Hence the spirit of prophecy, spoken of by Joel, as poured out in the

apostolic day, was, in their estimation uncalled for. They supposed

the canon of scripture was sufficiently full, when the prophet Malachi

finished his testimony, and closed up the age of miracles! Men may

sincerely believe the Bible, as many of the sects do believe it,

without having it revealed from heaven that the Bible is true, and it

will never save them. They may believe the Bible even without knowing

God; for the simple reason, that no man can know God without God

reveals himself to him. This was the condition of the Judaic church.

Many of them sincerely believed the Mosaic writings, but detested and

rejected the principle of immediate revelation, by which alone they

could know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he had sent. If

they had believed heartily in the doctrine of immediate revelation to

all believers, in all ages, they would have known Jesus Christ to be

the Messiah, as well as Moses, or Abraham, who saw his day, and was

glad. On the same principle, dear sir. Christian denominations, in this

day, believe the apostolic scriptures sincerely, and do many things

accordingly; but rejecting the principle of immediate revelation to

them-ward, they neither know Jesus Christ nor his prophet Joseph, nor

the power of God, as it is revealed from faith to faith in our day.

We, sir, contend for the faith of miracles in our own day; but you and

your associates contend against it. The disciples of Jesus contended

for it, in their day; but the professed followers of Moses and Abraham

contended against it. Now, sir, to which of these sides do you belong?

Can you find that any people, who ever contended against the faith of

immediate revelation and miracles, such as was maintained by Samuel,

Abraham, Barak, Daniel, and Noah, ever prospered. Is there a single

instance in scripture, from Genesis to Revelations, where God manifests

any fellowship for any faith short of a faith of miracles and immediate

revelation? If an inferior kind of faith has been got up since the New

Testament age, is it not well to inquire from whence it has sprung, and

what is the scriptural basis of its support? If such an inferior faith

is not _revealed_ from heaven, it must certainly be from beneath, and,

consequently earthly, and sensual, and devilish. If it springs from

the precepts of men, and not from the direct and positive revelation

of God, it ought surely to be abandoned and forsaken at once. When

men believe the Old and New Testament scriptures from tradition, and

the lips of a ministry that is not sent out and called by immediate

revelation from heaven, their faith is dead; and all such as float in

this broad stream of traditionary faith, are not and cannot be built up

as lively stones to offer up spiritual sacrifices to God.

Hence, sir, the concession of Mr. C. G. Finney, and Nettleton, and of

your own Mr. Knapp, all great Revivalists, and talented and devout

men, that the "sectarian churches need to be converted over again."

And I am constrained to add, without any inviduous feelings, that such

teachers themselves need to be converted from a traditionary faith into

the same faith with the ancient worthies spoken of in the eleventh

chapter to the Hebrews. They themselves cannot _know_ God without that

same ancient faith that secured to its possessors revelation from God,

and the power of working miracles, &c. God has never called men to

testify to the truth of the Old and New Testament, unless the truth

has been revealed to them _personally_ from the heavens. When it is

thus revealed, they will obey like the ancient saints, and the power of

godliness will follow their faith, "even healing the sick, casting out

devils, and speaking with new tongues."

You, sir, will surely admit, that the faith of the ancients was

far superior to modern traditionary faith, and was attended with

a power which this latter faith cannot, in its very nature, ever

attain to. By the ancient faith, or faith of immediate revelation,

men wrought righteousness, subdued kingdoms, stopped the mouths of

lions, and quenched the violence of fire--stayed the sun in the

firmament--sealed up the heavens as brass for the space of three years

and a half, or opened the windows thereof for the rain to descend in

showers or torrents, even to a universal deluge. Surely it will be

no disparagement to such exalted names as yours, and that of my old

acquaintance President Barnas Sears, and my former instructor President

E. Knott, to turn, like Paul, to the banner and standard of such a

faith. By such a faith they are prepared to work the works of God; and

either in time or eternity, to work even far greater works than Jesus

ever wrought on the earth, as his own word declares; for, sir, this

kind of faith shall abide beyond the veil; for God himself made the

world by faith, and the spirits of the just work by faith, and obtain

revelation from God, and minister the same to militant believers on

earth, from the faith of the sanctified in light, to the faith of the

militant here below. "The righteousness of God is revealed from faith

to faith." Surely we may count all things but loss for the excellency

of the _knowledge_ of Christ Jesus our Lord; for he that gets the

knowledge of Christ by revelation to himself, and keeps it, shall never

fall.

