Central." This

was my first information of the strike.

As soon as I had left New York and was on the ocean, the young

and ambitious officers who were at the head of the operations of

the railroad and disapproved of my method of dealing with the

employees, discharged every member of the committee who had

called upon me. Of course, this was immediately followed by a

sympathetic outburst in their behalf, and the sympathizers were

also discharged. Then the whole road was tied up by a universal

strike. After millions had been lost in revenue by the railroad

and in wages by the men, the strike was settled, as usual, by a

compromise, but it gave to the Knights of Labor the control, except

as to the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers. The early settlement

of the strike was largely due to the loyalty and courage of

the Brotherhood.

During my presidency I was much criticised by the public, but

never by the directors of the company, because of my activities

in politics and on the platform. For some time, when the duties

of my office became most onerous, and I was in the habit of working

all day and far into the night, I discovered that this concentrated

attention to my railroad problems and intense and continuous

application to their solution was not only impairing my efficiency

but my health. As I was not a sport, and never had time for games

or horses, I decided to try a theory, which was that one's daily

duties occupied certain cells of the brain while the others

remained idle; that the active cells became tired by overwork

while others lost their power in a measure by idleness; that if,

after a reasonable use of the working cells, you would engage

in some other intellectual occupation, it would furnish as much

relief or recreation as outdoor exercise of any kind. I had a

natural facility for quick and easy preparation for public speaking,

and so adopted that as my recreation. The result proved entirely

successful.

After a hard day's work, on coming home late in the afternoon,

I accustomed myself to take a short nap of about fifteen minutes.

Then I would look over my tablets to see if any engagement was

on to speak in the evening, and, if so, the preparation of the

speech might be easy, or, if difficult, cause me to be late at

dinner. These speeches were made several times a week, and mainly

at banquets on closing of the sessions of conventions of trade

organizations of the country. The reciprocal favors and friendship

of these delegates transferred to the New York Central a large

amount of competitive business.

While I was active in politics I issued strict orders that every

employee should have the same liberty, and that any attempt on

the part of their superior officers to influence or direct the

political action of a subordinate would be cause for dismissal.

This became so well known that the following incident, which was

not uncommon, will show the result.

As I was taking the train the morning after having made a political

speech at Utica, the yardmaster, an Irishman, greeted me very

cordially and then said: "We were all up to hear ye last night,

boss, but this year we are agin ye."

The position which this activity gave me in my own party, and the

fact that, unlike most employers, I protected the employees in

their liberty and political action, gave me immense help in

protecting the company from raids and raiders.

We had a restaurant in the station at Utica which had deteriorated.

The situation was called to my attention in order to have the evils

corrected by the receipt of the following letter from an indignant

passenger: "Dear Mr. President: You are the finest after-dinner

speaker in the world. I would give a great deal to hear the speech

you would make after you had dined in the restaurant in your

station at Utica."

After thirteen years of service as president I was elected chairman of

the board of directors. Mr. Samuel R. Callaway succeeded me as

president, and on his resignation was succeeded by Mr. William H. Newman,

and upon his resignation Mr. W. C. Brown became president.

Following Mr. Brown, Mr. Alfred H. Smith was elected and is still

in office. All these officers were able and did excellent service,

but I want to pay special tribute to Mr. Smith.

Mr. Smith is one of the ablest operating officers of his time.

When the United States Government took over the railroads he was

made regional director of the government for railroads in this

territory. He received the highest commendation from the government

and from the owners of the railroads for the admirable way in

which he had maintained them and their efficiency during the

government control.

On the surrender of the railroads by the government, Mr. Smith was

welcomed back by his directors to the presidency of the New York Central.

The splendid condition of the Central and its allied lines is

largely due to him. During his service as regional director the

difficult task of the presidency of the New York Central was very

ably performed by Mr. William K. Vanderbilt, Jr. Though the

youngest among the executive officers of the railroads of the

country, he was at the same time one of the best.

Among the efficient officers who have served the New York Central

during the time I have been with the company, I remember many on

account of their worth and individuality. H. Walter Webb came

into the railway service from an active business career. With

rare intelligence and industry he rapidly rose in the organization

and was a very capable and efficient officer. There was

Theo. Voorhees, the general superintendent, an unusually young

man for such a responsible position. He was a graduate of

Troy Polytechnical School and a very able operating officer.

Having gone directly from the college to a responsible position,

he naturally did not understand or know how to handle men until

after long experience. He showed that want of experience in a

very drastic way in the strike of 1892 and its settlement. Being

very arbitrary, he had his own standards. For instance, I was

appealed to by many old brakemen and conductors whom he had

discharged. I mention one particularly, who had been on the road

for twenty-five years. Voorhees's answer to me was: "These old

employees are devoted to Toucey, my predecessor, and for efficient

work I must have loyalty to me."

