That extract and the sentiments expressed in it have been extremely

offensive to Judge Douglas. He has warred upon them as Satan wars upon the

Bible. His perversions upon it are endless. Here now are my views upon it

in brief:

I said we were now far into the fifth year since a policy was initiated

with the avowed object and confident promise of putting an end to the

slavery agitation. Is it not so? When that Nebraska Bill was brought

forward four years ago last January, was it not for the "avowed object" of

putting an end to the slavery agitation? We were to have no more agitation

in Congress; it was all to be banished to the Territories. By the way, I

will remark here that, as Judge Douglas is very fond of complimenting Mr.

Crittenden in these days, Mr. Crittenden has said there was a falsehood

in that whole business, for there was no slavery agitation at that time to

allay. We were for a little while quiet on the troublesome thing, and that

very allaying plaster of Judge Douglas's stirred it up again. But was it

not understood or intimated with the "confident promise" of putting an end

to the slavery agitation? Surely it was. In every speech you heard Judge

Douglas make, until he got into this "imbroglio," as they call it, with

the Administration about the Lecompton Constitution, every speech on that

Nebraska Bill was full of his felicitations that we were just at the

end of the slavery agitation. The last tip of the last joint of the old

serpent's tail was just drawing out of view. But has it proved so? I have

asserted that under that policy that agitation "has not only not ceased,

but has constantly augmented." When was there ever a greater agitation in

Congress than last winter? When was it as great in the country as to-day?

There was a collateral object in the introduction of that Nebraska policy,

which was to clothe the people of the Territories with a superior degree

of self-government, beyond what they had ever had before. The first

object and the main one of conferring upon the people a higher degree of

"self-government" is a question of fact to be determined by you in answer

to a single question. Have you ever heard or known of a people anywhere

on earth who had as little to do as, in the first instance of its use, the

people of Kansas had with this same right of "self-government "? In

its main policy and in its collateral object, it has been nothing but a

living, creeping lie from the time of its introduction till to-day.

I have intimated that I thought the agitation would not cease until a

crisis should have been reached and passed. I have stated in what way I

thought it would be reached and passed. I have said that it might go one

way or the other. We might, by arresting the further spread of it, and

placing it where the fathers originally placed it, put it where the public

mind should rest in the belief that it was in the course of ultimate

extinction. Thus the agitation may cease. It may be pushed forward until

it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new, North

as well as South. I have said, and I repeat, my wish is that the further

spread of it may be arrested, and that it may be where the public

mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate

extinction--I have expressed that as my wish I entertain the opinion, upon

evidence sufficient to my mind, that the fathers of this government placed

that institution where the public mind did rest in the belief that it was

in the course of ultimate extinction. Let me ask why they made provision

that the source of slavery--the African slave-trade--should be cut off at

the end of twenty years? Why did they make provision that in all the new

territory we owned at that time slavery should be forever inhibited? Why

stop its spread in one direction, and cut off its source in another,

if they did not look to its being placed in the course of its ultimate

extinction?

Again: the institution of slavery is only mentioned in the Constitution of

the United States two or three times, and in neither of these cases does

the word "slavery" or "negro race" occur; but covert language is used

each time, and for a purpose full of significance. What is the language

in regard to the prohibition of the African slave-trade? It runs in about

this way:

"The migration or importation of such persons as any of the States now

existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the

Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight."

The next allusion in the Constitution to the question of slavery and the

black race is on the subject of the basis of representation, and there the

language used is:

"Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several

States which may be included within this Union, according to their

respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole

number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term

of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other

persons."

It says "persons," not slaves, not negroes; but this "three-fifths" can be

applied to no other class among us than the negroes.

Lastly, in the provision for the reclamation of fugitive slaves, it is

said:

"No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof,

escaping into another, shall in consequence of any law or regulation

therein be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered

up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

There again there is no mention of the word "negro" or of slavery. In

all three of these places, being the only allusions to slavery in the

instrument, covert language is used. Language is used not suggesting that

slavery existed or that the black race were among us. And I understand the

contemporaneous history of those times to be that covert language was used

with a purpose, and that purpose was that in our Constitution, which it

was hoped and is still hoped will endure forever,--when it should be read

by intelligent and patriotic men, after the institution of slavery had

passed from among us,--there should be nothing on the face of the great

charter of liberty suggesting that such a thing as negro slavery had ever

existed among us. This is part of the evidence that the fathers of the

government expected and intended the institution of slavery to come to

an end. They expected and intended that it should be in the course of

ultimate extinction. And when I say that I desire to see the further

spread of it arrested, I only say I desire to see that done which the

fathers have first done. When I say I desire to see it placed where the

public mind will rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate

extinction, I only say I desire to see it placed where they placed it.

