"In that of the race, or, at least, in that of his own age and

country. Now, do be patient a moment, and let me explain! What I want

to suggest is, that every civilization worth the name possesses, in

its laws and institutions, in the customs it blindly follows, the

moral code it instinctively obeys, an actual objective standard,

worked out in minute detail, of what, in every department of life,

really is good. To this standard every plain man, without reasoning,

and even without reflexion, does in fact simply and naturally conform;

so do all of us who are discussing here, in all the common affairs of

our daily life. We know, if I may say so, better than we know; and the

difficulties into which we are driven, in speculations such as

that upon which we are engaged, arise, to my mind, from a false and

unnecessary abstraction--from putting aside all the rich content

of actual life, and calling into the wilderness for the answer to a

question which solves itself in the street and the market-place."

"Well," I said, "for my own part, I am a good deal in sympathy with

what you say. At the same time there is a difficulty."

"A difficulty!" cried Leslie, "there are hundreds and thousands!"

"Perhaps," I replied, "but the particular one to which I was referring

is this. Every civilization, no doubt, has its own standard of Good;

but these standards are different and even opposite; so that it would

seem we require some criterion by which to compare and judge them."

"No," cried Parry, "that is just what I protest against. We are not

concerned with other ideals than our own. Every great civilization

believes in itself. Take, for instance, the ancient Greeks, of

whom you are so fond of talking. In my opinion they are absurdly

over-estimated; but they had at least that good quality--they believed

in themselves. To them the whole non-Greek world was barbarian; the

standard of Good was frankly their own standard; and it was a standard

knowable and known, however wide might be the deviations from it in

practice. We find accordingly that for them the ideal was rooted in

the real. Plato, even, in constructing his imaginary republic,

does not build in the void, evoking from his own consciousness

a Cloud-Cuckoo-city for the Birds; on the contrary, he bases

his structure upon the actual, following the general plan of the

institutions of Sparta and Crete; and neither to him nor to Aristotle

does it ever occur that there is, or could be, any form of state worth

considering, except the city-state with which they were familiar. It

is the same with their treatment of ethics; their ideal is that of

the Greeks, not of Man in general, and stands in close relation to the

facts of contemporary life. So, too, with their art; it is not,

like that of our modern romanticists, an impotent yearning for

vaguely-imagined millenniums. On the contrary, it is an ideal

interpretation of their own activity, a mirror focussing into feature

and form the very same fact which they saw distorted and blurred in

the troubled stream of time. The Good, in the Greek world, was simply

the essence and soul of the Real; and the Socrates of Xenophon who

frankly identified justice with the laws, was only expressing, and

hardly with exaggeration, the current convictions of his countrymen.

That, to my mind, is the attitude of health; and it is the one natural

to the plain man in every well-organized society. Good is best known

when it is not investigated; and people like ourselves would do no

useful service if we were to induce in others the habit of discussion

which education has made a second nature to ourselves."

"My dear Parry!" cried Ellis, "you alarm me! Is it possible that we

are all anarchists in disguise?"

"Parry," I observed, "seems to agree with the view attributed by

Browning to Paracelsus, that thought is disease, and natural health is

ignorance."

"Well," rejoined Ellis, "there is a good deal to be said for that."

"There's a good deal to be said for everything," I rejoined. "But

if thought indeed be disease, we must recognise the fact that we are

suffering from it; and so, I fear, is the whole modern world. It was

easy for the Greeks to be 'healthy'; practically they had no past. But

for us the past overweights the present; we cannot, if we would,

get rid of the burden of it. All that was once absolute has become

relative, including our own conceptions and ideals; and as we look

back down the ages and see civilization after civilization come into

being, flourish and decay, it is impossible for us to believe that

the society in which we happen to be born is more ultimate than any

of these, or that its ideal, as reflected in its institutions, has

any more claim than theirs to be regarded as a final and absolute

expression of Good."

"Well," said Parry, "let us admit, if you like, that ideals evolve,

but, in any case, the ideal of our own time has more validity for

us than any other. As to those of the past, they were, no doubt,

important in their day, but they have no importance for the modern

world. The very fact that they are past is proof that they are also

superseded."

"What!" cried Leslie, indignantly, "do you mean to say that everything

that is later in time is also better? That we are better artists than

the Greeks? better citizens than the Romans? more spiritual than the

men of the Middle Ages? more vigorous than those of the Renaissance?"

"I don't know," replied Parry, "that I am bound to maintain all that.

I only say that on the whole I believe that ideals progress; and that

therefore it is the ideals of our own time, and that alone, which we

ought practically to consider."

"The ideal of our own time?" I said, "but which of them? there are so

many."

"No, there is really only one, as I said before; the one that is

embodied in current laws and customs."

"But these are always themselves in process of change."

"Yes, gradual change."

"Not necessarily gradual; and even if it were, still change. And to

sanction a change, however slight, may always mean, in the end, the

sanctioning of a whole revolution."

"Besides," cried Leslie, "even if there were anything finally

established, what right have we to judge that the established is the

Good?"

"I don't know that we have any right; but I am sure it is what we do."

"Perhaps we do, many of us," I said, "but always, so far as we

reflect, with a lurking sense that we may be all wrong. Or how else do

you account for the curious, almost physical, sinking and disquiet we

are apt to experience in the presence of a bold denier?"

"I don't know that I do experience it."

"Do you not? I do so often; and only yesterday I had a specially vivid

experience of the kind."

"What was that?"

"Well, I was reading Nietzsche."

"Who is he?"

"A German writer. It does not much matter, but I had him in my mind

when I was speaking."

"Well, but what does he say?"

"It's not so much what he says, as what he denies."

"What does he deny, then?"

"Everything that you, I suppose, would assert. I should conjecture,

at least, that you believe in progress, democracy, and all the rest of

it."

"Well?"

"Well, he repudiates all that. Everything that you would reckon as

progress, he reckons as decadence. Democracy he regards, with all that

it involves, as a revolt of the weak against the strong, of the bad

against the good, of the herd against the master. Every great society,

in his view, is aristocratic, and aristocratic in the sense that the

many are deliberately and consciously sacrificed to the few; and

that, not as a painful necessity, but with a good conscience, in free

obedience to the universal law of the world. 'Be strong, be hard' are

his ultimate ethical principles. The modern virtues, or what we affect

to consider such, sympathy, pity, justice, thrift, unselfishness and

the like, are merely symptoms of moral degeneration. The true and

great and noble man is above all things selfish; and the highest type

of humanity is to be sought in Napoleon or Cæsar Borgia."

"But that's mere raving!"

"So you are pleased to say; and so, indeed, it really may be. But

not simply because it contradicts those current notions which we are

embodying, as fast as we can, in our institutions. It is precisely

those notions that it challenges; and it is idle to meet it with a

bare denial."

"I can conceive no better way of meeting it!"

"Perhaps, for purposes of battle. Yet, even so, you would surely be

stronger if you had reason for your faith."

"But I think my reason sufficient--those are not the ideas of the

age."

"But for all you know they may be those of the next."

"Well, that will be its concern."

"But surely, on your own theory, it must also be yours; for you said

that the later was also the better. And the better, I suppose, is what

you want to attain."

"Well!"

"Well then, in supporting the ideas and institutions generally

current, you may be hindering instead of helping the realization of

the Good you want to achieve."

"But I don't believe Nietzsche's ideas ever could represent the Good!"

"Why not?"

"Because I don't."

"But, at any rate, do you abandon the position that we can take the

ideas of our time as a final criterion?"

"I suppose so--I don't know--I'm sure there's something in it! Do you

believe yourself that they have no import for us?"

"I didn't say that; but I think we have to find what the import is.

We cannot substitute for our own judgment the mere fact of a current

convention, any more than we can substitute the mere fact of the

tendency of Nature. For, after all, it is the part of a moral reformer

to modify the convention. Or do you not think so?"

"Perhaps," he admitted, "it may be!"

"Perhaps it may be!" cried Leslie, "but palpably it is! Is there any

institution or law or opinion you could name which is not open to

obvious criticism? Take what you will--parliamentary government, the

family, the law of real property--is there one of them that could be

adequately and successfully defended?"