Do you not preach, sir, the ancient faith spoken of in the eleventh

chapter of Hebrews, for modern believers to imitate? Or is the

miraculous faith of the ancients to be pourtrayed to men in this day,

only as a beautiful picture to be admired by spectators, and not copied

and imitated as a doctrine of modern practice? If there is such a thing

as _common_ faith, in distinction from the supernatural and miraculous

faith, named in the eleventh of Hebrews, what part of the scriptures

teach it? Please to name the chapter and verse; and when you have

pointed out to me the specific scriptures that teach a faith inferior

to that of prophecying or working miracles, &c., please to tell me

wherein lies the power of such a faith? If it cannot reveal any thing

to the children of men, how can it increase the sum of knowledge with

any reasonable prospect of filling the earth with knowledge, as the

waters cover the bed of the great deep? If it cannot forecast events

beyond the mere common prescience of human minds, how can the wise man

foresee the evil in time to hide himself? Is it not passing strange,

sir, that from Adam to Noah, and from Noah to Abraham, and from

Abraham to David, and from David to Malachi, and from John the Baptist

to John the Revelator, the miraculous faith should be tenaciously

and rigorously contended for; while since that day, men, professing

godliness, not only contend for an inferior faith, but contend against

the antiquated faith that was sustained for more than four thousand

years, giving to God a great and glorious name for all his wonderful

works and mighty deeds.

Why do the modern clergy commend the faith that put to flight the

armies of the aliens--quenched the violence of fire--and staggered

not at promises that required supernatural agency to fulfil, if we

are not to imitate and practice such faith? Why so much time and

labour exhausted in order to define and extol a faith that belonged

exclusively to past ages; and if the scriptures speak of no other

faith that is pleasing to God, would it not be better that mankind

be informed more explicitly what is the nature and effect of that

common and inferior faith of which the Bible illustrations are so

inapplicable? Seeing that the Bible illustrations of faith pertain to

examples of a supernatural order, will you please to give us those that

are of a natural and common order, suited to our age, that is, and,

of a right, ought to be free from supernatural and miraculous deeds,

signs, wonders, and prophecyings? In so doing, and publishing the same

through your widely-circulated paper, you may rest assured that it

shall have prompt insertion in the STAR, and greatly oblige.

Your humble and obedient servant,

ORSON SPENCER.

LETTER IV.

ON WATER BAPTISM.

_Liverpool, June_ 14, 1847.

Reverend and Dear Sir,--You, sir, need no argument to convince you that

WATER BAPTISM is the first ordinance, after faith and repentance, that

initiates the believer into the kingdom of God.

The kingdom of God is to be established upon the earth, according to

the pattern of the heavenly order, which is the first principle taught

in the memorable prayer of our Lord Jesus Christ, which prayer will be

pertinent to all believers on earth, until the object of the prayer is

fully achieved and the kingdoms of this world have universally become

the kingdom of God. And if we were to search the kingdom of God from

one end to the other, and from side to side, we should not find a

single adult believer in the whole heaven, who had not been _baptized_

with water.

Do you ask why I make such a bold declaration, and how I know this

seemingly exclusive and uncharitable truth? I know it, sir, by the

voice of God from the heavens, and this voice is to you as well as me,

if you will receive it. Do not you believe the scripture that saith,

"except a man be born of the WATER and of the spirit, he cannot enter

into the kingdom of God?" I know that you believe this scripture, and

am persuaded that your ingenuous mind will not seek to pervert it from

its plain and obvious import.

Whatever an over-jealous mind may fear concerning the state of the

penitent thief on the cross, and of devout and upright men that have

lived and died in every age of the world, still let God's word be

accounted true, and every man that gainsays it be esteemed a liar!