It is not true that our fathers, as Judge Douglas assumes, made this

government part slave and part free. Understand the sense in which he

puts it. He assumes that slavery is a rightful thing within itself,--was

introduced by the framers of the Constitution. The exact truth is, that

they found the institution existing among us, and they left it as they

found it. But in making the government they left this institution with

many clear marks of disapprobation upon it. They found slavery among

them, and they left it among them because of the difficulty--the absolute

impossibility--of its immediate removal. And when Judge Douglas asks me

why we cannot let it remain part slave and part free, as the fathers of

the government made it, he asks a question based upon an assumption which

is itself a falsehood; and I turn upon him and ask him the question, when

the policy that the fathers of the government had adopted in relation

to this element among us was the best policy in the world, the only wise

policy, the only policy that we can ever safely continue upon that will

ever give us peace, unless this dangerous element masters us all and

becomes a national institution,--I turn upon him and ask him why he could

not leave it alone. I turn and ask him why he was driven to the necessity

of introducing a new policy in regard to it. He has himself said he

introduced a new policy. He said so in his speech on the 22d of March of

the present year, 1858. I ask him why he could not let it remain where

our fathers placed it. I ask, too, of Judge Douglas and his friends why we

shall not again place this institution upon the basis on which the fathers

left it. I ask you, when he infers that I am in favor of setting the free

and slave States at war, when the institution was placed in that attitude

by those who made the Constitution, did they make any war? If we had no

war out of it when thus placed, wherein is the ground of belief that we

shall have war out of it if we return to that policy? Have we had any

peace upon this matter springing from any other basis? I maintain that we

have not. I have proposed nothing more than a return to the policy of the

fathers.

I confess, when I propose a certain measure of policy, it is not enough

for me that I do not intend anything evil in the result, but it is

incumbent on me to show that it has not a tendency to that result. I

have met Judge Douglas in that point of view. I have not only made the

declaration that I do not mean to produce a conflict between the States,

but I have tried to show by fair reasoning, and I think I have shown to

the minds of fair men, that I propose nothing but what has a most peaceful

tendency. The quotation that I happened to make in that Springfield

Speech, that "a house divided against itself cannot stand," and which has

proved so offensive to the judge, was part and parcel of the same thing.

He tries to show that variety in the democratic institutions of the

different States is necessary and indispensable. I do not dispute it. I

have no controversy with Judge Douglas about that. I shall very readily

agree with him that it would be foolish for us to insist upon having a

cranberry law here in Illinois, where we have no cranberries, because they

have a cranberry law in Indiana, where they have cranberries. I should

insist that it would be exceedingly wrong in us to deny to Virginia the

right to enact oyster laws, where they have oysters, because we want no

such laws here. I understand, I hope, quite as well as Judge Douglas or

anybody else, that the variety in the soil and climate and face of the

country, and consequent variety in the industrial pursuits and productions

of a country, require systems of law conforming to this variety in the

natural features of the country. I understand quite as well as Judge

Douglas that if we here raise a barrel of flour more than we want, and the

Louisianians raise a barrel of sugar more than they want, it is of mutual

advantage to exchange. That produces commerce, brings us together, and

makes us better friends. We like one another the more for it. And I

understand as well as Judge Douglas, or anybody else, that these mutual

accommodations are the cements which bind together the different parts

of this Union; that instead of being a thing to "divide the

house,"--figuratively expressing the Union,--they tend to sustain it; they

are the props of the house, tending always to hold it up.

