SUMMARY BY DISTRICTS

January 1, 1922.

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Assigned Enrolled Percentage

Dist. Number of Number War Risk to in of Avail.

Institutions of Staff Patients Classes Classes Patients

Enrolled

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1 7 30 1443 652 429 66

2 11 50 2282 926 782 84

3 7 16 819 344 257 75

4 9 61 2538 1228 846 68

5 8 66 3846 2053 1394 68

6 4 18 1185 563 452 80

7 19 49 2309 916 753 82

8 15 52 1631 914 711 78

9 5 12 303 260 239 92

10 11 33 1432 707 521 74

11 2 19 1577 617 341 35

12 15 55 2646 1117 725 65

13 3 9 649 172 138 81

14 1 13 942 442 300 70

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Grand 117 483 23602 10911 7888 72

Total:

ADMIRAL STITT: reminded the men that at the meeting yesterday afternoon a

motion was made to discuss the paper on the “The Social Service Worker”

this morning, and there were about 25 minutes for the discussion of each

of the four subjects—the social service worker, disciplinary

regulations, relation of district managers, and physiotherapy and

occupational therapy in hospitals.

CAPT. BLACKWOOD: said it was his opinion that the social service worker has

done more to aid the Commanding Officer and to follow up the work on the

ex-service man, as well as the service man, than anything else he knew

of that has been introduced into the hospitals. The social service work

in the Navy is all done by the Red Cross, one of the most wonderful

organizations in the United States for doing good.

SURGEON CHRONQUEST emphasized the point that diversion and recreation should

be distinguished from the social service, with which it is so often

linked.

SURGEON LASCHE: stated that at first he was sceptical about the introduction

of people under extraneous control into the hospital, but that he

incorporated the Red Cross into the official organization of the

hospital and made the director a member of the staff. He believed in

keeping a fairly close supervision over the activities until he knew the

individual, and made a rule that the social worker should send a carbon

of every letter written about the patients to the officer in charge. It

was found that at the beginning there was no possible reason for about

30% of the letters written, but only one-half of one percent of the

letters produced harmful results. He said he was inclined to think that

owing to the fact that the Red Cross has the benefit of a nation-wide

organization that for the present it is very much better to utilize

their services than to establish government employees to do the same

work.

COL. BRATTON: said that experience had shown him that the Red Cross is a

great aid in carrying on relation to the outside world. He told of the

situation in Atlanta. When the hospital was established he found it

would be necessary to satisfy the people of Atlanta that the wounded

boys were being properly taken care of, and was fortunate to secure the

services of a first-class man from the Red Cross. The result was that

the people became very interested in the work and sent committees with

food, also provided pictures two or three times a week and all kinds of

entertainment.

SURGEON PAYNE stated that one of the greatest difficulties he had

experienced had been in sidetracking the people who, though kindly

disposed, brought food and all kinds of entertainment which were

injurious to the patients. He said he did not believe in any kind of

athletics in a hospital, unless under the Physiotherapy Department,

neither did he believe in dances in a hospital. He said people would

bring in all kinds of food and the patients would eat it before going to

mess, and then of course would complain of the hospital food furnished.

The greatest benefit from the Red Cross had been the coordination of

those activities.

COL. BRATTON asked that some of the men who served in General Hospital #6

speak on this subject.

SURGEON WILLHITE: stated he had served under Colonel Bratton, and agreed

heartily with all he had said. He stated also that in his work in the

hospital in Philadelphia the Red Cross had done the finest kind of

social service work, coordinating all the agencies that Dr. Payne spoke

of as so detrimental to him, and he believed had been a very great

benefit rather than a hindrance.

Dr. Dedman took up the work of the Red Cross in taking care of relatives

of patients who come to the hospital. Often these people spend all their

money for railroad fare, and have none left when they reach the

hospital, and the hospital has to take care of them. He said he had

arranged that four or five rooms be fixed up for such people as this and

believed some definite authority should be had from the Veterans’ Bureau

to house these people and furnish their meals. He stated that some boys

will ask for things and others will not. He referred to an instance in

which a patient had told a lady that he needed a shirt, and two days

later when she brought him one she gave it to him before the whole ward

and the boy was ridiculed for a long time afterward. He had had trouble

in getting the work done through the social welfare workers in the

hospital, as the public wants the individual glory of handing something

to the boys themselves. The Red Cross has also been a great aid in

investigating home conditions of the patients, especially of tubercular

patients who want to go home to die. Also, in the case of a man who asks

for a long furlough because his mother or sister is dying, the Red Cross

will investigate and get an immediate report, and many times it will be

found that the mother or sister is not sick at all.

