CHAPTER XVII.

Measures for carrying the Second Reading of the Reform Bill in

the House of Lords--The Party of the Waverers--The Russo-Dutch

Loan--Resistance of the Tory Peers--Lord Melbourne's Views on

the Government--Macaulay at Holland House--Reluctance of the

Government to create Peers--Duke of Wellington intractable--

Peel's Despondency--Lord Grey on the Measures of Conciliation--

Lord Wharncliffe sees the King--Prospects of the Waverers--

Conversations with Lord Melbourne and Lord Palmerston--Duke of

Richmond on the Creation of Peers--Interview of Lord Grey with

the Waverers--Minute drawn up--Bethnal Green--The Archbishop of

Canterbury vacillates--Violence of Extreme Parties--Princess

Lieven's Journal--Lord Holland for making Peers--Irish National

Education--Seizure of Ancona--Reform Bill passes the House of

Commons--Lord Dudley's Madness--Debate in the Lords.

January 24th, 1832 {p.237}

Yesterday morning Frederick Lamb came to me and told me that the

question of the Peers was again in agitation, that the King had

agreed to make as many as they pleased, and had understood

Wharncliffe's conversation with his Majesty not to have contained

any distinct assurance that he would vote for the second reading

of the Bill. Our party in the Cabinet still fight the battle,

however, and Stanley (on whom all depends) is said to be firm,

but circumstances may compel them to give way, and Lord Grey (who

is suspected to have in his heart many misgivings as to this

measure), when left to Durham and Co., yields everything. Under

these circumstances I went to Wharncliffe last night, to persuade

him to declare his intentions without loss of time. He owned that

he had not _pledged_ himself to the King, and he was frightened

to death at the idea of taking this step, lest it should give

umbrage to the Tories, and he should find himself without any

support at all. We went, however, together to Grosvenor Square,

and had a long conference with Harrowby, whom I found equally

undecided.

[Page Head: PLANS OF CONCILIATION.]

In the meantime the Tories are full of activity and expectation,

and Lord Aberdeen is going to bring on a motion about Belgium on

Thursday, on which they expect to beat the Government, not

comprehending that a greater evil could not occur, or a better

excuse be afforded them for an immediate creation; still they have

got it into their heads that if they can beat the Government

_before_ the Reform Bill comes on they will force them to resign.

I found Harrowby and Wharncliffe equally undecided as to the

course they should adopt, the former clinging to the hope that the

Peerage question was at last suspended, that Lord Grey was

compunctious, the King reluctant, and so forth--Wharncliffe afraid

of being abandoned by those who are now disposed to consult and

act with him, and indisposed to commit himself irretrievably in

the House of Lords. After a long discussion I succeeded in

persuading them that the danger is imminent, that there is no

other chance of avoiding it, and they agreed to hoist their

standard, get what followers they can, and declare in the House

for the second reading without loss of time. Harrowby said of

himself that he was the worst person in the world to conciliate

and be civil, which is true enough, but he has a high reputation,

and his opinion is of immense value. Until they declare themselves

not a step will be made, and if they cannot gain adherents, why

the matter is at an end; while if their example be followed, there

is still a chance of averting the climax of all evils, the

swamping the House of Lords and the permanent establishment of the

power of the present Government. Wharncliffe is to go to the Duke

of Wellington to-day, to entreat him not to let his party divide

on Aberdeen's motion on Thursday, and Harrowby will go to the

Archbishop to invite his adhesion to their party. I am very

doubtful what success to augur from this, but it is the only

chance, and though the bulk of the Tory Peers are prejudiced,

obstinate, and stupid to the last degree, there are scattered

amongst them men of more rational views and more moderate

dispositions. Sandon came in while we were there, and expressed

precisely the same opinion that I had been endeavouring to enforce

upon them. He said that in the House of Commons, whence he was

just come, the Government had refused to give way upon a very

reasonable objection, without assigning any reason (the numbers in

Schedule B), that this evinced an unconciliatory spirit, which was

very distressing to those who wished for a compromise, that

Hobhouse came to him after the debate, and said how anxious he was

they should come to some understanding, and act in a greater

spirit of conciliation, and talked of a meeting of the moderate on

either side, that his constituents were eager for a settlement,

and by no means averse to concession, but that while Peel, Croker,

and others persisted in the tone they had adopted, and in the sort

of opposition they were pursuing, it was quite impossible for the

Government to give way upon anything, or evince any disposition to

make concessions. Sandon said he had no doubt whatever that if

Peel had assumed a different tone at the beginning of the session

the Government would have been more moderate, and mutual

concessions might have been feasible even in the House of Commons.

Hobhouse, however, said that the alterations, whatever they might

be (and he owned that he should like some), would come with a

better grace in the House of Lords, and this is what I have all

along thought. O'Connell arrived yesterday, took his seat, and

announced his intention of supporting Government at any rate. All

the Irish members do the same, and this great body, that everyone

expected would display hostility to the Bill, have formed

themselves into a phalanx, and will carry it through any

difficulties by their compactness and the regularity of their

attendance.

January 25th, 1832 {p.239}

We met at Lord Harrowby's last night--Wharncliffe, Harrowby,

Haddington, and Sandon--and I found their minds were quite made

up. Wharncliffe is to present a petition from Hull, and to take

that opportunity of making his declaration, and the other two are

to support him. Wharncliffe saw the Bishop of London in the

morning, who is decided the same way, and he asked Lord Devon,

who knows the House of Lords very well, if he thought, in the

event of their raising the standard of moderate Reform, that they

would have adherents, to which he replied he was convinced they

would. Lord Harrowby saw the Archbishop, who would not pledge

himself, but appeared well disposed; and altogether they think

they can count upon nine bishops. Wharncliffe spoke to the Duke

of Wellington about Lord Aberdeen's motion, and represented all

the impolicy of it at this moment, and the connection it might

have with the Peerage question; to which he only replied by

enlarging on 'the importance of the Belgic question,' either

unable or unwilling to embrace this measure in its complex

relations, and never perceiving that the country cares not a

straw about Belgium or anything but Reform, though they may begin

to care about such things when this question is settled.

Haddington also went to Aberdeen, who would hear nothing; but he

and the Duke severally promised to speak to one another. The

question last night was whether Wharncliffe should say his say

directly, or wait (as he wishes to do) for a few days. The

decision of this he referred to me, and I have referred it to

Melbourne, to whom I have communicated what has passed.

News came yesterday that the cholera had got within three miles

of Edinburgh, and to show the fallacy of any theory about it, and

the inutility of the prescribed precautions, at one place

(Newport, I think) one person in five of the whole population was

attacked, though there was no lack of diet, warmth, and clothing

for the poor. This disease escapes from all speculation, so

partial and eccentric is its character.

January 29th, 1832 {p.240}

[Page Head: DISCREDIT OF MINISTERS.]

There were two divisions on Thursday night last--in the House of

Lords on the Belgian question, and in the House of Commons on the

Russian Loan. Harrowby, Wharncliffe, and Haddington stayed away;

Lyndhurst voted. Only two bishops, Durham and Killaloe. Ministers

had a majority of thirty-seven, for Aberdeen and the Duke

persisted in bringing on the question and dividing upon it. The

former spoke nearly three hours, and far better than ever he had

done before; the Duke was prosy. In the other House the

Government had not a shadow of a case; their law officers, Home

and Denman, displayed an ignorance and stupidity which were quite

ludicrous, and nothing saved them from defeat but a good speech

at the end from Palmerston, and their remonstrances to their

friends that unless they carried it they must resign. Not a soul

defends them, and they are particularly blamed for their folly in

not coming to Parliament at once, by which they might have

avoided the scrape.[1] They had only a majority of twenty-four.

They were equally disgusted with both these divisions, both

plainly showing that they have little power (independently of the

Reform question) in either House. To be sure the case in the

House of Commons was a wretched one, but in the House of Lords

there was nothing to justify a vote of censure on Government, to

which Aberdeen's motion was tantamount. But while they had a

majority which was respectable enough to make it impossible to

propose making Peers on _that account_, it was so small that they

see clearly what they have to expect hereafter from such a House

of Lords, and accordingly their adherents have thrown off the

mask. Sefton called on me the day after, and said it was

ridiculous to go on in this way, that the Tories had had

possession of the Government so many years, and the power of

making so many Peers, that no Whig or other Ministry could stand

without a fresh creation to redress the balance.