But when I have admitted all this, I ask if there is any parallel between

these things and this institution of slavery? I do not see that there

is any parallel at all between them. Consider it. When have we had any

difficulty or quarrel amongst ourselves about the cranberry laws of

Indiana, or the oyster laws of Virginia, or the pine-lumber laws of Maine,

or the fact that Louisiana produces sugar, and Illinois flour? When have

we had any quarrels over these things? When have we had perfect peace in

regard to this thing which I say is an element of discord in this Union?

We have sometimes had peace, but when was it? It was when the institution

of slavery remained quiet where it was. We have had difficulty and turmoil

whenever it has made a struggle to spread itself where it was not. I ask,

then, if experience does not speak in thunder-tones telling us that the

policy which has given peace to the country heretofore, being returned to,

gives the greatest promise of peace again. You may say, and Judge Douglas

has intimated the same thing, that all this difficulty in regard to

the institution of slavery is the mere agitation of office-seekers and

ambitious Northern politicians. He thinks we want to get "his place," I

suppose. I agree that there are office-seekers amongst us. The Bible

says somewhere that we are desperately selfish. I think we would have

discovered that fact without the Bible. I do not claim that I am any less

so than the average of men, but I do claim that I am not more selfish than

Judge Douglas.

But is it true that all the difficulty and agitation we have in regard

to this institution of slavery spring from office-seeking, from the mere

ambition of politicians? Is that the truth? How many times have we had

danger from this question? Go back to the day of the Missouri Compromise.

Go back to the nullification question, at the bottom of which lay this

same slavery question. Go back to the time of the annexation of Texas.

Go back to the troubles that led to the Compromise of 1850. You will find

that every time, with the single exception of the Nullification question,

they sprung from an endeavor to spread this institution. There never was a

party in the history of this country, and there probably never will be, of

sufficient strength to disturb the general peace of the country. Parties

themselves may be divided and quarrel on minor questions, yet it extends

not beyond the parties themselves. But does not this question make a

disturbance outside of political circles? Does it not enter into the

churches and rend them asunder? What divided the great Methodist Church

into two parts, North and South? What has raised this constant disturbance

in every Presbyterian General Assembly that meets? What disturbed the

Unitarian Church in this very city two years ago? What has jarred and

shaken the great American Tract Society recently, not yet splitting it,

but sure to divide it in the end? Is it not this same mighty, deep-seated

power that somehow operates on the minds of men, exciting and stirring

them up in every avenue of society,--in politics, in religion, in

literature, in morals, in all the manifold relations of life? Is this the

work of politicians? Is that irresistible power, which for fifty years has

shaken the government and agitated the people, to be stifled and subdued

by pretending that it is an exceedingly simple thing, and we ought not to

talk about it? If you will get everybody else to stop talking about it,

I assure you I will quit before they have half done so. But where is

the philosophy or statesmanship which assumes that you can quiet that

disturbing element in our society which has disturbed us for more than

half a century, which has been the only serious danger that has threatened

our institutions,--I say, where is the philosophy or the statesmanship

based on the assumption that we are to quit talking about it, and that the

public mind is all at once to cease being agitated by it? Yet this is the

policy here in the North that Douglas is advocating, that we are to care

nothing about it! I ask you if it is not a false philosophy. Is it not a

false statesmanship that undertakes to build up a system of policy upon

the basis of caring nothing about the very thing that everybody does care

the most about--a thing which all experience has shown we care a very

great deal about?

The Judge alludes very often in the course of his remarks to the exclusive

right which the States have to decide the whole thing for themselves. I

agree with him very readily that the different States have that right.