"Certainly!" began Parry, with some indignation. "The family--"

"Oh," I interrupted, "we are not yet in a position to discuss that!

But upon one thing we seem to be agreed--that whatever may be the

value of current standards of Good in assisting our judgment, we

cannot permit them simply to supersede it by an act of authority. And

so once more we are thrown back each upon his own opinions."

"To which, according to you," interposed Parry, "we are bound to

attach some validity."

"And yet which we are aware," added Ellis, "cannot possibly have any."

I was about to protest against this remark when I saw, coming round

from the garden, Bartlett and Dennis, the two remaining members of our

party. They had just returned from a mountaineering expedition; and

now, having had their bath, had come out to join us in our usual

place of assembly. Bartlett had in his hand the _Times_ and the _Daily

Chronicle_. He was a keen business man, and a Radical politician of

some note; and though not naturally inclined to speculative thought,

would sometimes take part in our discussions if ever they seemed to

touch on any practical issue. On these occasions his remarks were

often very much to the point; but his manner being somewhat aggressive

and polemic, his interposition did not always tend to make smooth

the course of debate. It was therefore with mingled feelings of

satisfaction and anxiety that I greeted his return. After some

talk about their expedition, he turned to me and said, "We ought to

apologise, I suppose, for interrupting a discussion?"

"Not at all!" I replied; "but, as you are here, perhaps you will be

willing to help us?"

"Oh," he said, "I leave that to Dennis. This kind of thing isn't much

in my line."

"What kind of thing?" Leslie interjected. "I don't believe you even

know what we're talking about!"

"Talking about. Why, philosophy, of course! What else should it be

when you get together?"

"This time," I said, "it's not exactly philosophy, but something more

like ethics."

"What is the question?" asked Dennis.

Dennis was always ready for a discussion, and the more abstract

the theme, the better he was pleased. He had been trained for the

profession of medicine, but coming into possession of a fortune, had

not found it necessary to practise, and had been devoting his time for

some years past to Art and Metaphysics. I always enjoyed talking to

him, though the position he had come to hold was one which I found it

very difficult to understand, and I am not sure that I have been able

to represent it fairly.

"We have been discussing," I said, in answer to his question, "our

judgments about what is good, and trying without much success to get

over the difficulty, that whereas, on the one hand, we seem to be

practically obliged to trust these judgments, on the other we find it

hard to say which of them, if any, are true, and how far and in what

sense."

"Oh," he replied, "then Bartlett ought really to be able to help you.

At any rate he's very positive himself about what's good and what's

bad. Curiously enough, he and I have been touching upon the same

point as you, and I find, among other things, that he is a convinced

Utilitarian."

"I never said so," said Bartlett, "but I have no objection to the

word. It savours of healthy homes and pure beer!"

"And is that your idea of Good?" asked Leslie, irritated, as I could

see, by this obtrusion of the concrete.

"Yes," he replied, "why not? It's as good an idea as most."

"I suppose," I said, "all of us here should agree that the things you

speak of are good. But somebody might very well deny it."

"Of course somebody can deny anything, if only for the sake of

argument."

"You mean that no one could be serious in such a denial?"

"I mean that everybody really knows perfectly well what is good and

what is bad; the difficulty is, not to know it, but to do it!"

"But surely you will admit that opinions do differ?"

"They don't differ nearly so much as people pretend, on important

points; or, if they do, the difference is not about what ought to be

done, but about how to do it."

"What ought to be done, then?" asked Leslie defiantly.

"Well, for example we ought to make our cities decent and healthy."

"Why?"

"Because we ought; or, if you like, because it will make people

happy."

"But I don't like at all! I don't see that it's necessarily good to

make people happy."

"Oh well, if you deny that--"

"Well, if I deny that?"

"I don't believe you to be serious, that's all. Good simply means,

what makes people happy; and you must know that as well as I do."

"You see!" interposed Dennis; "I told you he was a Utilitarian."

"I daresay I am; at any rate, that's what I think; and so, I believe,

does everybody else."

"'The Universe,'" murmured Ellis, "'so far as sane conjecture can go,

is an immeasurable swine's trough, consisting of solid and liquid, and

of other contrasts and kinds; especially consisting of attainable

and unattainable, the latter in immensely greater quantities for most

pigs.'"

"That's very unfair," Parry protested, "as an account of Hedonism."

"I don't see that it is at all," cried Leslie.

"I think," I said, "that it represents Bentham's position well enough,

though probably not Bartlett's."

"Oh well," said Parry, "Bentham was only an egoistic Hedonist."

"A what?" said Bartlett.

"An egoistic Hedonist."

"And what may that be?"

"An egoistic Hedonist," Parry was beginning, but Ellis cut him short.

"It's best explained," he said, "by an example. Here, for example,

is Bentham's definition of the pleasures of friendship; they are, he

says, 'those which accompany the persuasion of possessing the goodwill

of such and such individuals, and the right of expecting from them, in

consequence, spontaneous and gratuitous services.'"

We all laughed, though Parry, who loved fair play, could not help

protesting. "You really can't judge," he said, "by a single example."

"Can't you?" cried Ellis; "well then, here's another. 'The pleasures

of piety' are 'those which accompany the persuasion of acquiring

or possessing the favour of God; and the power, in consequence, of

expecting particular favours from him, either in this life or in

another.'"

We laughed again; and Parry said, "Well, I resign myself to your

levity. And after all, it doesn't much matter, for no one now is an

egoistic Hedonist."

"What are we then," asked Bartlett, "you and I?"

"Why, of course, altruistic Hedonists," said Parry.

"And what's the difference?"

"The difference is," Parry began to explain, but Ellis interrupted him

again.

"The difference is," he cried, "that one is a brute and the other a

prig."

"Really, Ellis," Parry began in a tone of remonstrance.

"But, Parry," I interposed, "are you a Utilitarian?"

"Not precisely," he replied; "but my conclusions are much the same

as theirs. And of all the _à priori_ systems I prefer Utilitarianism,

because it is at least clear, simple, and precise."

"That is what I can never see that it is."

"Why, what is your difficulty?"

"In the first place," I said, "the system appears to rest upon a

dogma."

"True," he said, "but that particular dogma--the greatest happiness

of the greatest number--is one which commends itself to everyone's

consciousness."

"I don't believe it!" said Ellis. "Let us take an example. A

crossing-sweeper, we will suppose, is suffering from a certain disease

about which the doctors know nothing. Their only chance of discovering

how to cure it is to vivisect the patient; and it is found, by the

hedonistic calculus, that if they do so, a general preponderance

of pleasure over pain will result. Accordingly, they go to the

crossing-sweeper and say,'O crossing-sweeper! In the name of the

utilitarian philosophy we call upon you to submit to vivisection. The

tortures you will have to endure, it is true, will be inconceivable:

but think of the result! A general preponderance in the community at

large of pleasure over pain! For every atom of pain inflicted on you,

an atom of pleasure will accrue to somebody else. Upon you, it is

true, will fall the whole of the pain; whereas the pleasure will be so

minutely distributed among innumerable individuals that the increment

in each case will be almost imperceptible. No matter, it will be

there! and our arithmetic assures us that the total gain in pleasure

will exceed the total loss in pain. It will also be distributed among

a greater number of individuals. Thus all the requirements of the

hedonistic calculus are satisfied! Your duty lies plain before you!

Rise to the height of your destiny, and follow us to the dissecting

room! What do you think the crossing-sweeper would say? I leave it to

Bartlett to express his sentiments!"

"My dear Ellis," said Parry, "your example is absurd. The case, to

begin with, is one that could not possibly occur. And even if it did,

one could not expect the man who was actually to suffer, to take an

impartial view of the situation."

"But," I said, "putting the sufferer out of the question, what would

really be the opinion of the people for whom he was to suffer? Do you

think they would believe they ought to accept the sacrifice? Every

man, I think, would repudiate it with horror for himself; and what

right has he to accept it for other people?"

"On the utilitarian hypothesis," said Parry, "he certainly ought to."