I reversed his order and told him I would begin to discharge, if

necessary, the latest appointments, including himself, keeping

the older men in the service who had proved their loyalty to the

company by the performance of their duties.

Mr. Voorhees became afterwards vice-president and then president

of the Philadelphia and Reading. With experience added to his

splendid equipment and unusual ability he became one of the best

executives in the country.

Mr. John M. Toucey, who had come up from the bottom to be general

superintendent and general manager, was a hard student. His close

contact with his fellow employees gave him wonderful control over

men. He supplemented his practical experience by hard study and

was very well educated. Though self-taught, he had no confidence

in the graduates of the professional schools.

In selecting an assistant, one of them told me that Toucey subjected

him to a rigid examination and then said: "What is your

railroad career?"

"I began at the bottom," answered the assistant, "and have filled

every office on my old road up to division superintendent, which

I have held for so many years."

"That is very fine," said Toucey, "but are you a graduate of the

Troy Technical School?"

"No, sir."

"Of the Stevens Tech.?"

"No, sir."

"Of Massachusetts Tech.?"

"No, sir."

"Then you are engaged," said Toucey.

Mr. Toucey was well up-to-date, and differed from a superintendent

on another road in which I was a director. The suburban business

of that line had increased very rapidly, but there were not enough

trains or cars to accommodate the passengers. The overcrowding

caused many serious discomforts. I had the superintendent called

before the board of directors, and said to him: "Why don't you

immediately put on more trains and cars?"

"Why, Mr. Depew," he answered, "what would be the use? They are

settling so fast along the line that the people would fill them up

and overcrowd them just as before."

I was going over the line on an important tour at one time with

G. H. Burroughs, superintendent of the Western Division. We were

on his pony engine, with seats at the front, alongside the boiler,

so that we could look directly on the track. Burroughs sat on

one side and I on the other. He kept on commenting aloud by way

of dictating to his stenographer, who sat behind him, and praise

and criticism followed rapidly. I heard him utter in his monotonous

way: "Switch misplaced, we will all be in hell in a minute," and

then a second afterwards continue: "We jumped the switch and

are on the track again. Discharge that switchman."

Major Zenas Priest was for fifty years a division superintendent.

It was a delightful experience to go with him over his division.

He knew everybody along the line, was general confidant in their

family troubles and arbiter in neighborhood disputes. He knew

personally every employee and his characteristics and domestic

situation. The wives were generally helping him to keep their

husbands from making trouble. To show his control and efficiency,

he was always predicting labor troubles and demonstrating that

the reason they did not occur was because of the way in which

he handled the situation.

Mr. C. M. Bissell was a very efficient superintendent, and for

a long time in charge of the Harlem Railroad. He told me this

incident. We decided to put in effect as a check upon the

conductors a system by which a conductor, when a fare was paid

on the train, must tear from a book a receipt which he gave to

the passenger, and mark the amount on the stub from which the

receipt was torn. Soon after a committee of conductors called

upon Mr. Bissell and asked for an increase of pay. "Why," Bissell

asked, "boys, why do you ask for that now?"

After a rather embarrassing pause the oldest conductor said:

"Mr. Bissell, you have been a conductor yourself."

This half century and six years during which I have been in the

service of the New York Central Railroad has been a time of

unusual pleasure and remarkably free from friction or trouble.

In this intimate association with the railroad managers of the

United States I have found the choicest friendships and the most

enduring. The railroad manager is rarely a large stockholder,

but he is a most devoted and efficient officer of his company.

He gives to its service, for the public, the employees, the

investors, and the company, all that there is in him. In too many

instances, because these officers do not get relief from their labor

by variation of their work, they die exhausted before their time.

The story graphically told by one of the oldest and ablest of

railroad men, Mr. Marvin Hughitt, for a long time president and

now chairman of the Chicago and Northwestern Railway, illustrates

what the railroad does for the country. Twenty-five years ago the

Northwestern extended its lines through Northern Iowa. Mr. Hughitt

drove over the proposed extension on a buckboard. The country

was sparsely settled because the farmers could not get their

products to market, and the land was selling at six dollars per acre.

In a quarter of a century prosperous villages and cities had grown

up along the line, and farms were selling at over three hundred

dollars per acre. While this enormous profit from six dollars

per acre to over three hundred has come to the settlers who held

on to their farms because of the possibilities produced by the

railroad, the people whose capital built the road must remain

satisfied with a moderate return by way of dividend and interest,

and without any enhancement of their capital, but those investors

should be protected by the State and the people to whom their

capital expenditures have been such an enormous benefit.

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