No man ever puts on the uniform of Christ's followers, such as is

worn by subjects of the kingdom of Christ, until he is "baptized into

Christ" for "_remission of sins_." Hereby he "puts on Christ," When

an ambassador of Christ finds a man or woman that heartily repents

of his or her rebellion against the laws of Christ, he baptizes him

unto repentance for "remission of sins." By the ordinance of baptism,

the rebellious subject virtually says, I hereby signify to all men my

repentance; and the lawful administrator as virtually says, on the part

of Jesus Christ, whose Ambassador I am, (being called by revelation,

and being authorized to act in his name and for him), I pronounce this

person's sins _remitted_, according to his genuine repentance and faith

in Christ.

Now, sir, what objection can there be for a man sent from God to remit

sins by baptism, in the name and by the authority of the King of

heaven? If Christ has power on earth to forgive and remit sins, may He

not send forgiveness and remission by another, even by whom he will?

And will not such a remission and forgiveness of sins be as valid as

though He administered the ordinance of baptism himself? Undoubtedly

it will be indisputably valid. And what ordinance is so beautifully

significant as that which expresses both the penitence of the subject

and the cordial acceptance of the Ruler and Lord?

Has not Jesus Christ a right to remit sins by baptism unto repentance?

Who shall say that the penitent believer's sins are not remitted by

baptism? Who shall lay any sins to his charge? Is it not God that

justifies? Has not Christ died? Has he not a right to say who are fit

subjects for baptism? Has he not a right to say by what ordinance sins

shall be remitted? He has never said that repentance and faith shall

secure remission of sins to any one without baptism. It is not in the

power of any man or angel to find a license in the Bible to receive a

person into the kingdom of God without baptism. Jesus Christ has never

given any license, but, on the other hand. He has explicitly said, in

the most unequivocal language possible, that NO MAN can "enter the

kingdom" without water baptism, or being "born of the water."

Do you ask, if I call baptism a saving ordinance? I reply, that

repentance and faith will not save any body in the kingdom of God

without baptism. Some men, whose crimes are unpardonable in this

world, may, and doubtless do, repent and believe; but they cannot be

baptized for the remission of sins, nor forgiven "until the times of

refreshing come from the presence of the Lord in the restitution of all

things." Righteous Noah was "_saved_ by water;" and the apostle Peter,

rehearsing the fact, says that baptism _saved_ believers in his day in

_like_ manner.

You, sir, must be perfectly aware that Jesus Christ has said, by the

mouth of his servant John, that BAPTISM constitutes no less importance

of character than one of the THREE GREAT WITNESESS of adoption and

citizenship into the kingdom of God on the earth--the SPIRIT, the

WATER, and the BLOOD. These three bear witness on the earth and agree

in one. One of these THREE performs the double office of bearing

witness on the earth, and also of bearing record in heaven. Three

witnesses appear to be requisite in order to prove our title good

to a place in the kingdom of God; and the testimony of these THREE,

and nothing less, is recorded in heaven by the Father, Son, and Holy

Ghost. Who will dare to say that the THREE in heaven will accept of the

testimony of the two witnesses on earth, when God has explicitly said

that he requires the testimony of THREE, and nothing less?

Do we forget that all men are to be judged out of the books? And

if the books show the absence of one WITNESS, and the consequent

_disagreement_ of the three before named, can that person that is thus

deficient of testimony, stand acquitted from the books out of which he

is judged? By no means! The THREE witnesses will agree in one; and when

they agree, the Spirit will bear the testimony of the Water and the

Blood to the recording angel, and these united with his own seal, will

be placed on record until the books are brought forward for judging the

nations of the earth.

Furthermore, no man can ever be born of the Spirit until he has first

been born of the water. The Holy Ghost will never condescend to become

the covenant-guide and instructor, and holy comforter of any one,

until he has been baptized or born of water. Have ye received the Holy

Ghost _since_ ye were baptized? Peter told penitent believers that

they might receive the Holy Ghost _after_ they were baptized; so said

John the Baptist to those he baptized. If, in a single instance, the

Holy Ghost was given before baptism, still it was no part of Christ's

instructions to his apostles ever to confer the Holy Ghost until

_after_ baptism--and then it was to be done by the laying on of hands.

