I believe there is a genuine popular sovereignty. I think a definition of

"genuine popular sovereignty," in the abstract, would be about this: That

each man shall do precisely as he pleases with himself, and with all

those things which exclusively concern him. Applied to government, this

principle would be, that a general government shall do all those things

which pertain to it, and all the local governments shall do precisely as

they please in respect to those matters which exclusively concern them. I

understand that this government of the United States, under which we live,

is based upon this principle; and I am misunderstood if it is supposed

that I have any war to make upon that principle.

Now, what is judge Douglas's popular sovereignty? It is, as a principle,

no other than that if one man chooses to make a slave of another man

neither that other man nor anybody else has a right to object. Applied in

government, as he seeks to apply it, it is this: If, in a new Territory

into which a few people are beginning to enter for the purpose of making

their homes, they choose to either exclude slavery from their limits or to

establish it there, however one or the other may affect the persons to be

enslaved, or the infinitely greater number of persons who are afterwards

to inhabit that Territory, or the other members of the families of

communities, of which they are but an incipient member, or the general

head of the family of States as parent of all, however their action may

affect one or the other of these, there is no power or right to interfere.

That is Douglas's popular sovereignty applied.

He has a good deal of trouble with popular sovereignty. His explanations

explanatory of explanations explained are interminable. The most lengthy,

and, as I suppose, the most maturely considered of this long series of

explanations is his great essay in Harper's Magazine. I will not attempt

to enter on any very thorough investigation of his argument as there made

and presented. I will nevertheless occupy a good portion of your time here

in drawing your attention to certain points in it. Such of you as may

have read this document will have perceived that the judge early in the

document quotes from two persons as belonging to the Republican party,

without naming them, but who can readily be recognized as being Governor

Seward of New York and myself. It is true that exactly fifteen months ago

this day, I believe, I for the first time expressed a sentiment upon this

subject, and in such a manner that it should get into print, that the

public might see it beyond the circle of my hearers; and my expression of

it at that time is the quotation that Judge Douglas makes. He has not made

the quotation with accuracy, but justice to him requires me to say that it

is sufficiently accurate not to change the sense.

The sense of that quotation condensed is this: that this slavery element

is a durable element of discord among us, and that we shall probably not

have perfect peace in this country with it until it either masters the

free principle in our government, or is so far mastered by the free

principle as for the public mind to rest in the belief that it is going to

its end. This sentiment, which I now express in this way, was, at no great

distance of time, perhaps in different language, and in connection with

some collateral ideas, expressed by Governor Seward. Judge Douglas has

been so much annoyed by the expression of that sentiment that he has

constantly, I believe, in almost all his speeches since it was uttered,

been referring to it. I find he alluded to it in his speech here, as well

as in the copyright essay. I do not now enter upon this for the purpose of

making an elaborate argument to show that we were right in the expression

of that sentiment. In other words, I shall not stop to say all that might

properly be said upon this point, but I only ask your attention to it for

the purpose of making one or two points upon it.

If you will read the copyright essay, you will discover that judge

Douglas himself says a controversy between the American Colonies and the

Government of Great Britain began on the slavery question in 1699, and

continued from that time until the Revolution; and, while he did not say

so, we all know that it has continued with more or less violence ever

since the Revolution.

Then we need not appeal to history, to the declarations of the framers of

the government, but we know from judge Douglas himself that slavery began

to be an element of discord among the white people of this country as far

back as 1699, or one hundred and sixty years ago, or five generations of

men,--counting thirty years to a generation. Now, it would seem to me that

it might have occurred to Judge Douglas, or anybody who had turned his

attention to these facts, that there was something in the nature of that

thing, slavery, somewhat durable for mischief and discord.

There is another point I desire to make in regard to this matter, before

I leave it. From the adoption of the Constitution down to 1820 is the

precise period of our history when we had comparative peace upon this

question,--the precise period of time when we came nearer to having peace

about it than any other time of that entire one hundred and sixty years

in which he says it began, or of the eighty years of our own Constitution.

Then it would be worth our while to stop and examine into the probable

reason of our coming nearer to having peace then than at any other time.