[1] [For a more particular account of the question of the

Russo-Dutch Loan, see _infra_ [February 4, 1832], p.

244. It has since been universally admitted that the

conduct of the Government was wise and honourable, and

that the separation of Holland and Belgium did not

exonerate Great Britain from a financial engagement to

foreign Powers.]

After having, as I supposed, settled everything with Wharncliffe

about his declaration, I got a letter from him yesterday (from

Brighton), saying he thought it would be premature, and wished to

put it off till the first reading of the Bill in the House of

Lords. I took his letter to Melbourne, and told him I was all

against the delay. He said it was no doubt desirable they should

get as many adherents as they can, and if the delay would enable

them to do so it might be better, but they must not imagine

Government was satisfied with the division in the House of Lords.

However, the question of Peers seems not to be under discussion

at this moment, though it is perpetually revived. In the evening

I went to Harrowby's and showed him Wharncliffe's letter. He

concurred in the expediency of delay, but without convincing me.

He showed me a letter, and a very good one, he has written to

Lord Talbot, explaining his views, and inviting his concurrence,

and of this he has sent copies to other Peers, whom he thinks it

possible he may influence. The question of time and manner is to

be reserved for future discussion.

February 2nd, 1832 {p.242}

[Page Head: SIR HENRY PARNELL.]

Met Frederick Lamb at dinner to talk over the state of affairs

before he goes to Vienna. What he wishes for is the expulsion of

this Government, and the formation of a moderate one taken from

all parties. Received another letter from Wharncliffe yesterday,

in which he stated that he had communicated to the Duke of

Wellington his intention of supporting the second reading, and

asked if the Duke would support his amendments in Committee. In

the meantime I wrote to Harrowby, begging he would communicate

with Lord Carnarvon and the Duke of Buckingham. They keep

doubting and fearing about who will or will not join them, but do

not stir a step. George Bentinck told me that Lord Holland said

to the Duke of Richmond the other day 'that he had heard a

declaration was in agitation; that nothing could be more

unfortunate at this moment, as it would make it very difficult to

create fifty Peers.' In the meantime a difficulty is likely to

arise from another source, and the Government to derive strength

from their very weakness. Robert Clive (who is a moderate Tory)

called on me the other day, and when (after expressing his

anxiety that the question should be settled) I asked him whether

such a declaration would meet with much success, said he thought

that it would have done so a fortnight ago, but that the extreme

discredit into which Ministers were fallen would now operate as a

reason against supporting them in any stage of the business, and

offered so good a chance of expelling them altogether that people

would be anxious to try it. Still it must be so obvious that it

would be next to impossible to make a Government now, that it is

to be hoped all but the most violent will feel it. Herries indeed

told somebody that he had no doubt the Tories could make a

Government, and that on a dissolution they would get a Parliament

that would support them. Parnell[2] has been turned out for not

voting on the Russian Loan affair, and Hobhouse appointed in his

place. Tennyson resigned from ill health. Parnell was properly

enough turned out, and he is a good riddance, but it is not the

same thing as turning people out on Reform. He wrote an excellent

book on finance, but he was a very bad Secretary at War, a rash

economical innovator, and a bad man of business in its details.

After waiting till the last moment for the arrival of the Russian

ratification, the French and English signed the Belgian treaty

alone, and the others are to sign after as their powers arrive.

[2] [Sir Henry Parnell had been appointed Secretary at War

on the formation of Lord Grey's Ministry. He had

exasperated his colleagues by entering upon an

unauthorised negotiation with the French Post Office,

without the knowledge of the Duke of Richmond, then

Postmaster-General, and by encouraging Joseph Hume to

bring on a motion against the Post Office. Hume brought

this letter to the Duke of Richmond, who was indignant

and laid the whole matter before Lord Grey, who behaved

very well about it. Parnell narrowly escaped dismissal

at that time, and on his next sign of disaffection to

the Government he was turned out of office.]

February 4th, 1832 {p.243}

Called on Lord Harrowby in the morning; found him in very bad

spirits, as well he might, for to all the invitations he had

written to Peers he had received either refusals or no reply, so

that he augurs ill of their attempt. Carnarvon and Talbot refused;

these besotted, predestinated Tories _will_ follow the Duke; the

Duke _will_ oppose all Reform because he said he would. Those who

are inclined will not avow their conversion to moderate

principles, and so they will go on, waiting and staring at one

another, till one fine day the Peers will come out in the

'Gazette.' The thing looks ill. Dined with Lord Holland.

Melbourne, who was there, asked me if I had heard from Wharncliffe,

but I did not tell him of Lord Harrowby's refusals.

Falck dined there, and in conversation about the Russian Loan he

told us the original history of it. The Emperor of Russia had

borrowed ninety millions of florins, and when his concurrence and

support were desired to the new kingdom of the Netherlands he

proposed in return that the King of Holland should take this debt

off his hands. The King said he would gladly meet his wishes, but

could not begin by making himself unpopular with his new subjects

and saddling them with this debt. Whereupon England interposed,

and an arrangement was made [in 1815] by which Russia, England,

and the King of the Netherlands divided the debt into three equal

shares, each taking one. With reference to the argument that the

countries being divided we ought no longer to pay our share,

Falck said the King of the Netherlands had not refused to pay on

those grounds, that he had only (with reference to his heavy

expenses) expressed his present inability and asked for time,

which the Emperor of Russia had agreed to. What he meant was that

the kingdoms were not as yet _de jure_ separated, and that the

_casus_ had not yet arrived. This, however, is nothing to the

purpose, for the King and the Emperor understand one another very

well, and it is not likely that the King should do anything to

supply us with a motive or a pretext for refusing our _quota_ to

his imperial ally. Brougham's speech on the Russian Loan

everybody agrees to have been super-excellent--'a continued

syllogism from the beginning to the end.' Lord Holland said, and

the Duke of Wellington (I am told) declared, it was the best

speech he had ever heard.

February 5th, 1832 {p.245}

Met Melbourne yesterday evening, and turned back and walked with

him; talked over the state of affairs. He said Government were

very much annoyed at their division in the House of Commons,

though Brougham had in some measure repaired that disaster in the

House of Lords; that it became more difficult to resist making

Peers as Government exhibited greater weakness. I told him the

Tories were so unmanageable because they wished to drive out the

Government, and thought they could. Dined at the Sheriff's

dinner--not unpleasant--and went in the evening to Lady Harrowby;

Lord Harrowby gone to his brothers'. Melbourne had told me that

he had spoken to Haddington, and I found Haddington had given a

report of what he said such as I am sure Melbourne did not mean

to convey; the upshot of which was that there was only one man in

the Cabinet who wished to make Peers, that there was no immediate

danger, and that it would do more harm than good if they declared

themselves without a good number of adherents. Called this

morning on Lady C., who said that Melbourne was in fact very much

annoyed at his position, wanted _caractere_, was wretched at

having been led so far, and tossed backwards and forwards between

opposite sentiments and feelings; that he thought the Government

very weak, and that they would not stand, and in fact that he did

not desire they should remain in, but the contrary. And this is

Frederick's opinion too, who has great influence over him, while

at the same time he is rather jealous of Frederick.

February 6th, 1832 {p.245}

[Page Head: MACAULAY AT HOLLAND HOUSE.]

Dined yesterday with Lord Holland; came very late, and found a

vacant place between Sir George Robinson and a common-looking man

in black. As soon as I had time to look at my neighbour, I began

to speculate (as one usually does) as to who he might be, and as

he did not for some time open his lips except to eat, I settled

that he was some obscure man of letters or of medicine, perhaps a

cholera doctor. In a short time the conversation turned upon early

and late education, and Lord Holland said he had always remarked

that self-educated men were peculiarly conceited and arrogant, and

apt to look down upon the generality of mankind, from their being

ignorant of how much other people knew; not having been at public

schools, they are uninformed of the course of general education.

