JEAN-PAUL (Paris)

#Webmaster of cotres furtifs (Furtive Cutter Ships), a website that tells

stories in 3D

The cotres furtifs was launched on October 20, 1998, after they had become a

group. Following a break to show solidarity with the Altern web server (which

fell foul of the inadequate French laws about the Internet), they are now

offering two parts and preparing a third. The aim is to tell stories in 3D and

explore how a 'link' opens the way for 'hyperwriting,' which is a set of

characters, sounds and animations. It gives priority to words.

Jean-Paul is a writer and a musician. In June 1998, he wrote: "The Internet

allows me to do without intermediaries, such as record companies, publishers and

distributors. Most of all, it allows me to crystallize what I have in my head

(and elsewhere): the print medium (desktop-publishing, in fact) only allows me

to partly do that. Then the intermediaries will take over and I'll have to look

somewhere else, a place where the grass is greener..."

*Interview of August 5, 1999 (original interview in French)

= How do you see the future of cyber-literature?

The future of cyber-literature, techno-literature or whatever you want to call

it, is set by the technology itself. It's now impossible for an author to handle

all by himself the words and their movement and sound. A decade ago, you could

know well each of Director, Photoshop or Cubase (to cite just the better-known

software), using the first version of each. That's not possible any more. Now we

have to know how to delegate, find more solid financial partners than Gallimard,

and look in the direction of Hachette-Matra, Warner, the Pentagon and Hollywood.

At best, the status of the, what... hack? multimedia director? will be the one

of video director, film director, the manager of the product. He or she's the

one who receives the golden palms at Cannes, but who would never have been able

to earn them just on their own. As twin sister (not a clone) of the

cinematograph, cyber-literature (video + the link) will be an industry, with a

few isolated craftsmen on the outer edge (and therefore with below-zero

copyright).

= What exactly is a cutter?

It is called that because it seems to cut through the water. It's sturdy little

naval vessel with a single mast. Cutters were an important part of naval fleets

because they were quick and easy to operate. They were the favourite boats of

pirates, smugglers and... maritime postal workers.

"Now that the earth is flat and the seas desalinated, it's time for our cutters

to thread their way through the 6 billion (soon six and a half billion) stars

that we are. And for them all to link up with each other." (The running cutter)

Why do you use just your first name, instead of your full name?

My reasoning is that, on the Web, there's everything to be done. Except for CERN

(European Center for Particule Research) and the Pentagon (which are going to

make another web, designed just for their own use), nobody knows what exactly it

offers us. So we can work freely while believing that probably everything is

open. And use this unlimited, internal space as widely and quickly as possible

before the rapacious star-spangled banners of 0 and 1 catch up with and overtake

us.

But if it's just a matter of repeating the same things as before, what's the

point?

This business of using a surname (directly linked to the copyright problem)

takes us back to basics, to the central untouchable principle of our planet:

private property. Within the space of a few centuries, we have been reduced to a

name, just one name, all the "cleaner" because it has been stripped of all

humanity and reduced to a social security barcode. It's not something natural,

but a choice of the society, desired by managers. How could we run a modern

society and give back to Caesar his due if each of us could change our

administrative identity several times in our lives, from "Daredevil on Rollers"

to "Motorcycle on the Curves" and then "Hippy Smoking on the Verandah" (you

know, like me, that a simple software programme could easily take care of all

this)? "Human nature is basically evil and all criminals take advantage of that.

But we're here to protect you and your identity." (The Pentagon) And the first

thing a down-and-out person does to assert themselves, someone whose papers are

never in order, is to scribble their name on a billboard advertising some big

commercial product.

On our site, we discreetly try something else.

We exist, we have an address. We know it's hard to speak to each other in

anonymity or in a group, so we keep a few landmarks -- the time factor, the

human factor, and for the cutters, the cutter mailman, who happens to be

Jean-Paul. A first name that is not really one's own name because the thing

about a name is that it isn't ours, it's a name passed down by a dynasty, from a

string of legally-registered names of our male ancestors.

But we're not rejecting our ancestors. They created our world, what we call

reality. But we build up the Web to create another dream. And we launch our

cutters in all directions, to make contacts.

= What do you think of the debate about copyright on the Web?

We don't feel involved.

a) If it means "respect", it's a matter of morality and style, so there's

nothing to discuss. On the Web, as elsewhere, we quote our sources. Complete

respect. For most of us.

b) If it means "copyright", we're on legal ground, which is by nature shaky.