This was the precise period of time in which our fathers adopted, and

during which they followed, a policy restricting the spread of slavery,

and the whole Union was acquiescing in it. The whole country looked

forward to the ultimate extinction of the institution. It was when a

policy had been adopted, and was prevailing, which led all just and

right-minded men to suppose that slavery was gradually coming to an end,

and that they might be quiet about it, watching it as it expired. I think

Judge Douglas might have perceived that too; and whether he did or not, it

is worth the attention of fair-minded men, here and elsewhere, to consider

whether that is not the truth of the case. If he had looked at these two

facts,--that this matter has been an element of discord for one hundred

and sixty years among this people, and that the only comparative peace we

have had about it was when that policy prevailed in this government which

he now wars upon, he might then, perhaps, have been brought to a more just

appreciation of what I said fifteen months ago,--that "a house divided

against itself cannot stand. I believe that this government cannot endure

permanently, half slave and half free. I do not expect the house to fall,

I do not expect the Union to dissolve; but I do expect it will cease to

be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other. Either the

opponents of slavery will arrest the further spread of it, and place it

where the public mind will rest in the belief that it is in the course of

ultimate extinction, or its advocates will push it forward until it shall

become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new, North as well

as South." That was my sentiment at that time. In connection with it, I

said: "We are now far into the fifth year since a policy was inaugurated

with the avowed object and confident promise of putting an end to slavery

agitation. Under the operation of the policy that agitation has not only

not ceased, but has constantly augmented." I now say to you here that we

are advanced still farther into the sixth year since that policy of

Judge Douglas--that popular sovereignty of his--for quieting the slavery

question was made the national policy. Fifteen months more have been

added since I uttered that sentiment; and I call upon you and all other

right-minded men to say whether that fifteen months have belied or

corroborated my words.

While I am here upon this subject, I cannot but express gratitude that

this true view of this element of discord among us--as I believe it is--is

attracting more and more attention. I do not believe that Governor Seward

uttered that sentiment because I had done so before, but because he

reflected upon this subject and saw the truth of it. Nor do I believe

because Governor Seward or I uttered it that Mr. Hickman of Pennsylvania,

in, different language, since that time, has declared his belief in

the utter antagonism which exists between the principles of liberty and

slavery. You see we are multiplying. Now, while I am speaking of Hickman,

let me say, I know but little about him. I have never seen him, and know

scarcely anything about the man; but I will say this much of him: Of all

the anti-Lecompton Democracy that have been brought to my notice, he

alone has the true, genuine ring of the metal. And now, without indorsing

anything else he has said, I will ask this audience to give three cheers

for Hickman. [The audience responded with three rousing cheers for

Hickman.]

Another point in the copyright essay to which I would ask your attention

is rather a feature to be extracted from the whole thing, than from any

express declaration of it at any point. It is a general feature of that

document, and, indeed, of all of Judge Douglas's discussions of this

question, that the Territories of the United States and the States of this

Union are exactly alike; that there is no difference between them at all;

that the Constitution applies to the Territories precisely as it does to

the States; and that the United States Government, under the Constitution,

may not do in a State what it may not do in a Territory, and what it must

do in a State it must do in a Territory. Gentlemen, is that a true view of

the case? It is necessary for this squatter sovereignty, but is it true?

Let us consider. What does it depend upon? It depends altogether upon the

proposition that the States must, without the interference of the

General Government, do all those things that pertain exclusively to

themselves,--that are local in their nature, that have no connection

with the General Government. After Judge Douglas has established this

proposition, which nobody disputes or ever has disputed, he proceeds

to assume, without proving it, that slavery is one of those little,

unimportant, trivial matters which are of just about as much consequence

as the question would be to me whether my neighbor should raise horned

cattle or plant tobacco; that there is no moral question about it, but

that it is altogether a matter of dollars and cents; that when a new

Territory is opened for settlement, the first man who goes into it may

plant there a thing which, like the Canada thistle or some other of those

pests of the soil, cannot be dug out by the millions of men who will come

thereafter; that it is one of those little things that is so trivial in

its nature that it has nor effect upon anybody save the few men who first

plant upon the soil; that it is not a thing which in any way affects the

family of communities composing these States, nor any way endangers the

General Government. Judge Douglas ignores altogether the very well known

fact that we have never had a serious menace to our political existence,

except it sprang from this thing, which he chooses to regard as only upon

a par with onions and potatoes.

Turn it, and contemplate it in another view. He says that, according

to his popular sovereignty, the General Government may give to the

Territories governors, judges, marshals, secretaries, and all the other

chief men to govern them, but they, must not touch upon this other

question. Why? The question of who shall be governor of a Territory for a

year or two, and pass away, without his track being left upon the soil, or

an act which he did for good or for evil being left behind, is a question

of vast national magnitude; it is so much opposed in its nature to

locality that the nation itself must decide it: while this other matter

of planting slavery upon a soil,--a thing which, once planted, cannot be

eradicated by the succeeding millions who have as much right there as the

first comers, or, if eradicated, not without infinite difficulty and

a long struggle, he considers the power to prohibit it as one of these

little local, trivial things that the nation ought not to say a word

about; that it affects nobody save the few men who are there.