My neighbour observed that he thought the most remarkable example

of self-education was that of Alfieri, who had reached the age of

thirty without having acquired any accomplishment save that of

driving, and who was so ignorant of his own language that he had

to learn it like a child, beginning with elementary books. Lord

Holland quoted Julius Caesar and Scaliger as examples of late

education, said that the latter had been wounded, and that he had

been married and commenced learning Greek the same day, when my

neighbour remarked 'that he supposed his learning Greek was not an

instantaneous act like his marriage.' This remark, and the manner

of it, gave me the notion that he was a dull fellow, for it came

out in a way which bordered on the ridiculous, so as to excite

something like a sneer. I was a little surprised to hear him

continue the thread of conversation (from Scaliger's wound) and

talk of Loyola having been wounded at Pampeluna. I wondered how he

happened to know anything about Loyola's wound. Having thus

settled my opinion, I went on eating my dinner, when Auckland, who

was sitting opposite to me, addressed my neighbour, 'Mr. Macaulay,

will you drink a glass of wine?' I thought I should have dropped

off my chair. It was MACAULAY, the man I had been so long most

curious to see and to hear, whose genius, eloquence, astonishing

knowledge, and diversified talents have excited my wonder and

admiration for such a length of time, and here I had been sitting

next to him, hearing him talk, and setting him down for a dull

fellow. I felt as if he could have read my thoughts, and the

perspiration burst from every pore of my face, and yet it was

impossible not to be amused at the idea. It was not till Macaulay

stood up that I was aware of all the vulgarity and ungainliness of

his appearance; not a ray of intellect beams from his countenance;

a lump of more ordinary clay never enclosed a powerful mind and

lively imagination. He had a cold and sore throat, the latter of

which occasioned a constant contraction of the muscles of the

thorax, making him appear as if in momentary danger of a fit. His

manner struck me as not pleasing, but it was not assuming,

unembarrassed, yet not easy, unpolished, yet not coarse; there was

no kind of usurpation of the conversation, no tenacity as to

opinion or facts, no assumption of superiority, but the variety

and extent of his information were soon apparent, for whatever

subject was touched upon he evinced the utmost familiarity with

it; quotation, illustration, anecdote, seemed ready in his hands

for every topic. Primogeniture in this country, in others, and

particularly in ancient Rome, was the principal topic, I think,

but Macaulay was not certain what was the law of Rome, except that

when a man died intestate his estate was divided between his

children. After dinner Talleyrand, and Madame de Dino came in. He

was introduced to Talleyrand, who told him that he meant to go to

the House of Commons on Tuesday, and that he hoped he would speak,

'qu'il avait entendu tous les grands orateurs, et il desirait a

present entendre Monsieur Macaulay.'

February 7th, 1832 {p.247}

[Page Head: RELUCTANCE TO MAKE PEERS.]

Called on Melbourne. He said he had not meant Haddington to

understand that it was desirable the declaration should be

delayed; on the contrary, that it was desirable Ministers should

be informed as speedily as possible of the intentions of our

friends and of the force they can command, but that if only a few

declared themselves, they would certainly be liable to the

suspicion that they could not get adherents; he added that every

man in the Government (except one) was aware of the desperate

nature of the step they were about to take (that man of course

being Durham.) I told him that his communication to Haddington

had to a certain degree had the effect of paralysing my

exertions, and he owned it was imprudent. I was, however,

extremely surprised to hear what he said about the Cabinet, and I

asked him if it really was so, and that all the members of it

were _bona fide_ alarmed at, and averse to, the measure; that I

had always believed that, with the exception of those who were

intimate with him, they all wanted the pretext in order to

establish their power. He said no, they really all were conscious

of the violence of the measure, and desirous of avoiding it; that

Lord Grey had been so from the beginning, but that Durham was

always at him, and made him fall into his violent designs; that

it was 'a reign of terror,' but that Durham could do with him

what he pleased. What a picture of secret degradation and

imbecility in the towering and apparently haughty Lord Grey! I

told Melbourne that it was important to gain time, that there was

an appearance of a thaw among the 199, but that most of them were

in the country; communications by letter were difficult and

unsatisfactory; that many were averse to breaking up the party or

leaving the Duke--in short, from one cause or another doubtful

and wavering; that it was not to be expected they should at a

moment's warning take this new line, in opposition to the

opinions and conduct of their old leaders, and that when Lord

Harrowby was exerting himself indefatigably to bring them to

reason, and to render a measure unnecessary which in the opinion

of the Cabinet itself was fraught with evil, it was fair and just

to give him time to operate. He said this was very true, but that

time was likewise required to execute the measure of a creation

of Peers, that people must be invited, the patents made out, &c.

We then parted. Downstairs was Rothschild the Jew waiting for

him, and the _valet de chambre_ sweeping away a _bonnet_ and a

_shawl_.

On my way from Melbourne called on Lord Harrowby, and read a

variety of letters--answers from different Peers to his letters,

Wharncliffe's correspondence with the Duke of Wellington, and

Peel's answer to Lord Harrowby. Wharncliffe wrote a long and very

conciliatory letter to the Duke, nearly to the effect of Lord

Harrowby's circular, and containing the same arguments, to which

the Duke replied by a long letter, written evidently in a very

ill humour, and such a galimatias as I never read, angry, ill

expressed, and confused, and from which it was difficult to

extract anything intelligible but this, 'that he was aware of the

consequences of the course he should adopt himself,' and wished

the House of Lords to adopt, viz., the same as last year, but

that be those consequences what they might, the responsibility

would not lie on his shoulders, but on those of the Government;

he acknowledged that a creation of Peers would swamp the House of

Lords, and, by so doing, destroy the Constitution, but the

Government would be responsible, not he, for the ruin that would

ensue; that he was aware some Reform was necessary (in so far

departing from his former declaration of the 30th of November),

but he would neither propose anything himself, nor take this

measure, nor try and amend it.' In short, he will do nothing but

talk nonsense, despair, and be obstinate, and then he is hampered

by declarations (from which he now sees himself that he must

dissent), and obliged from causes connected with the Catholic

question and the Test and Corporation Acts to attend more to the

consistency of his own character than to the exigencies of the

country, but with much more personal authority than anybody, and

still blindly obeyed and followed by men many of whom take very

rational and dispassionate views of the subject, but who still

are resolved to sacrifice their own sense to his folly. He really

has accomplished being a prophet in his own country, not from the

sagacity of his predictions, but from the blind worship of his

devotees.

[Page Head: PEEL'S DESPONDENCY.]

Peel's letter, though arriving at the same conclusion, was in a

very different style. It certainly was an able production, well

expressed and plausibly argued, with temper and moderation. He

owned that much was to be said on the side of the question which

he does not espouse, but the reasons by which he says he is

mainly governed are these: that it is of vital importance to

preserve the consistency of the party to which we are to look for

future safety, and that when this excitement has passed away the

conduct of the anti-Reformers will have justice done to it. But

there is a contradiction which pervades his argument, for he

treats the subject as if all hope had vanished of saving the

country, 'desperat de republica,' and he does not promise himself

present advantage from the firmness and consistency of the

Tories, but taking it in connection with the folly and wickedness

of the other party (who he is persuaded bitterly regret their own

precipitate violence and folly), he expects it to prove

serviceable as an example and beacon to future generations. All

the evils that have been predicted may flow from this measure

when carried into complete operation, but it is neither

statesmanlike nor manly to throw up the game in despair, and

surrender every point, and waive every compensation, in order to

preserve the consistency of himself and his own party, not that

their consistency is to produce any advantage, but that hereafter

it

May point a moral or adorn a tale.

So senseless is this, that it is clear to me that it is not his

real feeling, and that he promises himself some personal

advantage from the adoption of such a course. Peel 'loves'

himself, 'not wisely but too well.'

February 9th, 1832 {p.249}

[Page Head: CONVERSATION WITH LORD GREY.]

Yesterday I met Lord Grey and rode with him. I told him that the

Tories were pleased at his speech about the Irish Tithes. He said

'he did not know why, for he had not said what he did with a view

to please them.' I said because they looked upon it as an

intimation that the old Protestant ascendency was to be restored.