Copyright is a recent notion the French attribute to Beaumarchais, a business

man with a dark side, an arms dealer and great writer. The advent of

digitization, and therefore cloning (which raises a different problem to the one

of copying, which was solved long ago), forces us to reconsider this notion.

c) If it means "author's rights" (in the plural), we're in the economic field,

where we know what the attitude is: competition, withholding information, being

top of the class and stopping others from getting there.

Sony publishes CD (audio and ROM) because it earns them good money. And it makes

CD-engravers (which enable you to clone its own CDs, as well as those of its

rivals) because it earns them more good money. Philips was doing the same thing

until it sold its Polygram division (which, according to the rules of economics,

it could buy back if it wanted).

"It's not enough to be big to be successful but, in a totally globalized

financial world, it helps." (Hervé Babonneau, Ouest-France (French daily

newspaper), August 6, 1999). "A funny aim", says the sturdy cutter. Jurassic

Games and tyrannosaurus more or less rex.

Although it's marginally economic (we have to pay for a domain name and a

subscription to the server), our cutter-space isn't limited to that and we don't

have a competitive attitude. Our site can be freely downloaded, and we download

sites we think are creative.

It's normal to clone someone else's work and give it away as a gift. It's a way

to share. What's disgusting is to sell a clone.

The job of legal experts is to prove the authorities right: yesterday it was the

guillotine for backstreet abortionists, today the social security reimburses the

cost of abortions (in France, though not in Poland).

Copyright or author's rights, a European vision or a US one, which will prevail?

The sacred principle of private property. The property of those who have the

means to keep it. Through the World Trade Organization (WTO), for example, which

is in charge of settling "rights" issues anywhere in the world (even the virtual

world) and, they hope, permanently.

If your house is the path of a future highway, you know the real price of

something untouchable.

So the rights of authors, creators, inventors...

Orson Welles was gobbled up by the big studios, but Kubrick carefully stayed

independent of them. The law made to measure by Uncle Picsou matters little.

Over time, small mammals have eaten tyrannosaurs. And we've cut off the heads of

kings, who supposedly drew their power from the gods. And we did that more

quickly.

"To give a purer meaning to the words of the tribe", Stéphane Mallarmé wrote.

And when the credit cards have won (apparently in three years time), we must

invent other ways to take us to another Cape of Good Hope, where we can watch

"new stars rise from the distant horizon", like J.M. de Heredia.

= How do you see the growth of a multilingual Web?

Your book (which is really good and useful -- I get something out of it every

time I read it, and it has good addresses too) deals with this whole subject:

"Sooner or later the presence of languages on the Web will reflect their

strength around the world." Depending on the energy of those who speak them.

= What is your best experience with the Internet?

How light-headed we felt when we received our first message... coming from

Canada. 10.000 (?) years after the Inuits, our cutters had just discovered

America!

= And your worst experience?

All the sleep I'm missing...

*Interview of June 25, 2000 (original interview in French)

= How did using the hyperlink change your writing?

Surfing the Web is like radiating in all directions (I'm interested in something

and I click on all the links on a home page) or like jumping around (from one

click to another, as the links appear). You can do this in the written media, of

course. But the difference is striking. So the Internet didn't change my life,

but it did change how I write. You don't write the same way for a website as you

do for a script or a play.

But it wasn't exactly the Internet that changed my writing, it was the first

model of the Mac. I discovered it when I was teaching myself Hypercard. I still

remember how astonished I was during my month of learning about buttons and

links and about surfing by association, objects and images. Being able, by just

clicking on part of the screen, to open piles of cards, with each card offering

new buttons and each button opening onto a new series of them. In short,

learning everything about the Web that today seems really routine was a

revelation for me. I hear Steve Jobs and his team had the same kind of shock

when they discovered the forerunner of the Mac in the laboratories of Rank

Xerox.

Since then I've been writing directly on the screen. I use a paper print-out

only occasionally, to help me fix up an article, or to give somebody who doesn't

like screens a rough idea, something immediate. It's only an approximation,

because print forces us into a linear relationship: the words scroll out page by

page most of the time. But when you have links, you've got a different

relationship to time and space in your imagination. And for me, it's a great

opportunity to use this reading/writing interplay, whereas leafing through a

book gives only a suggestion of it -- a vague one because a book isn't meant for

that.

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