SURGEON PAYNE: stated that he did not want to be misunderstood, that he did

not mean to take credit away from the Red Cross.

LIEUT. BOONE: stated that the discussions had gone afield, that real social

service work is summed up in four or five heads—securing social

histories and other data for the use of tuberculosis specialists and

psychiatrists, securing reports on home conditions for help of

physicians in deciding whether or not to discharge a patient to his

home, corresponding with home communities to adjust home situations,

thereby making it possible for patients to remain in hospitals, and

arranging through local communities for men who return home to have

proper care and assistance in adjusting themselves to civilian life. He

believed a great deal of this entertainment work should be separated

from social service.

ADMIRAL STITT stated that the question had been considered by the Federal

Board of Hospitalization, and it had been recognized that only the Red

Cross has this tremendous machinery and it was considered that the Red

Cross is the proper agency and organization to take care of that sort of

thing. The Red Cross should coordinate and control these outside

agencies. He announced that the next discussion would be on

“Disciplinary Regulations”.

DR. KLAUTZ took up first that in tubercular institutions the rules must

always be stricter than in the general government hospital. He

emphasized the fact that tuberculosis in a civilian is the same as in an

ex-service man, that the same methods of procedure must be applied in

treatment, and that the patient must recognize the importance of

discipline in the tuberculosis hospital.

SURGEON DEDMAN stated he had taken part in the compilation of General Order

#27, and that he found one flaw in it now. This was the clause about

giving a man his transportation. He believed that a man would soon get

restless and if he could get his transportation home against medical

advice many of these men would get some wonderful home trips. He said

this would make it one of the hardest things on earth to keep sick men

in bed. He said the only way for this to be done would be to deduct the

transportation from the man’s compensation. He stated that General Order

27 had put Commanding Officers where they could sleep at night, that

before there was simply turmoil and strife, like the boy in France whose

wife, every time she wrote to him, nagged him, and he of course was

never anxious to get her letters. Finally he wrote to her “Dear

Maggie—Received your last letter. For God’s sake don’t write me any

more. Let me fight this war in peace!.”

DR.LLOYD: referring to Dr. Dedman’s complaint, stated that in the case of a

man discharged for disciplinary reasons the man would not have the means

to get home, and the community would have to take care of him, that it

was a choice between two evils. In the case of a man who goes home

against medical advice, if his transportation were not paid he would

just do something and get fired for disciplinary reasons. He asked for

some further discussions on the matter of patients being sent back to a

hospital when they ought not to be.

SURGEON MILLER: referring to General Order 27, stated that in his hospital

the patients were willing to pay their own transportation, and would go

whether it was paid or not.

ADMIRAL STITT: asked that those who wished to present resolutions be writing

them.

DR. GUTHRIE: requested that the medical officers who have complaints in

regard to General Order 27 and do not have time to express then write

them out and he would be very glad to have them sent to him.

SURGEON WHITE (Speedway Hospital): asked whether, if a patient stays away

over night A.W.O.L., paragraphs 3 or 4 on Page 3 of General Order 27–A

would apply.

ADMIRAL STITT asked that Dr. Lloyd answer that question.

DR. LLOYD: suggested that if patient stays away less than 24 hours mild

disciplinary action might be applied, if longer than 24 hours he should

be disciplined, that these matters were covered in the paragraphs

referred to.

ADMIRAL STITT: “The next discussions will be on “The Relation of District

Managers to Hospitals.””

DR. WILLIAMS: emphasized the point that when a man comes to the hospital he

should be treated for everything that is wrong with him.

SURGEON BROWNE: wished to report a plan in operation in Boston. Every two

weeks a luncheon conference is held, at which are present the Commanding

Officers of the hospitals, the head of the American Legion in the State,

head of the New England Red Cross, and the Commissioner of State Aid and

Pensions. In this way it was possible to straighten out all difficulties

and there is now practically no friction between these departments.