"No doubt; but would he? Utilitarianism claims to rest upon common

sense, but, in the case adduced, I venture to think common sense would

repudiate it."

"Perhaps," he said, "but the example is misleading. It is a case, as I

said, that could not occur--a mere marginal case."

"Still," I said, "a marginal case may suggest a fundamental fallacy.

Anyhow, I cannot see myself that the judgment that the greatest

happiness of the greatest number is good has a more obvious and

indisputable validity than any other judgments of worth. It seems to

me to be just one judgment among others; and, like the others, it may

be true or false. However, I will not press that point. But what I

should like to insist upon is, that the doctrine which Bartlett seemed

to hold--"

"I hold no doctrine," interrupted Bartlett; "I merely expressed an

opinion, which I am not likely to change for all the philosophy in

the world." And with that he opened the _Chronicle_, and presently

becoming absorbed, paid for some time no further attention to the

course of our debate.

"Well," I continued, "the doctrine, whether Bartlett holds it or

no, that the ultimately good thing is the greatest happiness of the

greatest number, cannot be insisted upon as one which appeals at

once to everyone's consciousness as true, so that, in fact, since its

enunciation, the controversy about Good may be regarded as closed. It

will hardly be maintained, I imagine, even by Parry, that the truth of

the doctrine is a direct and simple intuition, so that it has only to

be stated to be accepted?"

"Certainly not," Parry replied, "the contention of the Utilitarians

is that everyone who has the capacity and will take the trouble to

reflect will, in fact, arrive at their conclusions."

"The conclusions being like other conclusions about what is good, the

result of a difficult process of analysis, in which there are many

possibilities of error, and no more self-evident and simple than any

other judgment of the kind?"

He agreed.

"And further, the general principle, tentative and uncertain as it is,

requiring itself to be perpetually interpreted anew for every fresh

case that turns up."

"How do you mean?"

"Why," I said, "even if we grant that the end of action is the

greatest happiness of the greatest number, yet we have still to

discover wherein that happiness consists."

"But," he said, "happiness we define quite simply as pleasure."

"Yes; but how do we define pleasure?"

"We don't need to define it. Pleasure and pain are simply sensations.

If I cut my finger, I feel pain; if I drink when I am thirsty, I

feel pleasure. There can be no mistake about these feelings; they are

simple and radical."

"Undoubtedly. But if you limit pleasure and pain to such simple cases

as these, you will never get out of them a system of Ethics. And, on

the other hand, if you extend the terms indefinitely, they lose at

once all their boasted precision, and become as difficult to interpret

as Good and Evil."

"How do you mean?"

"Why," I said, "if all conduct turned on such simple choices as that

between thick soup and clear, then perhaps its rules might be fairly

summed up in the utilitarian formula. But in fact, as everyone knows,

the choices are far more difficult; they are between, let us say, a

bottle of port and a Beethoven symphony; leisure and liberty now, or

£1000 a-year twenty years hence; art and fame at the cost of health,

or sound nerves and obscurity; and so on, and so on through all

the possible cases, infinitely more complex in reality than I could

attempt to indicate here, all of which, no doubt, could be brought

under your formula, but none of which the formula would help to

solve."

"Of course," said Parry, "the hedonistic calculus is difficult to

apply. No one, that I know of, denies that."

"No one could very well deny it," I replied. "But now, see what

follows. Granting, for the moment, for the sake of argument, that in

making these difficult choices we really do apply what you call the

hedonistic calculus--"

"Which I, for my part, altogether deny!" cried Leslie.

"Well," I resumed, "but granting it for the moment, yet the important

point is not the criterion, but the result. It is a small thing to

know in general terms (supposing even it were true that we do know it)

that what we ought to seek is a preponderance of pleasure over pain;

the whole problem is to discover, in innumerable detailed cases,

wherein precisely the preponderance consists. But this can only be

learnt, if at all, by long and difficult, and, it may be, painful

experience. We do not really know, _à priori_, what things are

pleasurable, in the extended sense which we must give to the word if

the doctrine is to be at all plausible, any more definitely than we

know what things are good. And the Utilitarians by substituting

the word Pleasure for the word Good, even if the substitution were

legitimate, have not really done much to help us in our choice."

"But," he objected, "we do at least know what Pleasure is, even if we

do not know what things are pleasurable."

"And so I might say we do know what Good is, even if we do not know

what things are good."

"But we know Pleasure by direct sensation."

"And so I might say we know Good by direct perception."

"But you cannot define Good."

"Neither can you define Pleasure. Both must be recognised by direct

experience."

"But, at any rate," he said, "there is this distinction, that in the

case of Pleasure everyone _does_ recognise it when it occurs; whereas

there is no such general recognition of Good."

"That," I admitted, "may, perhaps, be true; I am not sure."

"But," broke in Leslie, "what does it matter whether it be true or

no? What has all this to do with the question? It's immaterial whether

Pleasure or Good is the more easily and generally recognisable. The

point is that they are radically different things."

"No," objected Parry, "_our_ point is that they are the same thing."

"But I don't believe you really think so, or that anyone can."

"And _I_ don't believe that anyone _cannot_!"

"Do you mean to say that you really agree with Bentham that, quantity

of pleasure being equal, pushpin is as good as poetry?"

"Yes; at least I agree with what he means, though the particular

example doesn't appeal to me, for I hardly know what either pushpin or

poetry is."

"Well then, let us take Plato's example. Do you think that, quantity

of pleasure being equal, scratching oneself when one itches is as good

as, say, pursuing scientific research."

"Yes. But of course the point is that quantity of pleasure is not

equal."

"You mean," interposed Ellis, "that there is more pleasure in

scratching?"

"No, of course not."

"But at least you will admit that there is more pleasure in some

physical experiences? Plato, for example, takes the case of a

catamite."

"I admit nothing of the kind. In the first place, these gross physical

pleasures do not last."

"But suppose they did? Imagine an eternal, never-changing bliss of

scratching, or of--"

"I don't see the use of discussing the matter in this kind of way. It

seems to me to deserve serious treatment"

"But I am perfectly serious. I do genuinely believe that a heaven of

scratching, or at any rate of some analogous but intenser experience,

would involve an indefinitely greater sum of pleasure than a heaven of

scientific research."

"Well, all I can say is, I don't agree with you."

"But why not?" cried Leslie. "If you were candid I believe you would.

The fact is that you have predetermined that scientific research is a

better thing than such physical pleasure, and then you bring out your

calculation of pleasure so as to agree with that foregone conclusion.

And that is what the Utilitarians always do. Being ordinary decent

people they accept the same values as the rest of the world, and on

the same grounds as the rest of the world. And then they pretend,

and no doubt believe themselves, that they have been led to their

conclusions by the hedonistic calculus. But really, if they made an

impartial attempt to apply the calculus fairly, they would arrive

at quite different results, results which would surprise and shock

themselves, and destroy the whole plausibility of their theory."

"That is your view of the matter."

"But isn't it yours?"

"No, certainly not."

"At any rate," I interposed, "it seems to be clear that this

utilitarian doctrine has nothing absolute or final or self-evident

about it. All we can say is that among the many opinions about what

things are good, there is also this opinion, very widely held, that

all pleasurable things are good, and that nothing is good that is not

pleasurable. But that, like any other opinion, can be and is disputed.

So that we return pretty much to the point we left, that there are

a number of conflicting opinions about what things are good, that

to these opinions some validity must be attached, but that it is

difficult to see how we are to reconcile them or to choose between

them. Only, somehow or other, as it seems to me, the truth about Good

must be adumbrated in these opinions, and by interrogating the actual

experience of men in their judgments about good things, we may perhaps

be able to get at least some, shadowy notion of the object of our

quest"

"And so," said Ellis, getting up and stretching himself, "even by your

own confession we end where we began."

"Not quite," I replied. "Besides, have we ended?"