He rejected very indignantly that idea, and said he had never

contemplated any ascendency but that of the law and the

Government. I said I knew that, but that they had been so long

used to consider themselves as the sole representatives of the

law and the Government, that they took the assertion he had made

as a notification that their authority was again to be exercised

as in bygone times. He then asked me if I knew what Lord Harrowby

had done, said he had spoken to him, that he was placed in a

difficult position and did not know what to do. I said that

Harrowby was exerting himself, that time was required to bring

people round, that I had reason to believe Harrowby had made a

great impression, but that most of the Peers of that party were

out of town, and it was impossible to expect them on the receipt

of a letter of invitation and advice to reply by return of post

that they would abandon their leaders and their party, and change

their whole opinions and course of action, that I expected the

Archbishop and Bishop of London would go with him, and that they

would carry the bench. He said the Bishop of London he had

already talked to, that the Archbishop was such a poor, miserable

creature that there was no dependence to be placed on him, that

he would be frightened and vote any way his fear directed. Then

he asked, how many had they _sure_? I said, 'At this moment not

above eight Lords and eight bishops.' He said that was not

enough. I said I knew that, but he must have patience, and should

remember that when the Duke of Wellington brought the Catholic

Bill into the House of Commons he had a majority on paper against

him in the House of Lords of twenty-five, and he carried the Bill

by a hundred. He said he should like to talk to Harrowby again,

which I pressed him to do, and he said he would. I find Lord John

Russell sent for Sandon, and told him that he and the others were

really anxious to avoid making Peers, and entreated him to get

something done by his father and his associates as soon as

possible, that there was no time to be lost, that he should not

deny that he wished Peers to be made, not now, but after the

Reform Bill had passed. I called on Lord Harrowby in the

afternoon, and found him half dead with a headache and dreadfully

irritable. Letters had come (which he had not seen) from Lord

Bagot refusing, Lord Carteret ditto, and very impertinently, and

Lord Calthorpe adhering. I told him what had passed between Lord

Grey and me. He said their insolence had been hitherto so great

in refusing to listen to any terms (at the meeting of the six),

and in refusing every concession in the House of Commons and not

tolerating the slightest alteration, that he despaired of doing

anything with them, that Lord Grey had told him he could not

agree to make a sham resistance in Committee, but that he on the

other hand would not agree to go into Committee, except on an

express understanding that they should not avail themselves of

the probable disunion of the Tories to carry all the details of

their Bill. The difficulties are immense, but if Grey and

Harrowby get together, it is possible something may be done,

provided they will approach each other in a _spirit_ of

compromise. It is certainly easier now, and very different from

the House of Commons, where I have always thought they _could_

make no concession. In the House of Lords they may without

difficulty. I dread the obstinate of both parties.

February 11th, 1832 {p.251}

Wharncliffe came to town on Thursday and called on me. At Brighton

he had seen Sir Andrew Barnard, and showed him the correspondence

with the Duke of Wellington, telling him at the same time he might

mention it to Taylor if he liked, and if Taylor had any wish to

see it he should. Accordingly Taylor sent him word he should be

glad to have an interview with him. They met at Lord Wharncliffe's

house and had a long conversation, in the course of which Taylor

gave him to understand that it was quite true that the King had

consented to everything about the creation of Peers, but _multa

gemens_, and that he was much alarmed, and could not endure the

thought of this measure. The end was that a memorandum was drawn

up of the conversation, and of Wharncliffe's sentiments and

intentions, which were much the same as those he had put forth at

the time of the old negotiations. This was taken away by Taylor

and shown to the King, and copies of it were forwarded to Grey,

Brougham, and Melbourne. The next day Wharncliffe dined with the

King, and after dinner his Majesty took him aside and said, 'I

have seen your paper, and I agree with every word you say; we are

indeed in a scrape, and we must get out of it as we can. I only

wish everybody was as reasonable and as moderate as you, and then

we might do so perhaps without difficulty.' That the King is

alarmed is pretty clear, but it is more probable that his alarm

may influence his Ministers than himself, and it looks very much

as if it had done so. Sir H. Taylor likewise told Wharncliffe that

the Duke of Wellington had written a letter which had been laid

before the King, and had given him great offence, and that it

certainly was such a letter as was unbecoming in any subject to

write. This letter is supposed to have been addressed to

Strangford; it got into Londonderry's hands, and he laid it before

the King (upon the occasion of his going with some address to

Brighton), who desired it might be left with him till the next

day. The reason why they think it was Strangford is that the word

'Viscount' was apparent at the bottom, but the name was erased. In

the meantime Harrowby has had some conversation with Lord

Lansdowne, who pressed the necessity of making a demonstration of

their strength, and added that if the Archbishop could be induced

to declare himself that would be sufficient. Lord Harrowby is

accordingly working incessantly upon the Archbishop on the one

hand, while he exhorts to patience and reliance on the other.

Yesterday he took a high tone with Lord Lansdowne, told him that

he had, as he firmly believed, as many as twenty-five Lords, lay

and spiritual, with him, which would make a difference of fifty,

but that as to a public irrevocable pledge, it was not to be had,

and that Lord Grey must place confidence in his belief and

reliance upon his exertions, or, if not, he must take his own

course. Upon Lord Grey's meeting with him, and the Archbishop's

being brought to the post, the matter now hinges.

[Page Head: WELLINGTON AND WHARNCLIFFE.]

In the meantime I have discovered the cause of the Duke of

Wellington's peevish reply to Wharncliffe, and the reason why Lord

Harrowby's letter to Lord Bagot was unanswered for ten days, and

then couched in terms so different from what might have been

expected. Lord Howe was at Bliffield at the time, and they,

between them, sent Harrowby's letter up to the Duke of Wellington,

who of course wrote his sentiments in reply. For this they waited,

and on this Lord Bagot acted. My brother told me yesterday that

the Duke had seen the letter, and that _Lord Howe_ had been the

person who sent it him. This explains it all. Wharncliffe's letter

was but another version of Lord Harrowby's, and he had therefore

in fact seen it before, but seen it addressed to those whom he

considered bound to him and his views, and I have no doubt he was

both angry and jealous at Lord Harrowby's interference. Nothing

could be more uncandid and unjustifiable than Lord Bagot's

conduct, for he never asked Lord Harrowby's leave to communicate

the letter, nor told him that he had done so; on the contrary, he

gave him to understand that the delay (for which he made many

apologies) was owing to his reflection and his consulting his

brother the bishop. The Duke, no doubt, gave him his own

sentiments; yet, in his letter to Wharncliffe, he says 'he has not

endeavoured to influence anybody, nor shall he;' and at the same

time eludes the essential question 'whether he will support in

Committee.' So much for Tory candour. As to the Duke, he is

evidently piqued and provoked to the quick; his love of power and

authority are as great as ever, and he can't endure to see anybody

withdrawn from his influence; provoked with himself and with

everybody else, his mind is clouded by passion and prejudice, and

the consequences are the ill-humour he displays and the abominable

nonsense he writes, and yet the great mass of these Tories follow

the Duke, go where he will, let the consequences be what they may,

and without requiring even a reason; _sic vult sic jubet_ is

enough for them. One thing that gives me hopes is the change in

the language of the friends of Government out of doors--Dover, for

instance, who has been one of the noisiest of the bawlers for

Peers. I walked with him from the House of Lords the night before

last, and he talked only of the break-up of the 199, and of the

activity of Harrowby and Wharncliffe and its probable effects.

February 14th, 1832 {p.254}

On Saturday evening I found Melbourne at the Home Office in his

lazy, listening, silent humour, disposed to hear everything and to

say very little; told me that Dover and Sefton were continually

_at_ the Chancellor to make Peers, and that they both, particularly

the latter, had great influence with him. Brougham led by Dover

and Sefton!! I tried to impress upon him the necessity of giving

Harrowby credit, and not exacting what was not to be had, viz.,

the _pledges_ of the anti-Reformers to vote for the second

reading. He owned that in their case he would not pledge himself

either. I put before him as strongly as I could all the various

arguments for resisting this desperate measure of making Peers (to

which he was well inclined to assent), and pressed upon him the

importance of not exasperating the Tories and the Conservative

party to the last degree, and placing such an impassable barrier

between public men on both sides as should make it impossible for

them to reunite for their common interest and security hereafter.

[Page Head: CONVERSATION WITH LORD PALMERSTON.]