CAPT. ELLIOTT: spoke on the contact with the District Manager here in

Washington, that it was very easy to reach him by telephone and obtain

advice which facilitates the discharge and treatment of patients very

much. The relation of the Naval Hospital with the District Manager has

been one of greatest cooperation, that the Veterans’ Bureau had even

gone so far as to lend a typist and stenographer to help in the great

amount of clerical work necessary in making out papers for Veterans’

Bureau patients.

Another man spoke of the multiplicity of paper work necessary in

connection with the new form adopted by the Veterans’ Bureau in place of

1934–B, that it was impossible to manifold this form and it necessitated

just twice as much work as before. He suggested that the Committee on

Forms consider the feasibility of adopting forms that can be manifolded

and thereby make economical saving.

SURGEON YOUNG: stated that in regard to the relation of the District Manager

he would like to know whether the representative of the Veterans’ Bureau

to be in the hospital is to be there as a man directly connected with

the personnel of the District Manager’s office, or whether he is to be

there as a representative of the Veterans’ Bureau itself.

DR. RAWLS gave the information that the educational director would be a

representative of the District Manager, on the staff of the Commanding

Officer of the hospital, who would deal with the District Office in

matters pertaining to the District and to the hospitalization of the

patient. He stated that it might be that in dealing with certain other

phases he would have a direct channel to the Bureau, but this had not

been definitely decided.

GENERAL SAWYER: stated that the subject of hospitalization most now be

viewed as a much broader field than ever before, that after discussing

the subject of an educational department and social service work with

people in contact with it it was decided to be absolutely necessary to

enlarge the personnel of these hospitals so as to take in these various

new things which were coming up for consideration. He emphasized the

fact that the end result is the important thing, but that in

consideration of all of these subjects it should be understood that

these Red Cross representatives and all other employees will be subject

to the Commanding Officer. He said he was satisfied that most of the

complaint made was by individuals who come into the hospital and do not

come in contact with the Commanding Officer. The whole idea of the

social service relation is that these men shall be made more resourceful

and more capable of earning a living for themselves.

COL. EVANS: took up the number of personnel required, and stated that it had

been approved that the average requirements would be—one teacher or one

occupational therapist for each twenty individuals actually engaged, and

one physiotherapy aide for each twenty treatments per day. He stated

that one might not take care of over five patients, but the basis of

estimation was one for twenty, and that the average would be one to

sixteen if the educational director and his clerical help are included.

SURGEON SPRAGUE: spoke on the value of occupational therapy. He told how

after the introduction of occupational therapy in his hospital in New

York boys who had been very troublesome before became deeply interested

in the work and the wards became as quiet as any other wards. He wished

to express himself as most heartily in favor of occupational therapy.

Another discussion on this subject followed. It was stated that there is

no question as to the direct therapeutic value of occupational therapy.

The disciplinary value is its greatest value. Very often, too, there

will be found a boy who has real talent.

SURGEON PAYNE: stated that in his opinion a simpler method of reporting

should be adopted, that the system of bookkeeping is perfectly idiotic

and that nobody knows just what is meant. He said there was a great deal

of sentiment against the Government having any interest in what the man

makes, and that in many cases the men buy their own material. He cited

the case of a man in his hospital who makes all kinds of toys out of tin

cans and has worked up quite a trade. Public sentiment is all on that

man’s side.

COL. BRATTON: with regard to paying transportation for men discharged for

disciplinary reasons, made the following motion, which was carried;

_MOTION_

That the Director of the Veterans’ Bureau be requested to secure

legislation so that the expenses of the patient’s transportation to

his bona fide home, when he has been discharged for disciplinary

reasons, be deducted from his compensation, when compensation is

being given, or may be given thereafter.

DR. KLAUTZ: said it was his opinion that it was better to put a man right on

the train and send him home.

CAPT. BLACKWOOD: “In view of the remarks made at this meeting yesterday in

regard to the nurses, and in view of the fact that Congress is

contemplating the question of pay for the services, I would like to

present this resolution:”

_RESOLUTION_

Be it resolved that it is the sense of this meeting that the pay of

the nurses of all branches of the Government service is far below

what it should be and therefore is a detriment to the entrance to or

continuance in those services of the better type of nurses, and that

it be urged upon Congress by the Federal Board of Hospitalization

that legislation be enacted to remedy this condition.

This resolution was adopted.