For some minutes it seemed as though we had. The mid-day heat (it was

now twelve o'clock) and the silence broken only by the murmur of

the fountain (for the mowers opposite had gone home to their dinner)

seemed to have induced a general disinclination to the effort of

speech or thought Even Dennis whom I had never known to be tired in

body or mind, and who was always debating something--it seemed to

matter very little what--even he, I thought at first, was ready to let

the discussion drop. But presently it became clear that he was only

revolving my last words in his mind, for before long he turned to me

and said:

"I don't know what you mean by 'interrogating experience,' or what

results you hope to attain by that process." At this Leslie pricked

up his ears, and I saw that he at least was as eager as ever to pursue

the subject further.

"Why," continued Dennis, "should there not be a method of discovering

Good independently of all experience?"

The phrase immediately arrested Wilson's attention.

"'A method independent of experience,'" he cried, "why, what kind of a

method would that be?"

"It is not so easy to describe," replied Dennis. "But I was thinking

of the kind of method, for example, that is worked out by Hegel in his

_Logic_?"

"I have never read Hegel," said Wilson. "So that doesn't convey much

to my mind."

"Well," said Dennis, "I am afraid I can't summarize him!"

"Can't you?" cried Ellis, "I can! Here he is in a nutshell! Take any

statement you like--for example, 'Nothing exists!'--put it into the

dialectical machine, turn the handle, and hey presto! out comes the

Absolute! The thing's infallible; it does not matter what you put in;

you always get out the same identical sausage."

Dennis laughed. "There, Wilson," he said, "I hope you understand now!"

"I can't say I do," replied Wilson, "but I daresay it doesn't much

matter."

"Perhaps, then," said Ellis, "you would prefer the Kantian plan."

"What is that?"

"Oh, it's much simpler than the other. You go into your room, lock the

door, and close the shutters, excluding all light Then you proceed

to invert the mind, so as to relieve it of all its contents; look

steadily into the empty vessel, as if it were a well; and at the

bottom you will find Truth in the form of a categorical imperative.

Or, if you don't like that, there's the method of Fichte. You take an

Ego, by preference yourself; convert it into a proposition; negate it,

affirm it, negate it again, and so on _ad infinitum_, until you get

out the whole Universe in the likeness of yourself. But that's rather

a difficult method; probably you would prefer Spinoza's. You take--"

"No!" cried Dennis, "there I protest! Spinoza is too venerable a

name."

"So are they all, all venerable names," said Ellis. "But the question

is, to which of them do you swear allegiance? For they all arrive at

totally different results."

"I don't know that I swear allegiance to any of them," he replied. "I

merely ventured to suggest that it is only by some such method of pure

reason that one can ever hope to discover Good."

"You do not profess then," I said, "to have discovered any such method

yourself?"

"No."

"Nor do you feel sure that anyone else has?"

"No."

"You simply lie down and block the road?"

"Yes," he said, "and you may walk over me if you can."

"No," I said, "It will be simpler, I think, if possible, to walk round

you." For by this time an idea had occurred to me.

"Do so," he said, "by all means, if you can."

"Well" I began, "let us suppose for the sake of argument that there

really is some such method as you suggest of discovering Good--a

purely rational method, independent of all common experience."

"Let us suppose it," he said, "if you are willing."

"Is it your idea then," I continued, "that this Good so discovered,

would be out of all relation to what we call goods? Or would it be

merely the total reality of which they are imperfect and inadequate

expressions?"

"I do not see," he said, "why it should have any relationship to them.

All the things we call good may really be bad; or some good and some

bad in a quite chaotic fashion. There is no reason to suppose that

our ideas about Good have any validity unless it were by an accidental

coincidence."

"And further," I said, "though we really do believe there is a

Good, and that there is a purely rational and _à priori_ method of

discovering it, yet we do not profess to have ascertained that method

ourselves, nor do we feel sure that it has been ascertained by anyone?

In any case, we admit, I suppose, that to the great mass of men, both

of our own and all previous ages, such a method has remained unknown

and unsuspected?"

He agreed.

"But these men, nevertheless, have been pursuing Goods under the

impression that they were really good."

"Yes."

"And in this pursuit they have been expending, great men and small

alike, or rather those whom we call great and small, all that store

of energy, of passion, and blood and tears which makes up the drama of

history?"

"Undoubtedly!"

"But that expenditure, as we now see, was futile and absurd. The

purposes to which it was directed were not really good, nor had they

any tendency to promote Good, unless it were in some particular

case by some fortunate chance. Whatever men have striven to achieve,

whether like Christ, to found a religion, or, like Cæsar, to found

a polity, whether their quest were virtue or power or truth, or any

other of the ends we are accustomed to value and praise, or whether

they sought the direct opposites of these, or simply lived from hour

to hour following without reflexion the impulse of the moment, in any

and every case all alike, great and small, good and bad, leaders and

followers, or however else we may class them, were, in fact, equally

insignificant and absurd, the idle sport of illusions, one as

empty and baseless as another. The history of nations, the lives

of individual men, are stripped, in this view, of all interest and

meaning; nowhere is there advance or retrogression, nowhere better or

worse, nowhere sense or consistency at all. Systems, however imposing,

structures, however vast, fly into dust and powder at a touch. The

stars fall from the human firmament; the beacon-lights dance like

will-o'-the-wisps; the whole universe of history opens, cracks, and

dissolves in smoke; and we, from an ever-vanishing shore, gaze with

impotent eyes at the last gleam on the wings of the dove of Reason as

it dips for ever down to eternal night. Will not that be the only

view we can take of the course of human action if we hold that what we

believe to be goods have no relation to the true Good?"

"Yes," he admitted, "I suppose it will."

"And if we turn," I continued, "from the past to the present and the

future, we find ourselves, I think, in even worse case. For we

shall all, those of us who may come to accept the hypothesis you put

forward, be deprived of the consolation even of imagining a reason and

purpose in our lives. The great men of the past, at any rate, could

and did believe that they were helping to realize great Goods; but

we, in so far as we are philosophers, shall have to forego even that

satisfaction. We shall believe, indeed, that Good exists, and that

there is a method of discovering it by pure reason; but this method,

we may safely assume, we shall not most of us have ascertained. Or do

you think we shall?"

"I cannot tell," he said; "I do not profess to have ascertained it

myself."

"And meantime," I said, "you have not even the right to assume that

it is a good thing to endeavour to ascertain it. For the pursuit of

Truth, it must be admitted, is one of the things which we call

good; and these, we agreed, have not any relation to the true Good.

Consider, then, the position of these unfortunate men who have learnt

indeed that there is a Good, but who know nothing about it, except

that it has nothing to do with what they call good. What kind of life

will they live? Whatever they may put their hand to, they will at once

be paralyzed by the thought that it cannot possibly be worth pursuing.

Politics, art, pleasure, science--of these and all other ends

they know but one thing, that all is vanity. As by the touch of

enchantment, their world is turned to dust. Like Tantalus they stretch

lips and hands towards a water for ever vanishing, a fruit for

ever withdrawn. At war with empty phantoms, they 'strike with their

spirit's knife,' as Shelley has it, 'invulnerable nothings,' Dizzy and

lost they move about in worlds not only unrealized, but unrealizable,

'children crying in the night, with no language but a cry,' and no

father to cry to. And in all this blind confusion the only comfort

vouchsafed is that somehow or other they may, they cannot tell how,

discover a Good of which the only thing they know is that it has no

connection with the Goods they have lost. Is not this a fair account

of the condition to which men would be reduced who really did accept

and believe your hypothesis?"

"Yes," he said, "perhaps it is, but still I must protest against this

appeal to prejudice and passion. Supposing the truth really were as I

suggested, we should have to face it, whether or no it seemed to ruin

our own life."

"Yes," I agreed, "supposing the truth were so. But, after all, we have

no sufficient theoretical reason for believing it to be so, and

every kind of practical reason against it. We cannot, it is true,

demonstrate--and that was admitted from the first--that any of our

judgments about what is good are true; but there is no reason why we

should not believe--and I should say we must believe--that somehow or

other they do at least have truth in them."

"Well, and if so?"