In the evening I got a message from Palmerston to beg I would

call on him, which I did at the Foreign Office yesterday. He is

infinitely more alert than Melbourne, and more satisfactory to

talk to, because he enters with more warmth and more detail into

the subject. He began by referring to the list of Peers likely to

vote for the second reading, which I showed to him. At the same

time I told him that though he might make use of the information

generally as far as expressing his own belief that Lord Harrowby

would have a sufficient following, he must not produce the list

or quote the names, for, in fact, not one of them had given any

authority to be so counted; that he must be aware there were

persons who would be glad to mar our projects, and they could not

more effectually do so than by conveying to these Peers the use

that had been made of their names. To all this he agreed

entirely. He then talked of the expediency of a declaration from

Lord Harrowby, and how desirable it was that it should be made

soon, and be supported by as many as could be induced to come

forward; that Lord Grey had said to him very lately that he

really believed he should be obliged to create Peers. I said that

my persuasion was that it would be quite unnecessary to do so _to

carry the second reading_; that nothing was required but

confidence in Lord Harrowby, and that his character and his

conduct on this occasion entitled him to expect it from them;

that if they were sincere in their desire to avoid this measure

they would trust to his exertions; that I knew very well the

efforts that were made to force this measure on Lord Grey; that

it was in furtherance of this that Duncombe's[3] ridiculous

affair in the House of Commons had been got up, which had been

such a complete failure; but that I could not believe Lord Grey

would suffer himself to be bullied into it by such despicable

means, and by the clamour of such men as Duncombe and O'Connell,

urged on by friends of his own. He said this was very true, but

the fact was they could not risk the rejection of the Bill again;

that he knew from a variety of communications that an explosion

would inevitably follow its being thrown out on the second

reading; that he had had letters from Scotland and other places,

and had no doubt that such would be the case. I said that he

would find it very difficult to persuade our friends of this, and

it appeared to me as clear as possible that the feeling for the

Bill and the excitement had subsided; that they might be to a

certain degree renewed by its rejection, but no man could doubt

that modifications in it, which would have been impossible a few

months ago, would now be easy; that if it was not for that

unfortunate declaration of Lord Grey, by which he might consider

himself bound, he might safely consent to such changes as would

make the adjustment of the question no difficult matter; that

with regard to the rejection of the Bill, whatever excitement it

might produce, it was evident the Government had an immediate

remedy; they had only to prorogue Parliament for a week and

make their Peers, and they would _then_ have an excellent

pretext--indeed, so good a one that it was inconceivable to me

that they should hesitate for a moment in adopting that course.

This he did not deny. I then told him of the several

conversations between Lord Harrowby and Lords Grey and Lansdowne,

and mine with Lord Grey; that Lord Harrowby protested against

Lord Grey's availing himself of any disunion among the Opposition

(produced by his support of the second reading) to carry those

points, to resist which would be the sole object of Lord Harrowby

in seceding from his party; and that Lord Grey had said he could

not make a sham resistance. Palmerston said, 'We have brought in

a Bill which we have made as good as we can; it is for you to

propose any alterations you wish to make in it, and if you can

beat us, well and good. There are indeed certain things which, if

carried against us, would be so fatal to the principle of the

Bill that Lord Grey would not consider it worth carrying if so

amended; but on other details he is ready to submit, if they

should be carried against him.' I said that would not do, that I

must refer him to the early negotiations and the disposition

which was then expressed to act upon a principle of mutual

concession; that when Lord Harrowby and his friends were

prepared to concede to its fullest extent the principle of

disfranchisement (though they might propose alterations in a few

particulars), they had a right to expect that the Government

should surrender without fighting some of those equivalents or

compensations which they should look for in the alterations or

additions they might propose. He said that 'while Lord Harrowby

was afraid that Ministers might avail themselves of his weakness

to carry their details, _they_ were afraid lest Lord Harrowby and

his friends should unite with the

ultra-Tories to beat them in Committee on some of the essential

clauses of the Bill.' I replied, then it was fear for fear, and

under the circumstances the best thing was an understanding that

each party should act towards the other in a spirit of good

faith, and without taking any accidental advantage that might

accrue either way. We then discussed the possibility of an

agreement upon the details, and he enquired what they would

require. I told him that they would require an alteration of

Schedule B to exclude the town voters from county representation,

perhaps to vary the franchise, and some other things, with regard

to which I could not speak positively at the moment. He said he

thought some alteration might be made in Schedule B, particularly

in giving all the towns double members, by cutting off the lower

ones that had one; that it was intended no man should have a vote

for town and county on the _same_ qualification, and he believed

there were very few who would possess the double right. That I

said would make it more easy to give up, and it was a thing the

others laid great stress upon. He seemed to think it might be

done. As to the L10, he said he had at first been disposed to

consider it too low, but he had changed his mind, and now doubted

if it would not turn out to be too high. We then talked of the

metropolitan members, to which I said undoubtedly they wished to

strike them off, but they knew very well the Government desired

it equally. We agreed that I should get from Lord Harrowby

specifically what he would require, and he would give me in

return what concessions the Government would probably be disposed

to make; that these should be communicated merely as the private

opinions of individuals, and not as formal proposals; and we

should try and blend them together into some feasible compromise.

[3] Duncombe brought forward a petition from six men at

Barnet complaining that they had been entrapped into

signing Lord Verulam's and Lord Salisbury's address to

the King. The object was to produce a discussion about

the Peers. It totally failed, but it was got up with an

openness that was indecent by Durham and that crew, who

were all (Durham, Sefton, Mulgrave, Dover) under the

gallery to hear it. The thing was ridiculed by Peel,

fell flat upon the House, and excited disgust and

contempt out of it.

I afterwards saw the Duke of Richmond, who said that Dover and

Sefton had both attacked him for being against making Peers, and

he should like to know how they knew it. I told him, from the

Chancellor, to be sure, and added how they were always working at

him and the influence they had with him. He said the Chancellor's

being for making Peers was not enough to carry the question; that

if it was done it must be by a minute of the Cabinet, with the

names of the dissentients appended to it; and then the King must

determine; that if the dissentients seceded upon it it would be

impossible. He recollected, when there was a question of making

Peers on the Catholic question by the Duke of Wellington, that he

and some others had resolved, should it have been done, to avail

themselves of the power of the House to come down day after day

and move adjournments before any of the new Peers could take

their seats; that the same course might be adopted now, though it

would produce a revolution. I told him that I had little doubt

there were men who would not scruple to adopt any course, however

violent, that the power of Parliament would admit of; that there

were several who were of opinion that the creation of Peers would

at once lay the Constitution prostrate and bring about a

revolution; that they considered it would be not a remote and

uncertain, but a sure and proximate event, and if by accelerating

it they could crush their opponents they would do so without

hesitation.

In the meantime the cholera has made its appearance in London, at

Rotherhithe, Limehouse, and in a ship off Greenwich--in all seven

cases. These are amongst the lowest and most wretched classes,

chiefly Irish, and a more lamentable exhibition of human misery

than that given by the medical men who called at the Council

Office yesterday I never heard. They are in the most abject state

of poverty, without beds to lie upon. The men live by casual

labour, are employed by the hour, and often get no more than four

or five hours' employment in the course of the week. They are

huddled and crowded together by families in the same room, not as

permanent lodgers, but procuring a temporary shelter; in short, in

the most abject state of physical privation and moral degradation

that can be imagined. On Saturday we had an account of one or more

cases. We sent instantly down to inspect the district and organise

a Board of Health. A meeting was convened, and promises given that

all things needful should be done, but as they met at a

public-house they all got drunk and did nothing. We have sent down

members of the Board of Health, to make preparations and organise

boards; but, if the disease really spreads, no human power can

arrest its progress through such an Augean stable.

February 14th, 1832 {p.259}

[Page Head: INTERVIEW OF LORD HARROWBY AND LORD GREY.]

Dined with Lord Harrowby, and communicated conversation with

Palmerston and Melbourne. He has not been able to decide the

Archbishop, who is on and off, and can't make up his mind. Lord

Harrowby is going to Lord Grey to talk with him. The Tories

obstinate as mules. The Duke of Buccleuch, who had got Harrowby's

letter, and copied it himself that he might know it by heart, has

made up his mind to vote the other way, as he did before; Lord

Wallace (after a long correspondence) the same. There can be

little doubt that they animate one another, and their cry is 'to

stick to the Duke of Wellington.' The cholera is established, and

yesterday formal communications were made to the Lord Mayor and

to the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs that London was no

longer healthy.

February 17th, 1832 {p.259}

Wharncliffe came to town the night before last, it having been

settled that Harrowby was to go to Lord Grey yesterday morning.

After consultation we agreed he had better go alone, that it

would be less formal, and that Lord Grey would be more disposed

to open himself. The same evening, at Madame de Lieven's ball,

Melbourne and Palmerston both told me that Grey was in an

excellent disposition. However, yesterday morning Harrowby had

such a headache that he was not fit to go alone, so the two went.

Nothing could be more polite than Grey, and on the whole the

interview was satisfactory. Nothing was agreed upon, all left

_dans le vague_; but a disposition to mutual confidence was

evinced, and I should think it pretty safe that no Peers will be

made. Lord Grey told them that if they could relieve him from the

necessity of creating Peers he should be sincerely obliged to

them, showed them a letter from the King containing the most

unlimited power for the purpose, and said that, armed with that

authority, if the Bill could be passed in no other way, it must

be so. A minute was drawn up to this effect, of which Wharncliffe

showed me a copy last night.