DR. KLAUTZ: offered the following resolution, which was also adopted:

_RESOLUTION_

That a standard procedure be adopted for the treatment, medical

supervision and control of tuberculous patients in all Government

hospitals for ex-service men, including uniformity in matters of

furlough, application of occupational therapy and pre-vocational

training, as far as it may be possible, without sacrificing

individualization of treatment.

The meeting adjourned at 12:25 P. M.

_Sixth Session_ Thursday, January 19, 1922.

Present: Members of the Federal Board of Hospitalization and about one

hundred Conferees.

GENERAL SAWYER: In arranging the program of this afternoon, we wish you to

consider it as open for discussion for bringing to the attention of the

Conference any subject which you may have in mind.

We have divided the work in this way. In order that we might have some

leading thought from which to start and upon which to base our

discussions, I would remind you that in the n.p, and tubercular case,

the Government has its greatest liability.

I would remind you also that particularly in the n.p. case the medical

man has his greatest responsibility.

We have learned by comparison month by month since taking over this work

that the general medical case has already become a quite rapidly

decreasing case in numbers. We find, however, that the mental case and

the tubercular subject are both increasing in number. We realize that in

the general medical case ultimately we must get to a place where we

shall have finished largely with that character of case.

But with the n.p. case we know that so long as we have a remnant of the

World War Army in existence, we have these neuro-psychiatric cases under

our observation.

I would like to charge you, while I have this opportunity, with this

particular responsibility on your part, and I would like to tell you how

I think you can do greater justice to the soldier and how you can

certainly help your Government best in considering this subject.

For myself, after a very close personal contact of ten years in the

specialty of treating mental and nervous diseases, I am satisfied that

in 99% of all of these cases,—perhaps that is a little strong,—I should

say in 90 per cent of these cases you will find, where the case is

genuine, that you have some physical cause at the bottom of the mental

trouble.

Therefore I wish to suggest that in the consideration of this case, that

you never allow one of them to pass you excepting you give him the most

careful examination; that you go over him in the most thorough way; that

you look into his case, so far as his history is concerned, taking into

consideration the decade in which he is living; go over it with every

laboratory refinement of diagnostic assistance that you can possibly

give and see if you cannot find somewhere some physical trouble that is

behind the mental symptoms.

For myself, I am convinced that there is no case, excepting those that

have gone on to the degenerate class of diseases, which usually appear

after fifty, but has some physical derangement the overcoming of which

may help very materially in the curing of the case.

So I would like to emphasize this thought: that you have not exhausted

the service that you can render, you have not relieved yourselves of the

responsibility, you have not acted as loyal doctors of modern times

should have acted, excepting that you take the greatest care in the

preliminary examination of these patients.

And then I would like to emphasize also that your preliminary

examination, by comparison with frequently recurring examinations, so

long as they are under your observation, will help you very materially.

I wish you to know that I am impressed with this idea. This is what I

believe:

That many of these cases that come to you will be better off outside of

institutions than in them, and I want you all, all of you, to help us to

try and correct this impression that is now existing, that the

Government does not give this class of cases proper attention.

If the Government is not giving them proper attention, it is not because

of their disposition to do so, but it is because they have not had time

enough to develop resources by which they can handle these cases well.

I would feel that I have not performed my function here as a doctor if I

did not say to you to be thus careful in your diagnosis and then help to

work out a plan whereby, if this subject cannot be made well, he can at

least be made more self-dependent. Use all of your influence to help to

cite where these men can find niches into which they can go and make it

possible through the influence you can bring to bear upon the people who

are associated and connected with them that they are better when they

really are established in their homes. There is no case in the world

that is more unfairly treated than the neuro-psychiatric case. We all

know that by many experiences and observations. So let us give

particular and special attention to this subject.

They say to us we have no specialists in this line. I am not so sure but

we are better off for that. This is what I do believe: that every man

who has broad experience of a general practice of medicine is competent

and capable of quickly developing himself to conduct these cases along

carefully.

You have no greater field, men, either for yourselves, for the patient,

or for your Government, than in this field.

Now as to the tubercular case. The error we find in the matter of the

tubercular case is this: We find a great many cases are diagnosed

tubercular when really they are not,—a very bad impression, as you can

imagine, to give to any subject. So let us be very sure, let us leave no

influence, or power, or activity unused that will help us to define the

exact attitude of these cases.