He is but fighting a man of straw when he assumes that I am contending

against the right of the States to do as they please about it. Our

controversy with him is in regard to the new Territories. We agree that

when the States come in as States they have the right and the power to do

as they please. We have no power as citizens of the free-States, or in

our Federal capacity as members of the Federal Union through the General

Government, to disturb slavery in the States where it exists. We profess

constantly that we have no more inclination than belief in the power

of the government to disturb it; yet we are driven constantly to defend

ourselves from the assumption that we are warring upon the rights of the

Sates. What I insist upon is, that the new Territories shall be kept free

from it while in the Territorial condition. Judge Douglas assumes that we

have no interest in them,--that we have no right whatever to interfere. I

think we have some interest. I think that as white men we have. Do we not

wish for an outlet for our surplus population, if I may so express

myself? Do we not feel an interest in getting to that outlet with such

institutions as we would like to have prevail there? If you go to the

Territory opposed to slavery, and another man comes upon the same ground

with his slave, upon the assumption that the things are equal, it turns

out that he has the equal right all his way, and you have no part of it

your way. If he goes in and makes it a slave Territory, and by consequence

a slave State, is it not time that those who desire to have it a free

State were on equal ground? Let me suggest it in a different way. How many

Democrats are there about here ["A thousand"] who have left slave States

and come into the free State of Illinois to get rid of the institution

of slavery? [Another voice: "A thousand and one."] I reckon there are a

thousand and one. I will ask you, if the policy you are now advocating had

prevailed when this country was in a Territorial condition, where would

you have gone to get rid of it? Where would you have found your free State

or Territory to go to? And when hereafter, for any cause, the people in

this place shall desire to find new homes, if they wish to be rid of the

institution, where will they find the place to go to?

Now, irrespective of the moral aspect of this question as to whether there

is a right or wrong in enslaving a negro, I am still in favor of our new

Territories being in such a condition that white men may find a home,--may

find some spot where they can better their condition; where they can

settle upon new soil and better their condition in life. I am in favor

of this, not merely (I must say it here as I have elsewhere) for our own

people who are born amongst us, but as an outlet for free white people

everywhere the world over--in which Hans, and Baptiste, and Patrick, and

all other men from all the world, may find new homes and better their

conditions in life.

I have stated upon former occasions, and I may as well state again, what I

understand to be the real issue in this controversy between Judge Douglas

and myself. On the point of my wanting to make war between the free and

the slave States, there has been no issue between us. So, too, when he

assumes that I am in favor of producing a perfect social and political

equality between the white and black races. These are false issues,

upon which Judge Douglas has tried to force the controversy. There is

no foundation in truth for the charge that I maintain either of these

propositions. The real issue in this controversy--the one pressing upon

every mind--is the sentiment on the part of one class that looks upon the

institution of slavery as a wrong, and of another class that does not look

upon it as a wrong. The sentiment that contemplates the institution of

slavery in this country as a wrong is the sentiment of the Republican

party. It is the sentiment around which all their actions, all their

arguments, circle, from which all their propositions radiate. They look

upon it as being a moral, social, and political wrong; and while they

contemplate it as such, they nevertheless have due regard for its actual

existence among us, and the difficulties of getting rid of it in any

satisfactory way, and to all the constitutional obligations thrown about

it. Yet, having a due regard for these, they desire a policy in regard

to it that looks to its not creating any more danger. They insist that it

should, as far as may be, be treated as a wrong; and one of the methods of

treating it as a wrong is to make provision that it shall grow no larger.

They also desire a policy that looks to a peaceful end of slavery at some

time. These are the views they entertain in regard to it as I understand

them; and all their sentiments, all their arguments and propositions,

are brought within this range. I have said, and I repeat it here, that

if there be a man amongst us who does not think that the institution of

slavery is wrong in any one of the aspects of which I have spoken, he is

misplaced, and ought not to be with us. And if there be a man amongst us

who is so impatient of it as a wrong as to disregard its actual

presence among us and the difficulty of getting rid of it suddenly in a

satisfactory way, and to disregard the constitutional obligations thrown

about it, that man is misplaced if he is on our platform. We disclaim

sympathy with him in practical action. He is not placed properly with us.

On this subject of treating it as a wrong, and limiting its spread, let me

say a word. Has anything ever threatened the existence of this Union save

and except this very institution of slavery? What is it that we hold most

dear amongst us? Our own liberty and prosperity. What has ever threatened

our liberty and prosperity, save and except this institution of slavery?

If this is true, how do you propose to improve the condition of things by

enlarging slavery, by spreading it out and making it bigger? You may have

a wen or cancer upon your person, and not be able to cut it out, lest

you bleed to death; but surely it is no way to cure it, to engraft it and

spread it over your whole body. That is no proper way of treating what you

regard a wrong. You see this peaceful way of dealing with it as a wrong,

restricting the spread of it, and not allowing it to go into new

countries where it has not already existed. That is the peaceful way,

the old-fashioned way, the way in which the fathers themselves set us the

example.

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