Men may receive a measure of the Spirit of God before baptism (even

as a child has in embryo the germ of life before parturition); but no

one has a large measure of the Spirit, nor has any covenant claim to

the Spirit, or, in other words, can be born of the Spirit, until he

has been baptized in water. "Jesus came by water," and was baptized

in water for the remission of the original sin of the world. He knew

that baptism for remission of sin was necessary as an example, and also

that by his "_obedience_ many might be made _righteous_" even as by the

"_offence_ of one, many were made _sinners_." Jesus needed not only the

testimony of water-baptism, but also, _after_ baptism, the testimony

of the other witness--the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost was a personage

inferior in office to himself, but still the Holy Ghost was conferred

upon him, while coming out of the water, in "the form of a dove."

The third witness to adoption is the "Cup of Blessing, or Sacramental

Cup of Wine," which, if men "drink not, they have no life in them."

Now, sir, let us abide strictly by the "law and the testimony," even

as Jesus our pattern has done, and consider nothing unessential which

our lawgiver has both enjoined and exemplified for obedience and

salvation. Who is prepared to say that the faithful will not take the

cup of blessing, even in the heavens, and drink wine in our heavenly

Father's kingdom? Who can say that the river of life that proceeds

from the throne of God in the celestial city, shall not be employed to

perpetuate the remembrance of baptismal water of adoption, and even

perpetuate sinless purity, like the leaves of healing that grow on the

banks of the crystal stream?

Is it a thing incredible with you, sir, that God should remit sins

through baptism? It is with difficulty that I can persuade myself that

you are so distrustful of the power or wisdom of God! You read and

expound the scriptures from Sabbath to Sabbath. You certainly believe

that Naaman's leprosy was washed away by water-baptism in Jordan; you

also must believe that men were healed of mortal diseases, by simply

looking at a brazen serpent lifted up in the wilderness. Do you not

believe that the walls of Jericho fell down under the simple blast of

the rams' horns? and that the simple touch of the hem of a garment,

or of handkerchiefs, was attended with healing virtue to them that

believed?

Why were the learned and devout Judaic churches surprised that Peter

should proclaim to thousands--"be baptized for the _remission_ of your

sins?" and, on another occasion, even _command_ Cornelius, as pious and

devout a believer as yourself, to be baptized in order that he might

be "_saved_"--telling the churches in a general circular epistle, that

baptism would _save_ them as much as water _saved_ Noah? Why should

those same churches withdraw fellowship from Paul because he believed

Annanias, saying to him, "arise and be baptized and wash away thy

sins," even as your church have disfellowshipped me, because I believe

as Paul did, and obey the same gospel which he preached, with all its

miraculous gifts, blessings, and priesthood? The secret and solution of

the whole surprise of the Judaic and modern churches are, that _both_

overlook the efficacious _simplicity_ of Christ's ordinances, and know

not the "power of God," by which a mere look, touch, baptismal rite, or

the imposition of a hand, may secure blessings rich as heaven--power as

great as Gabriel's--knowledge as high as the throne of God--and life

and felicity as endless as eternity!

Greatly blessed, sir, is that man commissioned immediately from the

heavens to administer baptism unto repentance for _remission_ of sins;

and blessed are they who receive remission of sins from the hands of

those who act in "Christ's stead." Hence the grateful acknowledgements

of David, repeated by Paul--"Blessed are they whose iniquities are

forgiven, whose sins are covered." Men who obey the gospel are as well

satisfied that their sins are forgiven through baptism, as you, sir,

would be satisfied of the validity and legality of a deed, signed and

sealed by his excellency the chief magistrate of your State. They

rejoice in the same, without ambiguity or fear of being deceived. The

spirit of bondage and fear (which is in sectarian churches) does no

longer wither up their hope, and blight the joy of their acceptance

with God.