We know, as was related here yesterday, that many of the so-called cases

of shell shock are really due to other causes. This is my own

observation of those cases, we had a number immediately after the war,

at the Institution with which I am connected, and we found a most

invariably these men were the subject of the toxemias of fatigue, and by

relieving the toxemic conditions, whether it be uremic infection, or

what not, these cases soon got well and their mental symptoms soon

subsided. So be sure that you be perfectly fair with these men, and you

are never fair with them until you have exhausted every resource in

discovering whether or not, as the basis of their mental or nervous

disturbance, there may not be some physical condition.

The meeting is now in charge of Dr. White.

DR. WHITE: I hope there will be free discussion of this matter. There are a

good many men who have had charge of neuro-psychiatric hospitals, and I

hope you will feel free to get up and briefly set forth such vital

problems as you may have in mind. In order that we may cover as many

problems as possible, I will, with your permission, let you know when

the five minutes is up, so we can cover the ground as fully as possible.

DR. KOLB: In relation to the examinations made of these neuro-psychiatric

cases which were sent to us, I want to outline the procedure we use at

Waukesha in arriving at correct diagnosis and methods of treatment. The

patient is given to one special doctor. This doctor is supposed to make

the first preliminary examination, which included a complete physical,

neurological and psychiatric examination, and do all the work in

connection with these patients while in hospital. In making this

examination we have on our staff a number of very competent attending

specialists in order that we can obviate the mistake General Sawyer has

mentioned of assuming that these men are simply neurotics and passing

over important physical conditions. By this method we have caught a

number of cases which have been passed over as cases of neurasthenia.

For instance, I have in mind a case diagnosed neurasthenia which was

treated six months ago, which was a case of brain tumor.

After we have made the first preliminary examination the man is

carefully observed in hospital, not only by his own officer but by the

clinical director, and notes are made from time to time. Examinations

are also made by the dentist, x-ray examinations and various laboratory

examinations, including serological and base metabolism. In the end,

after all the data is assembled and written up, he is brought to the

staff and there his case is thoroughly discussed by all the members of

the staff; a diagnosis is arrived at, methods of treatment discussed and

afterwards put into effect.

Now as to the organic conditions with which our neurotics suffer. It is

true a large proportion of them do have organic disorders in connection

with their neuroses. We find that most of them do have functional

disorders originating purely in their mind, or because of some

constitutional nervous defect and that the real fundamental condition

from which they are suffering is not an organic condition but is nervous

or mental and must be approached along lines of psycho-therapy.

Now I will not go into the subject of psycho-therapy. We pay special

attention to mental questions but we do not neglect the physical by any

means. Every physical disorder which is found is corrected, if

correction is possible. We have complete physio-therapy and occupational

therapy and all other facilities for treating nervous cases. We are

careful never to stress too much on the physical treatment we give these

patients, because by so doing we suggest to them conditions they really

do not have and by that means prolong their functional disorders.

Regarding occupational therapy. We all know that this is a very

important method of treatment. It should always, as Colonel Evans said,

be directed treatment and should not be given in a hap-hazard way. All

of our occupational therapy treatment has been given a definite

prescription. For eighteen months we have had a bright young medical

officer interested in this subject, whom we have made reconstruction

officer and who observes the effect of treatment and changes the

prescriptions of the other physicians when he finds the treatment given

does not have the desired effect.

With reference to reconstruction aides, every week our reconstruction

officer gives them a talk on some phase either of occupational therapy

or physio-therapy or of mental disorders. We cover any subject in which

the neuro-psychiatrist should be interested. This officer has devised a

system of observation which the aides are supposed to make on patients

and which they do make on each patient who takes occupational therapy

and which is looked over by our reconstruction officer and the officer

in special charge of the case. We are getting up data and statistics

which we think will be of interest to the general profession when it is

finally published,

DR. TREADWAY: I think that the Public Health Service has had a very grave

and serious problem affecting the N.P. Veterans of the World War. We

have included in that term, besides the mental and nervous cases, the

neuro-surgical cases as well.

There are a number of problems which still confront us, and one of these

is the question of personnel. I am sorry that Dr. Kolb did not say

something about the training school he had started in connection with

his hospital. We sent some young officers over to learn technique and

methods of handling the psycho-neurotics. We have also sent some

officers to the Public Health Service clinic at the Psychopathic

Institute in Boston and we hope that some of our other hospitals will

start a similar school. The question of personnel is an exceedingly

grave one. A great many young men want to become surgeons.