Take these two things and consider them together, present the question of

planting a State with the institution of slavery by the side of a question

who shall be Governor of Kansas for a year or two, and is there a man

here, is there a man on earth, who would not say the governor question

is the little one, and the slavery question is the great one? I ask any

honest Democrat if the small, the local, and the trivial and temporary

question is not, Who shall be governor? while the durable, the important,

and the mischievous one is, Shall this soil be planted with slavery?

This is an idea, I suppose, which has arisen in Judge Douglas's mind from

his peculiar structure. I suppose the institution of slavery really looks

small to him. He is so put up by nature that a lash upon his back would

hurt him, but a lash upon anybody else's back does not hurt him. That is

the build of the man, and consequently he looks upon the matter of slavery

in this unimportant light.

Judge Douglas ought to remember, when he is endeavoring to force this

policy upon the American people, that while he is put up in that way,

a good many are not. He ought to remember that there was once in

this country a man by the name of Thomas Jefferson, supposed to be a

Democrat,--a man whose principles and policy are not very prevalent

amongst Democrats to-day, it is true; but that man did not take exactly

this view of the insignificance of the element of slavery which our friend

judge Douglas does. In contemplation of this thing, we all know he was led

to exclaim, "I tremble for my country when I remember that God is just!"

We know how he looked upon it when he thus expressed himself. There was

danger to this country,--danger of the avenging justice of God, in that

little unimportant popular sovereignty question of judge Douglas. He

supposed there was a question of God's eternal justice wrapped up in the

enslaving of any race of men, or any man, and that those who did so braved

the arm of Jehovah; that when a nation thus dared the Almighty, every

friend of that nation had cause to dread his wrath. Choose ye between

Jefferson and Douglas as to what is the true view of this element among

us.

There is another little difficulty about this matter of treating the

Territories and States alike in all things, to which I ask your attention,

and I shall leave this branch of the case. If there is no difference

between them, why not make the Territories States at once? What is

the reason that Kansas was not fit to come into the Union when it was

organized into a Territory, in Judge Douglas's view? Can any of you tell

any reason why it should not have come into the Union at once? They are

fit, as he thinks, to decide upon the slavery question,--the largest and

most important with which they could possibly deal: what could they do by

coming into the Union that they are not fit to do, according to his view,

by staying out of it? Oh, they are not fit to sit in Congress and decide

upon the rates of postage, or questions of ad valorem or specific duties

on foreign goods, or live-oak timber contracts, they are not fit to decide

these vastly important matters, which are national in their import, but

they are fit, "from the jump," to decide this little negro question. But,

gentlemen, the case is too plain; I occupy too much time on this head, and

I pass on.

Near the close of the copyright essay, the judge, I think, comes very near

kicking his own fat into the fire. I did not think, when I commenced these

remarks, that I would read that article, but I now believe I will:

"This exposition of the history of these measures shows conclusively that

the authors of the Compromise measures of 1850 and of the Kansas-Nebraska

Act of 1854, as well as the members of the Continental Congress of 1774.,

and the founders of our system of government subsequent to the Revolution,

regarded the people of the Territories and Colonies as political

communities which were entitled to a free and exclusive power of

legislation in their provisional legislatures, where their representation

could alone be preserved, in all cases of taxation and internal polity."

When the judge saw that putting in the word "slavery" would contradict

his own history, he put in what he knew would pass synonymous with it,

"internal polity." Whenever we find that in one of his speeches, the

substitute is used in this manner; and I can tell you the reason. It would

be too bald a contradiction to say slavery; but "internal polity" is a

general phrase, which would pass in some quarters, and which he hopes will

pass with the reading community for the same thing.

"This right pertains to the people collectively, as a law-abiding and

peaceful community, and not in the isolated individuals who may wander

upon the public domain in violation of the law. It can only be exercised

where there are inhabitants sufficient to constitute a government, and

capable of performing its various functions and duties,--a fact to be

ascertained and determined by" who do you think? Judge Douglas says "by

Congress!" "Whether the number shall be fixed at ten, fifteen or twenty

thousand inhabitants, does not affect the principle."

Now, I have only a few comments to make. Popular sovereignty, by his own

words, does not pertain to the few persons who wander upon the public

domain in violation of law. We have his words for that. When it does

pertain to them, is when they are sufficient to be formed into an

organized political community, and he fixes the minimum for that at ten

thousand, and the maximum at twenty thousand. Now, I would like to know

what is to be done with the nine thousand? Are they all to be treated,

until they are large enough to be organized into a political community, as

wanderers upon the public land, in violation of law? And if so treated

and driven out, at what point of time would there ever be ten thousand?