"If so, we do not depend, as you said we do, or at least we do not

believe ourselves to depend, for our knowledge about Good, upon some

purely rational process not yet discovered; but those things which

we judge to be good really, we think, in some sense or so, and by

analyzing and classifying and comparing our experiences of such things

we may come to see more clearly what it is in them that we judge to be

good; and again by increasing experience we may come to know more Good

than we knew; and generally, if we once admit that we have some light,

we may hope, by degrees, to get more; and that getting of more light

will be the most important business, not only of philosophy, but of

life."

"But if we can judge of Good at all, why do we not judge rightly?

If we really have a perception, how is it that it is confused, not

clear?"

"I cannot tell how or why; but perhaps it is something of this kind.

Our experience, in the first place, is limited, and we cannot know

Good except in so far as we experience it--so, at least, I think,

though perhaps you may not agree. And if that be so, even if our

judgments about Good that we have experienced were clear, our

conclusions drawn from them would yet be very imperfect and tentative,

because there would be so much Good that we had not experienced. But,

in fact, as it seems, our judgments even about what we do experience

are confused, because every experience is indefinitely complex, and

contains, along with the Good, so much that is indifferent or bad. And

to analyze out precisely what it is that we are judging to be good is

often a difficult and laborious task, though it is one that should be

a main preoccupation with us all."

"You think, then, that there are two reasons for the obscurity and

confusion that prevail in our judgments about Good--one, that our

experience is limited, the other that it is complex?"

"Yes; and our position in this respect, as it always seems to me, is

like that of people who are learning to see, or to develop some other

sense. Something they really do perceive, but they find it hard to say

what. Their knowledge of the object depends on the state of the organ;

and it is only by the progressive perfecting of that, that they can

settle their doubts and put an end to their disputes, whether with

themselves or with other people."

"How do you mean?"

"Well, if you will allow me to elaborate my metaphor, I conceive that

we have a kind of internal sense, like a rudimentary eye, whose

nature it is to be sensitive to Good, just as it is the nature of

the physical eye to be sensitive to light. But this eye of the soul,

being, as I said, rudimentary, does not as yet perceive Good with any

clearness or precision, but only in a faint imperfect way, catching

now one aspect of it, now another, but never resting content in any of

these, being driven on by the impulse to realize itself to ever surer

and finer discrimination, with the sense that it is learning its own

nature as it learns that of its object, and that it will never be

itself a true and perfect organ until it is confronted with the true

and perfect Good. And as by the physical eye we learn by degrees

to distinguish colours and forms, to separate and combine them,

and arrange them in definite groups, and then, going further, after

discerning in this way a world of physical things, proceed to fashion

for our delight a world of art, in that finer experience becoming

aware of our own finer self; so, by this eye of hers, does the soul,

by long and tentative effort, learn to distinguish and appraise the

Goods which Nature presents to her; and then, still unsatisfied,

proceed to shape for herself a new world, as it were, of moral art,

fashioning the relations of man to Nature and to his fellow-man under

the stress of her need to realize herself, ever creating and ever

destroying only to create anew, learning in the process her own

nature, yet aware that she has never learnt it, but passing on without

rest to that unimagined consummation wherein the impulse that urges

her on will be satisfied at last, and she will rest in the perfect

enjoyment of that which she knows to be Good, because in it she

has found not only her object but herself. Is not this a possible

conception?"

"I do not say," he replied, "that it is impossible; but I still feel a

difficulty."

"What is it?" I said, "for I am anxious not to shirk anything."

"Well," he said, "you will remember when Parry suggested that the

perception of Good might perhaps be an instinct, you objected that

instincts conflict one with another, and that we therefore require

another faculty to choose between them. Now it seems to me that

your own argument is open to the same objection. You postulate some

faculty--which perhaps you might as well call an instinct--and

this faculty, as I understand you, in the effort to realize itself,

proceeds to discriminate various objects as good. But, now, does this

same faculty also know that the Goods are good, and which is better

than which, and generally in what relations they stand to one another

and to the absolutely Good? Or do we not require here, too, another

faculty to make these judgments, and must not this faculty, as I

said at first, have previously achieved, by some method of its own, a

knowledge of Good, in order that it may judge between Goods?"

"No," I said, "in that way you will get, as you hint, nothing but an

infinite regress. The perception of Good, whenever it comes, must be,

in the last analysis, something direct, immediate, and self-evident;

and so far I am in agreement with Parry. My only quarrel with him was

in regard to his assumption that the judgments we make about Good are

final and conclusive. The experiences we recognize as good are always,

it seems to me, also bad; because we are never able to apprehend or

experience what is absolutely Good. Only, as I like to believe--you

may say I have no grounds for the belief--we are always progressing

towards such a Good; and the more of it we apprehend and experience,

the more we are aware of our own well-being; or perhaps I ought to

say, of the well-being of that part of us, whatever it may be--I call

it the soul--which pursues after Good. For her attitude, perhaps you

will agree, towards her object, is not simply one of perception, but

one of appetency and enjoyment. Her aim is not merely to know Good,

but to experience it; so that along with her apprehension of Good goes

her apprehension of her own well-being, dependent upon and varying

with her relation to that, her object. Thus she is aware of a tension,

as it were, when she cannot expand, of a drooping and inanition when

nutriment fails, of a rush of health and vigour as she passes into a

new and larger life, as she freely unfolds this or that aspect of her

complex being, triumphs at last over an obstacle that has long hemmed

and thwarted her course, and rests for a moment in free and joyous

consciousness of self, like a stream newly escaped from a rocky gorge,

to meander in the sun through a green melodious valley. And this

perception she has of her own condition is like our perception of

health and disease. We know when we are well, not by any process of

ratiocination, by applying from without a standard of health deduced

by pure thought, but simply by direct sensation of well-being. So

it is with this soul of ours, which is conversant with Good. Her

perception of Good is but the other side of her perception of her own

well-being, for her well-being consists in her conformity to Good.

Thus every phase of her growth (in so far as she grows) is in

one sense good, and in another bad; good in so far as it is

self-expression, bad in so far as the expression is incomplete. From

the limitations of her being she flies, towards its expansion she

struggles; and by her perception that every Good she attains is also

bad, she is driven on in her quest of that ultimate Good which

would be, if she could reach it, at once the complete realization of

herself, and her complete conformity to Good."

"But," he objected, "apart from other difficulties, in your method of

discovering the Good is there no place for Reason at all?"

"I would not say that," I replied, "though I am bound to confess

that I see no place for what you call pure Reason. It is the part of

Reason, on my hypothesis, to tabulate and compare results. She

does not determine directly what is good, but works, as in all the

sciences, upon given data, recording the determinations not (in this

case) of the outer but of the inner sense, noticing what kinds of

activity satisfy, and to what degree, the expanding nature of this

soul that seeks Good, and deducing therefrom, so far as may be,

temporary rules of conduct based upon that unique and central

experience which is the root and foundation of the whole. Temporary

rules, I say, because, by the nature of the case, they can have in

them nothing absolute and final, inasmuch as they are mere deductions

from a process which is always developing and transforming itself.

Systems of morals, maxims of conduct are so many landmarks left to

show the route by which the soul is marching; casts, as it were, of

her features at various stages of her growth, but never the final

record of her perfect countenance. And that is why the current

morality, the positive institutions and laws, on which Parry insisted

with so much force, both have and have not the value he assigned to

them. They are in truth invaluable records of experience, and he is

rash who attacks them without understanding; and yet, in a sense,

they are only to be understood in order to be superseded, because the

experience they resume is not final, but partial and incomplete. Would

you agree with that, Parry, or no?"

"I am not sure," he said. "It would be a dangerous doctrine to put in

practice."

"Yes," I said, "but I fear that life itself is a dangerous thing,

and nothing we can do will make it safe. Our only hope is courage and

sanity."

"But," said Dennis, "to return to the other point, on your view is our

knowledge of Good altogether subsequent to experience?"

"Yes," I replied, "our knowledge is, if you like; but it is a

knowledge of experience in Good. We first recognize Good by what

I call direct perception; then we analyze and define what we have

recognized; and the results of this process, I suppose, is what we

call knowledge, so far as it goes."

"And there can be no knowledge of Good independent of experience?"