They are not interested in mental or nervous cases. They want to go into

general medicine. Last year we sent two officers to the Southern

University and to the Northern and Western universities to meet the

graduating classes and the internes, and from that we have been

recruiting some younger men who are manifesting considerable interest.

We hope to get additional personnel by interesting the young graduate.

Another problem is the question of creating, in connection with General

hospitals, wards where patients of this sort may receive at the

beginning of their treatment, their preliminary examination, where they

may be evacuated home with compensation or without compensation, or

evacuated to a prolonged treatment hospital for further care.

It has sometimes been difficult to get enough men, trained personnel, to

man these wards.

We have believed all along that the proper method of treating the

pyscho-neurotic, so-called, is in out-patient clinic and we have

attempted to develop out-patient clinics with the old dispensaries

maintained by the Public Health Service; but the question of personnel

again entered into it, and we were unable to develop as many

out-patients clinics as we should like. We think, however, that the

mild, mental case, as General Sawyer has said, is far better off in the

outside world than he is in an institution. If such cases go to a

hospital, it tends to have their symptoms crystallized and they believe

they are sicker than they really are. In other words, they seek out some

minor physical disability as a peg on which to hang what they think is a

grave disorder.

The question of compensation for these cases is an important one which

must be worked out. The man who believes he is seriously ill when he has

but a minor defect, if he has compensation and has a weak will, will not

make a strenuous effort to get back on his feet. The question of maximum

compensation for these cases many times interferes with rehabilitation.

We believe that this is a new method of handling mental patients and it

may serve as a copy to other States to prevent this enormous building

program which every State has had to go through and which has not met

the needs of the insane.

Compensation for epileptics and their examination is a very important

question and has been a serious problem to us.

We find among neuroses not infrequently mild convulsions. We don’t know

a great deal about these convulsions; some are epileptic and some are

not. The true epileptic, however, has great difficulty in making a go in

the outside world. The number of convulsions per month is not an

indication of his disability, entirely, because the passage of the

Employees Compensation Act in the several States, has interfered with

the employment of men with an epileptic past.

It is as hard for the man who has a seizure once a month to get a

position as the one with four, so the question of treating epileptics is

one largely of social service and compensation.

The hospitalization of epileptics has not been a success in the hands of

the Public Health Service. One of the Western States that built a large

colony for epileptics some years ago has now turned it into an

institution for feeble-minded.

The question of vocational training is also a big problem in connection

with this type of disability. A man, for example, whom I saw a few weeks

ago, had been a jewelry polisher in Boston. Before the war he had to get

up every morning early and go to his work. He gave most of his earnings

to his family. He was suddenly taken out of that situation by the draft

and put into a situation where it was simple for him. All he had to do

was to get up and move around when some one told him to. He was

furnished with his clothing; he was furnished with his food. When he got

over on the other side he painted a rosy picture about how things were

at home. When he got back home it was not like what he imagined it was.

He had to get up and go back to his old job. It was hard for him to make

the effort. He quit his job. He goes to the Vocational people (he had a

seventh-grade education). He wants to become a civil-engineer. Obviously

he cannot. He tries another occupation, etc. Now the attempt of that man

to better his condition is a laudable one, but very often that desire to

get away from a difficult situation is a part of his mental disorder. He

must be made to understand and meet that problem frankly and not be

seeking round-about paths without very much continuity of purpose.

Vocational training in connection with epileptics has not been very

successful. Dr. Ellison who has had charge of a hospital for epileptics

can give us some valuable information on the problems of the epileptics.

I think that Dr. Wilbur, who has had charge of a large station at

Chicago, can give us some valuable information about preliminary

examinations, the social service aspect of these cases, the need of

social service and the handling of the psychoneurotic in out-patient

clinics. Dr. Wilbur and Dr. Chronquest can tell us about the problem

affecting the insane. Mr. Chairman, I suggest that you call on them.

Dr. ELLISON: I want to say the program as outlined in the afternoon

session is one of vital interest to me, because I have been in charge of

one of the most problematic Government Institutions in the country, that

is, an epileptic hospital in East Norfolk. The administrative program in

hospital of this kind, taking into consideration the application of

general orders, hospital regulations and internal regulations as within

the hospital, is entirely different from any other class of hospital

under Federal control.