The heavens, that before seem clouded with dismal forebodings and

doubtful omens, that kept the excellent Dr. Payson even, on a

tumultuous sea of mental storms and calms, is now clear and tranquil

all the day and all the year. They rejoice in the Lord ever more;

and they know of a truth, that by keeping the commandments of

God, their peace is like the gentle and ever-onward current of a

river. Driven from "city to city, and from one nation to another

people;" and "every where spoken against," belied, robbed, and

arraigned before "magistrates" for thefts, treason, blasphemy, &c.,

they are distressed indeed, but not with mental doubts and fears.

No; far from it; they are borne down with expulsion from place to

place--burning their houses--despoiling their goods under shadow of

legal prosecution--whippings--priestly and editorial calumnies! These

things, sir, distress their bodies, and cause cold, and nakedness, and

hunger, and an uncertain dwelling place; but do not by any means impair

their peace in believing, or their joy in the Holy Ghost. None of these

things move them.

Yours,

ORSON SPENCER.

LETTER V.

THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST.

_Liverpool, June_ 29, 1842.

Reverend and Dear Sir,--The subject of my fifth letter is one of

surpassing importance. It is, sir, the "GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST," by the

laying on of hands.

The magnitude of the subject warrants me to say, in few words, what

belongs to it, without those copious scripture references which you

can look after at your leisure. If you will honestly listen to my

description of the office-work of the Holy Ghost, you will clearly

perceive, that, since the time Jesus left the earth, it is more

extensive and important than even the work of the other personages of

the Godhead.

The Holy Ghost performs the double office of a WITNESS on earth and a

RECORDER in heaven. Being an unembodied personage, he can move among

men without the danger of being mobbed and killed, as was not the case

with Jesus Christ. He takes up the work of man's redemption, just where

Jesus Christ left it, and has a distinct part to act until the second

coming of Christ, that in due time He also may obtain glory with the

Father, even as Jesus does--yea, a fulness of the Godhead by himself.

According to promise he came on the day of Pentecost, either with a

retinue of sanctified spirits, or in the simple unity and grandeur of

his own potent agency, and filled the house. He then disbursed among

the disciples a variety of tongues--gifts for men which the Conqueror

had promised. With the keys of revelation, peculiar to his office, he

unlocked their understanding (with perfect impunity to himself) and

bore witness that Jesus was Christ. His testimony not only confirmed

the disciples, who had been previously baptized, beyond the shadow of

all further doubt, but convinced some thousands of the sin of unbelief.

He immediately informed Peter, to whom Christ had promised to send the

keys of the presidency over the church by the Holy Ghost (for he could

do nothing till the Holy Ghost should bring them), that He, the Holy

Ghost, would ever be an attendant upon penitent believers that should

be "baptized for remission of sins," whenever his minister should lay

on hands. He authorized him to make a solemn standing PROMISE to this

effect, viz.: that the Holy Ghost's presence as a WITNESS to truth,

should invariably follow the imposition of hands. But he also gave

him to understand, that none should lay on hands or preach but such

as should be called by revelation, even as was Aaron. He assured him

that he would henceforth abide with the church, and enable obedient

believers to work certain miraculous signs, such as healing the sick,

casting out devils, nullifying the properties of poison wickedly

administered, and speaking with new tongues--and these and other

confirmations of the truth should invariably attend the true church

to the end of the world, or as long as true believers continued on

the earth; and if these miraculous signs did not follow believers,

they might know that they were rejected of God, as reprobate silver is

rejected of men.

The Holy Ghost further informed him, that He was the LIVING WITNESS

on earth, in connexion with the WATER and the BLOOD, and sealed up

the testimony of all the witnesses concerning all believers on earth,

and then took them to heaven and recorded them in the BOOKS, by the

mutual agreement of the Father and the Son, against a time of awards

and punishments. He also informed him that he always obtained a perfect

knowledge of Jesus Christ's mind touching all church transactions

on earth, and faithfully communicated the same to chosen men and

believers, according to their capacity to receive and use such

knowledge; and should continue to act in this Office of enlightening

and comforting the church, "until they all come to the unity of the

faith and the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ," which

he possessed before he left the earth. And he would also communicate

Christ's mind concerning the destinies of nations, and the judgments,

famines, and pestilences, &c., with which Jesus Christ would visit the

earth.

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