"I do not know; perhaps there might be; only I should like to suggest

that even if we could arrive at such a knowledge by pure reason, we

should have achieved only a definition of Good, not Good itself; for

Good, I suppose you will agree, must be a state of experience, not a

formula."

"Even if it be so," he said, "it might still be possible to arrive at

its formula by pure reason."

"It may be so," I replied, "only I console myself with the thought,

that if, as is the case with so many of us, we cannot see our way

to any such method, we are not left, on my hypothesis, altogether

forlorn. For though we cannot know Good, we can go on realizing Goods,

and so making progress towards the ultimate Good, which is the goal

not merely of knowledge but of action."

"And how, may I ask," said Wilson, after a pause, "in your conception,

is Good related to Happiness?"

"That," I replied, "is one of the points we have to ascertain by

experience. For I regard the statement that happiness is the end as

one of the numerous attempts which men have made to interpret

the deliverances of their internal sense. I do not imagine the

interpretation to be final and complete, and indeed it is too abstract

and general to have very much meaning. But some meaning, no doubt,

it has; and exactly what, may form the subject of much interesting

discussion in detail, which belongs, however, rather to the question

of the content of Good, than to that of the method of discovering it."

"The method!" replied Wilson, "but have you really indicated a method

at all?"

"I have indicated," I replied "what I suppose to be the method of all

science, namely, the interpretation of experience."

"But," he objected, "everything depends on the kind of

interpretation."

"True," I admitted, "but long ago I did my best to prove that we could

not learn anything about Good by the scientific method as you defined

it. For that can tell us only about what is, not about what ought to

be. At the same time, the recording and comparing and classifying of

the deliverances of this internal sense, has a certain analogy to the

procedure of science. At any rate, it might, I think, fairly be called

a method, though a method difficult to apply, and one, above

all, which only he can apply who has within himself the requisite

experience. And in this respect the study of the Good resembles the

study of the Beautiful."

"How do you mean?"

"Why," I said, "those who are conversant with the arts are well aware

that there is such a thing as a true canon, though they do not profess

to be in complete possession of it. They have a perception of the

Beautiful, not ready-made and final, but tentative and in process

of growth. This perception they cultivate by constant observation of

beautiful works, some more and some less, according to their genius

and opportunities; and thus they are always coming to see, though they

never see perfectly, just as I said was the case in the matter of the

Good."

"But," objected Parry, "what proof is there that there is any standard

at all in such matters?"

"There is no proof," I replied, "except the perception itself; and

that is sufficient proof to those who have it. And to some slight

extent, no doubt, all men have it; only many do not care to develop

it; and so, feeling in themselves that they have no standard of

judgment in art, they suppose that all others are like themselves;

and that there really is no standard and no knowledge possible in such

matters. And it is the same with Good; if a man will not choose to

cultivate his inner sense, and to train it to clear and ever clearer

perception, he will either never believe that there is any knowledge

of Good, or any meaning at all in the word; or else, since all men

feel the need of an end for action, he will have recourse to a fixed

dogma, taken up by accident and clung to with obstinate desperation,

without any root in his true inner nature; and to him all discussion

about Good will seem to be mere folly, since he will believe either

that he possesses it already or that it cannot be possessed at all.

Or If he ask after the method of discovering it, he will be unable

to understand it, because he does not choose to develop the necessary

experience; and so he will go through life for ever unconvinced,

arguing often and angrily, but always with no result, while all the

time the knowledge he denies is lying hidden within him, if only he

had the patience and faith to seek it there. But without that, there

is no possibility of convincing him; and it will be wiser altogether

to leave him alone. This, whether you call it a method or no, is the

only idea I can form as to the possibility of discovering what is

Beautiful and Good."

There was silence for a few moments, and then Wilson said:

"Do you mean to imply, on your hypothesis, that we all are always

seeking Good?"

"No," I said; "whatever I may think on that point, I have not

committed myself. It is enough for my purpose if we admit that we have

the faculty of seeking Good, supposing we choose to do so."

"And also the faculty of seeking Bad?"

"Possibly; I do not pronounce upon that."

"Well, anyhow, do you admit the existence of Bad?"

"Oh yes," I cried, "as much as you like; for it is bad, to my mind,

that we should be in a difficult quest of Good, instead of in secure

possession of it. And about the nature of that quest I make no facile

assumption. I do not pretend that what I have called the growth of the

soul from within is a smooth and easy process, a quiet unfolding of

leafy green in a bright and windless air. If I recognize the delight

of expansion, I recognize also the pain of repression--the thwarted

desire, the unfulfilled hope, the passion vain and abortive. I do not

say even whether or no, in this dim travail of the spirit, pleasure

prevails over pain, evil over good. The most I would claim is to have

suggested a meaning for our life in terms of Good; and my view, I half

hoped, would have appealed in particular to you, because what I have

offered is not an abstract formula, hard to interpret, hard to

relate to the actual facts of life, but an attempt to suggest the

significance of those facts themselves, to supply a key to the

cryptogram we call experience. And in proportion as we really believed

this view to be true, it would lead us not away from but into life,

not shutting us up, as has been too much the bent of philosophy, like

the homunculus of Goethe's 'Faust,' in the crystal phial of a set and

rigid system, to ring our little chiming bell and flash our tiny light

over the vast sea of experience, which all around us foams and floods,

myriad-streaming, immense, and clearly seen, yet never felt, through

that transparent barrier; but rather, like him when he broke the

glass, made free of the illimitable main, to follow under the yellow

moon the car of Galatea, her masque of nymphs and tritons, her gliding

pomp of cymbals and conchs, away through tempest and calm, by night or

day, companioned or alone, to the haunts of the far Cabeiri, and the

home where the Mothers dwell."

As I concluded, I looked across at Audubon, to see if I had made any

impression upon him. But he only smiled at me rather ironically

and said, "Is that meant, may I ask, for an account of everyday

experience?"

"Rather," I replied, "for an interpretation of it."

"It would need a great deal of interpretation," he said, "to make

anything of the kind out of mine."

"No doubt," I said; "yet I am not without hope that the interpretation

may be true; and that some day you may recognize it to be so yourself.

Meantime, perhaps, I, who look on, see more of the game than you

who play it; and surely in moments of leisure like this you will not

refuse to listen to my poor attempt to read the riddle of the sphinx."

"Oh," he said, "I listen gladly enough, but as I would to a poem."

"And do you think," I replied, "that there is not more truth in poetry

than in philosophy or science?"

But Wilson entered a vigorous protest, and for a time there was a

babel of argument and declamation, from which no clear line of thought

disengaged itself. Dennis, however, in his persistent way, had been

revolving in his mind what I had said, and at the first opportunity he

turned to me with the remark, "There's one point in your position that

I can't understand. Do you mean to say that it is our seeking that

determines the Good, or the Good that determines our seeking."

"Really," I said, "I don't know. I should say both are true. We, in

the process of our seeking, affirm what we find to be good, and

in that sense determine for ourselves what for us was previously

indeterminate; but, on the other hand, our determination is not mere

caprice; it is determination of Good, which we must therefore suppose

somehow or other to 'be' before we discern it."

"But then, in what sense _is_ it?"

"That is what it is so hard to say. Perhaps it is the law of our

seeking, the creative and urging principle of the world, striving

through us to realize itself, and recognized by us in that effort and

strain."

"Then your hypothesis is that Good has to be brought about, even while

you admit that in some sense it is?"

"Yes, it exists partially, and it ought to come to exist completely."

"Well now, that is exactly what seems to me absurd. If Good is at all

it is eternal and complete."

"But then, I ask in my turn, in what sense _is_ it?"

"In the only sense that anything really is. The rest is nothing but

appearance."

"What we call Evil, you mean, is nothing but appearance."

"Yes."

"You think, in fact, with the poet, that 'all that is, is good'?"

"Yes," he replied, "all that really is."

"Ah!" I said, "but in that 'really' lies the crux of the matter. Take,

for instance, a simple fact of our own experience--pain. Would you

say, perhaps, that pain is good?"

"No," he replied, "not as it appears to us; but as it really is."

"As it really is to whom, or in whom?"

"To the Absolute, we will say; to God, if you like."