The very fact that you attempt to apply certain regulations in a

hospital of this kind where the morale is naturally at a low ebb, due to

the mental phases under which these men are suffering, sometimes results

in disaster and the breaking down of the morale you have in the

hospital.

I would like to go on record in stating it is my belief that voluntary

hospitalization of the epileptic is anything but desirable.

From the standpoint of rehabilitation of the epileptic, I must take into

consideration the particular type of epileptic we have in the hospital.

As Dr. Treadway stated, the majority of these man have not reached

probably the school grade of seven years. There has been an attempt on

the part of the rehabilitation department to make lawyers, doctors,

diplomats out of these epileptics. It is absurd and cannot be done.

These men are social and economic lepers, so far as their rehabilitation

is concerned. The communities do not want them. Their families do not

want them and the responsibility for their care rests upon the

Government. Then what is to be the solution of the disposition of these

men? I can see but probably two solutions to the question. Voluntary

hospitalisation is out of the question. I believe that that part of the

Bureau concerned with the compensation of these men, from an economical

standpoint, must take into consideration the question of the grouping of

these epileptics. There is a class which can live at home. There is

another class, not definitely formidable, which does need custodial

care. Then there is the psychiatric epileptic who needs psychopathic

institutional care. In arriving at the disposition of these men you must

take into consideration those three groups.

Then there is another group, there is a mixed group of epileptics. In

many instances we have noted, after a long period of observation, that a

man may react to some situation, starting out in a hysterical seizure

and wind up in a definite epileptic attack. That has been true in quite

a number of cases and I should like to urge upon the Bureau District

officers and those concerned, this one thing:

In referring cases to East Norfolk, I think a very careful examination

should be made of these men to determine as nearly as possible that they

are epileptics.

At East Norfolk there is a situation existing which I have endeavored to

correct; that is hospitalizing psycho-neurotics,—neuropsychiatry cases

which are not definitely epileptic, which are made worse by contact with

the epileptic patient. These men are being made worse every day. Some of

them simulate very closely the epileptic; many have learned to bite

their tongues as the epileptic does. They should not be hospitalized;

about 25% of the cases are not epileptic. I think that should be taken

into consideration and a careful survey made of these patients before

they are transferred to East Norfolk.

As to these cases, very much the same program is carried out as Dr.

Kolb’s. Complete preliminary physical and neurological examinations are

made and patients are placed under observation of one man, who observes

them and makes notes from time to time. As for the treatment of these

men, there is little to be done in a way. I think it resolves itself

into occupation mostly. I think the occupational measure as applied to

the epileptic is the only solution. I think they should be kept busy

every moment, for many reasons. They are naturally fault finding and if

they have something to do it will lessen the time they have to think of

these things. It will promote interest in their surroundings. It will

lessen the liability of deterioration but as the thing now stands that

cannot be done, under the present method of hospitalization. The

solution covering that is, I believe, for the Government to formulate,

properly taking into consideration these districts, and build an

epileptic colony, under proper supervision, and I believe from an

economic standpoint, it could be made almost self-supporting.

In regard to the medical treatment, we have been instituting at East

Norfolk a very careful treatment,—careful observation—to determine the

real value of luminol in the treatment of epilepsy and we have found

that it has been beneficial in many ways; that it lessens the severity

of the shock, prolongs the intervals between shocks and in many

instances effects complete cessation; the patient becomes more alert,

more active, more interested in his surroundings. This treatment must be

continued day after day. If there is a cessation, or lack of it, or a

failure or inability on our part to obtain luminol, these men

immediately react to the lack of it. I should say we have had at least

four deaths at East Norfolk due absolutely to the lack of luminol.

DR. WILBUR: At Chicago we developed a diagnostic clinic at the Marine

Hospital and had two departments: in-patient and out-patient

departments. We had a capacity for in-patients of about 150. The

out-patient department was unlimited and developed to approximately 160

to 175 patients at one time. The in-patient department is divided into

five groups for the investigation of cases;

1. Cases which would be immediately transferred to some other hospital

as soon as arrangements could be made;

2. Certain disorders taken up under direction of an officer particularly

interested in such disorders and investigated as fully as possible;

3. Hyper-thyroidism, following operations, where the pulse is still

high. When such cases were sent to us, an attempt was made to stabilize

the patient and bring him down to a nearly normal basis so that he could

go out and take Federal Board training.

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