'Lords Harrowby and Wharncliffe cannot give any names, or pledge

themselves to any particular persons or numbers who will support

their views, but they have no doubt in their own minds that there

will be, _in the event of no creation of Peers_, a sufficient

number to carry the second reading of the Bill. In voting

themselves for the second reading, their intention is to propose

such alterations in Committee as, in their opinion, can alone

render it a measure fit to be passed into law, and in the event of

their being unable to effect the changes they deem indispensable,

they reserve to themselves the power of opposing the Bill in its

subsequent stages. Lord Grey considers the great principles of the

Bill of such vital importance that he could not agree to any

alteration in them, but admits that a modification of its details

need not be fatal to it, reserving to himself, if any of its vital

principles should be touched, the power of taking such ulterior

measures as he may find necessary to ensure its success. Lords

Harrowby and Wharncliffe are prepared to make a declaration of

their sentiments and intentions in the House of Lords at a proper

time, that time to be a subject of consideration; and in the event

of their having reason to believe that their present expectations

are not likely to be fulfilled, they will feel bound to give Lord

Grey information thereof, in order that he may take such measures

as he may think right.'[4]

[4] This is the substance, not a textual copy.

At present the principal difficulty promises to be the L10

clause. Lord Grey seemed to think this could not be altered.

Wharncliffe asked if it might not be modified, and so settled as

to secure its being a _bona fide_ L10 clause, from which Lord

Grey did not dissent, but answered rather vaguely.

In the meantime I think some progress is made in the work of

conversion. Harris has gone back, and Wilton, whom I always

doubted. I doubt anybody within the immediate sphere of the Duke,

but Wynford is well disposed, and the Archbishop has nearly given

in. His surrender would clinch the matter. I am inclined to think

we shall get through the second reading. Lord Grey was attacked

by Madame de Lieven the other day, who told him he was naturally

all that is right-minded and good, but was supposed to be

influenced against his own better judgment by those about him.

She also said something to the Duke of Wellington about Lord

Harrowby, to which he replied that Lord Harrowby 'etait une

mauvaise tete!' Very amusing from him, but he is provoked to

death that anybody should venture to desert from him.

[Page Head: DISTRESS IN BETHNAL GREEN.]

The cholera has produced more alertness than alarm here; in fact,

at present it is a mere trifle--in three days twenty-eight

persons. Nothing like the disorders which rage unheeded every year

and every day among the lower orders. It is its name, its

suddenness, and its frightful symptoms that terrify. The

investigations, however, into the condition of the different

parishes have brought to light dreadful cases of poverty and

misery. A man came yesterday from Bethnal Green with an account of

that district. They are all weavers, forming a sort of separate

community; there they are born, there they live and labour, and

there they die. They neither migrate nor change their occupation;

they can do nothing else. They have increased in a ratio at

variance with any principles of population, having nearly tripled

in twenty years, from 22,000 to 62,000. They are for the most part

out of employment, and can get none; 1,100 are crammed into the

poor-house, five or six in a bed; 6,000 receive parochial relief.

The parish is in debt; every day adds to the number of paupers and

diminishes that of ratepayers. These are principally small

shopkeepers, who are beggared by the rates. The district is in a

complete state of insolvency and hopeless poverty, yet they

multiply, and while the people look squalid and dejected, as if

borne down by their wretchedness and destitution, the children

thrive and are healthy. Government is ready to interpose with

assistance, but what can Government do? We asked the man who came

what could be done for them. He said 'employment,' and employment

is impossible.

February 20th, 1832 {p.262}

Lord Grey was very much pleased with the result of his interview,

and expresses unbounded reliance on Lord Harrowby's honour. The

ultras, of course, will give him no credit, and don't believe he

can command votes enough; 'l'affaire marche, mais lentement,' and

the seceders (or those we hope will be so) will not declare

themselves positively. There is no prevailing upon them. The

Archbishop is with us one day, and then doubts, though I think we

shall have him at last. A good deal of conversation passed between

Grey and Harrowby, which the latter considers confidential and

won't repeat. It was about the details; the substance of the

minute he feels at liberty to communicate. By way of an episode,

news came last night of an insurrection of the slaves in Jamaica,

in which fifty-two plantations had been destroyed. It was speedily

suppressed by Willoughby Cotton, and the ringleaders were executed

by martial law.

February 23rd, 1832 {p.262}

[Page Head: LORD HARROWBY'S LETTER.]

At Court yesterday; long conversation with Melbourne, and in the

evening with Charles Wood and Richmond, who is more alarmed about

the Peers. Melbourne had got an idea that Lord Harrowby's letter,

which had been reported if not shown to the Government, had done

a great deal of harm, inasmuch as it set forth so strongly the

same arguments to the Tories to show them the danger of letting

Peers be made that Durham and Co. make use of as an argument for

the same. I promised to show it him, and replied that they could

not expect Lord Harrowby to do anything but employ the arguments

that are most likely to take effect with these people, but they

are not put in an offensive manner. Melbourne said that the King

is more reconciled to the measure, i.e. that they have got the

foolish, old man in town and can talk him over more readily. A

discussion last night about the propriety of making a declaration

to-day in the House of Lords, when the Duke of Rutland presents a

petition against Reform. The Archbishop will not decide; there is

no moving him. Curious that a Dr. Howley, the other day Canon of

Christ Church, a very ordinary man, should have in his hands the

virtual decision of one of the most momentous matters that ever

occupied public attention. There is no doubt that his decision

would decide the business so far. Up to this time certainly

Harrowby and Wharncliffe have no certainty of a sufficient number

for the second reading; but I think they will have enough at

last.

February 24th, 1832 {p.263}

Harrowby and Wharncliffe agreed, if the Duke of Rutland on

presenting his petition gave them a good opportunity, they would

speak. It was a very good one, for the petition turned out to be

one for a moderate Reform, more in their sense than in the Duke's

own; but the moment it was read Kenyon jumped up. Harrowby

thought he was going to speak upon it, whereas he presented

another; and I believe he was put up by the Duke to stop any

discussion.

In the evening went to Lord Holland's, when he and she asked me

about the letter. Somebody had given abstracts of it, with the

object of proving to Lord Grey that Harrowby had been uncandid, or

something like it, and had held out to the Tories that if they

would adopt his line they would turn out the Government. Holland

and the rest fancied the letter had been written _since the

interview_, but I told them it was _three weeks before_, and I

endeavoured to explain that the abstracts must be taken in

connection not only with the rest of the text, but with the

argument. Holland said Lord Grey meant to ask Harrowby for the

letter. From thence I went to Harrowby, and told him this. He said

he would not show it, that Grey had no right to ask for a private

letter written by him weeks before to one of his friends, and it

was beneath him to answer for and explain anything he had thought

fit to say. But he has done what will probably answer as well, for

he has given Ebrington a copy of it for the express purpose of

going to Lord Grey and explaining anything that appears ambiguous

to him. As the business develops itself, and the time approaches,

communication becomes more open and frequent; the Tories talk with

great confidence of their majority, and the ultra-Whigs are quite

ready to believe them; the two extreme ends are furious. Our list

up to this day presents a result of forty-three votes to

thirty-seven doubtful, out of which it is hard if a majority

cannot be got. I have no doubt now that they will take a very

early opportunity of making a declaration. Peel, in the other

House, is doing what he can to inflame and divide, and repress any

spirit of conciliation. Nothing is sure in his policy but that it

revolves round himself as the centre, and is influenced by some

view which he takes of his own future advantage, probably the

rallying of the Conservative party (as they call themselves,

though they are throwing away everything into confusion and

sinking everything by their obstinacy) and his being at the head

of it. He made a most furious and mischievous speech.

February 29th, 1832 {p.264}

Ebrington took Harrowby's letter to Lord Grey, who was satisfied

but not pleased; the date and the circumstances (which were

explained) removed all bad impressions from his mind. Since this

a garbled version (or rather extracts) has appeared in the

'Times,' which endeavours to make a great stir about it. Harrowby

was very much annoyed, and thought of sending the letter itself

to the 'Times' to be published at once; but Haddington and I both

urged him not, and last night he put a contradiction in the

'Globe.' I have little doubt that this as well as the former

extracts came from the shop of Durham and Co., and so Melbourne

told me he thought likewise. There was a great breeze at the last

Cabinet dinner between Durham and Richmond again on the old

subject--the Peers. I believe they will now take their chance.