"Well, but what is the relation of the pain as it is in God to the

pain that appears to us?"

"I don't pretend to know," he said, "but that is hardly the point. The

point is, that it is only in connection with what is in God that the

word Good has any real meaning. Appearance is neither good nor bad; it

is simply not real."

"But," cried Audubon, interrupting in a kind of passion, "It is in

appearance that we live and move and have our being. What is the use

of saying that appearance is neither good nor bad, when we are feeling

it as the one or the other every moment of our lives? And as to the

Good that is in God, who knows or cares about it? What consolation is

it to me when I am suffering from the toothache, to be told that God

is enjoying the pain that tortures me? It is simply absurd to call

God's Good good at all, unless it has some kind of relation to our

Good."

"Well," said Dennis, "as to that, I can only say that, in my opinion,

it is nothing but our weakness that leads us to take such a view. When

I am really at my best, when my intellect and imagination are working

freely, and the humours and passions of the flesh are laid to rest, I

seem to see, with a kind of direct intuition, that the world, just as

it is, is good, and that it is only the confusion and obscurity due to

imperfect vision that makes us call it defective and wish to alter it

for the better. When I perceive Truth at all, I perceive that it is

also Good; and I cannot then distinguish between what is, and what

ought to be."

"Really," cried Audubon, "really? Well, that I cannot understand."

"I hardly know how to make it clear," he replied, "unless it were by

a concrete example. I find that when I think out any particular aspect

of things, so far, that is to say, as I can think it out at all, all

the parts and details fall into such perfect order and arrangement

that it becomes impossible for me any longer to desire that anything

should be other than it is. And that, even in the regions where at

other times I am most prone to discover error and defect. You know,

for instance, that I am something of an economist?"

"What are you not?" I said. "If you sin, it is not from lack of

light!"

"Well," he continued, "there is, I suppose, no department of affairs

which one is more inclined to criticise than this. And yet the more

one investigates the more one discovers, even here, the harmony

and necessity that pervade the whole universe. The ebb and flow of

business from this trade or country to that, the rise and fall of

wages, or of the rate of interest, the pouring of capital into or

out of one industry or another, the varying relations of imports

to exports, the periods of depression and recovery, and in close

connection with all this the ever-changing conditions of the lives of

countless workmen throughout the world, their well-being or ill-being,

it may be their very life and death, together with the whole fate

of future generations in health, capacity, opportunity, and the

like,--all this complexus of things, so chaotic and unintelligible at

the first view, so full, as we say, of iniquity, injustice, and the

like, falls, as we penetrate further, into one vast and harmonious

system, so inspiring to the imagination, so inevitable to the

understanding, that our objections and cavillings, ethical, æsthetic,

or what you will, simply vanish away at the clearer vision, or, if

they persist, persist as mere irrelevant illusions; while we

abandon ourselves to the contemplation of the whole, as of some

world-symphony, whose dissonances, no less than its concords, are

taken up and resolved in the irresistible march and progress, the

ocean-flooding of the Whole. You will think," he continued, "that I am

absurdly rhapsodical over what, after all, is matter prosaic enough;

but what I wanted to suggest was that it is Reality so conceived that

appeals to me at once as Truth and as Good. This partial vision of

mine in the economic sphere is a kind of type of the way in which

I conceive the Absolute. I conceive Him to be a Being necessary and

therefore perfect; a Being in face of whom our own incoherent and

tentative criticisms, our complaints that this or that should, if only

it could, be otherwise, our regrets, desires, aspirations, and

the like, shew but as so many testimonies to our own essential

imperfection, weaknesses to be surmounted, rather than signs of worth

to stamp us, as we vainly boast, the elect of creation."

He finished; and I half expected that Leslie would intervene, since

I saw, as I thought, many weak points in the position. But he kept

silence, impressed, perhaps, by that idea of the Perfect and Eternal

which has a natural home in the minds of the generous and the young.

So I began myself rather tentatively:

"I think," I said, "I understand the position you wish to indicate;

and so stated, in general terms, no doubt it is attractive. It is when

we endeavour to work it out in detail that the difficulties appear.

The position, as I understand it, is, that, from the point of view of

the Absolute, what we call Evil and what we call Good simply have

no existence. Good and Evil, in our sense, are mere appearances; and

Good, in the absolute sense, is identical with the Absolute or with

God?"

"Yes," he said, "that is my notion."

"And so, for example, to apply the idea in detail, in the region which

you yourself selected, all that we regret, or hate, or fear in our

social system--poverty, disease, starvation and the rest--is not

really evil at all, does not in fact exist, but is merely what appears

to us? There is, in fact, no social evil?"

"No," he replied, "in the sense I have explained there is none."

"Well then," I continued, "how is it with all our social and other

ideals? Our desire to make our own lives and other people's lives

happier? Our efforts to subdue nature, to conquer disease, to

introduce order and harmony where there appears to be discord and

confusion? How is it with those finer and less directly practical

impulses by which you yourself are mainly pre-occupied--the quest

of knowledge or of beauty for their own sake, the mere putting of

ourselves into right relations with the universe, apart from any

attempt to modify it? Are all these desires and activities mere

illusions of ours, or worse than illusions, errors and even vices,

impious misapprehensions of the absolutely Good, frivolous attempts to

adapt the Perfect to our own imperfections?"

"No," he replied, "I would not put it so. Some meaning, I apprehend,

there must be in time and change, and some meaning also in our

efforts, though not, I believe, the meaning which we imagine. The

divine life, as I conceive it, is a process; only a process that

is somehow eternal, circular, so to speak, not rectilinear, much as

Milton appears to imagine it when he describes the blessed spirits

'progressing the dateless and irrevoluble circle of eternity'; and

of this eternal process our activity, which we suppose to be moving

towards an end, is somehow or other an essential element. So that,

in this way, it is necessary and right that we should strive after

ideals; only, when we are thinking philosophically, we ought to make

clear to ourselves that in truth the Ideal is eternally fulfilled, its

fulfilment consisting precisely In that process which we are apt to

regard as a mere means to its realization. This, as Hegel has it, is

the 'cunning' of the Absolute Reason, which deludes us into the

belief that there is a purpose to be attained, and by the help of that

delusion preserves that energy of action which all the time is really

itself the End."

I looked up at him as he finished, to see whether he was quite

serious; and as he appeared to be so, and as Leslie still kept

silence, I took up the argument as follows.

"I understand," I said, "in a sort of way what you mean; but still the

same difficulty recurs which Audubon has already put forward. On

your hypothesis there seems to be an impassable gulf between God's

conception of Good and ours. To God, as it seems, the world is

eternally good; and in its goodness is included that illusion by which

it appears to us so bad, that we are continually employed in trying to

make it better. The maintenance of this illusion is essential to the

nature of the world; to us, evil always must appear. But, as we know

by experience, the evil that _appears_ is just as terrible and just

as hateful as it would be if it really _were_. A toothache, as Audubon

put it, is no less a pain to us because it is a pleasure to God. We

cannot, if we would, adopt His point of view; and clearly it would

be impious to try, since we should be endeavouring to defeat His

ingenious plan to keep the world going by hoodwinking us. We therefore

are chained and bound to the whirling wheel of appearance; to us what

seems good is good, and what seems bad, bad; and your contention that

all existence is somehow eternally good is for us simply irrelevant;

it belongs to the point of view of God to which we have no access."

"Yes," cried Audubon, "and what a God to call God at all! Why not

just as much the devil? What are we to think of the Being who is

responsible for a world of whose economy our evil is not merely

an accident, a mistake, but positively an essential, inseparable

condition!"

"What, indeed!" exclaimed Leslie. "Call Him God, by all means, if you

like, but such a God as Zeus was to Prometheus, omnipotent, indeed,

and able to exact with infallible precision His daily and hourly toll

of blood and tears, but powerless at least to chain the mind He has

created free, or to exact allegiance and homage from spirits greater,

though weaker, than Himself."