If they were not driven out, but remained there as trespassers upon the

public land in violation of the law, can they establish slavery there? No;

the judge says popular sovereignty don't pertain to them then. Can they

exclude it then? No; popular sovereignty don't pertain to them then. I

would like to know, in the case covered by the essay, what condition

the people of the Territory are in before they reach the number of ten

thousand?

But the main point I wish to ask attention to is, that the question as

to when they shall have reached a sufficient number to be formed into a

regular organized community is to be decided "by Congress." Judge Douglas

says so. Well, gentlemen, that is about all we want. No, that is all the

Southerners want. That is what all those who are for slavery want. They

do not want Congress to prohibit slavery from coming into the new

Territories, and they do not want popular sovereignty to hinder it; and as

Congress is to say when they are ready to be organized, all that the South

has to do is to get Congress to hold off. Let Congress hold off until they

are ready to be admitted as a State, and the South has all it wants in

taking slavery into and planting it in all the Territories that we now

have or hereafter may have. In a word, the whole thing, at a dash of the

pen, is at last put in the power of Congress; for if they do not have this

popular sovereignty until Congress organizes them, I ask if it at last

does not come from Congress? If, at last, it amounts to anything at all,

Congress gives it to them. I submit this rather for your reflection

than for comment. After all that is said, at last, by a dash of the pen,

everything that has gone before is undone, and he puts the whole question

under the control of Congress. After fighting through more than three

hours, if you undertake to read it, he at last places the whole matter

under the control of that power which he has been contending against, and

arrives at a result directly contrary to what he had been laboring to do.

He at last leaves the whole matter to the control of Congress.

There are two main objects, as I understand it, of this Harper's Magazine

essay. One was to show, if possible, that the men of our Revolutionary

times were in favor of his popular sovereignty, and the other was to show

that the Dred Scott decision had not entirely squelched out this popular

sovereignty. I do not propose, in regard to this argument drawn from

the history of former times, to enter into a detailed examination of the

historical statements he has made. I have the impression that they are

inaccurate in a great many instances,--sometimes in positive statement,

but very much more inaccurate by the suppression of statements that really

belong to the history. But I do not propose to affirm that this is so to

any very great extent, or to enter into a very minute examination of his

historical statements. I avoid doing so upon this principle,--that if it

were important for me to pass out of this lot in the least period of time

possible, and I came to that fence, and saw by a calculation of my known

strength and agility that I could clear it at a bound, it would be folly

for me to stop and consider whether I could or not crawl through a crack.

So I say of the whole history contained in his essay where he endeavored

to link the men of the Revolution to popular sovereignty. It only requires

an effort to leap out of it, a single bound to be entirely successful.

If you read it over, you will find that he quotes here and there from

documents of the Revolutionary times, tending to show that the people of

the colonies were desirous of regulating their own concerns in their own

way, that the British Government should not interfere; that at one time

they struggled with the British Government to be permitted to exclude

the African slave trade,--if not directly, to be permitted to exclude

it indirectly, by taxation sufficient to discourage and destroy it. From

these and many things of this sort, judge Douglas argues that they were

in favor of the people of our own Territories excluding slavery if they

wanted to, or planting it there if they wanted to, doing just as they

pleased from the time they settled upon the Territory. Now, however his

history may apply and whatever of his argument there may be that is sound

and accurate or unsound and inaccurate, if we can find out what these men

did themselves do upon this very question of slavery in the Territories,

does it not end the whole thing? If, after all this labor and effort

to show that the men of the Revolution were in favor of his popular

sovereignty and his mode of dealing with slavery in the Territories, we

can show that these very men took hold of that subject, and dealt with

it, we can see for ourselves how they dealt with it. It is not a matter of

argument or inference, but we know what they thought about it.

It is precisely upon that part of the history of the country that one

important omission is made by Judge Douglas. He selects parts of the

history of the United States upon the subject of slavery, and treats it as

the whole, omitting from his historical sketch the legislation of Congress

in regard to the admission of Missouri, by which the Missouri Compromise

was established and slavery excluded from a country half as large as the

present United States. All this is left out of his history, and in nowise

alluded to by him, so far as I can remember, save once, when he makes

a remark, that upon his principle the Supreme Court were authorized to

pronounce a decision that the act called the Missouri Compromise was

unconstitutional. All that history has been left out. But this part of the

history of the country was not made by the men of the Revolution.

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