Our list presents forty-seven sure votes besides the doubtful,

but not many pledges. As to me, I am really puzzled what to wish

for--that is, for the success of which party, being equally

disgusted with the folly of both. My old aversion for the High

Tories returns when I see their conduct on this occasion. The

obstinacy of the Duke, the selfishness of Peel, the pert

vulgarity of Croker, and the incapacity of the rest are set in

constant juxtaposition with the goodness of the cause they are

now defending, but which they will mar by their way of defending

it. A man is wanting, a fresh man, with vigour enough to govern,

and who will rally round him the temperate and the moderate of

different parties--men unfettered by prejudices, connections, and

above all by pledges, expressed or implied, and who can and will

address themselves to the present state and real wants of the

country, neither terrified into concession by the bullying of the

press and the rant of public meetings and associations, nor

fondly lingering over bygone systems of government and law. That

the scattered materials exist is probable, but the heated passion

of the times has produced so much repulsion among these various

atoms that it is difficult to foresee when a cooler temperature

may permit their cohesion into any efficient mass.

March 6th, 1842 {p.265}

[Page Head: VIOLENCE OF EXTREME PARTIES.]

The ultra-Whigs and ultra-Tories are both outrageous. Day after

day the 'Times' puts forth paragraphs, evidently manufactured in

the Durham shop, about Harrowby's letter, and yesterday there was

one which exhibited their mortification and rage so clearly as to

be quite amusing, praising the Duke and the Tories, and abusing

Harrowby and Wharncliffe and the moderates. In the meantime,

while Lord Grey is negotiating with Harrowby for the express

purpose of avoiding the necessity of making Peers, Durham, his

colleague and son-in-law, in conjunction with Dover, is (or has

been) going about with a paper for signature by Peers, being a

requisition to Lord Grey to make new Peers, inviting everybody he

could find to sign this by way of assisting that course of

bullying and violence he has long pursued, but happily in vain.

Lord Grey is, I believe, really disgusted with all these

proceedings; he submits and does nothing. Richmond quarrels with

Durham, Melbourne damns him, and the rest hate him. But there he

is, frowning, sulking, bullying, and meddling, and doing all the

harm he can. Never certainly was there such a Government as this,

so constituted, so headed--a chief with an imposing exterior, a

commanding eloquence, and a character[5] below contempt, seduced

and governed by anybody who will minister to his vanity and

presume upon his facility.

[5] By character I mean what the French call _caractere_,

not that he is wanting in honour and honesty, nor in

ability, but in resolution and strength of mind.

There has been nothing remarkable in either House of Parliament

but an attack made by Londonderry on Plunket, who gave him so

terrific a dressing that it required to be as _pachydermatous_ as

he is to stand it. He is, however, a glutton, for he took it all,

and seemed to like it. I dined with Madame de Lieven a day or two

ago, and was talking to her about politics and political events,

and particularly about the memoirs, or journal, or whatever it

be, that she has written. She said she had done so very

irregularly, but that what she regretted was not having kept more

exact records of the events and transactions of the Belgian

question (which is not yet settled), that it was in its

circumstances the most curious that could be, and exhibited more

remarkable manifestations of character and 'du coeur humain,' as

well as of politics generally, than any course of events she

knew. I asked her why she did not give them now. She said it was

impossible, that the 'nuances' were so delicate and so numerous,

the details so nice and so varying, that unless caught at the

moment they escaped, and it was impossible to collect them again.

March 9th, 1832 {p.266}

Went to Lord Holland's the other night, and had a violent battle

with him on politics. Nobody so violent as he, and curious as

exhibiting the opinions of the ultras of the party. About making

Peers--wanted to know what Harrowby's real object was. I told him

none but to prevent what he thought an enormous evil. What did it

signify (he said) whether Peers were made now or later? that the

present House of Lords never could go on with a Reformed

Parliament, it being opposed to all the wants and wishes of the

people, hating the abolition of tithes, the press, and the French

Revolution, and that in order to make it harmonise with the

Reformed Parliament it must be amended by an infusion of a more

Liberal cast. This was the spirit of his harangue, which might

have been easily answered, for it all goes upon the presumption

that his party is that which harmonises with the popular feeling,

and what he means by improving the character of the House is to

add some fifty or sixty men who may be willing to accept peerages

upon the condition of becoming a body-guard to this Government.

The 'Times' yesterday and the day before attacked Lord Grey with

a virulence and indecency about the Peers that is too much even

for those who take the same line, and he now sees where his

subserviency to the press has conducted him. In the House of

Commons the night before last, Ministers would have been beaten

on the sugar duties if Baring Wall, who had got ten people to

dinner, had chosen to go down in time.

[Page Head: IRISH NATIONAL EDUCATION.]

The principal subject of discussion this last week has been the

Education Board in Ireland, the object of which is to combine the

education of Catholics and Protestants by an arrangement with

regard to the religious part of their instruction that may be

compatible with the doctrines and practice of both. This

arrangement consists in there being only certain selections from

the Bible, which are admitted generally, while particular days

and hours are set apart for the separate religious exercises of

each class. This will not do for the zealous Protestants, who

bellow for the whole Bible as Reformers do for the whole Bill.

While the whole system is crumbling to dust under their feet,

while the Church is prostrate, property of all kind threatened,

and robbery, murder, starvation, and agitation rioting over the

land, these wise legislators are debating whether the brats at

school shall read the whole Bible or only parts of it. They do

nothing but rave of the barbarism and ignorance of the Catholics;

they know that education alone can better their moral condition,

and that their religious tenets prohibit the admission of any

system of education (in which Protestants and Catholics can be

joined) except such an one as this, and yet they would rather

knock the system on the head, and prevent all the good that may

flow from it, than consent to a departure from the good old rules

of Orange ascendency and Popish subserviency and degradation,

knowing too, above all, that those who are to read and be taught

are equally indifferent to the whole Bible or to parts of it,

that they comprehend it not, have no clear and definite ideas on

the subject but as matter of debate, vehicle of dispute and

dissension, and almost of religious hatred and disunion, and that

when once they have escaped from the trammels of their school,

not one in a hundred will trouble his head about the Bible at

all, and not one in a thousand attend to its moral precepts.

March 10th, 1832 {p.268}

Yesterday morning Wharncliffe came to me to give me an account of

the conversation the other day between him and Harrowby on one

side and Lords Grey and Lansdowne on the other. Harrowby was

headachy and out of sorts. However, it went off very satisfactorily;

the list was laid before Grey, who was satisfied, and no Peers are

to be made before the second reading; but he said that if the Bill

should be carried by so small a majority as to prove that the

details could not be carried in Committee, he must reserve the

power of making Peers _then_. At this Harrowby winced, but

Wharncliffe said he thought it fair; and in fact it is only in

conformity with the protocol that was drawn up at the last

conversation. They entered into the details, and Lord Grey said

the stir that had been made about the metropolitan members might

raise difficulties, and then asked would they agree to this, to

give members to Marylebone and throw over the rest? To this

Harrowby would not agree, greatly to Wharncliffe's annoyance, who

would have agreed, and I think he would have been in the right. It

would have been as well to have nailed Grey to this, and if

Harrowby had not had a headache I think he would have done so.

With regard to the L10 clause, Wharncliffe _thinks_ they will not

object to a modification. Grey spoke of the press, and with just

wrath and indignation of the attacks on himself. On the whole this

was good. The capture of Vandamme was the consequence of a

bellyache, and the metropolitan representation depended on a

headache. If the truth could be ascertained, perhaps many of the

greatest events in history turned upon aches of one sort or

another. Montaigne might have written an essay on it.

March 12th, 1832 {p.269}

Durham made another exhibition of temper at the Cabinet dinner

last Wednesday. While Lord Grey was saying something he rudely

interrupted him, as his custom is. Lord Grey said, 'But, my dear

Lambton, only hear what I was going to say,' when the other jumped

up and said, 'Oh, if I am not to be allowed to speak I may as well

go away,' rang the bell, ordered his carriage, and marched off.

Wharncliffe came to me yesterday morning to propose writing a

pamphlet in answer to the 'Quarterly Review,' which has got an

article against his party. I suggested instead that an attempt

should be made by Sandon (who has been in some communication with

the editor about this matter) to induce the 'Morning Herald' to

support us, and make that paper the vehicle of our articles. This

he agreed to, and was to propose it to Sandon last night. We have

no advocate in the press; the Whig and Tory papers are equally

violent against us. Yesterday I saw a letter which has been

circulated among the Tories, written by young Lord Redesdale to

Lord Bathurst, a sort of counter-argument to Lord Harrowby's

letter, although not an answer, as it was written before he had

seen that document; there is very little in it.