This was the sort of talk, I knew, that rather annoyed Dennis. I did

not therefore, for the moment, leave him time to reply, but proceeded

to a somewhat different point:

"Even putting aside," I said, "the moral character of God, as it

appears in your scheme of the universe, must we not perhaps accuse Him

of a slight lapse of intelligence? For, as I understand the matter,

it was essential to the success of the Absolute's plan that we should

never discover the deception that is being played upon us. But, it

seems, we do discover it. Hegel, for example, by your own confession,

has not only detected but exposed it. Well then, what is to be done?

Do you suppose that we could, even if we would, continue to lend

ourselves to the imposition? Must not our aims and purposes cease to

have any interest for us, once we are clear that they are not true

ends? And that which, according to the hypothesis, _is_ the true end,

the 'dateless and irrevoluble circle' of activity, that, surely, we

at least cannot sanction or approve, seeing that it involves and

perpetuates the very misery and pain whose destruction was our only

motive for acting at all. For, whatever may be the case with God, we,

you will surely admit, are forbidden by all that in us is highest and

best, to approve or even to acquiesce in the deliberate perpetuation

of a world of whose existence all that we call evil is an essential

and eternal constituent So that, as I said at first, it looks as if

the Absolute Reason had not been, after all, quite as cunning as

it thought, since it has allowed us to discover and expose the very

imposition it had invented to cheat us into concurrence with its

plans."

Dennis laughed a little at this; and then, "Well," he began, "between

you, with your genial irony, and Audubon and Leslie with their

heaven-defying rhetoric, I scarcely know whether I stand on my head or

my heels. But, the fact is, I think I made a slip in stating my view;

or perhaps there was really a latent contradiction in my mind. At any

rate, what I believe, whether or no I can believe it consistently, is

that it is possible for us, so to speak, to take God's point of

view; so that the evil against which we rebel we may come at last to

acquiesce in, as seen from the higher point of view. And, seriously,

don't you think it is conceivable that that may be, after all, the

true meaning of the discipline of life?"

"I cannot tell," I said, "perhaps it may. But, meantime, allow me to

press home the importance of your admission. For, as you say, there is

at least one of our aims which has a real significance, namely, that

of reaching the point of view of God. But this is something that lies

in the future, something to be brought about. And so, on your own

hypothesis, Good, after all, would not be that which eternally exists,

but something which has to be realized in time--namely, a change of

mind on the part of all rational beings, whereby they view the world

no longer in a partial imperfect way, but, in Spinoza's phrase, '_sub

specie æternitatis_'"

"No," he said, "I cannot admit that that is an end for the Absolute,

though I admit it is an end for us. The Absolute, somehow or other, is

eternally perfect and good; and this eternal perfection and goodness

are unaffected by any change that may take place in our minds."

"Well," I said, "I must leave it to the Absolute and yourself to

settle how that can possibly be. Meantime, I am content with your

admission that, for us, at least, there is an end and a Good lying

before us to be realized in the future. For that, as I understand, you

do admit. In your own life, for example, even if you aim at nothing

else, or at nothing else which you wholly approve, yet you do aim, at

least, with your whole nature at this--to attain a view of the world

as it may be conceived in its essence to be, not merely as it appears

to us."

"Yes," he said, "I admit that is my aim."

"That aim, then, is your Good?"

"I suppose so."

"And it is something, as I said, that lies in the future? For you do

not, I suppose, count yourself to have attained, or at least to have

attained as perfectly as you hope to?"

He agreed again.

"Well then," I continued, "what may be the relation of this Good of

yours, awaiting realization in the future, to that eternal Good of God

in which you also believe, we will reserve, with your permission, for

some future inquiry. It is enough for our present purpose that even

you, who assert the eternal perfection of the world, do nevertheless

at the same time admit a future Good; and much more do other men admit

it, who have no idea that the world is perfect at all. So that we may,

I think, safely suppose it to be generally agreed that the Good is

something to be realized in the future, so far, at any rate as it

concerns us--and, for my part, I have no desire to go farther than

that."

"Well," he said, "I am content for the present to leave the matter so.

But I reserve the right to go back upon the argument."

"Of course!" I replied, "for it is not, I hope, an argument, but a

discussion; and a discussion not for victory but for truth. Meantime,

then, let us take as a hypothesis that Good is something to be brought

about; and let us consider next the other point that Is included in

your position. According to you, as I understand, what requires to be

brought about, if ever Good is to be realized, is not any change in

the actual stuff, so to speak, of the world, in the structure, as it

were, of our experience, but only a change in our attitude towards all

this--a change in the subject, as they say, and not in the object.

Our aim should be not to abolish what we call evil, by successive

modifications of physical and social conditions, but rather, all these

remaining essentially the same, to come to see that what appears to be

evil is not really so."

"Yes," he said, "that is the view I would suggest."

"So that, for example, though we might still experience a toothache,

we should no longer regard it as an evil; and so with all the host

of things we are in the habit of calling bad: they would continue

unchanged 'in themselves,' as you Hegelians say, only to us they would

appear no longer bad, but good?"

"Yes; as I said at first, all reality is good, and all Evil,

so-called, is merely illusion."

I was about to reply when I was forestalled by Bartlett. For some time

past the discussion had been left pretty much to Dennis and myself,

with an occasional incursion from Audubon and Leslie. Ellis had gone

indoors; Parry and Wilson were talking together about something else;

and Bartlett appeared to be still absorbed in the _Chronicle_. I

noticed, however, that for the last few moments he had been getting

restless, and I suspected that he was listening, behind his newspaper,

to what we were saying. I was not therefore altogether surprised when,

upon Dennis' last remark, he suddenly broke into our debate with the

exclamation;

"Would it be' in order' to introduce a concrete example? There is a

curiously apt one here in the _Chronicle_."

And upon our assenting, he read us a long extract about

phosphorus-poisoning, the details of which I now forget, but at any

rate it brought before us, very vividly, a tale of cruel suffering and

oppression.

"Now," he said, as he finished, "is that, may I ask, the kind of thing

that it amuses you to call mere illusion?"

"Yes," replied Dennis stoutly, "that will do very well for an

example."

"Well," he rejoined, "I do not propose to dispute about words; but for

my own part I should have thought that, if anything is real, that

is; and so, I think, you would find it, if you yourself were the

sufferer."

"But," objected Dennis, "do you think that it is in the moment of

suffering that one is most competent to judge about the reality of

pain?"

"Certainly, for it is only in the moment of suffering that one really

knows what it is that one is judging about."

"I am not sure about that. I doubt whether it is true that experience

involves knowledge and _vice versa_. It is, indeed, to my mind,

part of the irony of life, that we know so much which we can never

experience, and experience so much which we can never know."

"I don't follow that," said Bartlett, "but of one thing I am sure,

that you will never get rid of evil by calling it illusion."

"No," Dennis conceded, "you will never of course get rid of it, in the

sense you mean, by that, or indeed, in my opinion, by any other means.

But we were discussing not what we are to do with evil, but how we are

to conceive it."

"But," he objected, "if you begin by conceiving it as illusion, you

will never do anything with it at all."

"Perhaps not, but I am not sure that that is my business."

"At any rate, Dennis," I interposed, "you will, I expect, admit, that

for us, while we live in the region of what you call 'Appearance,'

Evil is at least as pressing and as obvious as Good."

"Yes," he said, "I am ready to admit that."

"And," I continued, "for my part I agree with Bartlett and with

Leslie, that it is Appearance with which we are concerned. What I have

been contending for throughout, is that in the world in which we live

(whether we are to call it Reality or Appearance), Evil and Good are

the really dominating facts; and that we cannot dismiss them from our

consideration either on the ground that we know nothing of them (as

Ellis was inclined to maintain) or on the ground that we know all

about them (as Parry and Wilson seemed to think). On the contrary, it

is, I believe, our main business to find out about them; and that

we can find out about them is with me an article of faith, and so, I

believe, it is with most people, whether or no they are aware of it or

are ready to admit it."

Dennis was preparing to reply, when Ellis reappeared to summon us to

lunch. We followed him in gladly enough, for it was past our usual

hour and we were hungry; and the conversation naturally taking a

lighter turn, I have nothing further to record until we reassembled in

the afternoon.

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