March 16th, 1832 {p.269}

[Page Head: IRISH TITHES.]

Lord Grey made an excellent speech in the House of Lords in reply

to Aberdeen's questions about Ancona, and Peel made another in

the House of Commons on Irish Tithes, smashing Sheil, taking high

ground and a strong position, but doing nothing towards settling

the question. He forgets that the system is bad, resting on a

false foundation, and that it has worked ill and been bolstered

up by him and his party till now it can no longer be supported,

and it threatens to carry away with it that which is good in

itself. We owe these things to those who wilfully introduced a

moral confusion of ideas into their political machinery, and, by

destroying the essential distinction between right and wrong,

have deprived the things which are right of the best part of

their security. I have never been able to understand why our

system should be made to rest on artificial props when it did not

require them, nor the meaning of that strange paradox which a

certain school of statesmen have always inculcated, that

institutions of admitted excellence required to be conjoined with

others which were founded in crime and error, and which could

only be supported by power. This has brought about Reform; it

would be easy to prove it. The Ancona affair will blow over.

George Villiers writes me word that it was a little escapade of

Perier's, done in a hurry, a mistake, and yet he is a very able

man. Talleyrand told me 'c'est une betise.' Nothing goes on well;

the world is out of joint.

Fanny Kemble's new tragedy came out last night with complete

success, written when she was seventeen, an odd play for a girl

to write. The heroine is tempted like Isabella in 'Measure for

Measure,' but with a different result, which result is supposed

to take place between the acts.

March 26th, 1832 {p.270}

[Page Head: REFORM BILL IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS.]

Ten days since I have written anything here, but _en revanche_ I

have written a pamphlet. An article appeared in the 'Quarterly,'

attacking Harrowby and his friends. Wharncliffe was so desirous

it should be answered that I undertook the job, and it comes out

to-day in a 'Letter to Lockhart, in reply,' &c. I don't believe

anybody read the last I wrote, but as I have published this at

Ridgway's, perhaps it may have a more extensive sale. The events

have been the final passing of the Bill, after three nights'

debate, by a majority of 116, ended by a very fine speech from

Peel, who has eminently distinguished himself through this fight.

Stanley closed the debate at five o'clock in the morning, with

what they say was a good and dexterous speech, but which

contained a very unnecessary dissertation about the Peers. This,

together with some words from Richmond and the cheerfulness of

Holland, makes my mind misgive me that we shall still have them

created for the Committee. The conduct of the ultra-Tories has

been so bad and so silly that I cannot wish to bring them in,

though I have a great desire to turn the others out. As to a

moderate party, it is a mere dream, for where is the moderation?

This day Lord John Russell brings the Bill up to the House of

Lords, and much indeed depends upon what passes there. Harrowby

and Wharncliffe will make their speeches, and we shall, I

conclude, have the Duke and Lord Grey. I expect, and I beg his

pardon if I am wrong, that the Duke will make as mischievous a

speech as he can, and try to provoke declarations and pledges

against the Bill. The Ministers are exceedingly anxious that

Harrowby should confine himself to generalities, which I hope

too, for I am certain no good can, and much harm may, be done by

going into details. Grey, Holland, and Richmond all three spoke

to me about it last night, and I am going to see what can be done

with them. I should not fear Harrowby but that he is petulant and

sour; Wharncliffe is vain, and has been excited in all this

business, though with very good and very disinterested motives,

but he cannot bear patiently the abuse and the ridicule with

which both the extreme ends endeavour to cover him, and he is

uneasy under it, and what I dread is that in making attempts to

set himself right, and to clear his character with a party who

will never forgive him for what he has done, and to whom whatever

he says will be words cast to the winds, he will flounder, and

say something which will elicit from Lord Grey some declaration

that may make matters worse than ever. What I hope and trust is

that the Government and our people will confine themselves to

civil generalities, and pledge themselves _de part et d'autre_ to

nothing, and that they will not be provoked by taunts from any

quarter to depart from that prudent course.

There was another breeze in the House of Lords about Irish

Education, the whole bench of bishops in a flame, and except Maltby,

who spoke _for_, all declared against the plan--Phillpotts in a

furious speech. What celestial influences have been at work I know

not, but certain it is that the world seems going mad, individually

and collectively. The town has been more occupied this week with

Dudley's extravagancies than the affairs of Europe. He, in fact, is

mad, but is to be cupped and starved and disciplined sound again. It

has been fine talk for the town. The public curiosity and love of

news is as voracious and universal as the appetite of a shark, and,

like it, loves best what is grossest and most disgusting; anything

relating to personal distress, to crime, to passion, is greedily

devoured by this monster, as Cowley calls it.

I see

The monster London laugh at me;

I would at thee, too, foolish City,

But thy estate I pity.

Should all the wicked men from out thee go,

And all the fools that crowd thee so,

Thou, who dost thy thousands boast,

Would be a wilderness almost.--_Ode to Solitude._

But of all the examples of cant, hypocrisy, party violence, I

have never seen any to be compared to the Irish Education

business; and there was Rosslyn, an old Whig, voting against;

Carnarvon stayed away, every Tory without exception going against

the measure. As to madness, Dudley has gone mad in his own house,

Perceval in the House of Commons, and John Montague in the Park,

the two latter preaching, both Irvingites and believers in 'the

tongues.' Dudley's madness took an odd turn; he would make up all

his quarrels with Lady Holland, to whom he has not spoken for

sixteen years, and he called on her, and there were tears and

embraces, and God knows what. Sydney Smith told her that she was

bound in honour to set the quarrel up again when he comes to his

senses, and put things into the _status quo ante pacem_. It would

be hard upon him to find, on getting out of a strait waistcoat,

that he had been robbed of all his hatreds and hostilities, and

seduced into the house of his oldest foe.

March 27th, 1832 {p.272}

[Page Head: DEBATE IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS.]

I did the Duke of Wellington an injustice. He spoke, but without

any violence, in a fair and gentlemanlike manner, a speech

creditable to himself, useful and becoming. If there was any

disposition on the part of his followers to light a flame, he at

once repressed it. The whole thing went off well; House very

full; Harrowby began, and made an excellent speech, with the

exception of one mistake. He dwelt too much on the difference

between this Bill and the last, as if the difference of his own

conduct resulted from that cause, and this I could see they were

taking up in their minds, and though he corrected the impression

afterwards, it will be constantly brought up against him, I have

no doubt. After him Carnarvon, who alone was violent, but short;

then Wharncliffe (I am not sure which was first of these two),

very short and rather embarrassed, expressing his concurrence

with Lord Harrowby; then the Bishop of London, short also, but

strong in his language, much more than Lord Harrowby; then Lord

Grey, temperate and very general, harping a little too much on

that confounded word _efficiency_, denying that what he said last

year bore the interpretation that had been put upon it, and

announcing that he would give his best consideration to any

amendments, a very good speech; then the Duke, in a very handsome

speech, acknowledging that he was not against all Reform, though

he was against this Bill, because he did not think if it passed

it would be possible to carry on the government of the country,

but promising that if the Bill went into Committee he would give

his constant attendance, and do all in his power to make it as

safe a measure as possible. So finished this important evening,

much to the satisfaction of the moderate, and to the disgust of

the violent party. I asked Lord Holland if he was satisfied (in

the House after the debate), and he said, 'Yes, yes, very well,

but the Bishop's the man;' and in the evening at Lord Grey's I

found they were all full of the Bishop. Lord Grey said to me,

'Well, you will allow that I behaved very well?' I said, 'Yes,

very, but the whole thing was satisfactory, I think.' 'Yes,' he

said, 'on the whole, but they were a little too strong, too

violent against the Bill,' because Harrowby had declared that he

felt the same objection to the measure he had felt before. Sefton

was outrageous, talked a vast deal of amusing nonsense, 'that he

had never heard such twaddle,' 'but that the success was

complete, and he looked on Harrowby and Wharncliffe as the two

most enviable men in the kingdom.' I have no doubt that all the

ultras will be deeply mortified at the moderation of Lord Grey

and of the Duke of Wellington, and at the success _so far_ of

'the Waverers.'

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